Cleavage Concerns Addressed In Arlington Schools

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://cbs11tv.com/local/local_story_215224746.html

(CBS 11 News) ARLINGTON With a new school year about to begin, some female students in the Arlington school district may have to rethink their wardrobes.

Teen fashions often leave parents a little disgruntled. Arlington Independent School District parent Frances Henson said, “I'm thinking that our daughters are growing up a little bit too fast these days.”

Arlington School Board members agree with parents and this summer, they adopted an unusual amendment to the student dress code.

The new dress code reads, in part, “The display of cleavage is unacceptable. Low cut blouses, tops, sweaters, etc. with plunging necklines are not allowed."

“It's gotten bad enough that, unfortunately, our young males are looking at more than their English book, their speech book, their science book,” says school board president Sherri Wade. “And it's kind of nice to have something left to the imagination.”

Even some teenagers agree there is a problem. “I think it's good that they're doing it,” said student, Tyler Edwards.

Others students say it makes back-to-school shopping more difficult. “I just have to be more careful with what shirts I buy. Change my style a little,” said student, Maria Lopez.

While most parents support the new rule, some worry that enforcing it could be a challenge. “I think that's going to be a little tricky, because it puts a little bit of a policeman approach to the educators, and they really need to focus more on teaching,” said Tom Pederson, AISD parent.

The school board president says they'll do both… and in time, she says, the no cleavage rule will be no problem.



(CBS 11 News)


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Let me be the first to say...

"Tyler, you need to get laid...big time."

[usckk]

Not surprised. Our public high school had a totally new dress code because of it. The stringentess of our HS is almost as bad a private schools now.

[tw05baller]

http://cbs11tv.com/local/local_story_215224746.html

(CBS 11 News) ARLINGTON With a new school year about to begin, some female students in the Arlington school district may have to rethink their wardrobes.

Teen fashions often leave parents a little disgruntled. Arlington Independent School District parent Frances Henson said, “I'm thinking that our daughters are growing up a little bit too fast these days.”

Arlington School Board members agree with parents and this summer, they adopted an unusual amendment to the student dress code.

The new dress code reads, in part, “The display of cleavage is unacceptable. Low cut blouses, tops, sweaters, etc. with plunging necklines are not allowed."

“It's gotten bad enough that, unfortunately, our young males are looking at more than their English book, their speech book, their science book,” says school board president Sherri Wade. “And it's kind of nice to have something left to the imagination.”

Even some teenagers agree there is a problem. “I think it's good that they're doing it,” said student, Tyler Edwards.

Others students say it makes back-to-school shopping more difficult. “I just have to be more careful with what shirts I buy. Change my style a little,” said student, Maria Lopez.

While most parents support the new rule, some worry that enforcing it could be a challenge. “I think that's going to be a little tricky, because it puts a little bit of a policeman approach to the educators, and they really need to focus more on teaching,” said Tom Pederson, AISD parent.

The school board president says they'll do both… and in time, she says, the no cleavage rule will be no problem.



(CBS 11 News)


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Let me be the first to say...

"Tyler, you need to get laid...big time."

:lmao i was thinking the same thing reading it.

[CharlieMac]

Like high school boys need to actually see cleavage to think about sex.

[Leetonidas]

What kinda bullshit is that? Like you can't fucking see it on TV or anywhere on the street. Give me a fucking break. There's nothing wrong with lookin' at them titties. :smokin

[T Park]

Yeah, cause cleavage is appropriate clothes to wear at school.

Your there to fuckin learn, not look at chests for christ sake.


Lets grow up people.

[SpursWoman]

I actually find butt cleavage far more offensive. :vomit:


And there is something wrong with looking at titties when you should be learning how to fucking read and write. I can tell this is a problem when I try to decipher about 75% of the young men's posts in this forum. :spin

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I actually find butt cleavage far more offensive. :vomit:


And there is something wrong with looking at titties when you should be learning how to fucking read and write. I can tell this is a problem when I try to decipher about 75% of the young men's posts in this forum. :spinCould you please tell me which percentage I'm in? :lol

[Leetonidas]

I actually find butt cleavage far more offensive. :vomit:


And there is something wrong with looking at titties when you should be learning how to fucking read and write. I can tell this is a problem when I try to decipher about 75% of the young men's posts in this forum. :spin

You make it seem like all we do is stare at tits.

And we learned to read and write in 1st grade.

And T Park, what do you mean grow up? You'd be bullshitting yourself if you didn't tell me adults didn't look at women's chests.

But as you can tell, SW, I do my learning because my posts are easily decipherable. :lol

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

You'd be bullshitting yourself if you didn't tell me adults didn't look at women's chests. While I know what Park's suggestion is and I realize he's kind of overshooting the moon here, we aren't talking about adults.

[T Park]

Im sure the children here will bash me, give me the old homophobic "Your gay you don;t like boobies" blah blah blah.


Why has society turned to shit, that now its acceptable to go to school in tank tops, or BS that plunges or is inappropriate?

The guy is enforcing a dress code.


Kinda like you guys have to when you go to work?

Ya know.....

[T Park]

You'd be bullshitting yourself if you didn't tell me adults didn't look at women's chests.


Kids in school are NOT adults.

Different from what you kids in school think.


While I know what Park's suggestion is and I realize he's kind of overshooting the moon here


My suggestion is to follow a damn dress code.

Thats it thats all.

Come to school looking respectable and not like a fucking prostitute.


The freakin clothes kids and teenagers wear nowadays is just plain disgusting.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Actually, there's a girl that's enforcing the dress code.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't disagree with you, Eric.

Well, I don't really have any other point, I don't disagree with you.

I do think Tyler has a little bit of the "No Pussy Blues."

[AlamoSpursFan]

You make it seem like all we do is stare at tits.


That's all I do...

:lol

[T Park]

Wich Im sure shes getting lambastated and ripped up for doing that.

The other girls will say their usual "We have rights like ya know, and like, totally your like ohmygod, running over our rights....."

[T Park]

So Tyler is a no pussy getting wuss, because he agrees, women that don't dress like complete whores, are good things?

Oh yeah totally see that :rolleyes

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Wich Im sure shes getting lambastated and ripped up for doing that.

The other girls will say their usual "We have rights like ya know, and like, totally your like ohmygod, running over our rights....."
Well, then they need to listen more in government course.

[Leetonidas]

Kids in school are NOT adults.

Different from what you kids in school think.

I was referring to the fact that you said "grow up" when we're almost adults...what are we growing up into?

[E20]

I'm with all the geeky bitches. No clevage for me whatsoever. Flat pancakes surround me, so I have nothing else to do but pay attention or day dream about titties.

[Leetonidas]

So Tyler is a no pussy getting wuss, because he agrees, women that don't dress like complete whores, are good things?

Oh yeah totally see that :rolleyes

I don't see how wearing a shirt that accents cleavage makes you a total whore. You're going a bit overboard.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

So Tyler is a no pussy getting wuss, because he agrees, women that don't dress like complete whores, are good things?

Oh yeah totally see that :rolleyesNo, he's probably a no pussy-getting wuss because he got caught on camera saying that he thinks it's a good thing they're changing the dress code.

Eric, you and I were in high schools in Bexar County at the same time, and I find it hard to believe that you (well, actually, I don't find it hard to believe) that you are generalizing girls (who are the age we were seven, eight, nine years ago) who dress stylishly into "complete whores."

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't see how wearing a shirt that accents cleavage makes you a total whore. You're going a bit overboard.I'd like for it to be noted in the record that I suggested this in post #10 as it's usually a TPark staple.

(And damnit, Eric, you know you do and this isn't an insult on you so save it).

[T Park]

Im not going overboard.

Girls in high school, do NOT, need to wear the bullshit that is in style now adays.


Kids walking around wearing the freakin hiphuggers and all this low cut bullshit is nonsense.



and I find it hard to believe that you (well, actually, I don't find it hard to believe) that you are generalizing girls (who are the age we were seven, eight, nine years ago) who dress stylishly into "complete whores."


Stylish is one thing.


Stylish that looks like someone out of a Maxim magazine is another.


And yes, a girl that dresses stylish to the point of low cut pants and shirts, yes, that makes them whorish.


Sorry if we can't get the whole, low cut clothes means trying to get attention through sex, means they are NOT sluts.

[Leetonidas]

Being a whore or slut has to do with how you act and who you've been fucking and shit. Not based on what someone wears. That's prejudice.

[AlamoSpursFan]

And what about the teachers? I had a history teacher at TR who had the damn Grand Canyon peeking out of the top of her blouse just about every damn day. Imagine a white Weezy Jefferson and you'll get the picture. Any guesses as to my history GPA the two years (yes I was a lucky little pervert) I had her?

[Mijo]

And there is something wrong with looking at titties when you should be learning how to fucking read and write. I knew how to read and wriite. Titties blew Algebra for me! :lol

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Im not going overboard.

Girls in high school, do NOT, need to wear the bullshit that is in style now adays.


Kids walking around wearing the freakin hiphuggers and all this low cut bullshit is nonsense.





Stylish is one thing.


Stylish that looks like someone out of a Maxim magazine is another.


And yes, a girl that dresses stylish to the point of low cut pants and shirts, yes, that makes them whorish.


Sorry if we can't get the whole, low cut clothes means trying to get attention through sex, means they are NOT sluts. The major problem I have with your statements is your use of negatives. For some reason, writing so much recently makes my head hurt to read negatives.

Anyways, *cracks knuckles*, here we go...



Guidelines 1. Shorts and skorts may be worn at the elementary school level. In grades three through five, they should be no more than four inches above the top of the kneecap. Shorts and skorts are prohibited in grades six through twelve. 2. In grades three through twelve, skirts, dresses, and culottes must be no more than four inches above the top of the kneecap. There should not be a cut or slit in the clothing that extends beyond the four inch limit. These requirements also applies to school uniforms. 3. Appropriate footwear must be worn; footwear which has toes reinforced with steel, hard plastics or similar materials is specifically prohibited. 4. Hair must be neat and clean. Unconventional colored, multi-colored or spiked or Mohawk hair styles are not permitted. 5. Headwear must not be worn in buildings. 6. Any clothes that are suggestive or indecent or which cause distraction are not acceptable. Specifically, oversized clothing, tank tops, muscle shirts, halter tops, spaghetti straps, exposed backs or midriffs, and see-through garments are not permitted. 7. Indecent/inappropriate patches, writings, or drawings on clothing are prohibited. 8. All pants are to be full length (Capri pants should be no less than four inches below the bottom of the kneecap) and worn at the waist (no "sagging" or "bagging"). Tight fitting pants (e.g., tights, Spandex, bicycle pants) are also prohibited. Cut-offs and intentionally frayed pants are also prohibited. 9. Body piercing jewelry is prohibited except for rings, studs or other traditional jewelry worn in the ear. Tongue rings and tongue studs are not permitted.http://www.nisd.net/schools/dresscode/?content=guidelines

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Shorts and skorts prohibited in secondary education. I was in the middle of the god-awful near-riot on the grounds of Holmes High School the day of the walk-out to protest the banning of shorts at the end of the school year in 1997. (I was covering it for both the school paper and assisting my internship employers, KENS-TV, at that time).

