George Officially signs with Mavs

[big3bigD]

D. George officially came to terms with the Mavericks today.

The deal is worth around 4.2 mil over two years with the second year being a player option so the george can potentially test the market again next season.

I think that this is a good signing for the mavs, but he will not really pay any dividends until the post season.

Do you Spurs fans find this signifigant at all or do you see him being stuck on the bench with no minutes available?

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you paying him four times his worth?

[E20]

Why does anybody really care????????????????????/

[George Gervin's Afro]

Ok all together now "who cares?"

[big3bigD]

Why are you paying him four times his worth?

I'm not too sure. I was also surprised to see that he got so much. My only guess is that the Suns drove up the price. The original deal was supposed to be for the vet. min. He's not really worth that much money, but he could be valuable at times.

[big3bigD]

Why does anybody really care????????????????????/

LOL.

It's at least more relevant than Luis Scola speculation, and will have alot more impact than your Eric Williams acquisition.

That's my question though... Do you as fans of a rival team see this as an insignifigant signing, or do think that he will be productive against your team?

[mabber]

Why are you paying him four times his worth?

I'm not paying him a dime. I would assume Cuban is paying him four times his worth cuz he can.

[ChumpDumper]

Cuban got spooked by Phoenix.

[TDMVPDPOY]

m.daniels > george

[big3bigD]

Ok all together now "who cares?"

OK cool guy. This is NBA news in the NBA forum.

I would think that a Spurs fan might care if their division rivals continue to improve at almost every position while the Spurs do nothing signifigant.

[big3bigD]

m.daniels > george

I agree that Daniels is a better overall talent, but I think that his descision making and redundant slashing ability are what made him expendable.

George fits the Mavs needs and AJ's system much better.

[mabber]

m.daniels > george

He's not replacing Daniels and unless there are injuries, he won't even be playing as much as Daniels did.

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

It's now safe to say that the Spurs will win every game against the Mavs after this "monumental" acquisition!

[George Gervin's Afro]

LOL.

It's at least more relevant than Luis Scola speculation, and will have alot more impact than your Eric Williams acquisition.

That's my question though... Do you as fans of a rival team see this as an insignifigant signing, or do think that he will be productive against your team?


who cares?

[George Gervin's Afro]

OK cool guy. This is NBA news in the NBA forum.

I would think that a Spurs fan might care if their division rivals continue to improve at almost every position while the Spurs do nothing signifigant.


You can post whatever you want in the NBA forum but I think it's ridiculous to try and envision what might happen. Why don't you ask the same thing about Croshere or AJ? In the end it's about the Spurs for us fans. The years we were successful it did not matter what anyone did to us because we imposed our will on everybody we played.

[Jheum Jhang]

You can post whatever you want in the NBA forum but I think it's ridiculous to try and envision what might happen. Why don't you ask the same thing about Croshere or AJ? In the end it's about the Spurs for us fans. The years we were successful it did not matter what anyone did to us because we imposed our will on everybody we played.

wooks wike somebody is jealous. he just asked what u zink of zis signing. ze only reazon zu are getting mad is because u know it is good deal, no?

[big3bigD]

You can post whatever you want in the NBA forum but I think it's ridiculous to try and envision what might happen. Why don't you ask the same thing about Croshere or AJ? In the end it's about the Spurs for us fans. The years we were successful it did not matter what anyone did to us because we imposed our will on everybody we played.

I didn't ask about the other signings because they are not current news that just happened hours ago.

I see your point about not being worried about other team and just focusing on the Spurs, but do you think that with their lack of improvement in the off-season, that they will still be able to impose their will? I don't. Not unless they make another move. The Mavs have been ver "Spur-esque" with their moves these last couple of years, signing serviceable talent at a good price and getting very lucky in the last three drafts.

I have always been the first to admit when the Mavs were outclassed by the Spurs. I do not feel like that is the case any longer. With the exception of getting Butler, the Spurs core is the same and just getting older, which brings me back to the relevancy of this thread.

Nobody ever claimed this to be a "monumental" signing, but it just is one more thing in the Mavs favor........

[big3bigD]

It's now safe to say that the Spurs will win every game against the Mavs after this "monumental" acquisition!

NO doubt that you guys are good to go. Williams, Butler and an improved Oberto will have you guys winning at least 70 games. I can't believe all of the sik moves that the Spurs have made this year!

[big3bigD]

who cares?

Once again, I would imagine that a Spurs fan would care with so many teams in the West making improvements and the Spurs just standing still or moving backwards.
The mavs, suns and clippers can all beat the Spurs in a series right now as the rosters stand.
That doesn't mean that the Spurs cannot beat them as well, but I would think that a Spurs fan might care that his team is slipping fast....

[mabber]

Wow, 32 of the Mavs 82 games are nationally televised (including 9 of their 16 games in December).

[confined]

o yeah i heard a barry for garnett trade too...seeing as how ur trash is so much better than our bench. :rolleyes ..and our bench just got deeper

[LEONARD]

Wow, 32 of the Mavs 82 games are nationally televised (including 9 of their 16 games in December).

:smokin :fro

What about the Spares?

[mabber]

:smokin :fro

What about the Spares?

I'd guess in the mid-20's since they're still one of the top 4 teams in the league.

[ChumpDumper]

26. Great for such a boring, small market team.

:hat

[big3bigD]

26. Great for such a boring, small market team.

:hat

LOL. Not that your post wasn't dripping with sarcasm, but it really IS great for a small market team. I never said that the Spurs are boring, but the ratings...... As long as they keep winning, the Spurs will get thier TV games.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey the Mavs are a boring, big market team.

[big3bigD]

Hey the Mavs are a boring, big market team.

If by boring, you mean higher scoring and better ratings....lol

[mabber]

Hey the Mavs are a boring, big market team.

Yeah they are, but the perception is still out there that they're a run & gun type team. They're in the process of becoming very similar to the Spurs since that's the way to win titles.

[big3bigD]

Yeah they are, but the perception is still out there that they're a run & gun type team. They're in the process of becoming very similar to the Spurs since that's the way to win titles.

Well said. I don't personally find the Spurs style boring. I would love for the Mavs to be "boring" enough to win three rings.

[DarrinS]

D. George officially came to terms with the Mavericks today.



Who?

[big3bigD]

Who?

Devean George... An actual NBA player with quality eperience... You should probably go back to discussing which one of the Argentenian team's bench players the Spurs are looking at... or go discuss Jackie Butler's hidden potential... You know, those huge blockbuster names the Spurs are working.

[BigVee]

Since you asked a legitimate question and got a bunch of horseshit answers, I will give you a serious one. Living in LA, I have watched D George play a whole lot of times. He is one of those guys who will look great for stretches when there is not much pressure on....I think he was MVP of the the LA summer league more than once. Then he will have games where he is just awful. Takes bad shots, stupid fouls, etc...He will do okay during the season, spelling guys here and there or filling in for injured players. But, come playoff time, he won't add much. The players the Mavs have now are much, much better. So, no I don't see this as a significant signing.

[pking]

Would this have gotten so many smart-assy responses had it been 'George officially signs with Suns' ??

It's the NBA News forum.

