Spurs after Bonzi Wells?

[Kori Ellis]

Keep in mind, the source isn't the best.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_18276.shtml


Spurs Throw in for Bonzi Wells

By Bill Ingram
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Jul 29, 2006, 14:37


There are two schools of thought when it comes to the San Antonio Spurs' offseason. The first goes something like this: The Spurs, who finished the season at 63-19 with the best record in the Western Conference, should make as few changes as possible. Maybe make a tweak here, a tweak there, and try to duplicate the success of last season. After all, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili are the primary players and as long as they're in place the Spurs will be contenders again in 2006-07.

The second school of thought goes like this: The Dallas Mavericks gave the Spurs a run for their money in the race for the best record in the Western Conference, and may have lost out due to injuries more than anything else. If the Mavs are healthy next season can the Spurs, who ultimately lost to a healthy Mavs team in the playoffs, hope to maintain their advantage in the regular season without making any significant improvements?

I know the Spurs are high on Jackie Butler and Francisco Elson, but from a neutral point of view it's hard to understand where there is any advantage here. Rasho was more expensive, so the Spurs saved some money, but if Popovich is going to try to beat the Mavs at their own game instead of forcing them to play Spurs basketball, the end result will be the same - because Pop won't use these centers, either. Nazr was a much better player than either of the new Spurs' big men, yet he couldn't seem to get playing time under Pop's confusing second round rotation. Frankly, the reason Nazr told HOOPSWORLD that he left San Antonio was because he didn't know for sure that he would have a role. Considering the Spurs had just traded away their only other center, that's a significant statement.

The Spurs have not improved yet this summer, and time is running out. Eric Williams is hardly an impact player. Matt Bonner is a great locker room guy, but does he make you a better team? Doubtful. Michael Finley is a year older, Robert Horry looked a decade older in the playoffs, and the highly-touted Fabricio Oberto seemed to be join the forgotten men (Rasho, Nazr) on the end of the bench. So it's safe to say the Spurs have not yet made any major improvements.

What are they waiting for?

Frankly we do have to give them some credit for trying. Francisco Elson was not their first choice - it's just that Ben Wallace, Alonzo Mourning, and even Joel Przybilla (?) all said no. If the Spurs had managed to lure Wallace or Mourning we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead we'd be singing the praises of the Spurs' front office and marveling at how they always seem to get the best players and be the odds-on favorite to win it all at the beginning of the season. But that's not where we are.

On Friday we learned that the Spurs have thrown their hat in the race to sign the only remaining big-name free agent: Bonzi Wells. The Spurs know better than any other team what Bonzi's value is, as he was the reason some pundits began predicting a first-round loss for the Spurs. Bonzi was nothing short of a Spurs killer in the first round, averaging 23.2 points, shooting 61% from the field and grabbing 12 rebounds per game.

The Spurs are not the front-runners for Wells, but they are now officially on the radar. The question now becomes whether Wells would rather play with his buddy Jermaine O'Neal in Indiana, as was originally planned, or play for a title in San Antonio, Miami, or Detroit.

The Kings are open to a sign-and-trade, meaning the Spurs could unload some of their redundant talent. Brent Barry's name has been mentioned in almost every trade rumor involving the Spurs, but more recently Oberto and Beno Udrih have been on the table in discussions, as well.

One thing's for sure - the Spurs haven't yet made the deal that makes them better than division rival Dallas. The Mavericks have made some nice upgrades, locked Jason Terry in for the foreseeable future, and had a solid draft. They have not been content to stand pat. There is no question they have improved. It may be that Bonzi Wells is the only way left for the Spurs to keep pace with their Texas Triangle rivals.

[Leetonidas]

It's odd that would come out. I very rarely read anything about the Spurs in rumor columns, so maybe this has some credibility, but it is HoopsWorld.

[T Park]

With the source, I highly doubt it.

Call me crazy, I would S&T Barry for Wells though.


Would fix the rebounding problem, and would help in the small ball games against Phoenix and Dallas.

[Kori Ellis]

It's odd that would come out. I very rarely read anything about the Spurs in rumor columns, so maybe this has some credibility, but it is Hoopshype.

No, it's Hoopsworld.

If it was Hoopshype, it would be more credible.

[midgetonadonkey]

No way he signs with the Spurs.

[PM5K]

I have to disagree with his assesment of Matt Bonner, at least statistically as I can honestly say I've never seen him play, but if you look at his stats and consider the changes we wanted to make, and what we gave up to get him, I consider that trade a pretty good trade for us...

[spurs=bling]

Bonzi????

[clambake]

My only drawback with bonzi is the chemistry with spurs teammates and coaches.

Bonzi as a spur would also be scary for mav fans.

[Slomo]

How about Bonzi's less than stellar performance last season (with the exception of the 1st round of the playoffs).

[atxrocker]

How about Bonzi's less than stellar performance last season (with the exception of the 1st round of the playoffs).

less than stellar? i'm not sure those would be the words i would use to describe his season. he actually had a pretty solid season until the injury that forced him to take some time off.

that said, i think it is highly unlikely bonzi will be in a spurs jersey next season. would be a killer lineup if he did though.

[Leetonidas]

No, it's Hoopsworld.

If it was Hoopshype, it would be more credible.

That's what I meant to say. I always get the two mixed up.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, if we still had Rasho, he would be almost perfect in a trade for Bonzi.

I don't know what else the Kings would want aside from picks or draft rights. Maybe some of those could be thrown in with Eric Williams and cash to pay part of his salary. Don't know if Bonzi would wait that long and of course we would have to get rid of Barry...maybe another team would have to get involved.

[T Park]

Barry, draft rights to Scola, Oberto


Thats 7.5 million in salary, and rights to a euro star PF that the Kings need.

[LakerHater]

That would be freaking awesome to get Bonzi, but i doubt it! At least The Spurs are trying!

[boutons_]

head-case, quit playing for the Kings, until the very public stage of playoffs vs Spurs, then he showed what he could do in his "contract playoffs".

He's overweight 20 - 30 pounds. At 30, he needs to take weight off his knees, ankles. Losing weight would be a good indication of his commitment and conditioning, if he came.

Did Pop and RC gets stars in their eyes just because of the Bonzi's one-shot playoffs? Do they really think he'll be that effective all year long, or even 75% that good?

[Kori Ellis]

He averaged 8 rebounds a game and shot a higher percentage than he had in five years or something.

How is that a bad season?

