Bonzi or Q-Rich?

[AFBlue]

I started to suggest Quentin Richardson as an alternative in my response to the "Bonzi Wells" thread and figured it was a decent enough thought to get your opinion on it.

Quentin Richardson is a Power Guard, like Bonzi, who can shoot the long ball, take players off the dribble, post them up, and rebound. He has the ability (size, strength, speed) to be a defensive force an guard 2 or 3 positions. He is only 26, versus Bonzi who is 29, and he comes with much less attitude.

Some might argue that he's a spot shooter, but I would say that he only became the 3pt specialist while in Phoenix. Before then he had a much more versatile offensive game.

I would also say that now is the prime opportunity to snag him. The Knicks have signed Jared Jeffries to an offer sheet, and have been trying to create cap and roster space by trading one of their current players. According to ESPN, one of those players is Quentin Richardson. I don't think it's unrealstic that Isaiah would be willing to take back an expiring contract and a piece player w/ less years and money than Q-Rich in return.

I'm not necessarily advocating that the Spurs grab a player who hasn't lived up to his contract thus far (mostly due to nagging injuries and fluctuating playing time), but if it's true that we are considering Bonzi Wells, I'd cast my vote for a younger, slightly cheaper, and more well-behaved player in Q-Rich.

What do you think?

[El_Mago]

No thankyou.

Q plays no defense and he's been in the league enough to attempt to play it, but just doesn't do it. I'm not convinced when you say that he can create his own shot off the dribble or rebound. He's never been known as a low post threat.

What he is now is pretty much a spot up shooter, but inconsistent as well.

I would take Bonzi because he's a much better overall player, but he too does not play defense.

[Leetonidas]

He also has a bad back.

[Big P]

And a horrendous contract.

[AFBlue]

No thankyou.

Q plays no defense and he's been in the league enough to attempt to play it, but just doesn't do it. I'm not convinced when you say that he can create his own shot off the dribble or rebound. He's never been known as a low post threat.

What he is now is pretty much a spot up shooter, but inconsistent as well.

I would take Bonzi because he's a much better overall player, but he too does not play defense.

Just because Q played no defense in the past doesn't mean he doesn't have the capacity to play d. We've got a history of bringing in players that were never known as defensive stoppers and turning them into respectable defenders. It's one thing we do well. So I doubt that would stop us from getting him.

Secondly, you probably didn't see him play when he was on the worst team in basketball at the time (Clippers) or you would know he's very capable of posting up smaller players and driving the ball. The Knicks brought him in to do more than just shoot threes like he did in Phoenix and were convinced that Larry could break him of the habit. Only, he didn't get enough consistent minutes because of fluctuating line-ups and injury. Oh and he wasn't very incosistent a couple years ago when he played for the Suns...he led the league in three pointers made.

As far as productivity, they are nearly identical for their careers (12ppg 4+rpg), it's just the short term memory of Bonzi having an insane playoff series and Q-Rich having an off year.

As far as his "bad back", I think it's a concern but hadn't heard much about it before it was quoted in the same article that mentioned him as trade bait. I'm not lobbying us to get Q-Rich, but I think he's a superior option to Bonzi and could be had for cheaper.

[ChumpDumper]

chucker + bad back + huge contract = :wtf

[AFBlue]

And a horrendous contract.

His contract is $7.5 mil a year...what would Bonzi's be? I'm just saying as compared to Bonzi, he would cost a little less and is younger.

[AFBlue]

chucker + bad back + huge contract = :wtf


Again, only a "chucker" for one year in Phoenix, and his contract would be no more than Bonzi would ask for.

I keep hearing about this "bad back" but am unable to find any history on it. He's played in over 60 games since he came in this league before this year, except for one season w/ 59, and detail on him about getting shut down for the season last year was a sprained thumb. Someone please enlighten me as to his chronically "bad back".

[ChumpDumper]

I saw him chucking in LA and NY too -- just in New York everybody else was breaking plays too so it was only slightly less noticeable. He still ended up shooting 36%, so I don't know how you could say he got any better. In fact he hasn't shot over 40% since his 2nd year in the league.

That's a chucker.

[Kori Ellis]

I know that he missed time this past season because of the back problem. I don't know that he had back issues in previous years.