[mabber]

Since you asked a legitimate question and got a bunch of horseshit answers, I will give you a serious one. Living in LA, I have watched D George play a whole lot of times. He is one of those guys who will look great for stretches when there is not much pressure on....I think he was MVP of the the LA summer league more than once. Then he will have games where he is just awful. Takes bad shots, stupid fouls, etc...He will do okay during the season, spelling guys here and there or filling in for injured players. But, come playoff time, he won't add much. The players the Mavs have now are much, much better. So, no I don't see this as a significant signing.

No one said it was. He's gonna be the 3rd string 3 (maybe backup 3 at times). He's a decent signing for being the Mavs 11th-12th guy (6th-7th off the bench) though. Mav's FO thinks they lost the finals (after being up 2-0) because of the youth & inexperience of their bench and because they didn't have enough shooters off the bench....hence the A.Johnson, Croshere, Buckner & George signings. They've replaced D.Armstrong, Van Horn, Griffin & Powell with those 4 and I think it's an upgrade at every position.

[mavsfan1000]

I think that was a good acquisition considering that was Dallas's weakspot. Josh Howard struggles with strong 3's so now George can come in more to guard them.

[timvp]

George was good for the minimum. Giving actual money to him is pretty dumb.

[stretch]

D. George officially came to terms with the Mavericks today.

The deal is worth around 4.2 mil over two years with the second year being a player option so the george can potentially test the market again next season.

I think that this is a good signing for the mavs, but he will not really pay any dividends until the post season.

Do you Spurs fans find this signifigant at all or do you see him being stuck on the bench with no minutes available?

hey big3bigD. whats up with the FWST forum? Island_dude sent me an e-mail, and he said something happened in the cowboys forum or something, so they shut the boards down. those cowboy fans are stupid. they never did anything but talk about politics and be racist and crap. anyways, good to see you on this forum. i finally decided to register here again.

anyways, i think this is a nice signing by the mavs. sure, he isnt a big name, but he does have big game experience, can play some physical D, is athletic, and usually hits his open threes, which is what this team needs. hopefully it works out. its been an interesting offseason so far, and i cant wait till the season starts. its going to be great to see the rivalry between the spurs and mavs continue. hopefully the mavs can stay on top.

[judaspriestess]

:sleep ..................

[ChumpDumper]

hey big3bigD. whats up with the FWST forum? Island_dude sent me an e-mail, and he said something happened in the cowboys forum or something, so they shut the boards down.That was me. All part of my master to make SpursTalk the #1 Mavs site in the world.

[big3bigD]

Since you asked a legitimate question and got a bunch of horseshit answers, I will give you a serious one. Living in LA, I have watched D George play a whole lot of times. He is one of those guys who will look great for stretches when there is not much pressure on....I think he was MVP of the the LA summer league more than once. Then he will have games where he is just awful. Takes bad shots, stupid fouls, etc...He will do okay during the season, spelling guys here and there or filling in for injured players. But, come playoff time, he won't add much. The players the Mavs have now are much, much better. So, no I don't see this as a significant signing.

LOL. Thanks for a legit response.

This is an interesting perspective, that you have seen him play alot. I can remember him having some killer games against the old Mavs teams, and wondering why he never got more run. I asked a friend of mine from LA( loves the Lakers) that question and got basically the same response, that he would be frustrating and good in stretches. I guess that definately explains his minutes...

There is no doubt that he is being overpaid by Cuban now....

[big3bigD]

George was good for the minimum. Giving actual money to him is pretty dumb.

I agree. I can see giving him a couple hundred K over the min., but 2 million is 1 million too much.

[big3bigD]

hey big3bigD. whats up with the FWST forum? Island_dude sent me an e-mail, and he said something happened in the cowboys forum or something, so they shut the boards down. those cowboy fans are stupid. they never did anything but talk about politics and be racist and crap. anyways, good to see you on this forum. i finally decided to register here again.

anyways, i think this is a nice signing by the mavs. sure, he isnt a big name, but he does have big game experience, can play some physical D, is athletic, and usually hits his open threes, which is what this team needs. hopefully it works out. its been an interesting offseason so far, and i cant wait till the season starts. its going to be great to see the rivalry between the spurs and mavs continue. hopefully the mavs can stay on top.

Hey Stretch. I'm glad that you ran across this thread. That forum has been discontinued, I'm not sure why. Alot of those Cowboys guys are on the Eagles forum now, returning the favor I guess. They are sister boards, so your username and password will still work over there. Island and I have been posting over at dallasbasketball.com. It's a really good board. You should go register over there also if you have not already. Those guys know their stuff, and it stays pretty busy. I like posting over here sometimes to get an opposing viewpoint. Sometimes Mavs fans have to sift through alot of BS, but there are some good posters here also.

George is a very good 12th or 13th man, I just hope that it doesn't come to the Mavs needing him to play signifigant minutes. He is definately a huge step up from Powell or Marshall, and could relieve some of the load during the regular season. I thought that he would be good during the playoffs because of his experience, but he doesn't seem to carry that reputation.

[big3bigD]

That was me. All part of my master to make SpursTalk the #1 Mavs site in the world.

LMAO. Looks like it's working. I have been shocked at how many Mavs fans are over here.

[big3bigD]

:sleep ..................
It bores you that the Mavs' 12th man is better than the Spurs 8th?

[mavsfan1000]

It's also too bad that the bench doesn't get played more than it does and it's only a 48 minute game. Otherwise having a 12th man might mean something.

[dav4463]

I do not consider George to be anything worth worrying about. I see the Mavericks as a nice little team who overachieved this year, made a nice run, and then had their hearts ripped out by Dwayne Wade. The Mavericks may never get that close again. Everything went their way up until the finals. They seemed to be a shoo-in to win the championship and then it all fell apart. You could see the frustration in the Mav faces and hear the boos of the fans even as the Heat accepted the NBA championship trophy. The Maverick stars were aligned right this season. This past season was their best chance to win a title and it didn't happen. Dirk criticized Cuban (rightfully so) and this lovable Maverick family may start bickering...who knows..this team probably realizes that they blew a huge chance.

As for the Spurs, not much improvement is needed. The Spurs just weren't quite themselves last year. Tony was banged up at playoff time. Manu was injured a lot of the year. Tim had the foot problems all season. Pop played smallball.... Yet, this team still won 63 games and were one bad Ginobli foul away from beating the oh-so powerful Mavericks.

Face it, Mav fans...this season was a fluke and chances are...you will NEVER, EVER get this close again. I don't think the Spurs are near as worried about the Mavericks as the fans and Cuban want them to be. The Mavericks are no more a rivalry than the Rockets or the Suns. Mavs get lucky and win a playoff series last season. Spurs can forget about it and move on. To lose an NBA FINALS series in such a choking fashion is something the Mavericks will be thinking about a long time. That would be frustrating to me.

[Mavs_man_41]

I do not consider George to be anything worth worrying about. I see the Mavericks as a nice little team who overachieved this year, made a nice run, and then had their hearts ripped out by Dwayne Wade. The Mavericks may never get that close again. Everything went their way up until the finals. They seemed to be a shoo-in to win the championship and then it all fell apart. You could see the frustration in the Mav faces and hear the boos of the fans even as the Heat accepted the NBA championship trophy. The Maverick stars were aligned right this season. This past season was their best chance to win a title and it didn't happen. Dirk criticized Cuban (rightfully so) and this lovable Maverick family may start bickering...who knows..this team probably realizes that they blew a huge chance.

