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Jekka
07-25-2006, 01:28 PM
How exactly should a person approach his/her boss about a catty coworker situation? I have tried my best to get along with this woman, but she’s been stirring up drama the last few weeks to what has reached a dizzying level this morning. There is a meeting scheduled with my boss on Thursday involving all of the interns (even those of us who are not instigators), but I want to know what I can say to separate myself from the drama without looking like a suck-up. I do not want the drama that has occurred to reflect poorly in my future job recommendations, especially when the work I have been turning in is of good quality.

I woke up to middle school in my inbox this morning, it’s ridiculous.

CharlieMac
07-25-2006, 01:32 PM
I don't know the solution, but this definitely reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Elaine is complaining about Molly Shannon and everyone just says, "Meow. Catfight."

You gotta save those emails though. Employees with a lot to lose will easily learn to work together to pin something on the interns. That would be my biggest fear.

Jekka
07-25-2006, 01:54 PM
I don't know the solution, but this definitely reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Elaine is complaining about Molly Shannon and everyone just says, "Meow. Catfight."

You gotta save those emails though. Employees with a lot to lose will easily learn to work together to pin something on the interns. That would be my biggest fear.
It's a fellow intern that's creating most of the drama, which is one reason I fear that it will reflect poorly on all of us. I'm so sick of all of this - we've covered for this woman's mistakes before, we've tried to educate her on doing the job properly ... and nothing gets through. I split a load of work with her last night that she should have been able to do alone because I didn't trust her to finish it (I'm sick with a sore jaw and the work entailed over 200 phone calls - I finished off the last of my prescription ibuprofen), and lo and behold I end up working on it until 1am because she "made the edits" but never sent them to me, even after repeated requests for them, and they were due at 7am.

My employer thinks we should be civil (which I agree with, and most of us are and have made a marked attempt to be so) but appears to be under the impression that we aren't, which is why we're all getting called in for what seems to amount to a lecture. I need to be able to distance myself from this without looking "uncivil" by pointing fingers.

boutons_
07-25-2006, 01:56 PM
Chris Rock: "Why don't women rule the world? Women hate women" :lol

easjer
07-25-2006, 01:59 PM
I don't know that there is a good way for you to do that without looking like a suck up. Just in the future, keep very details records of your transactions with her. If you need something, ask her via email and BCC your boss with everything. Be very polite at all times. Do not put anything in writing you don't want coming back on you.

If it continues or the boss starts getting very upset, ask if you can be transferred or removed from the situation, because you are afraid that this will affect your work.

Jekka
07-25-2006, 01:59 PM
Chris Rock: "Why don't women rule the world? Women hate women" :lol

:lol Sadly true.

I don't think this is a woman thing, though. It's a rude, vindictive, petty thing. I'm pretty sure any man in my situation would be pissed off as well.

Jekka
07-25-2006, 02:02 PM
I don't know that there is a good way for you to do that without looking like a suck up. Just in the future, keep very details records of your transactions with her. If you need something, ask her via email and BCC your boss with everything. Be very polite at all times. Do not put anything in writing you don't want coming back on you.

If it continues or the boss starts getting very upset, ask if you can be transferred or removed from the situation, because you are afraid that this will affect your work.

One of the problems is that there's not a whole lot of time to "make up" for this with a transfer, etc, as the job ends on August 11th, so if I can't manage to patch things up before then I'm kind of screwed.

Dammit.

SpursWoman
07-25-2006, 02:03 PM
I don't think this is a woman thing, though. It's a rude, vindictive, petty thing. I'm pretty sure any man in my situation would be pissed off as well.

Yeah ... I don't think women own the market on being pissed off that someone else isn't pulling their weight. Just ask mccornelio. :lol

1Parker1
07-25-2006, 02:05 PM
Personally what I would do?? Next time she's sending you these emails, or the next time you are emailing her, CC your boss's email onto all of it. This way, he'll be in the loop on what's going on and seeing his name copied on emails may scare her into actually doing her work.

