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Solid D
07-18-2006, 10:15 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA071906.05Q.sub_wine.620fc8.html

Web Posted: 07/18/2006 07:59 PM CDT
John Griffin
Express-News Dining Editor

The sign on the counter said questions should be about wine, not basketball. But, as you might expect, Gregg Popovich's fans were more interested in the lowdown on the Spurs' center position than in his opinions on fine Burgundy.

"Oh, yeah, I had at least five people ask about the center," he said after more than two hours of meeting people and signing autographs at Saglimbeni Fine Wines on Saturday afternoon.

Some folks brought basketballs, caps and other Spurs memorabilia with them, but the majority bought copies of a May 31 Wine Spectator profile of the coach, with proceeds going to benefit Youth Alternatives, a nonprofit agency that helps children in crisis.

A few waiting in the long line did have questions about his favorite wines.

The lengthy list runs from Cloudy Bay Sauvignon Blanc for those sweltering summer days when you just "don't feel like drinking a red" to German rieslings to any number of Italian reds, especially barolos. California chardonnays and cabernet sauvignons aren't at the top of his list, but there are exceptions, including the Rudd Bacigalupi Chardonnay and the Ridge Monte Bello.

He's spoken of his fondness for Sauternes in the past, but he's equally excited about aged Madeira, which made him forget all about vintage port. The fortified Portuguese wine makes "you feel like you're back on the ships" that used to transport it in the olden days, he said.

But you get the feel that pinot noir holds a special place for him.

"I've said it before, if I had one meal left, (the wine) would be Romanée-Conti," he said of the famous Burgundy. "It's the most elegant yet complicated wine there is."

It's also the most expensive Burgundy there is, which means most people not on an NBA coaching salary could end up in the poorhouse for buying too much of it.

That's one reason why the idea of From A to Z Wineworks in Dundee, Ore., was easy for Popovich to buy into. The négociants, who buy grapes rather than grow them, produce what they call "aristocratic wines at democratic prices." He has been a partner in the venture from the beginning, when 2,600 cases of pinot noir were bottled in 2002. This past year, production level hit 85,000 cases, and the lineup has grown to include chardonnay, pinot grigio, pinot blanc and claret, all in the $14-$18 range.

Bill Hatcher, who manages the Oregon operation, was also on hand to discuss the wines as they were being poured alongside Popovich. He brought along the first bottle of the coach's private label, the 2004 Rock & Hammer Pinot Noir.

Popovich supervised the blending himself and ordered 50 cases, most of which will go to friends, family and charity events.

"It's just flat-out fun," he said of his first effort at winemaking. "It has nothing to do with winning or losing. It's really kind of a kick."

To Popovich, "The best thing about wine is sharing it." Yet he admitted he hasn't been able to share that love with too many of his players.

His assistant coaches are another matter.

"Every assistant coach is spoiled to the nth degree," he said. "There's like this choo-choo train behind me" at restaurants whenever he orders a fine wine to go with dinner.

Sean Elliott is developing a good palate, he said, and "I've even got Avery (Johnson) interested."
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Mr.Bottomtooth
07-18-2006, 10:17 PM
Wasn't he on the cover of a wine magazine?

TDMVPDPOY
07-18-2006, 10:18 PM
wine is losin their value in the market due to over supply and not many clowns drink wine.

Solid D
07-18-2006, 10:22 PM
not many clowns drink wine.

That would be surprising, if true...which it isn't. That is, unless you literally mean "clowns".

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Solid D
07-18-2006, 10:23 PM
I am not really a wine drinker but it has been a standard at meals in Europe for centuries.

AlamoSpursFan
07-18-2006, 10:24 PM
No wonder he fucked up the center spot. He's a damn wino!

:lol

Every time I think of wine, I flash back to an old Johnny Carson skit he did when Orson Welles was a guest on The Tonight Show. Welles was doing commercials for some cheap ass wine company who's tagline was "We will sell no wine before its time". Carson had him do a spoof of one of his commercials and after Welles delivered the tag, they cut to Johnny dressed up as a wino in the gutter with a bottle of the wine and he belched, took a big swig from the bottle, and said "It's time!"

leemajors
07-18-2006, 10:45 PM
wine is losin their value in the market due to over supply and not many clowns drink wine.

good wine never loses its value. shit you drink out of a paper bag has no value. good pairings of wine and food can enhance any meal.

furry_spurry
07-18-2006, 10:47 PM
A few waiting in the long line did have questions about his favorite wines.