As for the Spurs, not much improvement is needed. The Spurs just weren't quite themselves last year. Tony was banged up at playoff time. Manu was injured a lot of the year. Tim had the foot problems all season. Pop played smallball.... Yet, this team still won 63 games and were one bad Ginobli foul away from beating the oh-so powerful Mavericks.

Face it, Mav fans...this season was a fluke and chances are...you will NEVER, EVER get this close again. I don't think the Spurs are near as worried about the Mavericks as the fans and Cuban want them to be. The Mavericks are no more a rivalry than the Rockets or the Suns. Mavs get lucky and win a playoff series last season. Spurs can forget about it and move on. To lose an NBA FINALS series in such a choking fashion is something the Mavericks will be thinking about a long time. That would be frustrating to me.

You are a moron, the mavericks didnt overachieve, they underachieved. They were the best team in the league this past year and didnt win the championship. By choking away a 2-0 lead against an outmatched miami heat team, the mavericks succeeded in underachieving.

[dav4463]

I'm not a moron for the record. I have a college degree.

Anyway, go back and look at the articles before last season (Ft.Worth Star Telegram, Dallas Morning News, Sporting News, whatever). The Mavericks were not picked to be as good as they were. Most people did not think they would be any better than a 4th or 5th seed. They went to the finals...that means they OVERACHIEVED....does it not? Also, as for being the best team all season.....who won the division? Spurs I believe and if Spurs were clicking on all cylinders...Spurs would have beat the Mavericks in the playoffs too.

[Mavs_man_41]

I'm not a moron for the record. I have a college degree.

Anyway, go back and look at the articles before last season (Ft.Worth Star Telegram, Dallas Morning News, Sporting News, whatever). The Mavericks were not picked to be as good as they were. Most people did not think they would be any better than a 4th or 5th seed. They went to the finals...that means they OVERACHIEVED....does it not? Also, as for being the best team all season.....who won the division? Spurs I believe and if Spurs were clicking on all cylinders...Spurs would have beat the Mavericks in the playoffs too.

Sorry but that doesnt make the mavericks a fluke. Flukes can happen in football, or any sport with a 1 game series. You dont win a 7 game series by fluke. The best team usually wins, which happened to be the mavericks this year during the semifinals.

[J.T.]

Sorry but that doesnt make the mavericks a fluke. Flukes can happen in football, or any sport with a 1 game series. You dont win a 7 game series by fluke. The best team always wins, which happened to be the mavericks this year during the semifinals.

You win a seven game series by a fluke when the officials call a foul on Duncan when Dirk steps on his foot, call Duncan for being inside the restrcited area when he's about two feet out, call Ginobili for a foul when he takes a swipe at air about five feet behind Jason Terry, and call Manu for out of bounds when he is still two feet away from the line in Game 7. God damn I wish the NBA could have coaches contest close calls like that with video replay like the NFL does because Mavs would've been iced in 6.

But I guess since you say there are no flukes in a seven game series, Mavs going up 2-0 on Miami and then dropping 4 straight wasn't a fluke either, was it? So I guess they sucked real bad after all.

[dav4463]

I'm calling the entire run the Mavericks made last season a fluke. The stars were aligned right. Rules were changed to benefit teams that don't play a lot of defense. Dirk had a career year. Stackhouse was solid (he's been known to blow up you know). By fluke, I don't mean that they are not a good team. I just mean that they played better this year than they really are...that is my opinion. I do not believe the team has as much overall talent as they think they have. Jason Terry played very well, but is he the point guard that can lead you all the way? Devin Harris had about 2 weeks of really hot play, but is he really that good? Dampier and Diop !....c'mon ! They aren't any better than Nazr and Rasho. At least the Spurs had the sense to make changes at that position.

[mabber]

I'm calling the entire run the Mavericks made last season a fluke. The stars were aligned right. Rules were changed to benefit teams that don't play a lot of defense. Dirk had a career year. Stackhouse was solid (he's been known to blow up you know). By fluke, I don't mean that they are not a good team. I just mean that they played better this year than they really are...that is my opinion. I do not believe the team has as much overall talent as they think they have. Jason Terry played very well, but is he the point guard that can lead you all the way? Devin Harris had about 2 weeks of really hot play, but is he really that good? Dampier and Diop !....c'mon ! They aren't any better than Nazr and Rasho. At least the Spurs had the sense to make changes at that position.

Dirk has improved every year he's been in the league so if you want to call it a "career year", technically you're right. With that logic, he's had a "career year" every year he's been in the league :lol I have no doubt he'll have another "career year" this year as there's no reason to think he won't improve again as he always does. Stackhouse was solid??? Stackhouse was his normal inconsistent self. Plays well one game, poorly the next. I suppose you remember him lighting up Barry in the series vs. the Spurs (anyone could do that :lol ) so you assumed he was like that the entire year. Did you see the finals? Stack barely showed up. You can call the Mav's year a fluke (your opinion) but at least get some accurate facts to back it up. And by the way, are the rules that "benefited teams that don't play alot of defense" changing back to the way they were? I must have missed that league memo :lol

[monosylab1k]

I'm not a moron for the record. I have a college degree.

I think Scott Peterson has one of those college degrees you speak of. Oh, so does Dexter Manley. You're in good company with that college degree of yours.

[George Gervin's Afro]

It bores you that the Mavs' 12th man is better than the Spurs 8th?


so if he is the 12th man on the bench WHY IN THE HELL WOULD WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT?.

[dav4463]

You are a moron, the mavericks didnt overachieve, they underachieved. They were the best team in the league this past year and didnt win the championship. By choking away a 2-0 lead against an outmatched miami heat team, the mavericks succeeded in underachieving.

If I am a moron then I am at the top of the mentally challenged field. You are an imbecile. If you dont know what that means I will explain... It means you are at the bottom of the retard zone. You can cry all you want but I can sit and admire my Three Championship Trophies. The only ring the mavericks have is around their collars. GO SPURS......

Heat wins, Heat wins.

[monosylab1k]

If I am a moron then I am at the top of the mentally challenged field. You are an imbecile. If you dont know what that means I will explain... It means you are at the bottom of the retard zone. You can cry all you want but I can sit and admire my Three Championship Trophies. The only ring the mavericks have is around their collars. GO SPURS......

Heat wins, Heat wins.

three rings and an asterisk!

[Obstructed_View]

Clutchest guy on the Mavs, which is to say, least un-clutch guy on the Mavs.

[Ozzman]

D. George officially came to terms with the Mavericks today.

The deal is worth around 4.2 mil over two years with the second year being a player option so the george can potentially test the market again next season.

I think that this is a good signing for the mavs, but he will not really pay any dividends until the post season.

Do you Spurs fans find this signifigant at all or do you see him being stuck on the bench with no minutes available?


ok. Hey, Big3, do u know why they shut down the Star telegram forums??

[big3bigD]

ok. Hey, Big3, do u know why they shut down the Star telegram forums??

Hey Ozzman, good to see you over here. I'm not sure why it is down, but I do not think that it will be back up anytime soon. Your username and password will still work on any Knightridder board though. Since the FWST went down, I have been posting at/reading this board and the one on dallasbasketball.com.