I'll take his 14p, 8r, 2s per game for just about anyone on the Spurs roster other than the starting 4. :)

[ChumpDumper]

They could pretend Oberto is a center. Maybe.

They already overpaid for a poor man's Barry (!) in Salmons, but it's hard to tell -- maybe Muss would like that versatility.

[T Park]

If he isn't as effective scoring the ball, the one thing he will bring is toughness and rebounding.

Something that the Spurs lack, and something, if they got, would push them BACK past the Mavericks, and back to river barge parades in June.

[CubanMustGo]

The Maloofs aren't this stupid. Maybe if Bonzi played for the Knicks.

[T Park]

They already overpaid for a poor man's Barry (!) in Salmons

I think that they would use Barry as that swingable swingman.

Point guard, shooting guard, small forward.

Veteran leader, and also good influence among the youngins.


Its a win win trade IMO.

[Kori Ellis]

The Maloofs aren't this stupid. Maybe if Bonzi played for the Knicks.

I agree.

I think they can get more for Bonzi than the Spurs have to offer. Unless there's some odd player on the Spurs that the Kings covet for some reason.

[ChumpDumper]

It seems tha Maloofs have already given up on signing Bonzi, so now they have to decide if they can get something for him or let him go for nothing. We might be able to throw something together, but I'm sure some other team could too.

[T Park]

The Maloofs aren't this stupid

Get something for Bonzi boosting the bench with Oberto and Barry, or get jack shnit for him and let him go.

[CubanMustGo]

Get something for Bonzi boosting the bench with Oberto and Barry, or get jack shnit for him and let him go.

As Kori and others have said, other teams can throw together much better deals than Oberto & Barry.

[T Park]

Im also sure a team with their MLE would also throw something at him too.


Atlanta has lots of capspace.

Im sure theyd like to have another wing :lol

[T Park]

As Kori and others have said, other teams can throw together much better deals than Oberto & Barry

We will see won't we.

[Slomo]

He averaged 8 rebounds a game and shot a higher percentage than he had in five years or something.

How is that a bad season?

I'll take his 14p, 8r, 2s per game for just about anyone on the Spurs roster other than the starting 4. :)I don't know, those numbers are pretty nice but isn't he supposed to be much better? Isn't one of the more common complains about him that he didn't live up to his contract?

I'll be the first to admit that he was scary good in the 1st round.

I'd take 14/8 from him anyday, just not convinced he'd give them.

[timvp]

The Spurs as an organization hate Bonzi Wells. There's no way in hell the Spurs are going after him.

No way.

[dimsah]

I would think the Kings would at least want him out of the conference. The only way I see them dealing with the Spurs is that they are dead-set on getting compensation for him, and noone else gives a better offer than what the Spurs are offering.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't know, those numbers are pretty nice but isn't he supposed to be much better?

Not really:lol He's a 30-year-old 6'5 SF. I think the numbers that he's put up in his career are probably about what would be expected.



I'd take 14/8 from him anyday, just not convinced he'd give them.

Well I'd take even six rebounds a game from him if he was playing 30mpg.

But, I still don't think the Spurs will get him.

[timvp]

Bonzi is going to bust with whoever signs him. He was playing for a contract last season. Once he gets his five-year deal, he's going to turn it off and call it a career.

[ChumpDumper]

A couple of factors here.

Bonzi wants more than the MLE, but if the Kings give him that and trade him, they'll probably go over the tax threshold. So they might be looking for a trade exception or, a longer shot, an expiring contract they might be able to buyout at a slightly lower rate. That's why I brought up Williams.

I think the ideal trade for them would be signing Bonzi for about $6 million to start and tradng him for a center that makes less than $5 million. Good luck with that.

[exstatic]

The matchup problems that Bonzi presents on offense are more than offset by his total lack of defense. If you think we had problems guarding Dallas last year, wait until we try with only 4 players.

[atxrocker]

Bonzi is going to bust with whoever signs him. He was playing for a contract last season. Once he gets his five-year deal, he's going to turn it off and call it a career.


that could very well be the case, but i'm not sure i would write the guy off so soon. depending on where he ends up, if he is with a club that has a shot at winning, i would not be surprised to see him step up his game and intensity and be a real impact player. it will certainly be interesting to see where he ends up. surrounded by guys who really want to win and know how, and with proper motiviation he can be a real beast.

[ChumpDumper]

The Spurs as an organization hate Bonzi Wells. There's no way in hell the Spurs are going after him.

No way.Yeah, the only thing this rumor has going for it is the Spurs' habit of pursuing players who own their team in a game or a series.

[Mr. Body]

Barry and Oberto would be good players in the Kings' system. Oberto would give them another good passing post along with Brad Miller.

I don't think the Spurs would take Wells for more than 3 years, especially at 30 already, and I don't think Bonzi is looking for that few years, unless he really wants to play for a contender. The postseason certainly woke him up last year.

Bonzi definitely did not have a bad year last year. Even if he doesn't return to playoff form - where he almost beat us single-handedly - he's still an active player, good shooter, decent defender, and excellent rebounder for his size.

The team seems to think they can take on a head-case here and there. The team atmosphere is calming and stabilizing. Does he mind coming off the bench, though? Can we get him 30 mpg?

A stable Bonzi Wells off the bench would push us over the Mavericks, no question. But I don't see... 1) Sacramento giving him to a rival, 2) the Spurs spending more than MLE-type money for a few years, 3) the Spurs taking on such a big risk. Not a Darius Miles-type risk, but a pretty big one.

[ChumpDumper]

Barry and Oberto would be good players in the Kings' system.Sure, last year -- I don't know enough about Musselman to say if they would be a good fit in his new system.
I don't think the Spurs would take Wells for more than 3 years, especially at 30 already, and I don't think Bonzi is looking for that few years, unless he really wants to play for a contender.I guess that depends on the other offers he might have.

[leemajors]

bonzi, stable. does not compute.

[Mr. Body]

If Bonzi is punting to see what money is there for next year and will take like a 2-year deal with the second as a player option, I could see the Spurs doing it for Barry.

[El_Mago]

Oberto, Barry, and anything else...is garbage, especially for Bonzi Wells.

No, GM is enamored with Oberto.

Scola I believe is in negotiations with Tau for a contract extension or already has signed one. Sacramento is probably not really interested in trying to sign another Euro and dealing with buy-out's. Sacramento has already had to deal with one disappointing Euro they drafted that basically said screw them and was content in playing in Europe...in Bodiroga. So, they probably don't want no part of Scola.