The lengthy list runs from Cloudy Bay Sauvignon Blanc for those sweltering summer days when you just "don't feel like drinking a red" ...

Nothing beats a nice Sauvignon Blanc from Marlborough. I think I'll have a glass right now.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
07-18-2006, 11:25 PM
wine is losin their value in the market due to over supply and not many clowns drink wine.

Pulease. Not many chumps drink wine, but a large percentage of the world does. Wine is a massive worldwide market.

The Cloudy Bay Sav Blanc mentioned in the article is a delicious NZ wine.

BTW, many a Frenchman would argue with me, but Australia produces THE BEST wine in the world, particularly full-bodied reds. You simply can't beat a bold shiraz from the Clare or Barossa valleys, or anything from south-western West Australia.

Mmmmm... time for a tipple? :drunk

SequNets
07-18-2006, 11:36 PM
Wine is stupid.

leemajors
07-18-2006, 11:39 PM
Pulease. Not many chumps drink wine, but a large percentage of the world does. Wine is a massive worldwide market.

The Cloudy Bay Sav Blanc mentioned in the article is a delicious NZ wine.

BTW, many a Frenchman would argue with me, but Australia produces THE BEST wine in the world, particularly full-bodied reds. You simply can't beat a bold shiraz from the Clare or Barossa valleys, or anything from south-western West Australia.

Mmmmm... time for a tipple? :drunk

i have seen a few shows on it, and the climate and soil do lend themselves well to producing good grapes. oregon is one of the newer US hotbeds for grape growing and wine production. its clime is one of the few places that lend themselves to growing a good pinot noir grape. i like shiraz, but prefer a pinot noir or cab myself.

50 cent
07-18-2006, 11:45 PM
I love wine.

:tu :tu :tu

RuffnReadyOzStyle
07-18-2006, 11:47 PM
SequNets, you r stoopid! ;)

Lee, there is a lot of Aussie wine in the US, but most of it is from the lower end of the market, or was until recently.

I have heard that a lot more good Aussie wine is now going to export markets as supply has increased massively in the last decade to the point where 120,000t of grapes will rot on the vine this year because there isn't the storage cpacity to make and store the wine from them ( :( what a waste).

strangeweather
07-18-2006, 11:59 PM
BTW, many a Frenchman would argue with me, but Australia produces THE BEST wine in the world, particularly full-bodied reds. You simply can't beat a bold shiraz from the Clare or Barossa valleys, or anything from south-western West Australia.
Australia produces some tremendous, bold red wines, but I hope you won't be offended if I tell you that I tend to prefer reds with a little more subtlety such as good Pinot Noirs or old vine Zinfindels.

boutons_
07-19-2006, 12:08 AM
RROS, something OZ just for you:

The Wallaby That Roared Across the Wine Industry

By FRANK J. PRIAL (NYT) 2113 words
Published: April 23, 2006

CORRECTION APPENDED

WILLIAM J. DEUTSCH was apprehensive when he first agreed to import an unknown Australian wine called Yellow Tail into the United States in 2001. Its handsome black-and-yellow label featured what looked like a kangaroo, and he felt that animals had no place on wine labels. But he liked the wine. ''So,'' he said recently, ''I agreed to take 25,000 cases.''

His son Peter disagreed about the animal, which actually was a rock wallaby. ''That label is fabulous,'' he told his dad.

''O.K.,'' said the elder Mr. Deutsch. ''60,000 cases.'' Their wine-and-spirits importing company, William J. Deutsch & Sons, paid about $2 million for that first shipment; it arrived in June 2001. By the end of that year, 225,000 cases of Yellow Tail had been sold to retailers. In 2002, 1.2 million cases were sold. The figure climbed to 4.2 million in 2003 -- including a million in October alone -- and to 6.5 million in 2004. And, last year, sales surpassed 7.5 million -- all for a wine that no one had heard of just five years earlier.

John Casella, whose winery in southeastern Australia produces Yellow Tail, is predicting sales of 8 million or 8.5 million cases in the United States this year, and he says that sales in Europe, Canada and Asia -- which started only recently -- could add 3.5 million to the total.

