Eric Williams

[Solid D]

http://www.nba.com/media/raptors/ewilliams_140_041220.jpg

Still no word from him nor from the Spurs introducing him to San Antonio. Perhaps he was told not to get too comfy for the next two months (?).

Note:
The Spurs.com player link is to the "other" Eric Williams, however I found this correct link and playerfile for your perusal.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/eric_williams/bio.html

[NorCal510]

old ass mafucka

[Solid D]

http://www.nba.com/media/raptors/ewill_ATL_blk_childress.jpg

Cat can still get up Yadadamean?

[NorCal510]

Cat can still get up Yadadamean?
nah mah ninja dat was luck

[ace3g]

he can still play defense. I watched the Kobe 81 point game vs toronto, and Eric Williams forced a couple of offensive fouls by moving his feet quickly to get into position. We will just have to wait and see what the FO has in store for Williams,

I wouldnt mind doing a sign and trade with Charlotte for Jumaine Jones(someone else also suggested this in another thread), he is a good defensive/rebounding SF who can shoot the 3

[spurster]

He had decent stats in New Jersey. Maybe he can do something besides keeping the bench warm.

[dimsah]

That ACL tear in 97-98 destoyed most of his potential.
Averaged 10 and 3 as a rookie. 15 and 5 second year.
Started strong in 97-98 averaging 20 and 5 during the 4 games he played,
but since then his best season average for points has been 10 and 4.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

nah mah ninja dat was luck

Dude, you're white.

[Solid D]

Eric Williams carries a salary with him of $4.3M. That is ripe for coupling with another player for trade purposes.

[ducks]

4.3 plus barry's contract is close to murphy's

[Please_dont_ban_me]

There has to be somebody on the NY roster we can pry away for Erik Williams contract.

I'm sure they can use the cap relief.

[ducks]

knicks and cap relief?

their is no cap relief in sight unless they start buying out players

[ducks]

what player on the knicks would you want
rose makes to much like most of their players

they are not going to give you frye or nate robinson for cap relief

[Please_dont_ban_me]

knicks and cap relief?

their is no cap relief in sight unless they start buying out players

Um...

If having a guy in his last year, can't be used as bait to get a player from another team with a guy they want to unload...what exactly is the value of getting a guy like Erik Williams?

[Please_dont_ban_me]

what player on the knicks would you want
rose makes to much like most of their players

they are not going to give you frye or nate robinson for cap relief

Just used the Knicks as an example.

I'd have to look at there roster and the salary's to find one...but the Knicks have some talent.

[ducks]

eric williams has trade value
you would have to get a third team involved though
knicks do not have a 4.3 guy that the spurs want

[Louis]

http://www.nba.com/media/raptors/ewilliams_140_041220.jpg

Still no word from him nor from the Spurs introducing him to San Antonio. Perhaps he was told not to get too comfy for the next two months (?).

Note:
The Spurs.com player link is to the "other" Eric Williams, however I found this correct link and playerfile for your perusal.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/eric_williams/bio.html


Born in 1972?

Damn that guy is DINOSUAR!!

[dbestpro]

Born in 1972?

Damn that guy is DINOSUAR!!

Bowen and Barry are born in 71 and Horry in 70.

I guess that makes them precambrian.

[LakerHater]

I wonder why they haven't moved this guy yet!

[Bruno]

I wonder why they haven't moved this guy yet!

They can't package him with another player until August 21st.
And they still had to find a deal that they like.

[T Park]

The guy has something to prove in a contract year.

You want to trade that?

[Bruno]

The guy has something to prove in a contract year.

You want to trade that?

He will be 35 next summer.
When you're that old and no that good, you have no chance to get a big contract : the contract year effect isn't a big factor.

[Nbadan]

Eric Williams needs to have more than one good year to get paid. I kinda doubt he'll remain a Spur, maybe the Spurs will simply release him?

[exstatic]

The guy has something to prove in a contract year.

You want to trade that?
YES. He's not going to prove ANYTHING being buried as #5 in the swing rotation behind BB, Manu, Barry, and Finley.

I still think ATL can be plucked. They have TONS of guys that fit the same bill: swingman between 6-7 and 6-9, weight between 210 and 230:
Marvin Williams 6'9" 230
Josh Smith 6'9" 225
Josh Childress 6'8" 210
Joe Johnson 6'7" 230

[navarat]

barry and williams for Jumaine Jones, yes just do it.