Only thing that might be attractive would be Williams expiring contract, but even if you threw in Barry to give some leadership to those young SG's....that still wouldn't be enough for Wells.

The Kings roster:

PG: Bibby, Hart, Douby, Prince
SG: Martin, Garcia, Salmons
SF: Artest, Salmons, Williamson
PF: Abdur-Rahim, Kenny Thomas, Amundson
C: Miller, Sampson, Potapenko

[ABDENOUR POWER]

How many times do I have to tell you people? Bonzi isn't going to SA, because he's going to DETROIT!

Sign and trade Bonzi for:

Carlos Delfino (1 million contract, solid young player with good potential)
Dale Davis (3.5 million expiring deal, solid backup C the Kings are looking for)
1.5 million trade exemption (salary cap relief)
Draft pick(s) - Maybe Detroits #1 this year since they also have Orlando's #1?

Its going to happen. Trust me.

:smokin

[El_Mago]

Yeah, thats the type of package it will probably take.

Not saying thats the definite package, but a lot better than the Spurs garbage.

[Mr. Body]

The Detroit package is definitely more attractive. I think the Kings want him as far away as possible. I see the Pistons hanging on to that draft pick, though.

E-Williams for Bonzi makes no sense. Why does Sacramento take on useless salary like that? You're essentially generating a wad of cash they have to pay, for no reason.

By all I've heard, Scola wants to come to the NBA and has not signed an extention with TAU. He's expecting to be in the States in the next year or two.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Would he be willing to come off the bench?

[ChumpDumper]

Sign and trade Bonzi for:

Carlos Delfino (1 million contract, solid young player with good potential)
Dale Davis (3.5 million expiring deal, solid backup C the Kings are looking for)
1.5 million trade exemption (salary cap relief)
Draft pick(s) - Maybe Detroits #1 this year since they also have Orlando's #1?That fits their needs almost to a T.
E-Williams for Bonzi makes no sense. Why does Sacramento take on useless salary like that? You're essentially generating a wad of cash they have to pay, for no reason.If we pay for most of that wad and throw in some picks or rights, it's more attractive. That way they end up buying the picks or rights for a couple million, maybe less. I agree they could get better deals like the one above.

[Stephen A.Smith]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
Would he be willing to come off the bench?

[El_Mago]

By all I've heard, Scola wants to come to the NBA and has not signed an extention with TAU. He's expecting to be in the States in the next year or two.

He can want to come all he wants, but no team is going to deliever the cash.

Until his asking price comes down or that buy-out some how goes away, it's going to be extremely hard for the Spurs to trade him. In a article I read, some GM's were quoted as saying the Spurs were better off trading him away last year or two years ago when his stock was really high. If he does not show up at the WC's....his stock will continue to plummet. However, if he shows up, it might be easier to deal him come All-Star break, but once again, he's asking for a lot and teams are not going to bite.

[furry_spurry]

Well, if we still had Rasho, he would be almost perfect in a trade for Bonzi.

:)



If the Spurs really want Bonzi, they will have to throw in someone like Finley to get him. The Kings have no reason to take on a deal like Willliams' unless they get a real asset to take it. I always love Spurs fans-- they think Oberto and Barry suck but then some team would take them for Bonzi Wells! :lol

I noticed people skipped over this part-- who was saying just yesterday that the analysts all think the Spurs have made great moves this summer:

The Spurs have not improved yet this summer, and time is running out. Eric Williams is hardly an impact player. Matt Bonner is a great locker room guy, but does he make you a better team? Doubtful. Michael Finley is a year older, Robert Horry looked a decade older in the playoffs, and the highly-touted Fabricio Oberto seemed to be join the forgotten men (Rasho, Nazr) on the end of the bench. So it's safe to say the Spurs have not yet made any major improvements.

[ChumpDumper]

I noticed people skipped over this part-- who was saying just yesterday that the analysts all think the Spurs have made great moves this summer:Quoting a hoopsworld "analyst" who is basically a Rockets message board poster doesn't really help your FO bashing.

[El_Mago]

If the Spurs really want Bonzi, they will have to throw in someone like Finley to get him. The Kings have no reason to take on a deal like Willliams' unless they get a real asset to take it. I always love Spurs fans-- they think Oberto and Barry suck but then some team would take them for Bonzi Wells!

Exactly, it's straight up Garbage.

Anyone who thinks the Kings are dumb enough to take on that trash is dreaming.

However, if those players actually show up this year and are rolling, then the Spurs might be able to dump them before All-Star break, but I highly doubt it.

[ChumpDumper]

Barry is a fucking badass. I would not be will to put him in a trade for Bonzi. The Spurs will not get Bonzi... (counting the seconds until ChumpDumper quotes me saying that Rasho will never be traded)Nah, I'm pretty sure the Spurs won't get Bonzi either.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Maloofs aren't this stupid. Maybe if Bonzi played for the Knicks.


You're talking about a team that just gave John Salmons a contract starting at the full MLE.

[confined]

i sure as hell hope this is a rumor ...bonzi + spurs = very scary

[Fillmoe]

You're talking about a team that just gave John Salmons a contract starting at the full MLE.

Salmons can play 3 positions and when Iverson was out for 10 games he averaged 14 points 6 assists and 5 boards..

[El_Mago]

I rather give that contract to John Salmons who can play on both sides of the floor, is young, will show up for 82 straight games, team player, and is not such a hot head.

Instead of giving more than the MLE to Wells.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Has Bill Ingram ever been right about anything? :nerd

[ChumpDumper]

Has Bill Ingram ever been right about anything? :nerdI just don't know why he is doing Spurs reports i/o Shaw. Shaw never had a ton of inside info, but wrote decently enough. MIA since May.

[mabber]

Yeah, the only thing this rumor has going for it is the Spurs' habit of pursuing players who own their team in a game or a series.

For what it's worth, Bonzi has owned the Mavs over the last several years. He always seems to have huge games against them.

[yavozerb]

Small- ball lineup which you guys love so much...
TP
Manu
Bowen
Bonzi
TD

[Solid D]

Pop and Bonzi shared a mutual admiration during and after their playoff series this year. After the final game, they appeared to be talking to each other. Whether the Spurs are talking about a S&T or not, I don't buy into any Spurs hatred talk. Even though the Danny Ferry incident was ugly...Bonzi's probably not the only player who wanted to spit at Danny.