Island, Stretch, PTP, MavJuntha, and a few others have been over at dallasbasketball.com also. It's a good board as well, you should stop by....

[Mavs_man_41]

If I am a moron then I am at the top of the mentally challenged field. You are an imbecile. If you dont know what that means I will explain... It means you are at the bottom of the retard zone. You can cry all you want but I can sit and admire my Three Championship Trophies. The only ring the mavericks have is around their collars. GO SPURS......

Heat wins, Heat wins.

Lmao I try to explain to you how the mavs underachieved, and all you have is "you are an imbecile." Stfu and come up with a real reply, tell me how the mavs so called overachieved. Either that or just STFU.

[Ozzman]

Hey Ozzman, good to see you over here. I'm not sure why it is down, but I do not think that it will be back up anytime soon. Your username and password will still work on any Knightridder board though. Since the FWST went down, I have been posting at/reading this board and the one on dallasbasketball.com.

Island, Stretch, PTP, MavJuntha, and a few others have been over at dallasbasketball.com also. It's a good board as well, you should stop by....


I just may. Is the One on Dallas bball.com a knightridder too?

It think they just...deleted it or something. Strange, Eh?

[big3bigD]

I just may. Is the One on Dallas bball.com a knightridder too?

It think they just...deleted it or something. Strange, Eh?

DBBall.com isn't Knightridder, but alot of the country's newspaper boards are. I believe that several of those Cowboys posters are on the Philly Inquirer board now, returning the invasion favor I suppose. lol

It does seem strange to me also. That was a pretty well used board that had alot of traffic.

[FromWayDowntown]

Devean George... An actual NBA player with quality eperience... You should probably go back to discussing which one of the Argentenian team's bench players the Spurs are looking at... or go discuss Jackie Butler's hidden potential... You know, those huge blockbuster names the Spurs are working.

Because all of the "names" that the Lakers lured in the summer of 2003 proved that "names" win titles.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that with Devean George in the fold, the Mavericks are on pace to win 83-85 regular season games in 2006-07 and at least 18-20 playoff games.

[big3bigD]

Because all of the "names" that the Lakers lured in the summer of 2003 proved that "names" win titles.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that with Devean George in the fold, the Mavericks are on pace to win 83-85 regular season games in 2006-07 and at least 18-20 playoff games.

I guess that you are almost making sense.

Nobody ever said anything about big names winning rings. Quite the opposite in fact, if you would have taken the time to actually read the thread or the posts in it instead of posting a knee jerk response to a single post.... I actually have been posting the exact same thing that you just said, genuis.

Also, I'm not quite sure how Devean George became a "big name" either...

He is a solid role player who knows his place, he is just alot more relevant than all of your Luis Scola speculation.

Oh, yeah, how is Oberto working out for the Spurs? My point exactly.

Even if the Mavs win all those games, they will surely be outshined by the brilliance of Elson, Butler, Oberto, and Williams! Nice moves in the off season. Spurs are looking tough! LMFAO!!!!

[FromWayDowntown]

Nobody ever said anything about big names winning rings. Quite the opposite in fact, if you would have taken the time to actually read the thread or the posts in it instead of posting a knee jerk response to a single post....

I re-read the thread. You've pointed out repeatedly that the Mavericks are signing names like Devean George while the Spurs are seeking out no-names like Jackie Butler, Francisco Elson, and company. It seems to me that your point is that signing guys like George rather than the guys the Spurs have signed will make the Mavericks better than the Spurs. Since the Spurs seasons are utter failures if they don't play for rings in June, and since you're presumably arguing that the Mavericks are better than the Spurs because of who they've signed, I've deduced that your point must be that signing name players instead of no-name role players must be a route to rings.

Unless, of course, you're some wizard with rhetoric but have chosen to demonstrate that wizardry in some subtle way.


Also, I'm not quite sure how Devean George became a "big name" either...

I never said he was a "big name." I just accepted your premise that he's a "name."


He is a solid role player who knows his place, he is just alot more relevant than all of your Luis Scola speculation.

How true, particularly since Scola won't play a minute in the NBA in 2006-07. Wow -- you really made quite a powerful point there. A guy who will actually play in the NBA in 2006-07 is more relevant to the championship quest than a guy who won't play in the NBA next season. I hadn't really thought of it that way.


Oh, yeah, how is Oberto working out for the Spurs? My point exactly.

See, there you go with "names" vs. "no-names" again. Did the Spurs fail to win the title last year because Fabricio Oberto was on their roster instead of a guy like Devean George? I suppose that you must think so.


Even if the Mavs win all those games, they will surely be outshined by the brilliance of Elson, Butler, Oberto, and Williams! Nice moves in the off season. Spurs are looking tough! LMFAO!!!!

We'll see. There are two very different philosophies at play here, each keyed in part on the depth of the pockets sitting in the owner's chair. The Spurs have a history of adding "no-names" and winning titles. The Mavericks have a history of adding "names" and still haven't done squat. Hmmm, which of those approaches will I take? Hmmm. Hmmm. What a difficult question you've posed. I'll have to really ponder on that one.

[big3bigD]

Your deductions are both oversimplified and ignorant, so I will correct your mistakes:

1. Every player has a name that I am aware of. It isn't their name that makes the Mavs better. It is the signing of quality NBA guys who know how to win. Scola, Butler, Williams, nor anyome else that the Spurs have signed have any quality experience or signifigant history of contribution on any level.

2. Devean George is a "name" just as much as any role player or 12th-15th man can be, I guess.

3. Again, read the thread. My meaning by bringing up your useless Scola speculation was that the signing of quality players to a team that just lost in the Finals is FAR more relevent than most of the BS that is discussed on the Spurs side of the forum.

4. This isn't names V no names at all. Here is more oversimplification. These guys that you call "names", are "names" because of their experience and contributions in the NBA, which therefore makes them MUCH more discussion worthy than speculation about overseas players that have no league minutes but are still the Spurs savior, i.e. Oberto, Scola, blah, blah, blah.

I do think that the Spurs lost due to lack of depth and versatility, which they have not addressed at all. I also believe that the Mavs loss in the Finals was largely due to lack of experience, which they addressed completely.

5. Here is where you are the most incorrect. These are not two different approaches at all. The Mavs payroll is largely under control and is just a couple million more than your Spurs. If you REALLY had been reading the thread, you would have read that I said that the mavs have been very "Spur-esque" in their moves this season. They are not adding big contracts and big names at all, but have instead focused on value and role players to fit into AJ's system.

You are regurgutating old stereotypes about the Mavs. Basically, your Spurs have already had their day, and the Mavs are just entering theirs.

You need to actually follow the league and have some facts ready before your next post.

[FromWayDowntown]

1. Every player has a name that I am aware of. It isn't their name that makes the Mavs better. It is the signing of quality NBA guys who know how to win. Scola, Butler, Williams, nor anyome else that the Spurs have signed have any quality experience or signifigant history of contribution on any level.

Well, perhaps that's because they've never had the opportunity to play alongside dominant players.

Anthony Johnson wasn't a reason the Nets reached the Finals in 2002 and 2003; he contributed on that team, but they went deep because Kidd and Martin and Jefferson carried them that far and Johnson had the good fortune of being on that roster.