[Big P]

So you want to pay Jumaine Jones $8+ mil a year?

[exstatic]

Eric Williams needs to have more than one good year to get paid. I kinda doubt he'll remain a Spur, maybe the Spurs will simply release him?
I doubt it would be a simple release. If they can't find a taker, they would probably negotiate a buyout, usually 50% of the value of the contract.

[T Park]

YES. He's not going to prove ANYTHING being buried as #5 in the swing rotation behind BB, Manu, Barry, and Finley

:lol

Williams will pass up Barry just based on he can play defense, and Barry will be his same timid pussy ass self.

[exstatic]

:lol

Williams will pass up Barry just based on he can play defense, and Barry will be his same timid pussy ass self.
Barry is the only one of that group besides Manu that can really handle and pass the ball. Next.

[Solid D]

I was reading somewhere, I think 82games.com, where Barry was part of one of the more productive 5-man units for the Spurs last year. I'll try to look it up.

[Solid D]

If you compare the Top 10 combinations in the +/- category, (see bold +/- numbers) Barry was in the 3rd best group plus a couple of others.
http://www.82games.com/0506/0506SAS2.HTM

Top Five-Man Floor Units
# ..Unit............................................ .......Min Off...Def... +/- ...W.... L.. Win%
1 Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Duncan-Nesterovic 355 724 623 +101 22 19 53.6
2 Parker-Finley-Bowen-Duncan-Nesterovic 329 599 573 +26 21 17 55.2
3 Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Duncan-Mohammed 314 678 573 +105 29 13 69.0
4 Parker-Finley-Bowen-Duncan-Mohammed 134 249 251 -2 16 18 47.0
5 Parker-Finley-Bowen-Horry-Duncan 104 231 193 +38 20 6 76.9
6 Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Horry-Duncan 96 220 188 +32 16 13 55.1
7 Parker-Barry-Bowen-Duncan-Mohammed 94 183 176 +7 15 10 60.0
8 Parker-Barry-Bowen-Duncan-Nesterovic 85 154 135 +19 12 11 52.1
9 Parker-Ginobili-Finley-Bowen-Duncan 47 126 105 +21 9 8 52.9
10 Parker-Barry-Finley-Bowen-Duncan 44 123 82 +41 12 5 70.5
11 Van Exel-Barry-Finley-Horry-Duncan 40 61 66 -5 6 6 50.0
12 Parker-Van Exel-Bowen-Duncan-Nesterovic 40 85 64 +21 6 3 66.6
13 Parker-Finley-Bowen-Horry-Nesterovic 39 65 90 -25 4 9 30.7
14 Parker-Barry-Bowen-Horry-Mohammed 38 86 65 +21 9 4 69.2
15 Parker-Finley-Bowen-Horry-Mohammed 38 81 72 +9 10 6 62.5
16 Van Exel-Finley-Bowen-Horry-Duncan 37 60 70 -10 5 7 41.6
17 Parker-Barry-Bowen-Horry-Duncan 34 55 74 -19 5 10 33.3
18 Parker-Ginobili-Finley-Horry-Duncan 31 75 66 +9 10 5 66.6
19 Parker-Barry-Finley-Horry-Duncan 30 77 49 +28 8 4 66.6
20 Van Exel-Finley-Bowen-Duncan-Nesterovic 30 57 45 +12 8 6 57.1

[Phenomanul]

Compare #14 and #17 :wow :wow

[LakerHater]

They can't package him with another player until August 21st.
And they still had to find a deal that they like. why not ?

[exstatic]

why not ?
It's a rule designed to not have players traded like 8 times in one offseason. If you are traded, you can't be packaged with other players for 60 days. They can send him out by himself if they find someone that fills a need and has a salary match. That's not terribly likely.

[LakerHater]

well they just traded J.R Smith twice in 6 days!!???

[exstatic]

well they just traded J.R Smith twice in 6 days!!???
Chicago sent him to Denver, alone. Did you read my post? You can do that, but it's less likely to find a need/salary match, and it's almost impossible to get into one of those multi-team megatrades.

[LakerHater]

Which goes back to my previous post! I wonder why they haven't moved him yet!!!

[exstatic]

They obviously haven't found a player that they want with a salary that matches.

[Slinkyman]

60 days almost up, anyone think the spurs have a deal in place or do you think they'll hold on to Williams for now?

[rayray2k8]

when is it up?

[infinite styles]

Is it officially up on Sunday?