[picnroll]

On Scola he has said in several interviews he wants to come to the NBA. At some point Spurs will trade his rights for whatever they can get, particualry if Butler proves to be a good low post force giving them Dunacn an Butler in the low post.

[AMOS7]

I've seen what Bonzi did against the Spurs when it mattered most (the post season), if the Spurs get Bonzi they are favorites again.

Toughness, rebounding, and a damn good scorer. Trade Barry, picks, whatever it takes outside of the Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Bowen, Butler, and Finley.

I'm a big fan of Barry, but I think that Bonzi can help the Spurs more.

[violentkitten]

bonzi's a better starting power forward than michael finley

[venitian navigator]

I'm scared of the "bonzi risk" but, if he comes with a positive attitude...he could be terrific!
About Detroit...I don't think is the best perspective for him, 'cause hamilton and prince are relatively young and necessarly starters for a long time.
In our line up in the back court (with the aging bowen and finley) in two years he defitely should be a starter.
Coming to what Detroit could offer...Sac has already his young studs in the back court with Garcia and Martin...they just need a veteran player that can shoot and play immediatly at a good level, not some young one that still needs minutes for showing his game and that he deserve playing time.
So, our "potential package" imho can be considered better than the potential Detroit one...

[Uncle Phil]

delete

[Obstructed_View]

If you think we had problems guarding Dallas last year, wait until we try with only 4 players.
That's two more than we had this year.

[Big P]

How many times do I have to tell you people? Bonzi isn't going to SA, because he's going to DETROIT!

Sign and trade Bonzi for:

Carlos Delfino (1 million contract, solid young player with good potential)
Dale Davis (3.5 million expiring deal, solid backup C the Kings are looking for)
1.5 million trade exemption (salary cap relief)
Draft pick(s) - Maybe Detroits #1 this year since they also have Orlando's #1?

Its going to happen. Trust me.

:smokin


I'm pretty sure you cant combine a trade exemption with other players to make a trade.

[timvp]

Pop and Bonzi shared a mutual admiration during and after their playoff series this year. After the final game, they appeared to be talking to each other. Whether the Spurs are talking about a S&T or not, I don't buy into any Spurs hatred talk. Even though the Danny Ferry incident was ugly...Bonzi's probably not the only player who wanted to spit at Danny.

The day the Spurs sign a player that pulled the Honky and Cracker card is the day timvp retires his CIA decoder ring. Pop has had other not as nice words to say to Bonzi during and after other games.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if the Spurs did the trade just so the team has a good rebounder. I'm not crazy about giving him a pay day but there are risks involved in trying to win championships.

But honestly, with how I know the Spurs feel about him and how I know they aren't giving any >2 year contracts, there's no way they're even talking about this trade.

[Mr. Body]

They may not be talking acquiring Bonzi in any way, but to suggest this team would let petty grudges get in the way of getting better is absurd. There's not a player in the NBA the Spurs wouldn't consider trading for. Because he said something dumb? Don't make me laugh. Sounds more like timvp is projecting his own grudge on the FO's actions. This is as silly as SAS fans ready to revoke their season tickets for signing 'cock punch' Horry.

[SpursWoman]

Bonzi's probably not the only player who wanted to spit at Danny.


Define "spit". :angel :lol

[spurschick]

The day the Spurs sign a player that pulled the Honky and Cracker card is the day timvp retires his CIA decoder ring.


:lol

[timvp]

They may not be talking acquiring Bonzi in any way, but to suggest this team would let petty grudges get in the way of getting better is absurd. There's not a player in the NBA the Spurs wouldn't consider trading for. Because he said something dumb? Don't make me laugh. Sounds more like timvp is projecting his own grudge on the FO's actions. This is as silly as SAS fans ready to revoke their season tickets for signing 'cock punch' Horry.

My own grudge? I don't have anything against Bonzi. Did you read the part where I said that I'd take him on the team?

I just know how the Spurs work.

Go ahead and fantasize about this Bonzi to Spurs Hoopsworld BS article if you wish. I'm just giving you a heads up that you can cancel your personalized jersey order.

[Fillmoe]

If the best yall want to offer is Barry and a 1st than we are better off letting Bonzi walk... I am sure other teams are offering a little bit more than that.

[Mr. Body]

My own grudge? I don't have anything against Bonzi. Did you read the part where I said that I'd take him on the team?

I just know how the Spurs work.

Go ahead and fantasize about this Bonzi to Spurs Hoopsworld BS article if you wish. I'm just giving you a heads up that you can cancel your personalized jersey order.

The bitching about his cracker and honky statements = grudge. Turning in your CIA decoder ring statement = grudge. It's kind of lame, but if you're passionate about the guy, then so be it. He's an excellent player and it would be no surprise if the Spurs did take a look into acquiring him, apart from what the lame Hoopsworld site says.

You're one of Qyntel Woods' biggest supporters on this board. Why do you think they'd ever look at him and wouldn't look at Bonzi?

[timvp]

The bitching about his cracker and honky statements = grudge.

Yeah because white people can't defend themselves timvp comes in as Captain Save-a-Race.

You got me there :jack


Turning in your CIA decoder ring statement = grudge.

:wtf

I think you need to retire the equal sign.


It's kind of lame, but if you're passionate about the guy, then so be it. He's an excellent player and it would be no surprise if the Spurs did take a look into acquiring him, apart from what the lame Hoopsworld site says.

We'll see. If the Spurs are mentioned by a credible source to be looking at Wells, I'll write a full apology thread to you and the rest of the people in this forum.

And I'll fedex you the decoder ring.

:smokin

[Spurologist]

Bonzi + Spurs = CHAMPIONSHIP.

100% FACTUAL

[Mr. Body]

Bonzi + Spurs = CHAMPIONSHIP.

100% FACTUAL

I largely agree. Bonzi off the bench would be too much for teams to handle. But it's unlikely to happen and unlikely to happen well.

[dknights411]

Boy, I'm away from the computer for ONE day, and look what I missed!!!

Anyway, I don't think that Bonzi to the Spurs is happening. He has a better chance of going to the Mavs though.

[dbestpro]

[QUOTE=Kori Ellis]Keep in mind, the source isn't the best.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_18276.shtml


Spurs Throw in for Bonzi Wells

By Bill Ingram
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Jul 29, 2006, 14:37

This guy has no more credibility than my neighbor's little daughter. He makes this stuff up all the time and acts like he has some inside info. If hoopsworld said it you can bet cold cash it never happened.