Austin Croshere wasn't a reason the Pacers reached the Finals in 2000; he contributed on that team, but they went deep because Miller and Rose and Smits were good enough to take them there and Croshere had the good fortune of being on that roster.

We got plenty of opportunity in San Antonio to see Devean George and the fairly minor role he played for LA during the playoff battles that the Spurs and Lakers fought from 2001-2004. Devean George has three rings and 4 Finals appearances because Shaq and Kobe carried him to 3 rings and 4 Finals appearances.

So, who knows -- given the opportunity to finally play with dominant players who get it done at playoff time, maybe we'll see contributions from Butler, Bonner, Elson, and company. In the end, the Spurs need about as much from them as the Nets, Pacers, and Lakers respectively got from Johnson, Croshere, and George.


2. Devean George is a "name" just as much as any role player or 12th-15th man can be, I guess.

You're the one comparing his name to Butler, Bonner, and Elson. I'm just playing off your cue.


3. Again, read the thread. My meaning by bringing up your useless Scola speculation was that the signing of quality players to a team that just lost in the Finals is FAR more relevent than most of the BS that is discussed on the Spurs side of the forum.

So, a team with limited needs addressing its needs is somehow irrelevant? I have to say that you lose me here because most knowledgeable Spurs fans would never make an argument -- and certainly wouldn't make such an argument in the last 2 months -- that Scola would have any real significance to the Spurs' title push in 2007. I'm not sure why you continue to harp on the Scola idea, because it's been clear since late June or early July that Scola wasn't going to be part of what the Spurs did in 2006-07.

I'm also not sure what standard of relevance you're using. Like I say, of course Devean George going to Dallas is more relevant to the 2006-07 NBA than Luis Scola staying in Europe. In the same sense, Fabricio Oberto is more relevant to that question than Pavel Podkolzin. So what?


4. This isn't names V no names at all. Here is more oversimplification. These guys that you call "names", are "names" because of their experience and contributions in the NBA, which therefore makes them MUCH more discussion worthy than speculation about overseas players that have no league minutes but are still the Spurs savior, i.e. Oberto, Scola, blah, blah, blah.

I don't know that anyone with any real knowledge has ever characterized either Oberto or Scola as "the Spurs savior." It would be asinine to make that argument. This summer has never been about finding a single player who can put the Spurs over the top. Frankly, while you dismiss them, the Spurs weren't terribly far from being over the top last season and I think they didn't have to find more talent as much as they had to find different talent. That's not about finding names with NBA experience to fill out a roster; it's about finding players with particular skill sets who compliment the core that's already in San Antonio and has already won multiple titles. I understand that you think that core is insufficient to beat down the mighty Mavericks, but I don't see it that way. And, given my view of things, I think it's been far more important that the Spurs to address their needs for athletic big men, longer wing-type players, and a credible back-up point guard. They didn't need grizzled NBA veterans who bring experience but don't fill those needs; they needed guys who bring those skills. When the Spurs face winning time in a playoff situation, Bonner, Butler, and Elson are terribly unlikely to be on the floor. The guys who've gotten it done -- Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Bowen, Horry -- are much, much more likely to be there. Despite what happened in the 2006 playoffs, that's still an awfully formidable group at closing time.


I do think that the Spurs lost due to lack of depth and versatility, which they have not addressed at all. I also believe that the Mavs loss in the Finals was largely due to lack of experience, which they addressed completely.

Okay. We'll agree to disagree. I think the Spurs have addressed their depth by finding useful players who make the roster more versatile. They're not names in the sense that you're positing any value to guys who've been part of deep playoff runs, but the Spurs title teams have been littered with guys who hadn't been "names" in the sense that you're using that term. What on Earth had Malik Rose or Stephen Jackson or Speedy Claxton or even Brent Barry done before the 1999, 2003 and 2005 title runs?


5. Here is where you are the most incorrect. These are not two different approaches at all. The Mavs payroll is largely under control and is just a couple million more than your Spurs. If you REALLY had been reading the thread, you would have read that I said that the mavs have been very "Spur-esque" in their moves this season. They are not adding big contracts and big names at all, but have instead focused on value and role players to fit into AJ's system.

Cuban has curbed his spending a bit, but spending and acquisitions are two different things. I'm not entirely sure that I know what roles the Mavericks expect guys like Buckner and George to fill, and I'm guessing that they're hopeful that neither will rock the boat when his minutes are inconsistent. If that works out, great for the Mavericks. But I'd wonder about the wisdom of trying to get minutes for 11-12 guys most nights. That approach generally hasn't worked in the NBA.

The Spurs essentially tried it last summer by going out and choosing guys like Van Exel over players who would have better fit roles on that team. In fact, I think there's a perfectly legitimate argument that the Spurs might well have vanquished the Mavericks again had the Spurs chosen to acquire a Vaughn-like PG last summer instead of Van Exel.

Guys with names and experience aren't always great fits for any number of reasons, and I don't necessarily agree with you that the Mavericks have addressed their needs and distanced themselves from the league by picking up guys who have long resumes but might not address particular needs. I'll give you that the Johnson move is a good one; and I think that if Croshere can stay healthy, he'll prove to have some value. But I don't know that either player makes the Mavericks substantially better than the great team they had last year.


You are regurgutating old stereotypes about the Mavs. Basically, your Spurs have already had their day, and the Mavs are just entering theirs.

That, or analyzing what the Mavs have done but in a way that you disagree with.

In the end, we'll see about your final point. The Spurs fate in 2006 was in their own hands and they let it slip away. Assuming that they won't have that chance again and do a better job with it strikes me as more short-sighted than realistic and more fanciful than objective. Nobody in the West has an answer for Tim Duncan, still. Tony Parker proved in 2005-06 that he can carry the load. Ginobili proved in the Mavericks series that he's still as meaningful to the Spurs' successes as he ever was. None of those guys have gone anywhere.

[MarkCuban]

please shorten your posts. whether your right or wrong nobody will ever know because i guarantee you nobody is reading that

[ChumpDumper]

At least no Mavfan....

[FromWayDowntown]

please shorten your posts. whether your right or wrong nobody will ever know because i guarantee you nobody is reading that

When you shorten your blog entries, I'll shorten my posts. Deal?

[ducks]

what the fuck now mav fans complain about length of post\
wtf?

[big3bigD]

WayDownTown (a.k.a. Fencepost), do you even watch the NBA at all or do you reside in a Spurs fantasy world???

I can't even begin to address all of that BS becasue it it almost entirely inacccurate. I wouldnt even know where to begin.

I can only repeat what I said before. Watch the league, gather some actual facts and knowledge of the game and its players, then post something.

You are just making alot this stuff up out of your own head, or you have been stuck in HomerLand for way too long.

You might know a little something about the Spurs, but your knowledge of the rest of the league is laughable.

I will offer no further response until you can obtain some accurate, factual data.

[ChumpDumper]

Until you admit Devean George is going to the Hall of Fame, I'm taking my ball and going home.

[FromWayDowntown]

I will offer no further response until you can obtain some accurate, factual data.

Show me any data that you've relied upon.

Your opinion is not data, nor is it factual.

[big3bigD]

Until you admit Devean George is going to the Hall of Fame, I'm taking my ball and going home.