January 2006:

The season has been one of pain and personal misfortune for Quentin Richardson. He attended the Knicks' three-hour practice Sunday, but, because of a back injury that has regressed rather than healed, he is not expected to face the Phoenix Suns on Monday night at Madison Square Garden

December 2005:

Knicks starter Quentin Richardson left with 6:05 remaining in the half because of back spasms. He had six points and six rebounds in 16 minutes.

Quentin Richardson
“I figure it (back spasms) is not that big of a deal. I plan on playing (vs. Milwaukee), but at the same time I still have to play it by ear and see how I am feeling and see how everything goes.”

[MannyIsGod]

Qrich is horrible. How is this even debateable?

[Kori Ellis]

Oh and ChumpDumper is right .. he defines chucker. He hasn't shot 40% since 01-02. That's pathetic.

[TheSanityAnnex]

And when was the last time Bonzi avg'd 4 rpg?

[Kori Ellis]

And when was the last time Bonzi avg'd 4 rpg?

05-06 when he averaged 7.7 :angel

[TheSanityAnnex]

05-06 when he averaged 7.7 :angelthats right, and he also only led the entire playoffs with 12 rpg. I believe he was only the first guard to do that in the history of the league. But I digress, QRich and Bonzi must have the same rebounding ability.

[Kori Ellis]

Seriously though Bonzi averages 5 rpg in the seasons he plays over 30mpg. Obviously his 7.7 this season was because it was a contract year. He's much better than Q though.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Seriously though Bonzi averages 5 rpg in the seasons he plays over 30mpg. Obviously his 7.7 this season was because it was a contract year. He's much better than Q though.
I doubt it was because of a contract year. I really think it was because Brad Miller is such a puss on the glass. :lol

And Bonzi is much better than Q, but both of them are wanting big money, and neither is worth it anymore. If you guys could somehow get Bonzi for a 2 year lease, you'd have an instant Championship.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, if that meant slightly fewer shots of Eva during games, I'd have to consider it.

Chances are they would sit together though :pctoss

[spurschick]

Well, if that meant slightly fewer shots of Eva during games, I'd have to consider it.


:wtf What has Eva done to you? Besides, they really don't show her much on local broadcasts anymore, which makes up most of the broadcast schedule. Plus, it's not like she waves a huge sign saying, "Put the camera on me!" And when they do show her on national tv, it's for about 5-10 seconds. Get over it.

[ChumpDumper]

It's not a matter of >, it's a matter of seeing anyone who has nothing to do with the game too much during a game.

Eva doesn't need defending agaisnt me any more than she needs more face time during Spur games. Get over it.

[Gummi]

Neither of them are comming to the San Antonio. Do you guys really think that Pop and R.C. would even think about trading for Richardson? He has nothing to offer us. He's a mediocre player with a huge contract.

And Bonzi is not signing here. So put those crazy thoughts away people.

[mabber]

It's not a matter of >, it's a matter of seeing anyone who has nothing to do with the game too much during a game.

Eva doesn't need defending agaisnt me any more than she needs more face time during Spur games. Get over it.

It could be a lot worse, you could have to see Cuban 20+ times every game like I do. :depressed

[El_Mago]

Just because Q played no defense in the past doesn't mean he doesn't have the capacity to play d. We've got a history of bringing in players that were never known as defensive stoppers and turning them into respectable defenders. It's one thing we do well. So I doubt that would stop us from getting him.

Secondly, you probably didn't see him play when he was on the worst team in basketball at the time (Clippers) or you would know he's very capable of posting up smaller players and driving the ball. The Knicks brought him in to do more than just shoot threes like he did in Phoenix and were convinced that Larry could break him of the habit. Only, he didn't get enough consistent minutes because of fluctuating line-ups and injury. Oh and he wasn't very incosistent a couple years ago when he played for the Suns...he led the league in three pointers made.

As far as productivity, they are nearly identical for their careers (12ppg 4+rpg), it's just the short term memory of Bonzi having an insane playoff series and Q-Rich having an off year.

As far as his "bad back", I think it's a concern but hadn't heard much about it before it was quoted in the same article that mentioned him as trade bait. I'm not lobbying us to get Q-Rich, but I think he's a superior option to Bonzi and could be had for cheaper.

You're right, we bring in players and attempt to change them into respectable defenders. Problem is, Q does not have that capacity nor the desire to become one. Not even Larry Brown could get Q to play some defense. If he's going to continue to flare up with back problems (sorry but back problems always seem to linger) I have to question his chances to become a legit defender.

