rj WAS RIGHT

[clubalien]

with the signings of both centers and with oberto , horry, bonner, timmy on the team there wouldn't have been a slot for Javtokas to play. The spurs would have wanted to string him along and in the end he would have lost other contract opportunities. In the end RJ got a deal and was able to leverage the spurs wanting him hopefully for more money.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Spurs wouldn't have even offered both Elson and Butler if it weren't for Javtokas and his agent pricing himself out of the market, so your post isn't even relevant.

[Mr. Body]

Don't believe this hooey about 'Javtokas and his agent pricing themselves out of the market'. That's BS. They likely would have accepted something in the $2M range.

Some of us believe the choice was either Butler or Javtokas. They wanted an experienced starter - Elson - and someone with upside. They went for the younger guy with NBA experience, knowing that next year they could still bring Javtokas. We figure the plan had been to offer Javtokas the money if Butler was matched, but they weren't aware of the deadline, so it didn't work out. Luckily it didn't have to.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Don't believe this hooey about 'Javtokas and his agent pricing themselves out of the market'. That's BS. They likely would have accepted something in the $2M range.

Some of us believe the choice was either Butler or Javtokas. They wanted an experienced starter - Elson - and someone with upside. They went for the younger guy with NBA experience, knowing that next year they could still bring Javtokas. We figure the plan had been to offer Javtokas the money if Butler was matched, but they weren't aware of the deadline, so it didn't work out. Luckily it didn't have to.

Right, we're all supposed to believe that the Spurs were only offering the guy the minimum.

Fuck dude, get over it.

[Mr. Body]

Right, we're all supposed to believe that the Spurs were only offering the guy the minimum.

Fuck dude, get over it.

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You have never been right about this topic. For you, they either offered him the minimum or he expected the MLE. I don't know if you're a complete moron or you're just very wrong about this issue, but you have absolutely no credibility on the Javtokas situation.

[Mavs_man_41]

Whats the big deal about javtokas, hes way overrated. You guys will be alot better off with Elson and Butler.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You have never been right about this topic. For you, they either offered him the minimum or he expected the MLE. I don't know if you're a complete moron or you're just very wrong about this issue, but you have absolutely no credibility on the Javtokas situation.

And you do? I don't even think RJ's girlfriend sucks his dick as much as you.

To you, he was worth more than the LLE, which the Spurs (who have probably seen him play about a thousand more times than you) didn't. Deal with it and get over it. All I know is for similar money compared to what he'll be playing for in Europe this year, he coulda been Spur.

That shows me there's nothing smart about he or his agent. Who am I kidding though? You know more than everyone here.

Hey, his girlfriend called, she said when you're done make sure you swallow.

[Russ]

Don't believe this hooey about 'Javtokas and his agent pricing themselves out of the market'. That's BS. They likely would have accepted something in the $2M range.
The Spurs have a history of trying to make players they reject look greedy -- like it was the unreasonable player that caused the parting of ways.

It's pure PR.

Just ask Vinny Del Negro.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Spurs have a history of trying to make players they reject look greedy -- like it was the unreasonable player that caused the parting of ways.

It's pure PR.

Just ask Vinny Del Negro.

I didn't see anywhere the Spurs made Javtokas out to be greedy. And last I checked, they still wanted him.

I swear all summer long we're going to be stuck with Mr. Body crying about us not giving Javtokas the max.

The Spurs obviously felt his skill set was comparable to Butler and Elson, or else they would have spent the money to get him over here. And both Javtokas and his personal PR rep Mr. Body need to get the fuck over it.

[exstatic]

I don't know. It's neck and neck. awmyplace or clubalien? They're both pretty moronic. Maybe I should start a vBookie.

[Russ]

I didn't see anywhere the Spurs made Javtokas out to be greedy. And last I checked, they still wanted him.
Just not on their roster. :)

[FromWayDowntown]

The Spurs have a history of trying to make players they reject look greedy -- like it was the unreasonable player that caused the parting of ways.

It's pure PR.

Just ask Vinny Del Negro.

Boy, and their unwillingness to open up the coffers to meet Del Negro's meager contractual wishes turned out just horrendously.

I mean, they had to settle for Mario Elie in free agency and subsequently we all had to lament those golden days of Vinny raining it down from the 2 spot.

Unless Mr. Body is inside of Javtokas's camp, I have no idea how there can be any certainty about what the Spurs offered. I think we're all just guessing based on the circumstantial evidence that exists. I would imagine, however, that if the Spurs thought Javtokas was a make-or-break player, he would have been given an offer that such talent warranted. I have no idea how anyone can be convinced that Javtokas will be a sure-fire contributor on an NBA roster at some point. He might be; but he also might be the poor man's version of Chris Andersen or something along those lines. Regardless, it's a moot point.

[Burly_Man]

Regardless of how much they offered Javtokas, from the offers that went out to Butler and Elson, it was obvious he was their third choice. They bacically asked him to wait, let's see what happens with these other 2 guys before we start seriously talking to you.

Lost in the shuffle is what Javtokas didn't do. He could have signed for more money for a longer term deal, he didn't. His deal is a 1+1. He still has his eye on the NBA. Let's see what he does in Greece, and in Euroleague.

He could have come to the Spurs, received the minimum and taken Sean Marks' spot on the roster, or he could play in Europe for another season, make 1.3 Million Euros, after taxes and try again next year.

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

I don't know. It's neck and neck. awmyplace or clubalien? They're both pretty moronic. Maybe I should start a vBookie.

Don't forget about NorCal510.
He and awmyplace would leave clubalien in the dust.

[velik_m]

we don't know how much was offered, BUT his agent said it was half of what Pao gave (which would be about 1M - nowhere near LLE). It is the only source. reporters should just ask spurs FO if it's true.