A friend of mine organized the walk-out, which was even stupider considering she was graduating that year.

This took place in San Antonio, TX.

You're telling me that wearing shorts at the secondary level, and for argument's sake, let's say it's the same requirements as elementary (four inches above the knee) is whorish?

Since I haven't been in San Antonio recently, what's the temperature there?

Well, guess what, I live in San Angelo right now and it's fucking hot.

Reference #6. They're already banned, Eric.

All the clothes you say make girls whores are banned.

Now, at what point are we to allow already overworked and underpaid teachers the time to teach (instead of playing clothing police) which if you ask me, is a hell of a lot larger problem than kids dressing too sexy for you.

I went to a school that was well-known for its teenage pregnancy rate, although at least we weren't fucking Jay. Children are going to have sex. Teenage males are going to look at females (and some males) and teenage females are going to look at males (and some females).

I'm not saying dress codes aren't necessary, because I think they are.

I do have a problem with people's snap judgements of others because of antiquated views.

[Leetonidas]

Johnny_Blaze :tu

[T Park]

Shorts are not, I agree.



But I guess its ok for girls to walk around school with their stomach's showing, breasts flopping out, and all that other great stuff.


Should teachers have to do this? No they shouldn't I agree.


But uh, since the parents aren't governing their kids, someone has to do something.



is a hell of a lot larger problem than kids dressing too sexy for you.


Yeah it is.

Too bad thats not the only thing teachers have to do anymore, cause the majority of parents have the intelligence levels of fly larvae.

[Kori Ellis]

Wait a minute ... I really wasn't paying attention to this thread, but I skimmed.

You can't wear shorts to school in San Antonio?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Wait a minute ... I really wasn't paying attention to this thread, but I skimmed.

You can't wear shorts to school in San Antonio?I don't know about other school districts, but NISD banned them for secondary education at a board meeting before the end of the 1996-97 school year..

[Kori Ellis]

I don't know about other school districts, but NISD banned them for secondary education at a board meeting before the end of the 1996-97 school year..

What's the reasoning behind no shorts?

[T Park]

some schools.

Because some keep taking it to extremes, shorter and shorter, so, you gotta ban em.

I don't think all.


My school allowed em. But Im sure girls kept trying to wear those stupid abercrombie and fitch shorts that show part of your ass, and have phrases on the back like "sexy" or, "Hot"


Nothin like a 14 year old, stompin around wearing those.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Northside backs dress code, rejects cheerleader exception
San Antonio Express-News
October 15, 1997
Author: Suzanne Hoholik; Express-News Staff Writer
Estimated printed pages: 2

For years, Northside School District cheerleaders have worn their uniforms to school on game days to promote school spirit and pride.
Not anymore.

A request by a parent of a Holmes High School cheerleader to allow his daughter to follow the tradition never made it to a vote by trustees.

After lengthy discussion, a motion made by trustee Carmen Zuniga to allow uniforms to be worn on game days died for lack of support.

The lengths of the skirt of the cheerleader, pep squad and dance team uniforms violate the district's new dress code policy approved by trustees in June. Changes came after middle and high school administrators complained their staffs spent too much time enforcing the old dress code.

The policy - which also bans shorts, visible body piercing and oversize clothing - requires skirts and dresses to be mid-thigh length or longer.

Two days after trustees changed the dress code, about 200 Holmes High School students walked out of class in protest of the decision.

While these students participated in the walkout, many athletes - including cheerleaders in their uniforms - could be seen through the windows of a building attending class. About 3,200 students attend Holmes.

George Terrell sent a letter to board members last month asking that his daughter, Barbara, be allowed to wear her cheerleader's uniform at least through this school year. He cited the high cost of her three uniforms - about $200 each - as a major reason to exempt them from the dress code policy.

Terrell said he was not notified that his daughter couldn't wear her uniform until about two weeks before school started in August. At this point he already had ordered and purchased the uniforms.

"I recommend that y'all waive the dress code (enforcement) for these girls until next year," he said. "Then they can order their uniforms and comply with the dress code."

Trustee Terry Smith Zablocki said she would not support exempting some students while making others follow the rules.

"I believe any deviation from the policy this board (approved), I will not be in favor of," she said.

At least three school districts - Judson, North East and San Antonio - bend the rules when it comes to allowing cheerleaders, pep squads and dance teams to wear uniforms on game days.

"An exception has been made," said Bobby Zamora, San Antonio School District spokesman. "It's part of a tradition. The uniform serves a special purpose."

At Judson and North East, the dress code requires skirts or dresses to be no more than 3 inches above the knee; at San Antonio, the clothing must be knee-length.
Edition: Alamo
Section: Metro
Page: 8B
Column: News - Local
Copyright 1997 San Antonio Express-News
Record Number: 17714


SIDE NOTE: I was in this Urban Journalism Workshop class. Superb program affectionately known as "Boot Camp For Young Journalists."





97 Urban Journalism Workshop - Students question coverage
San Antonio Express-News
July 5, 1997
Author: Sandra Michelle Martinez; Sunset High School
Estimated printed pages: 3

"There's a walkout at 11! Walkout at 11!" were the shouts heard echoing through the hallways of Holmes High School the morning of May 16.
Within minutes, 200 students walked out of their daily classes in protest of the newly proposed dress code for Northside School District.

"Burn the flag! Burn the flag!" chanted rebellious students as they sought attention from the media.

"Reporters set the tone for the story, and students are the ones who perform for the camera," said Victor Garcia, a former education reporter for the San Antonio Express-News.

Garcia, who now heads the community relations department of North East School District, said it takes only one person to call the media and start an issue.

Telemundo producer Yamileti Virgin said students usually are not portrayed fairly in the media.

"The good kids deserve a lot of attention, but they don't get any recognition unless they are bad," Virgin said. "It was only a handful of students who participated in the walkout at Holmes, and it's their own fault if they are mad about what they may have looked like on TV."

Those who objected the way the story was covered noted that more than 3,000 students remained in their seats, while 200 students staged the protest.

"I think that they should have said something about everyone, not just a few people," said Anthony Guerrero, a 15-year-old sophomore at Holmes High School. "What about all of us who stayed inside?"

Critics question the media's judgment when portraying young people.

"I feel that only one side of the issue was portrayed in the news," Sunset High School Principal Jo Nitsch said. "It was only a small portion of students who participated.

"To really get the students' perspective, they (media) needed to talk to more students who didn't walk out."

Michael Pearson, assignment manager for KSAT-TV, defends his station's coverage of the event.

"The incident at Holmes was handled fairly," Pearson said. "We talked to an equal number of staff and students. I can understand that the students thought they weren't treated as fairly as they would have liked."

Dan Calderon, San Antonio Express-News education editor, said the newspaper's reports centered on the students who believed they were adversely affected by the policy.

"We were not trying to make the school look bad," he said.

The dress code issue wasn't the first time students weren't portrayed fairly, critics charge.

Sunset High School, the first night school for juniors and seniors, has been portrayed by some reporters as an alternative school, a term that commonly refers to an educational facility for discipline problem students.

Sunset isn't that kind of alternative school; rather, it's a place for academic alternatives, where regular students who may work during the day take classes at night.

Nitsch said many reporters approached her, saying they were doing a special-interest story, and would ask to speak to teen-age mothers.

"The school did attain a reputation of being a school for teen moms, but that is an incorrect perspective," Nitsch said. "Our objective is to help the students, and a small part of our focus is to help those with children."

She said the stories didn't affect enrollment.

"The school is a new concept, and anything that is new, people are hesitant to try," Nitsch said.

Many students believe unfair media reports have hurt the reputation of high schools and teen-agers.

"I think that the media lie about teen-agers," said Daniel Satas, a summer school student at Holmes High School. "They really go overboard and portray us all as gangsters, thugs and druggies."

Bianca Valles, an 18-year-old Providence student, agrees.

"The media are biased toward young people," Valles said. "They think we're dumb and when it comes to covering stories about high school students, they only want what sounds good to them. Whatever makes a story."

KSAT's Pearson agreed that most news reports about teens are negative.

"The media mostly show teens when they are hanging out at the mall, smoking, wearing baggy jeans, having colored hair and pierced tongues," Pearson said. "Teens in the media are often shown in a negative light because of the very nature of news - drive- by shootings, gangs and the like.

"As a news editor, I share the blame with all journalists for not doing enough positive stories about teens," he said.

Miguel Conchas, a reporter for La Prensa, said the portrayal of teens definitely is skewed. He often hears more stories about teens involved in crime than about their positive achievements.

"It's easier for the media to use stereotypes. It's all set. The public is used to seeing it, and they'll see it again," he said.

"There needs to be communication on both sides," Conchas added. "The media can make an effort to define its role to teens and allow teens to define themselves. The media should give them the spotlight and let them tell their side."

In efforts to encourage better communication between teens and reporters, the Express-News is creating a teen advisory board that will read the paper and provide feedback.

Calderon said the Teen Board makes good sense because he often wonders if the Express-News does enough stories relevant to a wider audience.

"With the Teen Board we will be able to ensure that a young voice is heard in the paper," he said. "We forget what it's like to be teen-agers and we need voices to remind us."
Edition: Alamo
Section: Metro
Page: 1B
Column: Feature
Copyright 1997 San Antonio Express-News
Record Number: 5119



SIDE NOTE: The girl referenced near the end hired me at The University Star as a news reporter and recommended me to replace her as news editor when she graduated. I, in turn, hired her back as news editor when I was promoted to managing editor.