If that doesn't work, I'd try to sit down with mentor/supervisor at work first. I'm sure as an intern, usually you get someone within the company who's supposed to guide you, etc. If your boss also happens to be your mentor in this case, then just bring it up to his attention that there is a slight situation with a fellow intern who is not doing her work accurately and timely which in turn is affecting your quality of work. You could also try confronting the girl yourself (calmly and tactically of course) and tell her that she needs to start getting on top of things and that you can't keep helping her out with her workload while keeping up with hers.

easjer
07-25-2006, 02:06 PM
Oh that really sucks.

Ok, maybe it's worth looking like a suck up to approach your boss and say that you've done your best to work with her, citing your work of the other evening, but that because of recent events, you are concerned that the events will reflect poorly on your work. That because you have always been painstaking with your work and have made an effort to distance yourself from the situation, you want to be sure that you can count on a good recommendation from him in the future.

If you've got a good enough/casual enough relationship with him, you could even say, "Look, I realize that this probably looks like I'm sucking up, but I really am concerned about this situation, which I have not created or participated in, will reflect poorly on my work. I feel that I have made valuable contributions, and want to know that I can count on you for a good evaluation/reference/whatever."

If you can focus on your own positive work situation, you should be ok, despite what happens.

tlongII
07-25-2006, 02:08 PM
Don't worry about looking like a suck-up. Everybody has to brown-nose from time to time in the job market.

1Parker1
07-25-2006, 02:11 PM
I hate catty co-workers, Luckily I love the people I work with at my current job (although even they get catty occasionally). Truth is, you're going to run into people like that wherever you work, it's a fact. Whenever you work in a business/office setting and have to work with a group of people, there's bound to be one person in the group who creates trouble, doesn't pull their share of work, and is just a pain in the ass.

Look on the positive side, Jekka, this girl is preparing you for the real world. Next time you interview for a job, and the interviewer asks you to "describe a difficult situation in the workplace and how you resolved that issue" you now have an answer for it. :lol

SpursWoman
07-25-2006, 02:16 PM
Don't worry about looking like a suck-up. Everybody has to brown-nose from time to time in the job market.


:tu :lol


Don't let someone who you will probably never see again in your life have any impact on any future job opportunity or reference.


I really am concerned about this situation, which I have not created or participated in, will reflect poorly on my work. I feel that I have made valuable contributions, and want to know that I can count on you for a good evaluation/reference/whatever."

I don't think approaching it this way would make you look like a suck-up at all, but I would leave out the "I may look like a suck-up" part ... don't put any negative ideas into his(her?) head that may not even be there to begin with.

Jekka
07-25-2006, 02:20 PM
If you've got a good enough/casual enough relationship with him, you could even say, "Look, I realize that this probably looks like I'm sucking up, but I really am concerned about this situation, which I have not created or participated in, will reflect poorly on my work. I feel that I have made valuable contributions, and want to know that I can count on you for a good evaluation/reference/whatever."

If you can focus on your own positive work situation, you should be ok, despite what happens.
I don't know how "informal" the situation is with my boss anymore, he's acting about as pissy as any of us are, but I'll definitely sit down with him and try to hash things out. Thanks.


Look on the positive side, Jekka, this girl is preparing you for the real world. Next time you interview for a job, and the interviewer asks you to "describe a difficult situation in the workplace and how you resolved that issue" you now have an answer for it. :lol
Oh, I'm well acquainted with the real world, we're not friends, but we know each other rather intimately :lol This situation is just rather unique in that I don't have a lot of time to fix it.

With the exception of the one person, I love everyone I work with, and I hate that she's ruined what would otherwise be an ideal work environment.

1Parker1
07-25-2006, 02:21 PM
:lol Sorry, poor choice of words, by "real world" I meant wherever you decide to work Full-time, once you graduate...

Anyways, don't let one person ruin an otherwise great work experience for you. You'll probably never see her again after August 11th! :tu

Jekka
07-25-2006, 02:23 PM
Don't worry about looking like a suck-up. Everybody has to brown-nose from time to time in the job market.