[dbestpro]

How many times do I have to tell you people? Bonzi isn't going to SA, because he's going to DETROIT!

Sign and trade Bonzi for:

Carlos Delfino (1 million contract, solid young player with good potential)
Dale Davis (3.5 million expiring deal, solid backup C the Kings are looking for)
1.5 million trade exemption (salary cap relief)
Draft pick(s) - Maybe Detroits #1 this year since they also have Orlando's #1?

Its going to happen. Trust me.

:smokin

That's worse garbage than what the Spurs could offer I tell you what we'll sign Van Exel and trade him to you for the lot.

[intlspurshk]

If SPURS sign B Well, it will be huge matchup and foul troubles for all other teams in NBA including Dallas. If SPURS have Bonzi, Manu can come off the bench if B Wells insist to play starter role. After last year mistake, I believe Manu would do everything to help to reclaim the Championship status. B Well can pose chemistry issue but he is not that dumb to lower his value by totally refusing Pop's requests. This risk is worth taking and since no much team has cap space, his contract will be close to MLE which makes himself be a good trade asset once he signs with SPURS afterward. If he can help SPURS to get 1 yr championship, his value will rise and SPURS can trade him afterward with ease if chemisty is an issue.

The problem is how to get him. I hope the international games will help to drive up the value for Scola and Oberto so that some teams with capspace (like Bobcat, Altanta, Seattle???) would be interested in these players to help to arrange a S&T with a package of any combination of Scola, E William, Barry, Beno or Oberto. King will definitely not help SPURS. Some team will eventually offer more than LLE to B Wells. So it's merely a pipe dream but if there is any chance to get B Well, let's use the best effort to do so.

By the way, all the recent players let go by SPURS is because they suck not because they are bad boys (R Mercer, Rasho, Naza, C Wards). Even Pop said he doesn't mind bad boy (Stephen Jackson!!!).

[Slinkyman]

hoopsworld did claim Rasho wanted out of SA badly and asked to be traded, don't know if it was the same writer but they got that right.

I don't think the spurs would think twice about getting wells, his attitude is not nearly as bad as Sjax but he has more talent then Jackson. Look what happened between Malone and Drob yet the spurs still went after him, look at Sprewell and what he did to one of our coaches yet we still considered signing him.

would the kings want barry? probably barry + scola, not a bad deal considering they'd get nothing if they let him walk but i don't know what other teams are offering, barry could be the back pg and sg for them.

Who said the maloofs aren't stupid? didn't they give webber his huge deal? Look what they're paying Miller and bibby and tell me they didn't have a stupid streak in there at some point. Getting artest and wells were two of there best deals in a long time, and they were the only 2 who showed up in the playoffs.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think the spurs would think twice about getting wells, his attitude is not nearly as bad as Sjax but he has more talent then Jackson. Look what happened between Malone and Drob yet the spurs still went after him, look at Sprewell and what he did to one of our coaches yet we still considered signing him.


Absolutely. It's ridiculous to say the Spurs wouldn't want him for this reason. Malone knocked Robinson out once.

[Slinkyman]

Absolutely. It's ridiculous to say the Spurs wouldn't want him for this reason. Malone knocked Robinson out once.

There's no doubt the spurs want wells, look how much they valued Elson and Butler because they had good games against the spurs. Who had more success against us then wells last year? Now do the kings want to give the spurs Wells? probably not. But if they got something good in return they might do it, spurs need to find a team that wants Barry and would be willing the give up something the kings would want for wells. Presti is a master and making such deals work so i wouldn't put it past him if he finds a deal that works.

[T Park]

I would be very suprised if Bonzi came.


But I think TIMVP's CIA decoder ring hasn't worked once this offseason.

[venitian navigator]

Another point to consider is how much Bonzi wants to get paid...
Looking at sign and trade options, I think that a package of barry and E. Williams makes the chance to give him the money he desires...means 8 - 9 millions a year for two to, at least, four years. That's the sort of money he wants. No MLE 'cause he already rejected the Sac. offer of more than 7 a year for five years.
In don't know how many teams are willing and capable to offer such a contract.
And, imho, Scola + barry + e.will is way too much for a player that's already not part of the sac. team ... Scola is relatively young, next year will be in nba (with spurs or some other team) and will be very, very good for a lot of years to come.
The fair offer : barry + e. will + 1 or 2 second choices

[Gummi]

Bonzi Wells is one of the last guys I would want on the Spurs roster. He's been a problem everywhere he's played. I think it's a stupid to even think about since Bonzi is seeking a long term deal worth a lot of money. The Spurs aren't going to sign Bonzi for 5 years and $40 million+/-.

The Spurs have Manu, Bowen, Finley, and Barry to cover the swing positions and IMO that's good enough. I'd rather sign/trade for a younger player if the Spurs are going to make another move.

[T Park]

Was Bonzi a problem last year with Sacramento?

Uh no...

[Mavs<Spurs]

I find it highly unlikely that we will be able to get him since he will command more money than we could pay him.

However, remember all those problems getting rebounds with small ball lineups. Well, that would be a thing of the past if we got him.
I would take him a heart beat. Keep him off that 3 point line and get him driving to the basket and posting up and he is a beast. That's a man's rebound that he'll go up and get.

Many of the really good teams have match up advantages that they are able to exploit (e.g. Dallas). This would definitely give us a matchup advantage.


Also, judging from people's comments around here, hoopsworld is completely unreliable.

Too bad!

:madrun :madrun :madrun

[Mavs<Spurs]

Timvp seems to own Mr. Body.

:lol

Please don't do away with your CIA decoder ring.
It's too valuable. How else are we supposed to make sense of our offseason nonmoves?

[Gummi]

Well most players won't try to cause any problems in a contract year. Bonzi had problems in Portland and in Memphis.

He's had attitude problems since he played in college (and probaly in high-school too) and I'm sure it wouldn't stop if he signed here.

[Supergirl]

Eh. Spurs would be buying into the hype with Bonzi. One good playoffs and one decent season - when he knew he was playing for a contract - does not erase the fact that he's been a cancer on almost every team he's played for and been inconsistent AT BEST throughout his career. Barry's not that much older, in better shape, and a more solid role player off the bench.

And since I disagree with most everything the article says (as does most every analyst out there) about Butler, Elson, and Bonner, I don't really believe there's any truth to this article anyway.

[Dalhoop]

Actually, I don't see the match-up problem ... with the Mavs anyway.