Northside approves dress code
San Antonio Express-News
June 11, 1997
Author: Suzanne Hoholik; Express-News Staff Writer
Estimated printed pages: 3

Northside School District trustees unanimously approved controversial dress code changes Tuesday for middle and high school students, starting next fall, despite a handful of protests and accusations at their meeting.
Trustees approved the changes last month. Tuesday's vote incorporated the revamped dress code into the district's policy.

The changes came after middle and high school administrators told the board their staffs spend too much time enforcing the current dress code, which allows students to wear mid-thigh shorts.

The new dress code bans shorts, skorts (shorts that resemble skirts), visible body piercing except for traditional earrings, significantly oversized clothing and unconventional colored, multicolored or spiked hair.

The crowd of 300 attending the meeting Tuesday at the Northside Activity Center dwindled to just under 100 by the time the board took its final vote shortly after 10 p.m. However, fewer than 10 people - including two students - voiced complaints about the changes. Their main concern was the ban on shorts.

"In making this dress code, you're stripping us of what we are," said Amber Gardner, a sophomore at Communication Arts High School. "You're restricting us in our clothes ... it's like a prison. This dress code is against everything I believe in."

On May 15, two days after trustees revised the dress code, about 200 of 3,200 Holmes High School students walked out of classes in a protest the new policy that nearly resulted in a flag-burning. After the walkout, about 15 to 20 students refused to return to class and were suspended for three days. They returned in time for final exams. Northside teen-agers became increasingly vocal about their dissatisfaction with the board's decision, rekindling an age-old debate of students' rights vs. educators' responsibilities.

Resident Paulette LeVan said the student walkout at Holmes is just an example of the dissatisfaction of the dress code.

"People are not happy with this, and the demonstrations will get to be more and more," she said. "This is repression and tyranny. People will fight, and they won't stop until it's resolved."

Dr. Jane Lindell Hughes, a trustee, said the changes are the board's attempt to create a learning environment at Northside schools.

"As long as we are not hurting children, I would hope parents would sit down with their youngsters and say ... 'We will comply with this policy,'" she said.

"We are trying to re-establish an attitude and a look and a feel of a school," Hughes said. "We're not talking about uniforms, we're talking about articles of dress."

Despite the residents' request to allow students to wear shorts, trustee David Poole said shorts never have had a place in the classroom.

"I don't believe shorts are appropriate for our students in a learning environment," he said. "I don't believe it (shorts) lends itself to the correct mental attitude for our classrooms."

Valerie Courtney, a parent of four Northside students, asked that the board re-evaluate the dress code.

"You need to make parents more responsible and send students home. Make the children accountable for their actions," she said.

Communications Arts sophomore Kirsten Crow said by passing this dress code board members are power-hungry. She also disputed claims by school administrators that the way a student dresses has very little to do with his or her academic performance.rebellion."

Edition: Alamo
Section: A Section
Page: 1A
Column: News - Local
Copyright 1997 San Antonio Express-News
Record Number: 2332

[Kori Ellis]

When I was in highschool, we wore short shorts and even guy's boxer shorts to school as shorts with tanktops. It's freakin' hot in Arizona, just like here. It doesn't seem logical to ban shorts.

[T Park]

Because they warn kids and warn em and warn em, and they keep breaking the rule.

So you gotta bust out the, alright, no one gets to wear em.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

But Im sure girls kept trying to wear those stupid abercrombie and fitch shorts that show part of your ass, and have phrases on the back like "sexy" or, "Hot"
You're sure? Without proof?

I'm guessing those would fall within (what seems to be the standard across the board) the "distracting" guidelines, but I may be wrong...I haven't been to any high school campuses recently.

Actually, wait, yes, I have...when I had to do a feature on a retiring San Angelo teacher.

I'm pretty sure I remember some of the students had shorts on.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Bad memories, man...



Students dressed down for dress-code walkout Holmes protesters rush U.S. flag when ordered to return to class
San Antonio Express-News
May 17, 1997
Author: Suzanne Hoholik; Express-News Staff Writer
Estimated printed pages: 4

The most volatile example of growing student unrest over the Northside School District's plan to restrict what teen-agers can wear to class erupted Friday at Holmes High School.
What was planned as a peaceful demonstration turned chaotic when angry teens tore down and threatened to burn the U.S. and Texas flags, just three days after the school board adopted the controversial dress-code changes for the 1997-98 school year.

More than 200 of the 3,200 students attending Holmes High walked out during class at 11 a.m. in protest of the new policy, which will affect 30,000 middle and high school students starting this fall.

The revamped dress code bans shorts, body piercing jewelry except for earrings, oversize clothing and multicolored or spiked hair.

Some students carried signs that read "Kiss my assets" and shouted "Hell no, we won't go!" when Holmes administrators told them to get back to class. Northside teen-agers have become increasingly vocal about their dissatisfaction with the school board's 6-1 decision that rekindled a universal, age-old debate over students' rights vs. educators' responsibilities.

Students are passing petitions at several high schools calling on the board to rescind the policy, while others are vowing outright defiance of it come the fall semester.

"The way we dress does not affect our education. Next year, on the first day of school, I'm wearing shorts," said Eric Escue, a Holmes ninth-grader and walkout organizer. "We have the right to freedom of speech and to assemble peacefully and that's what we're doing."

The tightened revisions came at the request of school administrators who claim they spend too much time enforcing the current dress code, which allows mid-thigh shorts and does not address the popular loose-fitting jeans or body piercing trends.

Minutes after the large group gathered in the school courtyard, Principal Gary Haass tried to persuade students to return to class.

"We all have the right to protest. That's the American way ... but right now it's getting close to the end of the year and you need to be in class," he said. "You have made your point."

But the students weren't listening to Haass. They began running toward the school's flag pole and pulled down the U.S. and Texas flags and a flag promoting the Prom Promise program, which discourages students from drinking on prom night.

Some students yelled, "Burn 'em both! Burn 'em both!" Others, mainly athletes in team uniforms, watched in horror from classroom windows.

Escue and his friend, senior Daven Harris, rushed into the middle of the fray to save the flags.

"What they did with the flags is wrong. It's totally disrespectful to have it brought down in shame," said Escue, fighting back tears.

Harris agreed: "That kind of action kind of shot down our point. We were there today to prove this is a peaceful demonstration."

After the flags were rescued and raised back up the pole, teachers and administrators swarmed around the crowd to warn students that if they weren't back in class by 11:22 a.m., they would face suspension. Most students obeyed the demand and were herded back to their respective classrooms.

Head Football Coach Gary West, while directing students back to class, yelled out his opinion of the protesters.

"Those are the worse kids we have at Holmes High School," he said. "There is not one athlete, one National Honor Society member, one football player or one student from Business Careers (High School). They are less than 1 percent of the students."

Board President Ray Lopez said he understands the students' desire to protest and hopes they learn from the experience. But he admitted the board could have muted the controversy by considering the dress-code revisions at a different time.

"My only regret is it does not come at an opportune time for kids ... with exams going on. It's a distraction," he said. "There was a dilemma in waiting, but any latter may have been worse."

About 15 to 20 students refused to return to class at the requested time. District spokesman Larry Meyer said the students were suspended for three days, including Friday. They will return to school Wednesday in time for final examinations. The last day of school for Holmes students is Thursday.

Freshman Maria Ramos, sporting fatigue shorts and multicolored hair, was one of those refusing to return to class.

"It's proving how strongly I feel, and nothing is going to stop me from being who I am," she said. "I think my parents will be upset, and I can only hope that they will understand. We think it's wrong for them to take away our individuality. It's not fair to the students." get add Jay Jacobson, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas, said there's not a lot that can be done to fight the district policy regarding clothes. But telling students how to wear their hair is another thing.

"When you talk about no multicolored hair, what does that mean?" he said. "It becomes a matter of due process and leaves a girl or guy in limbo on whether they can frost their hair."

The district's decision to ban loose-fitting clothes, such as popular wide-leg brands of jeans, only will make the merchandise more appealing to teen-agers, said Alex Berenson, president and owner of Los Angeles-based jeans manufacturer KikWear Industries.

"It's going to make it more popular," said Berenson, adding that sales of his brand of that product have been especially brisk this week in Texas. "This action is going to fuel the fire, and it's going to create even larger demand."

But Haass said students should get used to being told what to wear.

"This (school) is a job for youngsters," he said. "We're trying to get them ready for work. What job would let you wear shorts to work?" Staff Writer Jennifer Walsh contributed to this report.

Edition: Alamo
Section: A Section
Page: 1A
Column: News - Local
Copyright 1997 San Antonio Express-News
Record Number: 145

[E20]

All in all I say yes to hot girls in skimpy outfits.

[slayermin]

Maybe the Arlington School Board saw the movie below and it scared the shit out of them.

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00013RC2K.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1073700212_.jpg

[T Park]

thirteen is one of the more disturbing movies Ive ever watched.

[BIG IRISH]

I went to my grandsons school, last year, He was in Pre K and some of the teachers showed more cleveage than I've seen at the mall.

[SpursWoman]

I knew how to read and wriite. Titties blew Algebra for me! :lol

And I think too much preoccupation getting boys to look at mine blew Algebra for me. :lol


Eh, I'm still irritated from school shopping with my 11 year old daughter ... when all I could find was shit a street walker would wear. But it's just a mom thing, I guess. :fro

[CuckingFunt]

I knew how to read and wriite. Titties blew Algebra for me! :lol

And I think too much preoccupation getting boys to look at mine blew Algebra for me. :lol
I had the unique experience of being horribly distracted by both activities.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I had the unique experience of being horribly distracted by both activities.

Wouldn't it just be easier for teachers to come up with equations about breasts to keep the boys minds on track. It wouldn't be necessary for females since I believe they're stronger at math anyway, but you could do one with packages, I guess.

(Size + Bounciness) / Strength of Bra + [Overall Body Score x (Butterface + Personal Breast Size Preference)] = Chances of her sleeping with you.

[GOODfellas]

damn, TPark has got to be the biggest retarted douche this board has ever seen. Showing cleavage does not make anyone a "whore". No more than wearing a pair of jeans that accentuates your butt make you a slut.

[ALVAREZ6]

T Park is actually right though, girls in HS dress like absolute whores these days.


I'm not complaining though, I'm just telling you guys that they do.

[T Park]

TPark has got to be the biggest retarted douche this board has ever seen

and the kids are home from school today I see......



T Park is actually right though, girls in HS dress like absolute whores these days.


I'm not complaining though, I'm just telling you guys that they do.