:tu :lol

Don't let someone who you will probably never see again in your life have any impact on any future job opportunity or reference.
This is true. I was trying to hold on to some semblance of integrity, but I don't think I have the time for that. Damn.

SpursWoman
07-25-2006, 02:26 PM
This is true. I was trying to hold on to some semblance of integrity, but I don't think I have the time for that. Damn.


Bringing up a legitimate problem beyond your control with your boss isn't a sign that you lack integrity. The key is to not sound whiny when you do it. :lol

travis2
07-25-2006, 02:26 PM
What makes you think you are giving up your integrity?

Jekka
07-25-2006, 03:24 PM
What makes you think you are giving up your integrity?

My boss has really left no room for apologies/explanations/discourse/etc, so any action I take at this point is going to come across as excessive and possibly irritating, which will compromise my judgment in his eyes most likely. It's not my integrity so much as his perception of my integrity, but I just don't have time to let it lie and blow over.

ShoogarBear
07-25-2006, 03:29 PM
How has this thread gone on this long without a post from The Suck-Up?

ShoogarBear
07-25-2006, 03:34 PM
Also, I'm disappointed that tlong didn't suggest showing your boss some leg, so I guess I'll have to.

Marklar MM
07-25-2006, 03:35 PM
You could always put a porn site on their computer when they are not watching. Not that I condone porn in the workplace. :)

Guru of Nothing
07-25-2006, 09:30 PM
How exactly should a person approach his/her boss about a catty coworker situation? I have tried my best to get along with this woman, but she’s been stirring up drama the last few weeks to what has reached a dizzying level this morning. There is a meeting scheduled with my boss on Thursday involving all of the interns (even those of us who are not instigators), but I want to know what I can say to separate myself from the drama without looking like a suck-up. I do not want the drama that has occurred to reflect poorly in my future job recommendations, especially when the work I have been turning in is of good quality.

I woke up to middle school in my inbox this morning, it’s ridiculous.

It's hard to go wrong with a properly worded email to your boss AND his/her boss.

Tight English sentences rule!

boutons_
07-25-2006, 10:08 PM
Why is your integrity only a semblance of integrity in the first place? :lol

I think you two bitches need to get it on, a real, scratching, hair-pulling, blouse-ripping, brassiere-strpping, hissing, miawling, cathartic cat-fight. Hell, ya, baby. I'll be there.

It's ya'll's immediate superior who needs to create and maintain an environmental drum-beat so you wage slaves can pull the oars with maximum efficiency.

CharlieMac
07-25-2006, 10:11 PM
I'm emotionally invested in this story. Post how it turns out.

Jekka
07-25-2006, 11:35 PM
Why is your integrity only a semblance of integrity in the first place? :lol

I think you two bitches need to get it on, a real, scratching, hair-pulling, blouse-ripping, brassiere-strpping, hissing, miawling, cathartic cat-fight. Hell, ya, baby. I'll be there.
You might rethink that if you ever saw her. She's been compared to Toad from Frog and Toad - we're thinking about getting her a waistcoat as a goodbye gift at the end of this mess.

http://www.childrenstheatre.org/images/2005/frogtoad_fg2.gif

furry_spurry
07-26-2006, 12:42 AM
I would let it blow over and say nothing- but that is how I have always been in work environments. I am the person who does her job and keeps quiet about what everyone else is doing- figuring the boss actually knows the truth- and he or she always has, in my case. I am a little unclear as to why you feel the need to say anything about it- could that not make you appear to be part of the cattiness? Talking about it- even separately to your boss- seems to present the possibiltiy of making you look like you are more involved than you want them to think you are. Does that make sense? If the drama doesnt really involve you, then you have nothing to say about it.

clambake
07-26-2006, 01:11 AM
Is your boss someone worth impressing to begin with?

Do you trust his/ her judgement to the point of impacting your future?

Does this boss separate fact from fiction, or only care about his/her position

Does this boss deserve your respect?