Parker - Manu - Bowen as about the same as Parker - Wells - Bowen. Either way Howard gets to play defense on a SG, as Bowen is hardly worth guarding (until he steps into the corner)

The real problem would be Parker - Manu - Wells. That would be a problem with other teams but then the Mavs just come with Buckner and Howard to guard the Manu and Wells.

I don't really see the match-up problem.

The Spurs are not giving up much for such a player. Williams is about done, Barry is done and Scola .... He has yet to play at this level, it's like Oberto, you never know till they actualy play the game at this level. Its in a teams best interest to "talk up" the talent that they have or have aquired, both for their fans and for other teams that don't do the same level of homework before trades. I will believe Scola is "very good" when I see him play at this level.

I think I would look for a better deal then William, Barry and Scola for a player like Wells.

[Supergirl]

hoopsworld did claim Rasho wanted out of SA badly and asked to be traded, don't know if it was the same writer but they got that right.


Since when did Rasho ask to be traded? The post trade quotes had him lamenting being traded but chalking it up to being the best plan since he wasn't getting traded. But he gave the impression that he wanted to stay, as long as he's get played.

Hoopsworld loves to take things that writers bat around the office (much as they do on this message board) and print them up as "facts" and real life rumors.

[furry_spurry]

Actually, Rasho's agent talked to him about possible trades, and Rasho told him to keep an eye out for interest in his services. That isn't the same thing as asking the team to trade you- but everyone already knew they were going to try to do that anyway.

[AFBlue]

Bonzi is a real talent. A "power guard" as they often called him in the playoffs, he can post up smaller defenders and has a reliable outside shot (not from 3pt...that was a fluke). He has the tools to be a great defender (quickness, strength, size) and his agressiveness/intensity could be viewed as a positive just as easily as a negative. Having said all that, the Spurs have been wary of offering deals that last for more than three seasons (when all but Tim, Tony, and Manu's contracts are up) and I find it hard to believe the Spurs would offer between $8 and $9 million to a player who wasn't already established on this team like Tony and Manu were. Also, one of the noted goals of the FO was to get younger and more athletic on the wing. While Bonzi is certainly athletic, he is 29yrs old. I'm not saying he's a dinosaur, but I'm pretty sure that other options will become available once all teams start playing and figuring out which players are dispensable. Let's not overreact to our low-key off-season additions by trading away a great asset ($5 mil cap space) and a 40% 3pt shooter and award an $8 mil contract to a guy who played spectacular b-ball for 1 playoff series.

[leemajors]

Actually, I don't see the match-up problem ... with the Mavs anyway.

Parker - Manu - Bowen as about the same as Parker - Wells - Bowen. Either way Howard gets to play defense on a SG, as Bowen is hardly worth guarding (until he steps into the corner)

The real problem would be Parker - Manu - Wells. That would be a problem with other teams but then the Mavs just come with Buckner and Howard to guard the Manu and Wells.

I don't really see the match-up problem.

The Spurs are not giving up much for such a player. Williams is about done, Barry is done and Scola .... He has yet to play at this level, it's like Oberto, you never know till they actualy play the game at this level. Its in a teams best interest to "talk up" the talent that they have or have aquired, both for their fans and for other teams that don't do the same level of homework before trades. I will believe Scola is "very good" when I see him play at this level.

I think I would look for a better deal then William, Barry and Scola for a player like Wells.

buckner can't hold manu.

[Stephen A.Smith]

buckner can't hold manu.

BUCKNA ON GINOBLI? PUHLEEEEEAAAZZZZZZZZZZZZEEEE!

ridiculous.

[Obstructed_View]

buckner can't hold manu.
W3rd. Manu owns Buckner.

[Mr. Body]

Timvp seems to own Mr. Body.

:lol

Please don't do away with your CIA decoder ring.
It's too valuable. How else are we supposed to make sense of our offseason nonmoves?

Why? He claimed the Spurs would never look at Bonzi Wells, but a number of us have come on to prove him wrong with a list of players with worse histories the Spurs have gone after. He himself is the biggest Qyntel Woods backer, who is 10x the headcase Wells is.

Timvp enjoys a lot of cachet on this board, often rightfully so. He's like the boss everybody applauds heartily at the ring toss during the company picnic. But he's also at times wrong.

How do you know when timvp has lost an argument? He disappears from the thread.

[Beer is Good]

Why? He claimed the Spurs would never look at Bonzi Wells, but a number of us have come on to prove him wrong with a list of players with worse histories the Spurs have gone after. He himself is the biggest Qyntel Woods backer, who is 10x the headcase Wells is.

Timvp enjoys a lot of cachet on this board, often rightfully so. He's like the boss everybody applauds heartily at the ring toss during the company picnic. But he's also at times wrong.
How do you know when timvp has lost an argument? He disappears from the thread.
Brown nosing on an internet forum. What is this world coming to? :lol

[exstatic]

Actually, I don't see the match-up problem ... with the Mavs anyway.

Parker - Manu - Bowen as about the same as Parker - Wells - Bowen. Either way Howard gets to play defense on a SG, as Bowen is hardly worth guarding (until he steps into the corner)

The real problem would be Parker - Manu - Wells. That would be a problem with other teams but then the Mavs just come with Buckner and Howard to guard the Manu and Wells.

I don't really see the match-up problem.

The Spurs are not giving up much for such a player. Williams is about done, Barry is done and Scola .... He has yet to play at this level, it's like Oberto, you never know till they actualy play the game at this level. Its in a teams best interest to "talk up" the talent that they have or have aquired, both for their fans and for other teams that don't do the same level of homework before trades. I will believe Scola is "very good" when I see him play at this level.

I think I would look for a better deal then William, Barry and Scola for a player like Wells.

Dallas has no one that can guard Bonzi. He's 6'5" 250, and if you put a wing on him, he'll punish them in the post. If you cover him with a big, he'll drive around or shoot over the top. He presents the same types of matchup problems as Dirk. Unfortunately, he also plays defense like Dirk. :lol

[T Park]

He disappears from the thread

Or maybe hes working.

Reading a book.

Living life.


Stuff outside the forum :lol

[leemajors]

How do you know when timvp has lost an argument? He disappears from the thread.

there's only so many times you can refute wack arguments about Javtokas being worth the LLE or more before ennui sets in.

[T Park]

Unfortunately, he also plays defense like Dirk

Put him on Dirk.

Dirk is slow enough that he can keep up.