Your exactly right.

Im around kids in my business all the time, and the shit they wear is disgusting.

If the parents aren't going to set any guidelines, then the freakin schools sure have to...

[ALVAREZ6]

I don't mind it know since I'm a HS male myself, but sometimes they get carried away and go a little too far.


All I know is if I ever have a daughter, there's no way she's gonna wear what I see some girls wear now.

[SpursWoman]

Showing cleavage does not make anyone a "whore". No more than wearing a pair of jeans that accentuates your butt make you a slut.


So, you're either a whore or a tease. Neither is better than the other, IMO. I guess a happy medium is just too much to ask for ...considering these girls are all underage.

[Ginofan]

I don't think you can blame the girls totally. They are only wearing what they see on TV and in magazines.

There are very few girls that want to be "sluts" Tpark, just because you are wearing a low cut shirt doesn't make you one. Are you going to make your future daughter wear turtlenecks and sweatpants everyday she goes to school?

[spurster]

No shorts at Northside, except for PE, athletics, and other extracurricular stuff, e.g., shorts for marching band practice. Yes, it's hot, but otherwise you have girls with shorts up to their crotches and boys with shorts hanging from their knees.

[TDMVPDPOY]

drop its liikeiitts hott

[Brick|ayer]

I used to be a school principal out here in Cali, but I got tired of it. I was so sick of the girls coming to school half naked all the time, and it seems like they weren't following the infraction system very well. They didn't like when I gave them hefty infractions, so they ignored them.

So basically, I was owned, so I quit my job. My principal years are way behind me.

[2Blonde]

It's been happening since the beginning of time. Girls grow breasts, guys notice them. Covered up or not they are still there and if some anal administrator thinks that's going to make any difference then he/she needs to get his/her head out of his/her ass. I saw the story on last night's news and cracked up when I saw some old dude pull out a ruler and start measuring 4" down from the neck. That's a sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen. These teachers whipping out these rulers and actually touching the chests of these teens...

I can see it now... "My baby was violated by that pervert, MR. P O L I C E M A N :cop !!!" :lmao

[PM5K]

:ttiwwp:

[ShoogarBear]

It's been happening since the beginning of time. Girls grow breasts, guys notice them. Covered up or not they are still there and if some anal administrator thinks that's going to make any difference then he/she needs to get his/her head out of his/her ass. I saw the story on last night's news and cracked up when I saw some old dude pull out a ruler and start measuring 4" down from the neck. That's a sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen. These teachers whipping out these rulers and actually touching the chests of these teens...
Oh, man. This post is just begging for some creative editing.

Otherwise, I am severely disappointed in the overall humor content of this thread.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Oh, man. This post is just begging for some creative editing.

Otherwise, I am severely disappointed in the overall humor content of this thread.

I thought my equation was worthy of some laughs.

[T Park]

Are you going to make your future daughter wear turtlenecks and sweatpants everyday she goes to school?


Not at all.

Respectable clothes.

Nice sleveless polo shirts.

Short shorts that are tastefull but not practically showing asscheek.



I don't think you can blame the girls totally. They are only wearing what they see on TV and in magazines.



wich comes back to the teachers having to raise the damn kids, cause parents don't pay attention to what their kids buy or wear.

[ORION]

when I was in highschool walking in front of cantaloupes in the super market made me horny

[Mavs_man_41]

[QUOTE=Johnny_Blaze_47
“It's gotten bad enough that, unfortunately, our young males are looking at more than their English book, their speech book, their science book,” says school board president Sherri Wade. “And it's kind of nice to have something left to the imagination.”[/QUOTE]

Lol that is my old speech teacher.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

“It's gotten bad enough that, unfortunately, our young males are looking at more than their English book, their speech book, their science book,” says school board president Sherri Wade. “And it's kind of nice to have something left to the imagination.”

Lol that is my old speech teacher.

You know, since Sherri's telling us we need something left to the imagination...I think she should be compelled to show us the goods.

[waterbottle2000]

my school doesn't even let us wear clothing

[phyzik]

First, I'd like to point out this needs to be addressed first with the middle schoolers... now that is freaking sick the way some of them dress. Highschool, to me, seems to be getting worse and worse at both the rediculous stuff the kids get away with and the rediculous rules to try and stop it.

I say quit fucking around and put it back on the parents. Kid shows up and ANYONE in authority who thinks they are dressed inapropriately the kid is sent home automatically AND it counts as an absense (the ones where if you have to many you need to make it up on weekends or you will not advance to next grade and/or graduate). If it continues, expell the fuckers. Dont make bullshit rules that punish everyone because believe it or not there actually ARE some kids who can follow the rules if they are fair.

for the record I graduated in 98 so no, Im not in highschool, and could care less either way :smokin

[scott]

A little titty never hurt anyone.

[Mavs_man_41]

You know, since Sherri's telling us we need something left to the imagination...I think she should be compelled to show us the goods.

lmao i dont think you would want that...... :vomit:

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.aisd.net/images/board/Wade.jpg

[attyjackiechiles]

Cleavage showing girls in High School? That's deplorable, unfathomable, improbable!!





Hmmmm.....I could turn tit for tat!

[J.T.]

And on the eighth day, the Lord created pornography.

[leemajors]

A little titty never hurt anyone.

damn you and your hypnotic sig.

[LuvBones]

It's getting harder and harder for kids to find clothes to wear to middle/high school. I agree with phyzik.. there are kids who can follow the rules if they are fair, but this is getting out of hand. Factor in the heat in San Antonio.... there were days I wanted to go to school in my underwear! :lol

[T Park]

It's getting harder and harder for kids to find clothes to wear to middle/high school

Oh puhlease.

[SpursWoman]

Oh puhlease.


I had to find my daughter khaki pants for middle school ... and 95% of the ones I could find had about 6 inches of material in the seat of them ... that would allow enough ass crack to do even the nastiest plumber proud. I still don't understand how this came into fashion ... I guess the girls that wear them don't ever sit down. :spin

I had a really hard time finding her anything cute but respectable....I was so frustrated by the time we left I was ready to murder someone. So yeah, it is hard to find young girls clothes that mom & daughter can both be happy with. Trust me ... I have practical experience in this area. Or do you regularly go shopping in the Junior's department? :lol

And before the "you are the parent and she is the kid and they do whatever you tell them to do" lecture starts, when they start becoming young adults you're going to need to learn how to compromise or you are going to have kids that hate your fucking guts and your life will be pretty damn miserable. And while that's okay for some, it's not okay for me. :cuss :music

[Mixability]

T Pork lecturing about parenting............... :lmao

[1Parker1]

My school allowed em. But Im sure girls kept trying to wear those stupid abercrombie and fitch shorts that show part of your ass, and have phrases on the back like "sexy" or, "Hot"


Nothin like a 14 year old, stompin around wearing those.

:lmao I have a pair of those "Sexy" shorts. But I only wear them to sleep :oops

[SpursWoman]

:lmao I have a pair of those "Sexy" shorts. But I only wear them to sleep :oops


I bought my daughter a few pairs that say "SOFTBALL" on the rear ... they're cute, but definitely too short for school. She wore them once and I ended up having to leave work to bring her some pants. :spin

And on another note ... I had made my daughter try on one of those little navy pleated skirts (in the standard uniform section) ... and weirdly enough, that actually looked too sexy. Fortunately she didn't like it, because no way I would have bought it. It was waaaaay to Catholic school girlish. :wow :lmao

[dougp]

I bought my daughter a few pairs that say "SOFTBALL" on the rear ... they're cute, but definitely too short for school. She wore them once and I ended up having to leave work to bring her some pants. :spin

And on another note ... I had made my daughter try on one of those little navy pleated skirts (in the standard uniform section) ... and weirdly enough, that actually looked too sexy. Fortunately she didn't like it, because no way I would have bought it. It was waaaaay to Catholic school girlish. :wow :lmao
My little cousin (she's 15, not so little, but eh) is horrible about this stuff - and my Aunt & Uncle don't care ... And I talk to her about it and she says that guys always come after her thinking because of how she dresses she'll put out. So thustly, I told her to quit dressing like that and she said that she likes being a tease ... WTF? The shit her and her friends wear is so damn ridiculous, and should be illegal cause I feel like such a perv looking at them thinking - I saw a girl at the bar the other night wearing that ...

[1Parker1]

Oh, and I am totally with SW on this one...I swear every single pair of clothing you buy these days is "Low rise" and shows your ass crack when you sit down...I think that's more insulting/distracting than cleavage.

[tlongII]

Sounds like another lame attempt to legislate morality which I am vehemently opposed to. Teaching morality is not the primary mission of public schools, education is. Parents need to take a more active interest in what their kids are wearing. Children respect their parent's guidelines much more than any school administrator's...or at least they should.

[tlongII]

Oh, and I am totally with SW on this one...I swear every single pair of clothing you buy these days is "Low rise" and shows your ass crack when you sit down...I think that's more insulting/distracting than cleavage.

This has probably already been posted, but......


:ttiwwp:

[1Parker1]

:lol Tlong, I remember there was this girl in my Econ class last semester...and she wore those kinds of low rise jeans every single day to class...and not only did I see her Butt crack every class...I also saw what color thong she was wearing. I swear every single guy sitting around me never paid attention to a word my professor said :lol

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

This has probably already been posted, but......


:ttiwwp:

Actually, I would have saved your thoughts for this post...


:lmao I have a pair of those "Sexy" shorts. But I only wear them to sleep :oops

[1Parker1]

Sorry boys, that was a gift from the boyfriend...for his eyes only :angel

[SpursWoman]

Oh, and I am totally with SW on this one...I swear every single pair of clothing you buy these days is "Low rise" and shows your ass crack when you sit down...I think that's more insulting/distracting than cleavage.


I had picked a pair of pants off the rack and held it up to look at them, and I guess I said out loud what I was thinking in my head ...

"Where the hell is the rest of the ass on these jeans?"

... because several other mothers standing around me busted out laughing in agreement, and my daughter looked like she was going to die from embarrassment.

:lmao :lol

[1Parker1]

:lmao That's awesome. Did your daughter pull the, "I am never going out with you in public again" card?

[ShoogarBear]

:lmao I have a pair of those "Sexy" shorts. But I only wear them to sleep :oops
I have an idea for next year's avatars . . .

[SpursWoman]

I have an idea for next year's avatars . . .