If the answer to all these questions is yes, then trust he/she will respect your concerns.

travis2
07-26-2006, 06:41 AM
Slightly off the wall question...to anyone, really...

What are the laws in Texas concerning references? It is my understanding that former employers aren't allowed to randomly give bad references...but I'm not a lawyer, so I don't really know...

ShoogarBear
07-26-2006, 08:28 AM
I seem to recall a previous thread on that exact question a year or two ago . . .

SpursWoman
07-26-2006, 08:31 AM
I would let it blow over and say nothing- but that is how I have always been in work environments. I am the person who does her job and keeps quiet about what everyone else is doing- figuring the boss actually knows the truth- and he or she always has, in my case. I am a little unclear as to why you feel the need to say anything about it- could that not make you appear to be part of the cattiness? Talking about it- even separately to your boss- seems to present the possibiltiy of making you look like you are more involved than you want them to think you are. Does that make sense? If the drama doesnt really involve you, then you have nothing to say about it.

Eh, I'm pretty much the same way ... but I'm not a fall guy, either. I'm not letting someone else's ineptness have anything to do with my livelihood, and if I'm doing all of the work, I'm getting credit for it. And since that way of operating got me from staff accountant to corporate controller in about 4 years time, I'm pretty sure it's a more effective route than keeping your mouth shut and getting stepped all over. Looking like a doormat will get you about as far as looking like a drama queen.

boutons_
07-26-2006, 08:32 AM
furry spurry, are we talking post-pubesence, finally got the advice right.

STFU, know your job, do your job, head down, nose to the grindstone, coolly professional not hotly emotional, and refuse to get sucked into the hormonal hysteria (actually, its sounds like it's probably too late :lol ).

In that hen house, you're probably all sync'd up menstrually anyway. :lol

SpursWoman
07-26-2006, 08:36 AM
furry spurry, are we talking post-pubesence, finally got the advice right.


Sure. If you want to be someone else's secretary for the rest of your career. Or a career administrative assistant...why not? You have your own *day* and everything. :fro

FromWayDowntown
07-26-2006, 02:38 PM
Slightly off the wall question...to anyone, really...

What are the laws in Texas concerning references? It is my understanding that former employers aren't allowed to randomly give bad references...but I'm not a lawyer, so I don't really know...

I don't do much employment work and can't say for sure that there isn't a prohibition against giving bad references, but I would think that an employer could offer bad references if it chose to. The reason most employers don't, though, is that if the employee sued for wrongful termination and sought back pay as well as damages for the period of time between termination and the start of the next job, the employer's actions in giving bad references could be used as evidence of an effort to deprive the employee of a job. From a practical standpoint, the risk is too great -- if there's effort of the employer's complicity (subtle or otherwise) in keeping the employee jobless, a jury or a court could easily assess the damages resulting from that period of unemployment against the employer.

While in college, I worked in HR for a fairly sizeable local entity and fielded about 5-10 calls for references each week. That entity had a hard-and-fast rule limiting references to a verification of employment, position, and dates of employment. Nothing beyond that information. I also made reference calls to other business about prospective employees for that entity and found that the variety ran from the sort of vanilla stuff I was permitted to disclose to some who were willing to provide every detail of a person's tenure and offer editorial comment about personality and job performance.

1Parker1
07-26-2006, 02:53 PM
What kind of law do you practice, FWD?

furry_spurry
07-26-2006, 05:13 PM
Sure. If you want to be someone else's secretary for the rest of your career. Or a career administrative assistant...why not? You have your own *day* and everything. :fro

Being as I have never been a secretary or an administrative assistant, that does not quite apply to me. I have never, ever had a problem with a boss not knowing that I do my job well and my being recognized for it. Every place I have ever left was VERY sorry to see me go. It has been my personal experience that bosses for the most part know sure well who is doing what, but then again I have always worked with highly-educated people. Since college, I have never had a boss without at least a Master's Degree.