Nothing like this has ever happened before in the American wine business. The breakneck success of Yellow Tail has lifted the Deutsches, or, more precisely, their business, into the top ranks of the American wine trade. (The elder Mr. Deutsch is chairman of the company, and Peter is the president.) In addition, the Deutsches stand to profit handsomely from the wine's success. As part of their arrangement with the Casellas, they own 50 percent of the Yellow Tail brand.

At the same time, the brand has transformed Mr. Casella's company, Casella Wines Ltd., from a modest enterprise into a major wine producer with a huge, Gallo-like winery. What had been a modest farmhouse has, in a brief time, become an immense wine-making complex with some 600 wine holding tanks, 48 of which hold a million liters each.

The Yellow Tail phenomenon took everyone in the wine business by surprise. In retrospect, however, it was probably inevitable. Interest in wine had been growing steadily in the United States for two decades, but the domestic industry had never had much success in meeting the need for a good, inexpensive wine to attract all these newcomers. ''There were good wines at $15 and up, but nothing between those wines and the jug wines at the bottom of the scale,'' said Rich Cartiere, editor of The Wine Market Report. ''Yellow Tail, at $6, was and remains better than most American wines at $8.99 and $10.99.

''When I think of Australian wines, I think of a big, juicy, red apple,'' he added, ''and that's what the American wine consumer looks for, too, even if he can't say why. Couple that with a label that's friendly -- not a joke, like so many now -- and excellent distribution, and you have an unbeatable package.''

THE Yellow Tail story began in the late 1990's. Casella Wines, in the Riverina district of New South Wales, west of Sydney, was seeking to expand. It had been started in 1969 by Filippo Casella, a Sicilian immigrant who arrived in Australia in the 1950's -- after seven years as a war prisoner in Italy during World War II -- and worked as an itinerant farmhand until he could afford to buy some vineyard land of his own. In 1994, his oldest son, John, joined the business and began to look for new markets, particularly in the United States. He enlisted the Australian Trade Commission to help him find an American distributor.

About the same time, 12,000 miles away in White Plains, Bill Deutsch was looking to expand his portfolio. He marketed a variety of products, but his most important client was Georges Duboeuf, a prominent producer of Beaujolais. After having considerable success in the United States during the 1980's and early 1990's, Beaujolais had fallen into a slump, partly because the ''nouveau'' phenomenon -- selling the new vintage in November, a few months after the harvest -- had grown stale and partly because of the burgeoning American disenchantment with French wines in general.

Meeting for the first time at a trade show in San Francisco in 1997, Mr. Deutsch and Mr. Casella agreed to team up. ''It was a perfect match,'' Mr. Deutsch said. ''Two smallish, family-owned businesses looking for new business.'' They agreed that in exchange for half-ownership of the label, the Deutsch company would market a line of Casella wines in the United States.

That line, introduced in 1999, was called Carramar Estate, and it was a flop, in part because it could not compete with established brands in the same price category. ''John was distraught,'' Bill Deutsch said recently. ''He said he felt he had let me down. He said he would buy back the wine and that he was ready to dissolve the partnership. I told him to forget it. It was only 30,000 cases and there were other things we could do.

''He said: 'Good. I know I can make better wine.' ''

Back in Australia, Mr. Casella and his marketing director, John Soutter, came up with a new wine and a new package. They had found a graphic artist in Adelaide, Barbara Harkness, who offered them a design of a black and yellow rendering of a yellow-tailed marsupial styled to emulate Australian aboriginal art; the image was seen as friendly and typically Australian. The Casella company paid her $4,800 for the design and a marketing program based on it.

Sometime late in 2000, Mr. Soutter came to the United States with the new Yellow Tail wine -- a chardonnay and a shiraz.

Though William and Peter Deutsch, the importers, would initially disagree about the packaging, they always agreed about the wine. ''It was -- it still is -- delicious,'' the elder Mr. Deutsch said. ''It's an easygoing wine, uncomplicated, fun to drink. In fact, it's better tasting and a better value than the price would indicate. I have to say it: with this one, the Casellas overachieved.''