Well, I'm out then. We're only allotted 160X80. :depressed

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I have an idea for next year's avatars . . .

Why wait?

[tlongII]

Oh, and I am totally with SW on this one...I swear every single pair of clothing you buy these days is "Low rise" and shows your ass crack when you sit down...I think that's more insulting/distracting than cleavage.

Why am I not insulted when I see these?

[SpursWoman]

:lmao That's awesome. Did your daughter pull the, "I am never going out with you in public again" card?


"I can't believe you said that, Mother."

I just told her to wait, it gets better....so she ran off to the dressing rooms to try some more stuff on. :lol :angel

[1Parker1]

I have an idea for next year's avatars . . .


Well, I'm out then. We're only allotted 160X80.

:lmao Don't worry, Slomo can work his magic and shrink the image in no time!

[ShoogarBear]

Damn, 1P1 is getting evil in her old age.

[SpursWoman]

:lmao Don't worry, Slomo can work his magic and shrink the image in no time!


I'm not sure if Photoshop is powerful enough. :oops :lol

[1Parker1]

Don't worry SW, I have it on good authroty that 98% of the male population prefers women with JLo-like asses. :oops

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

My dad worked at a high school for the last 25 years and he has always said that it was the dress code violations that drove him up the wall the worst because they were probably the simplest damn rules to follow and they aren't the sort of thing you can accidentally violate.

I think what needs to happen is these young ladies need someone to set them straight on a few points:
1. No matter how much of a whore you look like, the boys that you attract will only be thinking of much better looking whores while they have sex with you, so there's no need to go all out like that.
2. Having sex is what will make you popular, not just dressing sexy. The way that rumor mills work what you are wearing doesn't matter once the word gets around that you put out. And if you aren't willing to put out then you really shouldn't dress like a tramp, because if you get a rep as a cock tease then the boys won't even bother looking. Which girl do you think a boy is more likely to go after when his buddy points her out across the cafeteria, the one he points at and says, "Dude I can totally see her bra!" or "Dude, see that chick in the mumu? She does anal."
3. Stop going through puberty! If there weren't all these damn boobies swinging around all the time this wouldn't be an issue. The simplest solution to all of this is that second that little Suzie tells her parents that she just had her first period they get her ass training for a marathon. That's an ounce of prevention right there.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

"Dude, see that chick in the mumu? She does anal."


Your entire argument went unnoticed based on the hilarity of that line alone. :lmao

[dougp]

SFIE wins this thread ... rofl

[2Blonde]

My dad worked at a high school for the last 25 years and he has always said that it was the dress code violations that drove him up the wall the worst because they were probably the simplest damn rules to follow and they aren't the sort of thing you can accidentally violate.

I think what needs to happen is these young ladies need someone to set them straight on a few points:
1. No matter how much of a whore you look like, the boys that you attract will only be thinking of much better looking whores while they have sex with you, so there's no need to go all out like that.
2. Having sex is what will make you popular, not just dressing sexy. The way that rumor mills work what you are wearing doesn't matter once the word gets around that you put out. And if you aren't willing to put out then you really shouldn't dress like a tramp, because if you get a rep as a cock tease then the boys won't even bother looking. Which girl do a boy is more likely to go after when his buddy points her out across the cafeteria, the one he points at and says, "Dude I can totally see her bra!" or "Dude, see that chick in the mumu? She does anal."
3. Stop going through puberty! If there weren't all these damn boobies swinging around all the time this wouldn't be an issue. The simplest solution to all of this is that second that little Suzie tells her parents that she just had her first period they get her ass training for a marathon. That's an ounce of prevention right there.
Well for a man who worked with teens for 25 years he obviously never spent any time shopping for them! The availability of decent, affordable, yet fashionable clothes for young girls is very scarce. Trying to find something for your daughter that follows whatever dress code your school requires that particular year, along with helping them feel as if they fit in and taking in to consideration there constantly changing body style at those ages is a juggling act. You can buy them a t shirt that is loose and comes down to their hips in August and by October it's tight and showing skin below their belly button.
The rules can be accidentally violated. When you are used to wearing something every day you don't tend to notice the gradual changes in fit until one day someone points it out and then you get pissed because you've been wearing it for months and nobody complained.

I think calling girls that age whores for how they dress is not very positive way to get them to adjust their style of dress.

Maybe the school districts should get with the retailers in the area and find a way to sell clothing that is appropriate for the school dress codes. When the schools don't allow spaghetti straps or tank tops but seems to be all they sell, it's pretty damn hard to shop for your child. Have you tried to force a 14 year-old in to an outfit they didn't want to wear 5 days a week for 10 months a year and still live to tell about it?

[orhe]

^^
so what happened first?

Did the demand for such clothes grow first or did Celebs and designers enforced that kind of style on their clothes on buyers?

[SpursWoman]

Maybe the school districts should get with the retailers in the area and find a way to sell clothing that is appropriate for the school dress codes. When the schools don't allow spaghetti straps or tank tops but seems to be all they sell, it's pretty damn hard to shop for your child. Have you tried to force a 14 year-old in to an outfit they didn't want to wear 5 days a week for 10 months a year and still live to tell about it?



Exactly! :lol

[DarkReign]

I had to find my daughter khaki pants for middle school ... and 95% of the ones I could find had about 6 inches of material in the seat of them ... that would allow enough ass crack to do even the nastiest plumber proud. I still don't understand how this came into fashion ... I guess the girls that wear them don't ever sit down. :spin

I had a really hard time finding her anything cute but respectable....I was so frustrated by the time we left I was ready to murder someone. So yeah, it is hard to find young girls clothes that mom & daughter can both be happy with. Trust me ... I have practical experience in this area. Or do you regularly go shopping in the Junior's department? :lol

And before the "you are the parent and she is the kid and they do whatever you tell them to do" lecture starts, when they start becoming young adults you're going to need to learn how to compromise or you are going to have kids that hate your fucking guts and your life will be pretty damn miserable. And while that's okay for some, it's not okay for me. :cuss :music

A-fucking-men.

Thats Parenting 101.

[ALVAREZ6]

:lmao I have a pair of those "Sexy" shorts. But I only wear them to sleep :oops
I love those shorts.

[ALVAREZ6]

Exactly! :lol
Did awmyplace steal your password?

[DarkReign]

This whole thread is just another example of why I will never have children. Just managing a child from birth to adulthood with no outside influence is severly difficult.

Factor in MTV, rap music, puberty and the internet.....Yikes! No fucking thank you.

[SpursWoman]

This whole thread is just another example of why I will never have children.


Eh, just have boys. When I told my son to go pick out some shirts to try on, he came back with this exact one:


http://www.boomspeed.com/sweetc/b8_1.jpg


:lol

[2Blonde]

Eh, just have boys. When I told my son to go pick out some shirts to try on, he came back with this exact one:


http://www.boomspeed.com/sweetc/b8_1.jpg


:lol:lmao

[1Parker1]

:lmao That's awesome...what store was that? I'm thinking of buying one for myself right about now...

[1Parker1]

I love those shorts.

Good to know my boyfriend's taste is the same as a 16 year old's...:tu :lol

[SpursWoman]

JC Penney's. :lol

[Spurminator]

"Dude, see that chick in the mumu? She does anal."


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[ALVAREZ6]

Good to know my boyfriend's taste is the same as a 16 year old's...:tu :lol
Or the same as any male of any age :tu

[ALVAREZ6]

http://trickedoutent.com/catalog/images/n_ladies_boyshorts_pink_white.jpg

IMHO, I think these look better on a fine ass than a thong does.

Don't know why.

[1Parker1]

:lol Sorry to ruin the mental image...but my shorts aren't that short...

[ALVAREZ6]

When the only way that we will ever know the exact shorts you have is to put them on and take a picture because if you take a picture of the shorts themselves, there is no reference point.

[1Parker1]

:lmao Not that I'm going to do it...but how exactly is one supposed to take a picture of her own ass? Is that possible?

[ALVAREZ6]

:lmao Not that I'm going to do it...but how exactly is one supposed to take a picture of her own ass? Is that possible?
It sure is.




Stand up to a mirror, turn around, aim the camera at the mirror, and SNAP!

[SpursWoman]

:lmao Not that I'm going to do it...but how exactly is one supposed to take a picture of her own ass? Is that possible?


Your camera doesn't have a timer? :nerd :lol

[dougp]

Your camera doesn't have a timer? :nerd :lol
Someone volunteering to give an example? :angel

[tlongII]

I will post a picture of my ass!

[dougp]

I will post a picture of my ass!
Got somewhere to store the vomit from all the posters who see it? :vomit:

[1Parker1]

Your camera doesn't have a timer? :nerd :lol

:lol I thought of that...but how to get the exact aim of that???

[dougp]

:lol I thought of that...but how to get the exact aim of that???
Practice :devil

[SpursWoman]

Practice :devil


:tu :lol

[Mixability]

http://trickedoutent.com/catalog/images/n_ladies_boyshorts_pink_white.jpg

IMHO, I think these look better on a fine ass than a thong does.

Don't know why.

:tu

Leaves more(not much more) to the imagination.

[Mixability]

This whole thread is just another example of why I will never have children. Just managing a child from birth to adulthood with no outside influence is severly difficult.

Factor in MTV, rap music, puberty and the internet.....Yikes! No fucking thank you.

Damn, you blame everything on rap music, huh? :lol

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Damn, you blame everything on rap music, huh? :lol

I'd hate to see what happens if the Tigers collapse...

[ShoogarBear]

I will post a picture of my ass!
My god, man, is no four-legged creature safe from you?

[Spurminator]

Damn, you blame everything on rap music, huh? :lol


Well, if Disco can cause A.I.D.S....

[MissAllThat]

I guess I think this is kind of a good thing. I'm not much older than high school girls, and even I sometimes am shocked by what they're wearing.

[Goliadnative]

Damn, you blame everything on rap music, huh? :lol

Maybe it does cause somethings.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/nation/15216803.htm

CHICAGO - Teens whose iPods are full of music with raunchy, sexual lyrics start having sex sooner than those who prefer other songs, a study found.

Whether it's hip-hop, rap, pop or rock, much of popular music aimed at teens contains sexual overtones. Its influence on their behavior appears to depend on how the sex is portrayed, researchers found.

Teens who said they listened to lots of music with degrading sexual messages were almost twice as likely to start having intercourse or engaging in other sexual activities within the following two years as were teens who listened to little or no sexually degrading music.