In this poster's particular case, she was talking about an interniship. Coming across as griping that you had to do too much work and someone else did not do enough at an internship is a BAD move in my opinion. Plus, she is the one who classified it as cattiness. You stay out of cattiness at work by closing your mouth- not opening it.

Jekka
07-27-2006, 03:25 PM
I'm emotionally invested in this story. Post how it turns out.

Catty Coworker quit and solved all of our problems. It was generally agreed upon in the meeting that she was the root of all issues and is now gone, so hallelujah. Granted, this means extra work for all of us, but I really don't mind so long as I don't have to deal with the crazy lady.

tlongII
07-27-2006, 03:55 PM
Catty Coworker quit and solved all of our problems. It was generally agreed upon in the meeting that she was the root of all issues and is now gone, so hallelujah. Granted, this means extra work for all of us, but I really don't mind so long as I don't have to deal with the crazy lady.

You realize of course that you have a cat for your avatar?

Sportcamper
07-27-2006, 04:03 PM
Catty Coworker's ARE LIKE FORUM WHACKOS...Get rid of one & somebody just steps up & takes their place... :smokin

furry_spurry
07-27-2006, 06:03 PM
It was generally agreed upon in the meeting that she was the root of all issues and is now gone, so hallelujah.
So the boss knew??

SpursWoman
07-27-2006, 06:11 PM
I wouldn't be too sure ... her boss might only have a BBA. :lol

exstatic
07-27-2006, 06:47 PM
Catty Coworker quit and solved all of our problems. It was generally agreed upon in the meeting that she was the root of all issues and is now gone, so hallelujah. Granted, this means extra work for all of us, but I really don't mind so long as I don't have to deal with the crazy lady.
Actually, it sounds that way, but it also sounds like you had group objectives, and had to cover her lazy/worthless ass. Asking the boss for clear individual objectives for everyone really cannot be taken the wrong way, and WILL reveal the source of the problem in a fast, real-world indisputable way.

MannyIsGod
07-27-2006, 06:53 PM
I tried to get Jess to be more confrintational in tihs situation because as I've been in the pressence of many of her group meetings and I've seen the work she's stayed up all night at times doing, I really looked like to me that their "boss" really thought he could simply hand off the objective and it would work itself out.

I think they did a damn good job of putting the data together, but when issues arose this guy was pissed because it was his ass on the line. Well, thats fine but how about you take some time to take care of the situation BEFORE it gets to this point instead of being a pissed off asshole when it does? As SW said, I think this guy is relativly green because he lacks a lot of "mangement" sense and it showed this time around.

I didn't want Jess to get run over by some guy who obviously didn't know how to properly delegate the objectives and clarify what should have taken place or nip problems in the bud. It all worked out in the end quite well seeing as the main root of the problem removed herself but hopefully her boss takes something from this experience as well and provides more guidance/supervision in the future.

Guru of Nothing
07-27-2006, 08:57 PM
I tried to get Jess to be more confrintational in tihs situation because as I've been in the pressence of many of her group meetings and I've seen the work she's stayed up all night at times doing, I really looked like to me that their "boss" really thought he could simply hand off the objective and it would work itself out.

I think they did a damn good job of putting the data together, but when issues arose this guy was pissed because it was his ass on the line. Well, thats fine but how about you take some time to take care of the situation BEFORE it gets to this point instead of being a pissed off asshole when it does? As SW said, I think this guy is relativly green because he lacks a lot of "mangement" sense and it showed this time around.

I didn't want Jess to get run over by some guy who obviously didn't know how to properly delegate the objectives and clarify what should have taken place or nip problems in the bud. It all worked out in the end quite well seeing as the main root of the problem removed herself but hopefully her boss takes something from this experience as well and provides more guidance/supervision in the future.

Hate me, but that is some passive prose Manny. Actually, it's downright disgusting.

Don't let the bastards drag you down.

Thank me later.

P.S. - I deal with SOX auditors and thusly I hate passive statements. I'm biased.

MannyIsGod
07-27-2006, 09:13 PM
I'm lost man. You're going to have to spell it out fo rme.