[Leetonidas]

Is it officially up on Sunday?

Monday

[bigdog]

well they gave him a jersey number,so it looks like they might keep him. on spurs.com they changed his number to 17 to 55.

[Slinkyman]

well they gave him a jersey number,so it looks like they might keep him. on spurs.com they changed his number to 17 to 55.

17 is barry's number, they had williams with 17? Kinda funny considering they're the 2 players most likely to get traded.

[T Park]

I wish Barry would switch to 31.

Had alot more success with that number.

[AFBlue]

YES. He's not going to prove ANYTHING being buried as #5 in the swing rotation behind BB, Manu, Barry, and Finley.

I still think ATL can be plucked. They have TONS of guys that fit the same bill: swingman between 6-7 and 6-9, weight between 210 and 230:
Marvin Williams 6'9" 230
Josh Smith 6'9" 225
Josh Childress 6'8" 210
Joe Johnson 6'7" 230

Yeah the Hawks have a ton of players, but all of them were productive last year (except Williams who looked great in Summer League). Smith is a highlight reel player w/ a developing all-around game and JJ is the face of their franchise at $15 mil a season.

The only one remotely attainable is Josh Childress, but the Hawks love him for his scrappy work ethic and scoring ability (despite the odd release). And he still only makes $2 mil a year, so there's no salary match.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have one of them(Smith most of all), but I think the Hawks consider all of those players as key elements to their future.

[Solid D]

well they gave him a jersey number,so it looks like they might keep him. on spurs.com they changed his number from 17 to 55.

Corrected

[ChumpDumper]

I still think ATL can be plucked. They have TONS of guys that fit the same bill: swingman between 6-7 and 6-9, weight between 210 and 230:That's by design. They all got plenty of burn last year even with Harrington's playing 37 mpg, so I don't see any reason for any of them to be dumped with Al out of the picture.

MPG last season:

Marvin Williams -- 24.7
Josh Smith -- 32.0
Josh Childress -- 30.4
Joe Johnson -- 40.7

[exstatic]

That's by design. They all got plenty of burn last year even with Harrington's playing 37 mpg, so I don't see any reason for any of them to be dumped with Al out of the picture.

MPG last season:

Marvin Williams -- 24.7
Josh Smith -- 32.0
Josh Childress -- 30.4
Joe Johnson -- 40.7
At some point, at least one of those will be moved, either let go thru FA or traded. Every young player wants to get PAID. ATL will not pay all 4 of them. Don't forget that JJ played heavy minutes at PG last year. The drop off available minutes there, with Speedy on board and starting, will almost offset the new minutes available from Harrington's departure.

Also, don't forget that this current owner who wrested control this summer from the coup group of last year did NOT want to pay JJ. That was the point of combustibility that set off the coup last year, as a matter of fact.

[Marcus Bryant]

By October Eric Williams will be a lock for DPOY runner-up in here.

[mavs>spurs2]

That's by design. They all got plenty of burn last year even with Harrington's playing 37 mpg, so I don't see any reason for any of them to be dumped with Al out of the picture.

MPG last season:

Marvin Williams -- 24.7
Josh Smith -- 32.0
Josh Childress -- 30.4
Joe Johnson -- 40.7

Yes and it didn't get them very far. I don't think its unreasonable to say the spurs could get Childress for the right price. Although i'm sure Joe Johnson and Josh Smith would probably be out of their range.

[ChumpDumper]

At some point, at least one of those will be moved, either let go thru FA or traded. Every young player wants to get PAID. ATL will not pay all 4 of them.Let's not act like all four are max players. Anyway they have two more years until they have to start worrying about any of that. Their main problem for the next two summers will be meeting the league minimum payroll. They certainly won't be trading a young star for cap relief.
Don't forget that JJ played heavy minutes at PG last year. The drop off available minutes there, with Speedy on board and starting, will almost offset the new minutes available from Harrington's departure.Speedy will play 30 mpg if he's extremely lucky. More than likely he'll miss his usual 20-30 games. Plenty of time for everyone else.
Also, don't forget that this current owner who wrested control this summer from the coup group of last year did NOT want to pay JJ. That was the point of combustibility that set off the coup last year, as a matter of fact.Untrue. He was all for paying JJ -- he didn't want to trade Diaw and two first rounders when he thought they didn't have to.

[ChumpDumper]

And the Hawk whose minutes are going to take the biggest hit is....


....Salim Stoudamire.