Among heavy listeners, 51 percent started having sex within two years, versus 29 percent of those who said they listened to little or no sexually degrading music.

Exposure to lots of sexually degrading music "gives them a specific message about sex," said lead author Steven Martino, a researcher for Rand Corp. in Pittsburgh. Boys learn they should relentlessly pursue women, and girls learn to view themselves as sex objects, he said.

"We think that really lowers kids' inhibitions and makes them less thoughtful" about sexual decisions and may influence them to make decisions they regret, he said.

The study, based on telephone interviews with 1,461 participants ages 12 to 17, appears in the August issue of Pediatrics, being released today.

Benjamin Chavis, chief executive officer of the Hip-Hip Summit Action Network, a coalition of hip-hop musicians and recording industry executives, said, "We caution rushing to judgment that music more than any other factor is a causative factor" for early sex among teens.

Yvonne K. Fulbright, a New York-based sex researcher and author, said factors including peer pressure, self-esteem and home environment are probably more influential than the research suggests.

"It's a little dangerous to just pinpoint one thing. You have to look at everything that's going on in a young person's life," she said. "When somebody has a healthy sense of themselves, they don't take these lyrics too seriously."

But David Walsh, a psychologist who heads the National Institute on Media and the Family, said the results echo research on the influence of videos and other visual media.

The brain's impulse-control center undergoes "major construction" during the teen years even as an interest in sex starts to blossom, he said.

Add sexually arousing lyrics, and "it's not that surprising that a kid with a heavier diet of that ... would be at greater risk for sexual behavior," Walsh said.

[ShoogarBear]

Gee, you know what? They could have written that story in 1956 as easily as they could have in 2006.

[Mixability]

Gee, you know what? They could have written that story in 1956 as easily as they could have in 2006.

:lmao

But now it's rap that is bad, not rock and roll. :rolleyes

[SpursWoman]

To be fair, though ... I can honestly say I was thoroughly mortified when I found out my 9 & 11 year olds knew what 50 cent meant by "lick the lollipop".

Can you imagine Elvis singing that song? :wow :lmao

[Mixability]

To be fair, though ... I can honestly say I was thoroughly mortified when I found out my 9 & 11 year olds knew what 50 cent meant by "lick the lollipop".

Can you imagine Elvis singing that song? :wow :lmao

But some people make it out like rap is the ONLY genre that talks about sex. :rolleyes

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

But some people make it out like rap is the ONLY genre that talks about sex. :rolleyes

It's been going on forever. I'm sure some wandering minstrel back in the day sang a song about frollicking in his fair maiden's dewy valley and got beheaded for it.

[SpursWoman]

Of course they all do ... but I think rap gets most of the heat because it tends to be a lot more explicit and doesn't leave a lot to the imagination.


*shrugs*



frollicking in his fair maiden's dewy valley

That would go completely over my kids' head, or they would ignore it because it sounds fruity and boring.


He fucked the shit out of that bitch and blew skeet on her face

That would absolutely get their attention. :lol

[1Parker1]

To be fair, though ... I can honestly say I was thoroughly mortified when I found out my 9 & 11 year olds knew what 50 cent meant by "lick the lollipop".

Damn, that's just sad. No 9 year old should know what the heck that means. When I was 9, I was still playing with my Barbie's...

[dougp]

Of course they all do ... but I think rap gets most of the heat because it tends to be a lot more explicit and doesn't leave a lot to the imagination.


*shrugs*




That would go completely over my kids' head, or they would ignore it because it sounds fruity and boring.



That would absolutely get their attention. :lol
If I had been drinking something at the moment I read that SW, my company would be billing you for a new keyboard! :lol

[SpursWoman]

They still giggle and can't believe how gross that is, but they know what it is nonetheless. :fro

[Mixability]

Damn, that's just sad. No 9 year old should know what the heck that means. When I was 9, I was still playing with my Barbie's...

And you STILL don't know what it means......... :lol :angel

[SpursWoman]

If I had been drinking something at the moment I read that SW, my company would be billing you for a new keyboard! :lol



Sorry. :oops :lol

[dougp]

Sorry. :oops :lol
Such lies - you're one of those people sent out by the government to prevent us from finding out the truth by ruining our keyboards!!!:spless:

[Spurminator]

I would never argue that rap CAUSES any of that, but I would argue that it helps to perpetuate it... Just like 80's hair metal perpetuated the objectifying of women, emo perpetuates suburban teenage melancholy and mainstream country music perpetuates generally poor taste in music.

But really, in Middle School and High School, the only reason anyone does anything is because other people are doing it. They dress that way because their friends dress that way, and they listen to rap because their friends listen to rap.

[SpursWoman]

mainstream country music perpetuates generally poor taste in music.


:lol

[ALVAREZ6]

Damn, that's just sad. No 9 year old should know what the heck that means. When I was 9, I was still playing with my Barbie's...
But they all do, any 9 year old with some mental capacity should be able to figure it out...9 years old is like 3rd grade. Males at that age are already thinking about hot chicks, I know I was.



It's not that hard for a kid to figure out that some big black guy isn't rapping about lollipops.

[ALVAREZ6]

But really, in Middle School and High School, the only reason anyone does anything is because other people are doing it. They dress that way because their friends dress that way, and they listen to rap because their friends listen to rap.
:tu :tu :tu


I am one of the few that doesn't do shit because others do.

[Mixability]

It's not that hard for a kid to figure out that some big black guy isn't rapping about lollipops.

But can they correctly recognize a yak when they see one?

[ALVAREZ6]

But can they correctly recognize a yak when they see one?
:lol

I wouldn't know

[ShoogarBear]

Damn, that's just sad. No 9 year old should know what the heck that means. When I was 9, I was still playing with my Barbie's...
But enough reminiscing about Saturday.

[Mixability]

Rap is bad for kids, just look at this for proof: Effects of Rap Music on White Suburbia (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?userid=5790)

[ShoogarBear]

Can you imagine Elvis singing that song? :wow :lmao
I absolutely can imagine him using that particular lyric. What do you think "Rock and Roll" meant? What do you think "Whole Lotta Shakin'" meant? The entire damn genre was based on euphemisms for sex.

[ALVAREZ6]

Hey how you doin lil mama? lemme whisper in your ear
Tell you sumthing that you might like to hear
You got a sexy ass body and your ass look soft
Mind if I touch it? and see if its soft
Naw I'm jus playin' unless you say I can
And im known to be a real nasty man
And they say a closed mouth dont get fed
So I don't mind asking for head
You heard what I said, we need to make our way to the bed
And you can start usin' yo head
You like to fuck, have yo legs open all in da butt
Do it up slappin ass cuz the sex gets rough
Switch the positions and ready to get down to business
So you can see what you've been missin'
You might had some but you never had none like this
Just wait til you see my dick

Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Wait til you see my dick
Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Imma beat dat pussy up
Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Wait you see my dick
Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Imma beat dat pussy up

Like B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM

Beat da pussy up, Beat da pussy up, Beat da pussy up, Beat da pussy up, Beat da pussy up, Beat da pussy up, Beat da pussy
Up, Beat da pussy up

[verse 2]

You fine, but I aint gone sweat ya
See I wanna fuck, tell me whats up
Walk around the club with yo thumb in ya mouth
Put my dick in, take your thumb out
There might be a lil kosher to deal with
Wet fat hoe's crunk up they dont spill shit
I keep a hoe hot when I'm puttin' in work
Wanna skeet skeet you bout to get your feelin's hurt
Cuz I'll beat dat cat with a dog
And knock da walls of a broad til she scrawl
Like (OOOOOH!)
Yea something like that, but it depends on the swing of the baseball bat
Fuck a bitch on da counter make the
Plates fall Back
On the floor she aint screamin she a nut so they crack
Crack...crack
Fuck that bend over imma give you the dick

Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Wait til you see my dick
Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Imma beat dat pussy up
Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Wait you see my dick
Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Imma beat dat pussy up

Like B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM

Beat da pussy up, Beat da pussy up, Beat da pussy up, Beat da pussy up, Beat da pussy up, Beat da pussy up, Beat da pussy
Up, Beat da pussy up

(OOOOOOOH!)


Only in rap will 2 annoying shitbags whisper the whole damn song telling some bitch "wait til you see my dick"

[Mixability]

I absolutely can imagine him using that particular lyric. What do you think "Rock and Roll" meant? What do you think "Whole Lotta Shakin'" meant? The entire damn genre was based on euphemisms for sex.

I don't want to hear the reasoning behind the name, "The Big Bopper".

[Mixability]

Only in rap will 2 annoying shitbags whisper the whole damn song telling some bitch "wait til you see my dick"

But let me guess, you rocked out to Limp Bizkits "Nookie" a few years back, right? :rolleyes

[ALVAREZ6]

But let me guess, you rocked out to Limp Bizkits "Nookie" a few years back, right? :rolleyes
No

[Mixability]

No

Oh sorry, you were what, 8? when that shit was getting play? :lol

[ALVAREZ6]

Oh sorry, you were what, 8? when that shit was getting play? :lol
:lmao :lol :lmao :lmao :lmao :lol :lol


:lol :lmao :lol :lol :lmao :lmao




!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


:lmao

[Mixability]

:lmao :lol :lmao :lmao :lmao :lol :lol


:lol :lmao :lol :lol :lmao :lmao




!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


:lmao

I guess so. :lol

[ALVAREZ6]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol X 1000000
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Mixability]

damn, i HAD to look it up, it was 1999, you were 10, my apologies. :lol

[SpursWoman]

I absolutely can imagine him using that particular lyric. What do you think "Rock and Roll" meant? What do you think "Whole Lotta Shakin'" meant? The entire damn genre was based on euphemisms for sex.


Of course you're right. I was typing "lick the lollipop" but my mind wasn't thinking in euphemisms or metaphors, it was thinking "suck my dick". Sorry. :spin



And sorry, Alvarez ... I don't know what kind of hood you grew up in, but where I come from 9 year olds should be thinking about sports and Yugioh cards and Crash Bandicoot or whathefuckever. Not blow jobs.

[ALVAREZ6]

Of course you're right. I was typing "lick the lollipop" but my mind wasn't thinking in euphemisms or metaphors, it was thinking "suck my dick". Sorry. :spin



And sorry, Alvarez ... I don't know what kind of hood you grew up in, but where I come from 9 year olds should be thinking about sports and Yugioh cards and Crash Bandicoot or whathefuckever. Not blow jobs.
It's impossible these days at 9 years old to not know what a blow job is.