TDMVPDPOY
07-27-2006, 09:16 PM
pull the race card, get her fired :D

furry_spurry
07-27-2006, 09:17 PM
From people I have spoken to--it's better to do an individual internship than one with a group of interns.

As for the remark about the degree: Not only am I being interviewed, I am also "interviewing" my prospective boss. To seek someone who has higher credentials and education for one's boss has created successful work relationships for me. I like someone who has shown their dedication and intelligence by pursuing an advanced degree- as I am doing the same. Nothing is more frustrating to me than knowing more than my boss. I am there not only to work but to learn.

Guru of Nothing
07-27-2006, 09:20 PM
I'm lost man. You're going to have to spell it out fo rme.

Check your PMs dude.

Adios.

MannyIsGod
07-27-2006, 09:21 PM
pull the race card, get her fired :D:lol

Jess is a cracka.

SpursWoman
07-27-2006, 09:32 PM
I inherited a horrible employee when I'd gotten my promotion, whom I wasn't allowed to replace for several unmentionable reasons ... so I was stuck having to constantly waste my time and effort, on top of an already stressful job, correcting her mistakes.

My boss never saw these mistakes because since the end product came from me, I made damn sure what I turned in was correct, regardless of how much extra time I had to spend getting it that way. I kept my mouth shut for a long time and just did it ... but when things started getting really bad, I started to hate my job because it seemed so fucking unfair, but I was too afraid to complain because he knew I didn't like her from the moment I interviewed her and that I was pissed at him for pulling rank and hiring her anyway...so I didn't want to seem catty, because some genius told me I should just shut up and do the work.

Well, I finally snapped ... and went into my boss' office and had a long heart to heart about this woman and what was really going on behind the scenes. And I didn't present it in a way that I was bad-mouthing her, but with solid examples of the mistakes she was constantly making and my efforts to teach her the right way, the bad attitude she had with customers & vendors, and several other gems ... and how what she was doing was affecting the quality of my work and how much time I had to spend correcting it...and to top it off I told him about other ideas I had of things I wanted to do for the benefit of the company but never had time to do them because of her.

He finally let me fire her, and hire someone that was awesome whose work I could trust...my job got exponentially better and I was able to move on to bigger and better things. So no, sitting on your ass when something is going on to the detriment of the company is not always the answer, just because you're afraid to look like a PMS'ing female.

My boss was pretty fucking smart, too (an MBA and a CPA!)... but he was also very approachable. Being the owner of the company, he was very busy and gone a lot, so he didn't have time to waste making sure an accounting clerk was doing her job right. So he didn't know. And was pretty incredulous that I hadn't brought it up sooner.

furry_spurry
07-28-2006, 12:18 AM
You are talking about a completely different situation. That was someone who worked beneath you- you were her supervisor, rght? It was your job to discuss her. The person in question was talking about a peer- that is entirely different. In your case- YOU WERE THE BOSS- and you knew what she was doing wrong. You were the person who was supposed to do something about it- surely not the other accounting clerks.

SpursWoman
07-28-2006, 06:18 AM
Up until then I was told by those above me that she was pretty much untouchable, regardless of my rank ... I didn't think I could do anything about it so I just kept my mouth shut and dealt with it. Not all that dissimilar.

There's a big difference complaining because you don't like a perfume a coworker is wearing or that you just don't like her personally, and bringing up a problem that might potentially hurt the success of the company. The former? Yes, I would recommend keeping your mouth shut. The latter? I would approach it very diplomatically with your supervisor. Sorry, I just don't believe correcting a work-related problem is "catty." Regardless of what 80 year old men like boutons say, it possible for a female to have a legitimate concern at the workplace that needs to be addressed without it involving her menstrual cycle.

In any case, it's always good when the problem removes itself. :tu

easjer
07-28-2006, 09:54 AM
Glad it got resolved, Jekka.