Long.

Strong and can push him around.


Perfect matchup for Bonzi.


Im all for it now.

Bring the nutcase in :lol

[exstatic]

Put him on Dirk.

Dirk is slow enough that he can keep up.

Long.

Strong and can push him around.


Perfect matchup for Bonzi.


Im all for it now.

Bring the nutcase in :lol
6'5" is nowhere near "long". Forget the neighborhood, it's not in the same city. If Dirk had little problem shooting over 6'7" Mike Finley, who was actually trying to defend, Wells would be an all you can shoot buffet for him.

[T Park]

Hes long armed though.

Hes also strong enough to body him up.

Fin wasn't strong enough to body him up.


Thats where your wrong :)

[El_Mago]

He disappears from the thread

:lol

:smokin

[MannyIsGod]

Why? He claimed the Spurs would never look at Bonzi Wells, but a number of us have come on to prove him wrong with a list of players with worse histories the Spurs have gone after. He himself is the biggest Qyntel Woods backer, who is 10x the headcase Wells is.

Timvp enjoys a lot of cachet on this board, often rightfully so. He's like the boss everybody applauds heartily at the ring toss during the company picnic. But he's also at times wrong.

How do you know when timvp has lost an argument? He disappears from the thread.Not that LJ needs me to help defend him but....

He's not hiding from you. If you prove him wrong, he'll man up. Get a grip dude, I'm sure he's not sitting there waiting for you to post so that he can follow up.

The only reason people give LJ props is because he's so often right on way before anyone ever sees it coming. I've seen it time and time and again. No one on this board knows the Spurs as well as LJ. No one.

You want to know when you've proven Mr. Body wrong? You've replied to one of his posts.

[Sway]

I really like Bonzi's game but I just dont see how he solves our problems. He is not a long 3 (too short to guard Dirk) and most importantly he wont be happy coming off the bench.

[Kori Ellis]

How do you know when timvp has lost an argument? He disappears from the thread.

Have you produced a credible source saying the Spurs are after Bonzi?

I'm not saying they aren't or they are but Hoopsworld reporting it doesn't make it's true.

Anyway, if you prove LJ wrong, he'll just admit it -- that's what he does.

And if he's not responding to a thread, that probably means he's having sex :angel, working, playing poker, basketball, or sleeping.

(TPark gave him too much credit saying he might be reading a book :lol)

[AlamoSpursFan]

Oh stop it Kori...y'all are married. Everyone knows married people don't get it on!

:lol

[Kori Ellis]

Oh stop it Kori...y'all are married. Everyone knows married people don't get it on!

:lol

I'm sorry you were married to MrsASF. :lmao Maybe MrsASF II will be different.

[KEDA]

I'm sorry you were married to MrsASF. :lmao Maybe MrsASF II will be different.


hell, just living with them means an auto cutoff!!!


thats why Meg isnt living with me!!! :elephant

[MannyIsGod]

hell, just living with them means an auto cutoff!!!


thats why Meg isnt living with me!!! :elephantMaybe its just you and ASF?

[timvp]

Why? He claimed the Spurs would never look at Bonzi Wells, but a number of us have come on to prove him wrong with a list of players with worse histories the Spurs have gone after.

How does that prove me wrong? Prove me wrong by showing me a non-Hoopsworld link saying the Spurs are after Bonzi Wells.

Again, I'm not saying I don't want Bonzi, I'm saying Pop and the Spurs don't want him.


He himself is the biggest Qyntel Woods backer, who is 10x the headcase Wells is.

And the Spurs have gone after him three times. That's why they'd go after him again.

Simple.


Timvp enjoys a lot of cachet on this board, often rightfully so. He's like the boss everybody applauds heartily at the ring toss during the company picnic. But he's also at times wrong.

When am I wrong?

:smokin


How do you know when timvp has lost an argument? He disappears from the thread.

That would be whottt. I'm still waiting on him to post in that Billion Barry thread from two years ago. . .

The rare times timvp loses an argument, he either admits it or blames Peter Holt.

[AlamoSpursFan]

I'm sorry you were married to MrsASF. :lmao Maybe MrsASF II will be different.

:lol

If there is ever a MrsASF II, I hereby BEG anyone in here to bust a very large, very loud cap off in my very dumb ass ASAFP! Permission to fire granted! Print out this post and present it to the officer who shows up to investigate. This is not murder...this was a mercy killing!

:lmao

[AlamoSpursFan]

"Oh yeah...that's my neighbor. He's married...kill him too!" -- Sam Kinison

:lol

[Beer is Good]

Not that LJ needs me to help defend him but....

He's not hiding from you. If you prove him wrong, he'll man up. Get a grip dude, I'm sure he's not sitting there waiting for you to post so that he can follow up.

The only reason people give LJ props is because he's so often right on way before anyone ever sees it coming. I've seen it time and time and again. No one on this board knows the Spurs as well as LJ. No one.

You want to know when you've proven Mr. Body wrong? You've replied to one of his posts.
:makeout :makeout :makeout ... you and timvp want a room?

pathetic.

[NorCal510]

this ninja hella raw sign this ninja uP!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

this ninja hella raw sign this ninja uP!
The hell did you just say?

[El_Mago]

... you and timvp want a room?

pathetic.

:lol :lol :lol

[violentkitten]

bonzi wells wouldnt be a bad 'small ball' 4. if the spurs have a shot at adding him they should. what are they waiting for, 2038?

[AFBlue]

bonzi wells wouldnt be a bad 'small ball' 4. if the spurs have a shot at adding him they should. what are they waiting for, 2038?\

Actually they're waiting on 2008, not 2038. That's when everyone but Tim, Tony, and Manu come off the books. The Spurs should have significant cap space to go after a couple above-average pieces or one budding superstar to grab the reigns from TD in a few years. Having an extra $8 or 9 million (if they pass on a S&T for Bonzi) in that year will go a LONG way.

[violentkitten]

yeah like they picked up a budding slovenian superstar in 2003. trade for star talent dont expect it to sign outright in free agency.

[ducks]

if you get wells would you bring manu off the bench?


manu plays very well off the bench would wells?

[Solid D]

Spurs Throw in for Bonzi Wells

By Bill Ingram
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Jul 29, 2006, 14:37

other news sources..... <*sound of crickets*>

[MannyIsGod]

:makeout :makeout :makeout ... you and timvp want a room?

pathetic.
Case in point man, case in point. Why are so many of you new comers so damn weak with your takes?