Just because a 9 year old occasionally thinks about hot chicks doesn't mean that he doesn't have time to think about sports. What does a man think about anyway? Sports and sex.



When I was 9 (3rd grade), I think Britney Spears was just coming out with that video where she dances around in that school uniform. I don't think I was the only little boy thinking about her.

[ALVAREZ6]

SpursWoman, just face the facts, your son is thinking about sex right now.

[Spurminator]

What do you think "Whole Lotta Shakin'" meant?

I always thought it was dancing, but I suppose it could be Parkinson's...

[Mixability]

When I was 9 (3rd grade), I think Britney Spears was just coming out with that video where she dances around in that school uniform. I don't think I was the only little boy thinking about her.

Yeah, but I don't think you were thinking about her slobbing your knob, you were probably just wishing to see her panties. :lol

[ALVAREZ6]

Yeah, but I don't think you were thinking about her slobbing your knob, you were probably just wishing to see her panties. :lol
What chu know bout dat?

[ALVAREZ6]

http://btnenotee.webpark.pl/manbrain.jpg

[Mixability]

What chu know bout dat?

So you're saying at 9, you were thinking of Brit on her knees?

[ALVAREZ6]

So you're saying at 9, you were thinking of Brit on her knees?
:lol No


I don't remember exactly what I was thinking of her...I doubt I was thinking about slamming the fuck out of her, but it's not like I was just thinking about hugging her or holding her hand or some shit like that.

[Mixability]

:lol No


I don't remember exactly what I was thinking of her...I doubt I was thinking about slamming the fuck out of her, but it's not like I was just thinking about hugging her or holding her hand or some shit like that.


:lmao

Whats the middle ground there? Kissing her? Yeah, thats very sexual! Stop scaring the parents around here!

[ALVAREZ6]

:lmao

Whats the middle ground there? Kissing her? Yeah, thats very sexual! Stop scaring the parents around here!
I'm not trying to scare anyone.


This all started because someone couldn't believe that a 9 year old can figure out what "I'll lick you like a lollipop" means.

[DarkReign]

I'd hate to see what happens if the Tigers collapse...


Rap's FAULT! AAAAaaaaaargh!

[Mixability]

I'm not trying to scare anyone.


This all started because someone couldn't believe that a 9 year old can figure out what "I'll lick you like a lollipop" means.


"Settle down Beavis"

It was a joke.

I'm sure anyone, except awmyplace, could figure it out, but overexaggerating that kids are all about sex nowadays is pushing it.

[ALVAREZ6]

"Settle down Beavis"

It was a joke.

I'm sure anyone, except awmyplace, could figure it out, but overexaggerating that kids are all about sex nowadays is pushing it.
I never said that kids are all about sex. Of course there are sports and other BS in the mix.

[ALVAREZ6]

BTW, I'm not a fucking dumbass, I knew it was a joke, I just wanted to get to the point.

[DarkReign]

No truer words were spoken than "The only reason kids do anything, is because other are doing it."

If others have wristbands and hand signs that signify what sexual act they are willing to perform, so do others. That shit, right there, junior high, is real.

I was blown away.

[SpursWoman]

I'm not trying to scare anyone.


This all started because someone couldn't believe that a 9 year old can figure out what "I'll lick you like a lollipop" means.


A very big thing that you don't seem to understand about young children unless you deal with them on a daily basis is that they are very literal. They don't get innuendo or sarcasm until they are a little older and they don't have enough life experience to get the connection unless their perv little 13 year old cousin fills them in ... so the first thing they are going to think of when you say lollipop is candy, you little deviant trying to look like a bad ass. :lol

Of course he's already looking at girls, and he knows he likes them ... he already has a little girlfriend. He just doesn't know what he's supposed to do with them yet. As it should be. Things might be different and I might have more grey hair around this time next year, but for right now he's still my little innocent baby. :angel :makeout

[Mixability]

BTW, I'm not a fucking dumbass

Yak. :angel :lol

[Mixability]

They don't get innuendo or sarcasm until they are a little older and they don't have enough life experience to get the connection unless their perv little 13 year old cousin fills them in ...

I thought it was all mtv's fault...... :rolleyes :lol

[ALVAREZ6]

I understand that SpursWoman, but how easy is it for a 9 year old to turn on the TV???


Knowing that MTV, MTV2, BET, VH1, all the channels that show videos, and how much they overplay 50 cent videos, they are bound to catch a video every now and then, don't you think???

Maybe when they see the video and see chicks that are half-naked dancing up on 50 and hooking up with him on a bed, they understand that the song isn't about lollipops.

After seeing that and they still think the song is about lollipops, I'm sorry, they aren't very bright.

[ALVAREZ6]

Yak. :angel :lol
I never called it a yak

[SpursWoman]

I thought it was all mtv's fault...... :rolleyes :lol


No, it's all on my nephew. Like all the porn he showed them how to look up that we found in our cache. http://www.boomspeed.com/sweetc/ydoh.gif :lol

[dougp]

A very big thing that you don't seem to understand about young children unless you deal with them on a daily basis is that they are very literal. They don't get innuendo or sarcasm until they are a little older and they don't have enough life experience to get the connection unless their perv little 13 year old cousin fills them in ... so the first thing they are going to think of when you say lollipop is candy, you little deviant trying to look like a bad ass. :lol

Of course he's already looking at girls, and he knows he likes them ... he already has a little girlfriend. He just doesn't know what he's supposed to do with them yet. As it should be. Things might be different and I might have more grey hair around this time next year, but for right now he's still my little innocent baby. :angel :makeout
There's a lot of things that I didn't know about until my 15 year old cousins (male and female) both filled me in ... not that I'm obscure, but there are quite a few things going around in Junior High and High School that are pretty f'ed up for kids those age.

Both know they'd get disowned by my entire family if they do something stupid, though I know both of them have done more things than society says they should ... which is really screwed up, but what can you do? The more you tell a kid not to think about/do it, they want to.

[SpursWoman]

I understand that SpursWoman, but how easy is it for a 9 year old to turn on the TV???


Knowing that MTV, MTV2, BET, VH1, all the channels that show videos, and how much they overplay 50 cent videos, they are bound to catch a video every now and then, don't you think???

Maybe when they see the video and see chicks that are half-naked dancing up on 50 and hooking up with him on a bed, they understand that the song isn't about lollipops.

After seeing that and they still think the song is about lollipops, I'm sorry, they aren't very bright.


MTV, etc., is blocked in my house. For one thing, it's stupid now. User is actually worse (better?) about nipping that shit in the bud than I am....he's sabotaged both of their TV's. :makeout :tu :lol

[ALVAREZ6]

MTV, etc., is blocked in my house. User is actually worse about nipping that shit in the bud than I am. :makeout :tu :lol
So, do you still think it's outrageously unbelievable that kids know more than you think?

[SpursWoman]

So, do you still think it's outrageously unbelievable that kids know more than you think?

I know what my kids know because I talk to them. And that's all that matters to me. :)

[furry_spurry]

Things always happened. Today schools are just more conscious and sensitive. I lost count of the number of athletes' jock straps that got sling-shotted onto my table at lunch in high school, but today, I bet those guys would be in awful trouble. Never phased me- I had brothers- but some of the girls would squeal to the guys delight. Me-- I'd just make jokes about how small it was!!

Like all the scandals with teachers and students- I know more than one person that occurred with, but back then, no one said anything.

[Spurminator]

Knowing that MTV, MTV2, BET, VH1, all the channels that show videos

Wait, when was the last time you watched MTV and VH1? :lol

[Mixability]

I never called it a yak

let it go, it's obvious you can't take a joke, move on.

[SpursWoman]

but today, I bet those guys would be in awful trouble.



I understand that they don't give swats anymore, either. I got swats. :drunk

[furry_spurry]

Wait, when was the last time you watched MTV and VH1? :lol
I remember when they ACTUALLY played music videos on MTV. :lol

[Mixability]

Wait, when was the last time you watched MTV and VH1? :lol

I'm guessing those are blocked because she doesn't want her kids watching episodes of "NEXT" with lesbians dry humping each other or the countdown of the "best songs to have Sex to". :lol

[Fillmoe]

its just some titties..... they gonna be hoes regardless

[SpursWoman]

I'm guessing those are blocked because she doesn't want her kids watching episodes of "NEXT" with lesbians dry humping each other or the countdown of the "best songs to have Sex to". :lol


I don't believe he was talking to me, but I really don't GAF what you let your kids watch, but mine aren't watching that. And I haven't watched those channels in at least 15 years because all they show is garbage and it's a total waste of my time.

[Spurminator]

I'm not a parent yet, but here's how I see myself addressing my MTV-age children when the time comes...

I mock it. I make them feel like complete idiots for watching it. I point out every minute flaw and annoyance. It worked with me... I watched Saved By the Bell once with my dad and it was humiliating. Of course, that wasn't exactly a raunchy show, but it was popular with kids my age...

Blocking shows or taking CDs away never really worked for me. It just made me want it more and I eventually moved on to the harder stuff like "Models, Inc." and Slayer.

So we'll see how that goes with Kid#1, and if that doesn't work... It's all-out blockage.

[Mixability]

I don't believe he was talking to me, but I really don't GAF what you let your kids watch, but mine aren't watching that. And I haven't watched those channels in at least 15 years because all they show is garbage and it's a total waste of my time.

Damn, did I hit a nerve? I wasn't mocking you, I was just being honest/sarcastic about the crap your kids are "missing out on".

[Spurminator]

The humiliation tactic could work with inappropriate clothing, too... Has anyone confronted their daughter's provocative attire by asking, "Who's dick are you planning to suck tonight?"

Does that work? I'm trying to get tips here...

[SpursWoman]

I'm not a parent yet, but here's how I see myself addressing my MTV-age children when the time comes...

I mock it. I make them feel like complete idiots for watching it. I point out every minute flaw and annoyance. It worked with me... I watched Saved By the Bell once with my dad and it was humiliating. Of course, that wasn't exactly a raunchy show, but it was popular with kids my age...

Blocking shows or taking CDs away never really worked for me. It just made me want it more and I eventually moved on to the harder stuff like "Models, Inc." and Slayer.

So we'll see how that goes with Kid#1, and if that doesn't work... It's all-out blockage.