Yeah, I saw him play in Clipper land. All I saw was him was half-assing on defense, alley-ooping with Miles, and slaping himself on the head with his fists when he dunked....maybe if he would of not have been show boating....he could of gotten back on transition.

And most importantly, he's a chucker who to my knowledge has never come through in the clutch.

Pass.

By the way, he's not superior to Bonzi, and people should get off this Bonzi wells fantasy too.....he's not coming.

[spurschick]

It's not a matter of >, it's a matter of seeing anyone who has nothing to do with the game too much during a game.

Which, I say again, is not her fault. If you want to bitch about it, blame the media.


Eva doesn't need defending agaisnt me any more than she needs more face time during Spur games. Get over it.

It puzzles me why so many men dislike her. I could understand women being jealous, but there seem to be a lot more men who have some kind of problem with her.

No, she doesn't need me to defend her, but it bugs me when people attack others that they don't know. She goes to games because she loves Tony. She just so happens to be a celebrity and the national media loves to show celebrities at sporting events, i.e. Laker games. Would you have this much hate for another Spurs wife/girlfriend if the camera panned to them during the games?

Sorry, I know this thread is about Bonzi and Q-Rich... the Eva bashing just pisses me off.

[MannyIsGod]

To be fair Chump never said he disliked Eva, just that he wanted to see less of her.

[spurschick]

To be fair Chump never said he disliked Eva, just that he wanted to see less of her.

If he doesn't dislike her, what does it matter how many times they show her at the games? I would like to see a whole lot less of Cuban during Spurs/Mavs games, but that's mainly because I can't stand him. That's where I'm making the connection.

Besides, like I've already said, they don't show her on local broadcasts anymore, which makes up most of the game broadcasts. I don't know... I guess I just don't see what the big deal is whether they show her or not.

[MannyIsGod]

If he doesn't dislike her, what does it matter how many times they show her at the games? I would like to see a whole lot less of Cuban during Spurs/Mavs games, but that's mainly because I can't stand him. That's where I'm making the connection.

Besides, like I've already said, they don't show her on local broadcasts anymore, which makes up most of the game broadcasts. I don't know... I guess I just don't see what the big deal is whether they show her or not.Eh, I get annoyed at how much they show her at the games. I don't need to see her over and over, and they do still show her a lot. Or they did at the end of the season.

[TheSanityAnnex]

At least the show Eva with makeup on.

[raspsa]

If I had to pick one, definitely Bonzi.. reminds me a bit of Barkley .. can hit the outside shot but can go inside and wreak havoc.. now if only he could play consistent defense.. but then again, neither did Barkley..

[my2sons]

i keep reading about how dreadful q's defense is, but i don't remember bonzi ever being a defenisive jaugernaut himself. i would pass on both at the moment

[Big P]

His contract is $7.5 mil a year...what would Bonzi's be? I'm just saying as compared to Bonzi, he would cost a little less and is younger.


Sure, Q makes $7 mil this year, & in 2009-2010, he'll be making $9.3 mil..that is a horrendous contract...you think he's worth what Manu makes?

[Big P]

And besides this is a moot point, we will not be getting either one...where did this idea about Q come from anyways, is this a rumor or a fans fantasy? Sorry, been working for 10+ hours & didn't spell check..give me a fucking break.

[Slinkyman]

At least the show Eva with makeup on.

umm what?

[AFBlue]

And besides this is a mute point, we will not be getting either one...where did this idea about Q come from anyways, is this a rumor or a fans fantasy?

Not rumor, or fan fantasy actually. I just read the thread about the rediculous idea of getting Bonzi Wells from the Kings and figured if we were going after power guards w/ bloated contracts I'd rather have Q-Rich. I'm actually not advocating getting either, but I put the scenario out there to see what others thought. Glad to hear everyone thinks it's a bad idea.

Having said that, I think that Q-Rich and Bonzi are virtually the same player w/ potentially bad contracts and their own set of different risks. I don't see how some could view giving Bonzi $8 mil a year for the next four years is a smart move...it would be the same or worse than trading for Quentin Richardson.

I maintain what I've maintained all along....that we should wait for some young swingman to become expendable or hit the doghouse and use our leverage (cap space in the form of Eric Williams) to acheive the goal of getting a young swingman.