Where are the new Solid Ds? Where are the new Timvps? Where are the new Ed Helicopter Jones?

They don't exsist. You new guys are weak as hell. Bring a solid take or just stfu.

[El_Mago]

i'm pretty sure pop would use that technique throughout the season, but not for the entire season.....

manu would play the true pro and act cool about it, but deep down he would want to start.....

BUT, were not getting Wells....this rumor has gone too far.

[NorCal510]

The hell did you just say?
i said sign this ninja up he hella raw

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

i said sign this ninja up he hella raw
:lol If you say so.

[NorCal510]

:lol If you say so.
fo sho

[KEDA]

NorCal shall now be known as CASPER!!


because this dude is way too white!

[Streakyshooter08]

I don't think the Spurs are really going after Bonzi. MAYBE they would do something like Barry/ Williams for Wells but it would not help them a lot cap- wise and there is still FinDog... so I really doubt it

I could imagine that the Spurs are waiting till aug. 21th? and package Williams/ Barry/ X for somthing valueable...

[GrandeDavid]

I don't recall Fabricio Oberto ever being "highly touted" and I was unaware that the Spurs were in the running for Ben Wallace and he said "no". This guy is reaching a bit here.

[GrandeDavid]

Bonzi is going to bust with whoever signs him. He was playing for a contract last season. Once he gets his five-year deal, he's going to turn it off and call it a career.

I agree more with this assessment than anything else.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Bonzi Wells will be this offseason's Jerome James. He got his shit together for a contract year and had a good postseason and now he's banking on finding a GM with deep pockets and a short memory. I don't know where he'll land but I doubt he'll ever match his past season's numbers for them.

[AFBlue]

yeah like they picked up a budding slovenian superstar in 2003. trade for star talent dont expect it to sign outright in free agency.

Jason Kidd and Jermaine O'Neal were the superstars that year....Rasho and Hedo were the consolation prizes for losing out on the big names. Clearly they weren't worth their contracts, but neither was viewed as the budding superstars...just good young kids with potential to fill roles.

It's tough to predict who will be available and relevant in 08, but one superstar or two role players would likely be better than a 32 yr old Bonzi Wells @ 8 or 9 mil.

BTW...Dwight Howard would be available if he doesn't sign an extension next summer (which he probably will). Wouldn't that be awesome! Tim becomes the Admiral and Howard becomes TD.

[TDMVPDPOY]

BTW...Dwight Howard would be available if he doesn't sign an extension next summer (which he probably will). Wouldn't that be awesome! Tim becomes the Admiral and Howard becomes TD.

orlando still have his rights, so whatever we offer him, magic can just throw a max contract at him. whether he signs or not i dunno.

[Streakyshooter08]

It is a bit off topic but Dwight Howard+ TD would be absolutly incredible. Wasn't it 2008 when the Spurs only have the big 3 under contract? :) Enough dreaming...

[Beer is Good]

Case in point man, case in point. Why are so many of you new comers so damn weak with your takes?

Where are the new Solid Ds? Where are the new Timvps? Where are the new Ed Helicopter Jones?

They don't exsist. You new guys are weak as hell. Bring a solid take or just stfu.
Solid take? Who are you to judge what my take is, boy? Put down the Taco Cabana burrito and think about what you're typing before you do it.

You started that post with: "Not that LJ needs..."

You should have ended it with "Not". Everything past that had a strong homo-erotic undertone that was damn disturbing.

[Mr. Body]

It's funny, MannyIsWeak complaining about strength of posts. His SoP meter is... nonexistent, really. I forgot he was even around.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Jason Kidd and Jermaine O'Neal were the superstars that year....Rasho and Hedo were the consolation prizes for losing out on the big names. Clearly they weren't worth their contracts, but neither was viewed as the budding superstars...just good young kids with potential to fill roles.

The Jason Kidd Pipedream of the Spurs front office that year will go down as the all-time bonehead move of the Pop/RC era. We're still paying for it here in 2006.

[Beer is Good]

The Jason Kidd Pipedream of the Spurs front office that year will go down as the all-time bonehead move of the Pop/RC era. We're still paying for it here in 2006.
I agree there. I will never understand why they wanted to make that deal so badly. Especially at the expense of a young, talented PG who became our all star this year. Replace one young PG with no jump shot but a future with one old PG with no future or jump shot.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Kidd gets triple doubles. Parker does not. Kidd Has A hotter girlfriend/wife than Parker.




Parker doesn't smack Eva around, though. I remember all the rumors that Kidd's wife was the one who vetoed the deal because she didn't want to come to give up her tiny bit of celebrity as a NY correspondent for Entertainment Tonight. :lol

[timvp]

Mr. Body, you got a link yet to a credible source that says the Spurs are after Bonzi Wells? If a mickey mouse outfit like Hoopsworld "knows", surely others would have figured it out be now.

Link me up.

[mabber]

Parker doesn't smack Eva around, though. I remember all the rumors that Kidd's wife was the one who vetoed the deal because she didn't want to come to give up her tiny bit of celebrity as a NY correspondent for Entertainment Tonight. :lol

I bet Eva would like it if TP did smacked her around a little :lol I still can't believe she told the press that she had to teach him a lot in the bed...that he didn't know much. TP should have smacked her good for saying that :lol

[Mr. Body]

Mr. Body, you got a link yet to a credible source that says the Spurs are after Bonzi Wells? If a mickey mouse outfit like Hoopsworld "knows", surely others would have figured it out be now.

Link me up.

No. We have a paper argument here either way.

[Spurs rock]

I bet Eva would like it if TP did smacked her around a little :lol I still can't believe she told the press that she had to teach him a lot in the bed...that he didn't know much. TP should have smacked her good for saying that :lol

LMFAO is that true? :lol

[AdmiralMVP]

The Maloofs aren't this stupid. Maybe if Bonzi played for the Knicks.

The Knicks might as well sign Wells. Seems like they're collecting SF/SGs over there.

[50 cent]

This is sure a long thread for something that has about a .000000001% chance of happening.

[Mr. Body]

This is sure a long thread for something that has about a .000000001% chance of happening.

If you look at it, this thread is actually about .000000001% content.

[ChumpDumper]

off









season

[Obstructed_View]

If you look at it, this thread is actually about .000000001% content.
And yet it's still more interesting than baseball.

[50 cent]

And yet it's still more interesting than baseball.
Can't argue with that.

Carry on... :lol