It's not that Chump, it's that I am tired of correcting Spur fan's inaccuracies. I'm not going anywhere, I just will not debate something that is made up or inaccurate.

You are quite the smart ass, so I would ahve figured that at least you would have been reading enough of the thread to realize that nobody is claiming greatness for George. I was a simple question thread.

Your boy here is just making up facts as he goes along (none of which have had anything to do with george), and I will not continually point out his inaccuracies.

You also need to read the thread Chump.

[Haiku]

:lol
Until you admit Devean George is going to the Hall of Fame, I'm taking my ball and going home.


typical Mavs fans
want others to respect them
they respect no one

[FromWayDowntown]

Until you admit Devean George is going to the Hall of Fame, I'm taking my ball and going home.

or that the Nets, Pacers, and Lakers wouldn't have reached the Finals without Anthony Johnson, Austin Croshere, and Devean George, apparently.

By big3bigD's logic, had Malik Rose been on the free agent market, he would have been a monsterous signing for a contender because he played a role on 2 title teams. I guess that's the sort of hard data that I have to have before posting an opinion about how the future might unfold. Alas, I'm not blessed wtih big3bigD's uncanny knack for being able to deduce what will happen next season by examining the quality of each team's role players based on how deeply into the previous playoffs those players have advanced. Clearly, players who have been role players on teams that reached the Finals and have been asked to fill some ambiguous role on an already great team are far, far more valuable than kids who fit roles on a new team but have never even had the chance to participate at those levels.

[Haiku]

It's not that Chump, it's that I am tired of correcting Spur fan's inaccuracies. I'm not going anywhere, I just will not debate something that is made up or inaccurate.

You are quite the smart ass, so I would ahve figured that at least you would have been reading enough of the thread to realize that nobody is claiming greatness for George. I was a simple question thread.

Your boy here is just making up facts as he goes along (none of which have had anything to do with george), and I will not continually point out his inaccuracies.

You also need to read the thread Chump.


you dont understand
its the offseason right now
why even argue?

these teams are too close
series went down to one shot
predictions are dumb

[big3bigD]

Show me any data that you've relied upon.

Your opinion is not data, nor is it factual.

I rely on hard data that can be accessed by anyone in the world and verified by the NBA website.

AJ was a major factor in that Nets series. He actually outplayed JKidd in that series and scored 40 one game.

The Mavs do not overspend at all and just acquire big names. This is fact because they have almost the same payroll as the supposedly "frugal" Spurs.

Croshere was a large part of the Pacers squad that went to thr Finals against the Lakers.

These are just the first three that come to mind. The rest of your posts are filled with similar Spur Homer inaccuracies.

[FromWayDowntown]

Your boy here is just making up facts as he goes along (none of which have had anything to do with george), and I will not continually point out his inaccuracies.

I'd love an example of a fact that I've "made up." Just one. Any one of the many you claim. Just one. It shouldn't be terribly difficult to provide just one example.

Believe me, I certainly will acknowledge a factual error if one exists.

I suspect, however, that you're taking my disagreements with your opinions as made up facts.

[big3bigD]

:lol


typical Mavs fans
want others to respect them
they respect no one


Wrong Haiku. I do not give damn about getting anybody's respect on this board. I only have a problem with you Homers who live in your Spur hole.
If Spurfan would get his facts straight, then i have no problem.

[big3bigD]

I'd love an example of a fact that I've "made up." Just one. Any one of the many you claim. Just one. It shouldn't be terribly difficult to provide just one example.

Believe me, I certainly will acknowledge a factual error if one exists.

I suspect, however, that you're taking my disagreements with your opinions as made up facts.

This is why you are now called Fencepost. You argue and debate, but do not listen. I just gave you three examples of things corrected that you made up.

[big3bigD]

you dont understand
its the offseason right now
why even argue?

these teams are too close
series went down to one shot
predictions are dumb

LOl you are right about that, but as long as these clowns continue to debate with false information, I will continue to correct them.

[ChumpDumper]

You also need to read the thread Chump.Not really.

Mavfan overestimates George, Spurfan dismisses signing out of hand.

Mavfan gets upset at perceived lack of respect, Spurfan makes sure it's not just perceived.

Rinse and repeat.

[big3bigD]

Not really. Mavfan overestimates George, Spurfan dismisses signing out of hand.

Mavfan gets upset at perceived lack of respect, Spurfan makes sure it's not just perceived.

Rinse and repeat.

Or... Chump dumps some BS out of his mouth and tries to sound clever without addressing what was really posted. Chump dumps another brief ammount of BS to try to make up for his last bit of BS and fails again.

Mav fan continues to clown ignorant Spur fan and not give a damn what he thinks...

Rinse, Repeat, vomit.

[FromWayDowntown]

I rely on hard data that can be accessed by anyone in the world and verified by the NBA website.

AJ was a major factor in that Nets series. He actually outplayed JKidd in that series and scored 40 one game.

You're talking about last year's First round series that AJ's Pacers lost to Kidd's Nets. I'm talking about the Nets' runs to the 2002 and 2003 Finals in which Anthony Johnson was a bit player.

EDIT: That aside, I did acknowledge in an earlier post that I thought Anthony Johnson was a nice move for the Mavericks, no doubt in part because he played well in the 2006 playoffs, independent of anything he did while with the Nets. I don't know that a single 40 point playoff game gives a guy playoff mettle and championship guts, but it's certainly impressive.

{note: edit made before big3bigD tries to lambaste me for being too specific}


The Mavs do not overspend at all and just acquire big names. This is fact because they have almost the same payroll as the supposedly "frugal" Spurs.

I don't know that I ever said that. What I said is that the Mavericks are, as you posited earlier in this thread, more willing to spend money on guys who have names while the Spurs have spend the summer focused less on names than on skills. I've also said that the Spurs spent last summer playing the game a lot like the Mavericks have spent this summer -- acquiring names without real thought about where those names fit onto a roster. I think the Spurs have gone back to their old ways and that distinguishes the philosophies we've seen this summer.


Croshere was a large part of the Pacers squad that went to thr Finals against the Lakers.

He played a role. Did he make the difference? No. Would the Pacers likely have made the Finals without Croshere? I'd think so.

I don't mean to discount Croshere as a player, but he's been fortunate to play in situations where he didn't have to make a big difference because there were other players on the roster who carried the load.


These are just the first three that come to mind. The rest of your posts are filled with similar Spur Homer inaccuracies.

Or disagreements with your opinions. I guess those are really the same thing. I should just admit that the Spurs weren't even close to beating Dallas in 2006, that Tim Duncan is washed up, that Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are horrendously overrated, that the Spurs will likely finish 3rd or 4th in the division in 2006-07, and that the Spurs will be a middling seed that will be fortunate to escape round 1 of the 2007 playoffs.

Is that accuracy for you?

[ChumpDumper]

Mavfan obssesses over acquisition of "large parts."

Spurfan laughs at obvious homo connotation.

[big3bigD]

Why would you be speaking of him being a bit player 3 or 4 years ago when AJ had an outstanding playoff series just last season?

I actually agree completely with your second point, EXCEPT, that I think that their philosophies are now almost the same. They are at least very similar.