BTW it's moot point, not mute...for future reference

[ShoogarBear]

And besides this is a mute pointSPEAK LOUDER, THEN!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

With Al Harrington headed back to Indy, doesn't that make Jax available? If so, I'll take 3 Jaxes and a Bonzi before I even look at QRich, and when I do finally take a look at QRich, it's with the stink-eye!!!

Quentin Richardson??? No way. Overpriced and (was) over-rated.

Oh, and he's been in the league long enough to prove that he will never be a decent defender. Pulease.

Hell, give me 4 Jumaine Joneses and we'll call it a day! :spin

[TDMVPDPOY]

q.r thinks his a sharpshooter behind the arc, which he isnt = chucker

[Phenomanul]

SPEAK LOUDER, THEN!

:lol :lol At the onamatopea........

[AFBlue]

And when was the last time Bonzi avg'd 4 rpg?

Career numbers...identical

But the point is well taken:

Bad Contracts...identical
Risk Level....identical
Payoff...subpar

I'd say get neither but just wanted to know what yall thought.

[The_Matrix]

basketball wise the above posters have already told us why he sucks and won't be on spurs any time soon...

I will give you a different spin...
with QRich comes this....

http://www.magixl.com/caric./starsb/brandy.gif

Quentin and Brandy broke off their engagement a while back. Now there is no reason at all to trade for him.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao at the ferocious defense of overexposure.

[tlongII]

Bonzi is a very good player, but he is not a nice guy.

[The III]

Brandy and QRich aren't together anymore anyway.

[baseline bum]

I'd take Q on the Spurs just because I have a friend who gets first row tickets from him everytime he visits Staples.

[Louis]

Bonzi Wells is a lot better than any of the Spurs (besides Duncan)

[Louis]

Bonzi is a very good player, but he is not a nice guy.


I take production over "nice guys" any day

[NBA Junkie]

Q-Rich is a more expensive version of Brent Barry.

Differences are that he's a better rebounder and interior scorer than Bones, but is a worse defender and a less polished passer.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Bonzi Wells is a lot better than any of the Spurs (besides Duncan)

Yeah, Bonzi has two rings and has been an all-star (both Parker and Ginobili)!?
:rolleyes

C'mon, Bonzi couldn't carry the jock of either Ginobili or Parker! He's a good player who is very good at a couple of things, but he doesn't make his teamates better and has always been one of the worst cancers in the league. One playoff series doth not make a Manu or TP! They've proven themselves to be better players in far less time, and what has Bonzi done? He's played a great series against us in 2006, averaged 12.8/4.7/2.3/1.37 shooting .464 .335 .712 over an unremarkable 10 yr xareer, and a total of 36 playoff games. But no, he's A LOT better than Manu or TP.

PWNED. :smokin

Shmuck.

Get your head checked. :spin

[ShoogarBear]

Q-Rich is a more expensive version of Brent Barry.

Differences are that he's a better rebounder and interior scorer than Bones, but is a worse defender and a less polished passer.
You forgot that Q-Rich can't hold Barry's jock as a shooter.

[Jheum Jhang]

You forgot that Q-Rich can't hold Barry's jock as a shooter.

jes you are right. it just................ slip through his fingers. hehehehe :hat

[RON ARTEST]

well i dont think bonzi is going there anyway because geoff petrie isnt going to do something retarted like that, he is one of the best general managers in the league and he has made very good moves so far. thank god for kevin martin

[NBA Junkie]

You forgot that Q-Rich can't hold Barry's jock as a shooter.

Damn. I just looked at Q-Rich' career FG% stats and they are awful. FWIW, Barry's lifetime 3-pt FG% of .401 matches Richardson's lifetime FG% of .401.

Piss poor analogy on my part.

:owned

[L.I.T]

Q-Rich? Aside from the ass-annoying nickname, has become a fairly useless player. He's quickly degenerating into a hobo version of Nick Anderson.

In the realm of fantasy trades, Bonzi. As long as he comes at the right price and with the right attitude (as in suck it up and come off the bench) he'd be ok.

[ShoogarBear]

Q-Rich is the only NBA player I watch and consistently say to myself, shit, I could have come closer than that.

The only guy with more embarassing misses would be Antoine Walker.

[mabber]

Q-Rich is the only NBA player I watch and consistently say to myself, shit, I could have come closer than that.

The only guy with more embarassing misses would be Antoine Walker.

Yeah, it's amazing to me that Q-Rich is still in the league. You knew he had nothing when the Suns didn't want him anymore after their great season a couple of years ago with him in the starting lineup.