Jon Fredrikson, a California wine industry consultant, calls it ''the perfect wine for a public grown up on soft drinks.'' Yellow Tail, Mr. Fredrikson said, is ''round, fruity and user-friendly, and it's immediately drinkable.'' Even more important, he said, is the consistency of the wine's high quality. ''With a lot of wines,'' he said, ''the first batch is great and the second and third are disappointing. Yellow Tail has been consistently good since the first shipment arrived five years ago.''

American wine writers -- including the dean of wine critics, Robert M. Parker Jr. -- have been consistently enthusiastic about Yellow Tail. ''In some wine circles, it is fashionable to criticize wine of this genre,'' Mr. Parker wrote, ''but if the truth be known, these are surprisingly well-made offerings.''

Yellow Tail is an uncomplicated wine meant for undemanding wine drinkers. But Mr. Casella says that in tastings, experts often identify it as a $60 or $70 bottle. ''We've found that some knowledgeable people prefer it to more expensive wines,'' he said in a telephone interview.

Building on the original two wines, chardonnay and shiraz (or syrah, another name for the same red-wine grape), the Casellas have expanded the line to include merlot, cabernet sauvignon, pinot grigio, riesling and three blends: shiraz-cabernet, cabernet-merlot and shiraz-grenache. In 2003, the Casellas introduced a reserve line of Yellow Tail, which includes merlot, cabernet, chardonnay and pinot grigio. The reserve wines, which sell for $2 or $3 more per bottle, undergo a longer fermentation than the regular wines and are aged in oak barrels.

The wines are all bottled in Bordeaux-style bottles, in both the standard 75-centiliter and 1.5-liter sizes. The Casellas buy about 80 percent of their grapes from other growers.

Yellow Tail was introduced in a number of United States markets with almost less fanfare than had accompanied the ill-fated Carramar Estate line. ''We had some point-of-purchase materials,'' Mr. Deutsch said, referring to displays in stores, ''but that was it.''

No longer. The Deutsches have scheduled some $24 million for promotions this year, up from $4 million in 2005. Billboards featuring yellow tails on a bird, an airplane and a mermaid, as well as a yellow ponytail on a pretty girl, have become familiar sights in some cities.

Perhaps more important, Mr. Cartiere and others in the industry say, the Deutsches provided Yellow Tail with almost instant access to the American market, using the distribution network they had built over two decades for Duboeuf wines.

The increasingly familiar Yellow Tail label is loosely meant to depict the brand's namesake, a yellow-footed rock wallaby, a smaller cousin to the kangaroo. The bottle labels and in-store advertisements always put the brand name in lower case and within brackets: [yellow tail].

As for those brackets, the story is that the Casellas were looking up ''kangaroo'' in a textbook when they came upon a technical description of a wallaby. In the margin, alongside the Latin derivation of the name, was the Australian version, in brackets: [yellow tail]. They decided to keep the brackets ''to set the wine apart'' and to retain the lower-case lettering ''to underscore the wine's lack of pretension,'' John Casella said.

Yellow Tail's success is a hot topic in the wine trade, but so is its future. The history of popular wines is replete with labels that were once wildly popular but no longer are. Blue Nun, Reunite, Lancers and various brands of cold duck are sobering examples. Charles Shaw wines -- better known as Two-Buck Chuck -- were a sensation a couple of seasons back, and while ''Chuck'' still sells well, it is no longer the marketing marvel it briefly was.

Two-Buck Chuck, which was created as a way to drain off some of California's last wine surplus, is carried only by stores in the Trader Joe chain. It sells for about $2 in California and $3 elsewhere. Yellow Tail sells for $5 to $7. An attempt to move up the price of Yellow Tail by a dollar in some markets was unsuccessful, Mr. Cartiere said.

FOR the fiscal year ended last June 30, Casella Wines reported an after-tax profit of $77 million on revenue of $255 million, up from $61 million on $230 million in revenue in fiscal 2004. The profit was based almost entirely on sales of Yellow Tail in the United States, the company said.

The wine is now sold in Europe and Canada, and throughout Southeast Asia. Less than 2 percent of production is sold in Australia.

Mr. Casella acknowledged that Yellow Tail's recent growth was unsustainable, and Mr. Cartiere agreed. ''It will plateau out, maybe in 2006,'' he said, adding that competition would stiffen when American winemakers moved successfully into Yellow Tail's price category. ''The question is when.''