The third point is really moot, but Croshere has the experience and skills to be a solid backup for dirk. Croshere will not be expected to make much of a difference in Dallas, so I guess that his situation as far as you are concerned stays the same. He is basically there to provide spot minutes and help stretch the floor when needed.

Accuracy for me is posting something that is not opinion, but can be verified with credible resources.

As far as the Spurs being a middle seed and exiting in the 1st, well, that just might be an opinion that becomes fact if the Spurs do not change things up before the beginning of the season.

[big3bigD]

Mavfan obssesses over acquisition of "large parts."

Spurfan laughs at obvious homo connotation.

Chump dumps more BS and still sounds clownish.

Mavfan recognizes Chumps admission of homosexuality and agrees full heartedly.

[ChumpDumper]

Mavfan gets more upset trying to play cool, still doesn't quite understand that Spurfans could possibly disagree with his douchey predictions.

[FromWayDowntown]

As far as the Spurs being a middle seed and exiting in the 1st, well, that just might be an opinion that becomes fact if the Spurs do not change things up before the beginning of the season.

As long as Tim Duncan wears silver and black, the Spurs will be a force.

Discount them if you wish, but in my estimation, those opinions are fanciful.

[big3bigD]

Mavfan gets more upset trying to play cool, still doesn't quite understand that Spurfans could possibly disagree with his douchey predictions.

Chump dumps more BS and still doen't read threads.

Mavfan continues to recognize Chump's homosexuality as is displayed by his screenname pic.

Chump continues to display clownish nature...

Rinse, Repeat, Vomit all over a silly Chump.

[mabber]

Until you admit Devean George is going to the Hall of Fame, I'm taking my ball and going home.

:lol :lol :lol

P.S. I apologize for such a short post.

[big3bigD]

As long as Tim Duncan wears silver and black, the Spurs will be a force.

Discount them if you wish, but in my estimation, those opinions are fanciful.


Do you guys really feel that way about Duncan? He is not the force that he once was by any means.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you guys really feel that way about Duncan? He is not the force that he once was by any means.:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[mabber]

Do you guys really feel that way about Duncan? He is not the force that he once was by any means.

Did you see what he did to our Mavs in that playoff series?!?!?!?!?!?!? How much more of a force do you think he can be?

[FromWayDowntown]

Do you guys really feel that way about Duncan? He is not the force that he once was by any means.

Yeah, I was pretty underwhelmed by that 32.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 3.7 apg, 1.0 spg, and 2.6 bpg he put up against the eventual Western Conference champion during the 2006 playoffs.

If he were still a real force, he would have put up 45, 15, 7, 2, and 6 or something dominant like that. I mean anyone who draws single coverage for an entire series should be able to put up at least those kinds of numbers!!

Until he rolls up a quintuple-double in a playoff game, I think he's nowhere near dominant.

[big3bigD]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao


We'll have to see. He had an OK season and one good series against the Mavs. He is getting older , slower, and has a bad foot. I guess that Duncan remaing the "best player in the world" for his entire life is just part of the SpurHomerFantasyLand....

[ChumpDumper]

We'll have to see. He had an OK season and one good series against the Mavs. He is getting older , slower, and has a bad foot. I guess that Duncan remaing the "best player in the world" for his entire life is just part of the SpurHomerFantasyLand....:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[mabber]

Do you guys really feel that way about Duncan? He is not the force that he once was by any means.

I hate having to side with Spur's fans but that's a ridiculous post. :lol

[big3bigD]

Yeah, I was pretty underwhelmed by that 32.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 3.7 apg, 1.0 spg, and 2.6 bpg he put up against the eventual Western Conference champion during the 2006 playoffs.

If he were still a real force, he would have put up 45, 15, 7, 2, and 6 or something dominant like that. Until he rolls up a quintuple-double in a playoff game, I think he's nowhere near dominant.

He had a great series against the Mavs, but it took everything that he had and you still lost. Duncan did not have a spectacular series against the Queens nor did he have a typical "Duncan" type of regular season.

That's fine by us Mavs fans if you want him to be a KG and post great numbers while losing....

[FromWayDowntown]

We'll have to see. He had an OK season and one good series against the Mavs. He is getting older , slower, and has a bad foot. I guess that Duncan remaing the "best player in the world" for his entire life is just part of the SpurHomerFantasyLand....

He finished in the Top 10 in MVP voting, was 2nd team All-NBA and 2nd team All-Defense. He averaged 19 ppg and 11 rpg on 48% shooting while playing with a foot condition that is unlikely to be chronic.

He might not be the best player in the world, but he's still in a really, really short conversation about who is the most important player in the NBA right now.

[FromWayDowntown]

He is not the force that he once was by any means.

By the way, am I to take that as a factual assertion?

[ChumpDumper]

Mavfan should stick to riding Austin Croshere's "large part."

[big3bigD]

I hate having to side with Spur's fans but that's a ridiculous post. :lol


Actually, you seem to like siding with Spurfan, and what exactly is ridiculous about that?

he said that as long as Duncan is playing the Spurs will be a force.

I think that it's a ridiculous post to assume that Duncan can carry that team to a ring again.

[big3bigD]

Mavfan should stick to riding Austin Croshere's "large part."

Chump should stick to his homosexual tendencies and continue to Dump Duncan's large part into his mouth.

[ChumpDumper]

Mavfan can't link to my jocking Elson like he has Croshere; so much for his factual data.

[big3bigD]

Mavfan can't link to my jocking Elson like he has Croshere; so much for his factual data.

So much for try to get a Chump to read...

Chump jocks all Spurs, but if you need it changed to Duncan to appease your man crush.....

[FromWayDowntown]

I think that it's a ridiculous post to assume that Duncan can carry that team to a ring again.

Facts, my ass.

[big3bigD]

Facts, my ass.

What does this have to do with facts?????

Literacy in San Antonio, my ass....

[mabber]

Actually, you seem to like siding with Spurfan, and what exactly is ridiculous about that?

he said that as long as Duncan is playing the Spurs will be a force.

I think that it's a ridiculous post to assume that Duncan can carry that team to a ring again.

Come on, Duncan would have carried them to the finals (and possibly beat the Heat) if it weren't for Ginobli having his head way up his ass. It's not like Ginobli was on top of his game helping Duncan on a consistent basis during the playoffs.

I'm just calling it like I see it.

[ChumpDumper]

So much for try to get a Chump to read...

Chump jocks all Spurs, but if you need it changed to Duncan to appease your man crush.....I read the entire thred.

I summed it up perfectly before I did.

Mavfan's smack weakens even more.

[FromWayDowntown]

What does this have to do with facts?????

Literacy in San Antonio, my ass....

You've just discounted everything I've said in this thread because you found it to be factually inaccurate.

As you did with me, I'm telling you that your opinion about Tim Duncan's ability is factually inaccurate.

As such, the notion that your opinion is somehow informed solely by hard data and incontrovertible fact is laughable.

[big3bigD]

Come on, Duncan would have carried them to the finals (and possibly beat the Heat) if it weren't for Ginobli having his head way up his ass. It's not like Ginobli was on top of his game helping Duncan on a consistent basis during the playoffs.

I'm just calling it like I see it.

Call it however you want. I don't think that Duncan is the force that he once was.

[big3bigD]

I read the entire thred.