Although I really have to laugh at furry's ideas with education/degrees, as mine are very different. Perhaps I've been jaded by working the field of higher education, but my experience has been that intelligence, work ethic, degrees, knowledge and management abilities/experience rarely have anything to do with each other. Maybe she's simply more lucky than I've been.

leemajors
07-28-2006, 10:17 AM
Glad it got resolved, Jekka.


Although I really have to laugh at furry's ideas with education/degrees, as mine are very different. Perhaps I've been jaded by working the field of higher education, but my experience has been that intelligence, work ethic, degrees, knowledge and management abilities/experience rarely have anything to do with each other. Maybe she's simply more lucky than I've been.

it's always about who you know, or getting lucky. someone with connections can always move up.

furry_spurry
07-28-2006, 11:02 AM
Although I really have to laugh at furry's ideas with education/degrees, as mine are very different. Perhaps I've been jaded by working the field of higher education, but my experience has been that intelligence, work ethic, degrees, knowledge and management abilities/experience rarely have anything to do with each other. Maybe she's simply more lucky than I've been.

I've never been someone to complain about my boss. I wasn't raised or taught that way. If nothing else, the "position" deserved respect.

The chances of my learning from my boss are greater if he is "more educated" than me. I care more about intellectual challenge than management style. Everyone has their own preferences. I also prefer a male boss. Now watch me get slammed.

Jekka
07-28-2006, 01:20 PM
I've never been someone to complain about my boss. I wasn't raised or taught that way. If nothing else, the "position" deserved respect ... I also prefer a male boss.
Are you saying that it is easier for you to respect men in authoritative positions than women? Or just that you prefer learning from a man :rolleyes


In any case, it's always good when the problem removes itself.
Very much so. Although I would have appreciated it if she saved us all the grief sooner. Two of us are now doing the rest of her work, but at least it's getting done correctly the first time as opposed to spending half our time editing.

NorCal510
07-28-2006, 01:21 PM
jekka mah ninja

SpursWoman
07-28-2006, 01:40 PM
Are you saying that it is easier for you to respect men in authoritative positions than women? Or just that you prefer learning from a man :rolleyes


I believe it would be difficult to learn from a woman who's place is in her little cubicle with her mouth shut, so I guess that would make sense. :spin


I've had very positive experiences with both male & female bosses ... and I try to emulate the qualities I respected most from each of them.

Gatita
07-28-2006, 01:41 PM
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c304/janee_garcia/45009.jpg

Jekka
07-28-2006, 01:44 PM
I believe it would be difficult to learn from a woman who's place is in her little cubicle with her mouth shut, so I guess that would make sense. :spin


I've had very positive experiences with both male & female bosses ... and I try to emulate the qualities I respected most from each of them.

:lol

I've had good experiences from both male and female bosses as well. The general pattern of an ineffective boss from my experience is when he/she ignores problems and don't give adequate direction - and those traits are not gender-specific.

SpursWoman
07-28-2006, 01:44 PM
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c304/janee_garcia/45009.jpg



That's rather frightening ... but it'd be a pretty funny party trick. :lmao :lol

furry_spurry
07-28-2006, 03:31 PM
I enjoy how you classify me. First, I was a secretary and now I work in a cubicle- neither of which I have ever done- not that there is anything wrong with either.

Maybe it's because I have always had people come and ASK me for input and opinions-I haven't ever had to initiate it.

Maybe I just have a different view of work, as well as life. I figure that people have to answer for themselves as to how they lived their lives and did their jobs, and certainly not answer to me.

As for male bosses, yeah, I will say it-- overall, males are more supportive of females than females are of other females. Not always- but I am just playing the odds. Like in this story, the cattiness came from a female- right?

SpursWoman
07-28-2006, 03:57 PM
I enjoy how you classify me.


They were both very general statements ... where you got they were specific to you I have no idea. :lol

NorCal510
07-28-2006, 04:37 PM
jekka mah ninja

tlongII
07-28-2006, 05:25 PM
In my experience I have found female bosses to be much more manipulative and they tend to tend to concern themselves more with how they are perceived rather than the work group as a whole. Of course I'm speaking in generalities here, but I'd rather work for a male.