Yellow Tail's impact has not gone unnoticed among bankers. A report issued earlier this month by Silicon Valley Bank, a major wine-industry lender based in Santa Clara, Calif., blames the United States wine industry for allowing wines like Yellow Tail to grab so much of the market. What's more, it questions the very future of vast portions of California's Central Valley, the source of most of the inexpensive domestic wine sold in jugs and boxes, the wine meant to compete with Yellow Tail and brands like it. Criticizing the region's production and marketing methods as obsolete, the report notes that imports have doubled, to 27 percent of the United States market recently from 13.2 percent in 1990.

''Are American vintners starting to look like Detroit in the 70's, when gas prices soared and automakers kept putting out big gas guzzlers?,'' the report asked. Mentioning the success of Yellow Tail along with that of Italian pinot grigio, the report warns that ''the U.S. will no longer be able to ignore the depth of the world glut (which keeps import prices low), or the high cost of American production for lower price-point wines.''

Mr. Fredrikson, the wine consultant, predicted that Yellow Tail could enjoy a relatively long run so long as it remained consistent in price and quality. ''Yellow Tail caught the wave,'' he said. ''It's perfect for the newest generation of wine drinkers and potential wine drinkers.'' Furthermore, ''the label is subtle,'' he said. ''My daughter pointed it out to me. With the brackets and lower case, it looks just like e-mail.''

This kind of techno touch, he said, will resonate, probably unconsciously, with new, young wine buyers. ''It's the biggest achievement in the history of wine,'' he said.

ChumpDumper
07-19-2006, 03:06 AM
The wine market is hilarious.

There is an overabundance of wine grapes, so that drives the price of wines down.

Once a wine gets cheap, however, no one wants to buy it because they assume it's shit.

jman3000
07-19-2006, 03:18 AM
Franzia comes in a box ...

box > bottle

bottles are just a whole bunch of stupid if you ask me.

angel_luv
07-19-2006, 07:02 AM
I didn't know Pop was doing an autograph session. I have always wanted to officially meet him.

Once at an open practice a few years back, I was actually in line to meet Pop. I was almost to the front when I left to go talk to Sho. I am glad I did too- especially now that Sho has been traded.

Still, Pop seems like a very kind and fascinating person and hopefully I will meet him before too long.

doldrums
07-19-2006, 07:29 AM
Wine is stupid.


your IQ goes lower and lower with each post.

Samr
07-19-2006, 07:34 AM
I am not really a wine drinker but it has been a standard at meals in Europe for centuries.

I was in Europe for two weeks, and the second most notable cultural difference (smoking was the first: HOLY SHIT! It was...excessive, to say the least) was the ammount and timing of wine they consumed. Instead of a glass with dinner, it was a bottle as an aperitif. Then you'd have a few glasses with your meal-- each one matched to each course. And they start their kids drinking wine at a young, young age. It was rediculous.

Though I do think the 2004 Rock & Hammer Pinot Noir would be a good promotional giveaway at the AT&T Center.

RC's Boss
07-19-2006, 07:42 AM
I'm telling you, Pop only shows off the wines for the cameras! At home dude is on the Schlitz! Look at that beer gut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :drunk

austinfan
07-19-2006, 09:36 AM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA071906.05Q.sub_wine.620fc8.html
Bill Hatcher, who manages the Oregon operation, was also on hand to discuss the wines as they were being poured alongside Popovich. He brought along the first bottle of the coach's private label, the 2004 Rock & Hammer Pinot Noir.

Popovich supervised the blending himself and ordered 50 cases, most of which will go to friends, family and charity events.

I like the pounding the rock reference here. Pop is all class--he's one of the main reasons I follow the Spurs. (Yes, I do have a tiny crush on him. :))

leemajors
07-19-2006, 10:16 AM
The wine market is hilarious.

There is an overabundance of wine grapes, so that drives the price of wines down.

Once a wine gets cheap, however, no one wants to buy it because they assume it's shit.

better for me though, i can scoop up good stuff on the cheap.

50 cent
07-19-2006, 10:20 AM
Two-Buck Chuck is good stuff. I bring back 10-15 bottles everytime I go to California for work which is pretty damn often.