I summed it up perfectly before I did.

Mavfan's smack weakens even more.

Chump continues Dumping BS....

I sum up Chump perfectly by calling him a self admitted homosexual clown that tries to sound clever but can't.

[ChumpDumper]

Call it however you want. I don't think that Duncan is the force that he once was.Call it however you want, you're wrong.

[FromWayDowntown]

I don't think that Duncan is the force that he once was.

He had better numbers than Dirk in almost every meaningful category during the 2005-06 season, while spotting Dirk 4 minutes per game and almost 5 shots per game. If that season suggest that Tim isn't "the force that he once was," it at least suggests that on the way down, Tim is at least as good as Dirk is at his peak. That's a fairly scary thought.

Scarier still that the evidence is pretty meager to suggest that Tim is on the way down.

[big3bigD]

You've just discounted everything I've said in this thread because you found it to be factually inaccurate.

As you did with me, I'm telling you that your opinion about Tim Duncan's ability is factually inaccurate.

As such, the notion that your opinion is somehow informed solely by hard data and incontrovertible fact is laughable.

You are saying that my OPINION was inaccurate, I am saying that your DATA is inaccurate and can prove it with statistics.

So much for that literacy......

[big3bigD]

Call it however you want, you're wrong.

Chump says: "My dad can beat up your dad"

Chump and his tired rhetoric have officially become boring and repetitive.....

[ChumpDumper]

My dad is dead, but he did know about plantar fasciatis, which is more than can be said for Mavfan.

[big3bigD]

He had better numbers than Dirk in almost every meaningful category during the 2005-06 season, while spotting Dirk 4 minutes per game and almost 5 shots per game. If that season suggest that Tim isn't "the force that he once was," it at least suggests that on the way down, Tim is at least as good as Dirk is at his peak. That's a fairly scary thought.

Scarier still that the evidence is pretty meager to suggest that Tim is on the way down.


Well one thing really has nothing to do with the other now does it?

I am comparing Duncan only to himself, and he at one time was by far the best basketball player on the planet. He is no longer even close to that. He is still in the top 5 or ten though.

There was a time when Tim putting up numbers like the ones that you posted meant a sertain Spurs victory, it now results in a loss.

If you think he is still in his prime, then go for it.

[ChumpDumper]

There was a time when Tim putting up numbers like the ones that you posted meant a sertain Spurs victoryLakerfan will tell you different. Fact.

[Haiku]

Mavfans owned again
they're always getting upset
please continue now

[big3bigD]

My dad is dead, but he did know about plantar fasciatis, which is more than can be said for Mavfan.

I'm sorry to hear about your pops Chump. If you are being serious, then I meant no disrespect.

If you are BSing, for which you seem to have a strong tendency, then your pops should have taught you to read instaed of giving you medical lessons.

[FromWayDowntown]

Lakerfan will tell you different. Fact.

2002 WCSF: Lakers 4, Spurs 1

Duncan (the NBA's MVP for the 2001-02 season): 29.0 ppg, 17.2 rpg, 4.6 apg, 3.2 bpg

[big3bigD]

2002 WCSF, Lakers 4, Spurs 1

Duncan: 29.0 ppg, 17.2 rpg, 4.6 apg, 3.2 bpg

I stand corrected. I didn't take the time to look it up. I thought that Duncan was more neutralized against those Laker teams.

[big3bigD]

Mavfans owned again
they're always getting upset
please continue now

How exactly was I owned Haiku, and do you have any actual knowledge or do you just write ridiculous poems??

[Haiku]

I stand corrected. I didn't take the time to look it up. I thought that Duncan was more neutralized against those Laker teams.


well i take it back
this Mavfan does have some sense
props to you Mavfan

[big3bigD]

well i take it back
this Mavfan does have some sense
props to you Mavfan


LOL. Thank you Haiku. I know that these posts probably seem trollish, but I am really just responding to what is posted.

[Haiku]

im not a Spurs fan
i was forced to pick a team
im a fan of art

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Well one thing really has nothing to do with the other now does it?

I am comparing Duncan only to himself, and he at one time was by far the best basketball player on the planet. He is no longer even close to that. He is still in the top 5 or ten though.

There was a time when Tim putting up numbers like the ones that you posted meant a sertain Spurs victory, it now results in a loss.

If you think he is still in his prime, then go for it.
Didn't Duncan drop 53 on the Mavs once, in a loss?! :lol

[big3bigD]

Didn't Duncan drop 53 on the Mavs once, in a loss?! :lol

Didn't that happen in the regular season???

[FromWayDowntown]

I stand corrected. I didn't take the time to look it up. I thought that Duncan was more neutralized against those Laker teams.

In the 3 series that the Spurs lost to LA in 2001, 2002, and 2004, Duncan averaged 24.1 ppg (23.0, 29.0, 20.7), 13.9 rpg (12.3, 17.2, 12.2), 4.0 apg (4.3, 4.6, 3.3), and 2.9 bpg (4.3, 3.2, 1.7) in 15 total games.

[FromWayDowntown]

Didn't that happen in the regular season, and didn't the Spurs win a ring that season??? LMFAO!!!!

Actually, it did happen in the regular season, but no -- the Spurs didn't win a ring that season.

Good try, though.

[Haiku]

i do watch bball
but im a fan of no one
until Stern retires

i live near Dallas
but i cant root for the Mavs
too embarassing

how could i really?
the owner runs on the court
comical really

sit your ass upstairs
your not a player Cuban
just write the checks bitch

fine, im done ranting
poems, i'll still be writing
keep debating guys

[big3bigD]

i do watch bball
but im a fan of no one
until Stern retires

i live near Dallas
but i cant root for the Mavs
too embarassing

how could i really?
the owner runs on the court
comical really

sit your ass upstairs
your not a player Cuban
just write the checks bitch

fine, im done ranting
poems, i'll still be writing
keep debating guys

Excellent poem Haiku. I like everything that you said there.

[big3bigD]

Actually, it did happen in the regular season, but no -- the Spurs didn't win a ring that season.

Good try, though.

LOL. I stand corrected again. I guess that Duncan being dominant has really nothing to do with th Spurs winning or losing.... You lose whan he plays well and you win when he plays well.

[FromWayDowntown]

LOL. I stand corrected again. I guess that Duncan being dominant has really nothing to do with th Spurs winning or losing.... You lose whan he plays well and you win when he plays well.

You've seen the light.

As long as Tim Duncan has been in San Antonio, he's played well. As long as he's played well, the Spurs have been legitimate championship contenders. Unless you think he's not going to play well in the next few seasons, I think you'd be hard-pressed to make an argument that the Spurs are done for.

[big3bigD]

You've seen the light.

As long as Tim Duncan has been in San Antonio, he's played well. As long as he's played well, the Spurs have been legitimate championship contenders. Unless you think he's not going to play well in the next few seasons, I think you'd be hard-pressed to make an argument that the Spurs are done for.

I don't think that they are really "done for". I think that they will compete, and be around the third or fourth best team in the West. I think that the Mavs, Suns and Clips are all better teams right now. The Spurs big 3 has killer playoff/championship experience, so once the playoffs begin, I guess that anything can happen. I just don't think that they will be dominant. But, like you said, history shows that they will still be competitive.