I refused to let my kids watch the Teletubbies with that exact same technique...that has to have been the stupidest show on the planet. At least watching Barney they taught little lessons. :lol

And I'm sure they've managed to watch MTV or whatever at some point, but fuck if I'm going to make it easy for them. :)

[furry_spurry]

I mock it. I make them feel like complete idiots for watching it. I point out every minute flaw and annoyance. It worked with me... I watched Saved By the Bell once with my dad and it was humiliating. Of course, that wasn't exactly a raunchy show, but it was popular with kids my age...

Be interested in it yourself and then they won't be. :lol

[SpursWoman]

Damn, did I hit a nerve? I wasn't mocking you, I was just being honest/sarcastic about the crap your kids are "missing out on".


Sorry, I've been criticized before for apparently *sheltering* my kids too much and that I can't possibly understand or know what they know ... like withholding pornography and explicit music from my young children makes me "not cool" or a stuffy old prude or something. 1.) I'm not supposed to be too cool, I'm a mother; and 2.) A prude? WTF? :lmao

[DarkReign]

Sorry, I've been criticized before for apparently *sheltering* my kids too much ... like withholding pornography and explicit music from my young children makes me "not cool" or a stuffy old prude or something. 1.) I'm not supposed to be too cool, I'm a mother; and 2.) A prude? WTF? :lmao

pr0n? From kids? And you were criticized?

What a sad state of affairs. I will just resort to violence. Kid does something I dont like, I will kick him or her down the stairs. Worked for me.

[SpursWoman]

Yeah, I was trying to remember what thread that was in if it's still around.

[Mixability]

Sorry, I've been criticized before for apparently *sheltering* my kids too much and that I can't possibly understand or know what they know ... like withholding pornography and explicit music from my young children makes me "not cool" or a stuffy old prude or something. 1.) I'm not supposed to be too cool, I'm a mother; and 2.) A prude? WTF? :lmao

I don't know who the moron who siad: no porn = sheltering. :shootme

[DarkReign]

I don't know who the moron who siad: no porn = sheltering. :shootme

Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynn of course, the only 2 opinions that even matter.

[tlongII]

This thread is getting waaay off track! In the hope of returning it to its original focus I hereby submit the following two photos I took at a soccer game recently...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/tlongII/butt1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/tlongII/butt2.jpg

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060807/060807_overalls_vmed_1p.widec.jpg

From MSNBC's story about school fashion.

Kinda looks like Angie Harmon, that's hot.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14232292

[Phenomanul]

I don't disagree with you, Eric.

Well, I don't really have any other point, I don't disagree with you.

I do think Tyler has a little bit of the "No Pussy Blues."

Talk about peer pressure to 'give in' while in HS....

Where is the rule that states that one must be fully engaged in sexual activity before graduating from HS? Or that the person is a queer, a pansy, or fugly if not?

The 'norm' these days is quite abominable... and unfortunately I find myself swimming against the current with this line-of-thinking.

I admire those who can show restraint and 'save' themselves for marriage. That is the true sign of character, discipline and integrity. To each their own, though.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Talk about peer pressure to 'give in' while in HS....

Where is the rule that states that one must be fully engaged in sexual activity before graduating from HS? Or that the person is a queer, a pansy, or fugly if not?

The 'norm' these days is quite abominable... and unfortunately I find myself swimming against the current with this line-of-thinking.

I admire those who can show restraint and 'save' themselves for marriage. That is the true sign of character, discipline and integrity. To each their own, though.

Let's just address the holier-than-thou post one at a time.

No rule, but where is the rule that says they must not if they so choose? I also fail to see where I called him either of the three names (hell, who knows, I might have done it in another post in this thread, but I'm at work and I'm not about to navigate TLong's stalker pictures with editors around), I only said he had the "he's not getting any pussy blues." If he has them because he chooses not to, well, good for him. Who's to say if it's of his own accord?

I'm really glad you admire those who live up to your standards, hegamboa, I really am. I admire those who live up to their own standards.

I admire those who make their own decisions about sex. If they choose to have it, I hope they protect themselves and their lover from disease and the possibilities of pregnancy and the lifelong responsibilities that it can bring. If they want to wait for the "right time" (not necessarily marriage), go for it.

And even though it doesn't make a lick of difference, I didn't engage in sexual intercourse at anytime in my high school years.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Nope, I said he "needed to get laid."

You know, to take the edge off...

And then I said he had the (*singing*) "No Pussy Blues...."

You know, to take the edge off...

And then I responded to TPark's saying he was a "no-pussy getting wuss," of which he brought up, not me...

Well, that was to take my edge off...

So, no, Hegamboa, since I'm 26 years old, I fail to see the "peer" pressure I gave to whatever-the-hell-his-name-was, because I frankly don't remember at this point.

[Phenomanul]

Let's just address the holier-than-thou post one at a time.



I said to each their own.... when was I disallowed from criticizing mainstream opinions and concepts? Let's be clear on one thing; I'm not personally judging anybody.



No rule, but where is the rule that says they must not if they so choose? I also fail to see where I called him either of the three names (hell, who knows, I might have done it in another post in this thread, but I'm at work and I'm not about to navigate TLong's stalker pictures with editors around), I only said he had the "he's not getting any pussy blues." If he has them because he chooses not to, well, good for him. Who's to say if it's of his own accord?

I'm really glad you admire those who live up to your standards, hegamboa, I really am. I admire those who live up to their own standards.

I admire those who make their own decisions about sex. If they choose to have it, I hope they protect themselves and their lover from disease and the possibilities of pregnancy and the lifelong responsibilities that it can bring. If they want to wait for the "right time" (not necessarily marriage), go for it.

And even though it doesn't make a lick of difference, I didn't engage in sexual intercourse at anytime in my high school years.

You're entitled to believe that... Kudos to those that can wait for the proper context of a sexual relationship however... at least as responsible adults.

Kids or teens should not be engaging in sexual intercourse period.

[Phenomanul]

Nope, I said he "needed to get laid."

You know, to take the edge off...

And then I said he had the (*singing*) "No Pussy Blues...."

You know, to take the edge off...

And then I responded to TPark's saying he was a "no-pussy getting wuss," of which he brought up, not me...

Well, that was to take my edge off...

So, no, Hegamboa, since I'm 26 years old, I fail to see the "peer" pressure I gave to whatever-the-hell-his-name-was, because I frankly don't remember at this point.

He probably would have never read your post anyways... the peer pressure reference came from gauging a society which has become fixated on all things 'sex'... not specifically in reference to you.

BTW there is nothing wrong with sex... This act, however is not meant for children or teens since 99.9% of them are not able to handle the emotional windfalls that are associated from the experience. Are they physically prepared to engage in sexual activity? Most are since about the age of 12... Mentally and emotionally however, they are not prepared.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I said to each their own.... when was I disallowed from criticizing mainstream opinions and concepts? Let's be clear on one thing; I'm not personally judging anybody.



Let's be clear on one thing: I didn't say you were disallowed from criticizing any opinion, much less mainstream.

Why is it that people feel dissent of dissent is censorship?

People that believe that should have their criticisms disallowed.

[Phenomanul]

Let's be clear on one thing: I didn't say you were disallowed from criticizing any opinion, much less mainstream.

Why is it that people feel dissent of dissent is censorship?

Not censorship per sé.... more along the lines of knowing that defending a minority opinion is 1000x harder than going with the flow.

[Phenomanul]

People that believe that should have their criticisms disallowed.

Whatever. :rolleyes

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Whatever. :rolleyes

Roll your eyes all you wish.

If people are stupid enough to whine when somebody takes exception to their opinion, then maybe they're too stupid to have one. There's a difference to thinking an opinion is wrong and stating why they believe so - as I've done with you and you've done with me - or crying that, "Oh, I'm being oppressed because you don't like my opinion."

I know you're smarter than that, hegamboa.

I can imagine people in the Spurs forum..."Oh, well, I liked how Pop went small ball, but since people here don't like that opinion, I guess I'm being oppressed and I've been disallowed from criticizing that opinion."

[velik_m]

what's a "dress code"?

[Hip Hop Quoter]

"Yo, y'all fellas like to stress them chicks
Impress them chicks, spend money to dress them chicks
I sex them chicks and send them home
Corleone is known to be stoned
When I bone, I'm rubbered up in case that shit full blown
The other night around 8 P.M.
Pockets crazy slim, jumped out the gray BM
Went to the ATM, took a thou' out
then later on I had to wild out
In the club, knock some coward and his pal out
Then afterwards went to the restroom, pissed Cristal out
Now I'm thinkin - which chick number I could dial out
Cause it's L, the Harlem pimp baby, for real
I got more dimes than that Sprint lady"

[Phenomanul]

Roll your eyes all you wish.

If people are stupid enough to whine when somebody takes exception to their opinion, then maybe they're too stupid to have one. There's a difference to thinking an opinion is wrong and stating why they believe so - as I've done with you and you've done with me - or crying that, "Oh, I'm being oppressed because you don't like my opinion."

I know you're smarter than that, hegamboa.

I can imagine people in the Spurs forum..."Oh, well, I liked how Pop went small ball, but since people here don't like that opinion, I guess I'm being oppressed and I've been disallowed from criticizing that opinion."

I see you like making stuff up... I didn't say or imply anything of what you just wrote... which means you're the one taking exception to something that was never stated or inferred. I just wrote down my opinion and then asked when that priviledge was dissallowed. Your 'holier-than-thou' reference however, was a little more than just an opinion; it was an insult. But I'll say it again, I've got no personal feud with you.

Again.... whatever.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Well, maybe you aren't as smart as I gave you credit for.

I didn't say you, in fact, I praised you...but well, there's the evidence.

But in the fashion which you choose to end arguments, whatever, I'm done with you.

[Darrin]

http://cbs11tv.com/local/local_story_215224746.html

(CBS 11 News) ARLINGTON With a new school year about to begin, some female students in the Arlington school district may have to rethink their wardrobes.

Teen fashions often leave parents a little disgruntled. Arlington Independent School District parent Frances Henson said, “I'm thinking that our daughters are growing up a little bit too fast these days.”

Arlington School Board members agree with parents and this summer, they adopted an unusual amendment to the student dress code.

The new dress code reads, in part, “The display of cleavage is unacceptable. Low cut blouses, tops, sweaters, etc. with plunging necklines are not allowed."

“It's gotten bad enough that, unfortunately, our young males are looking at more than their English book, their speech book, their science book,” says school board president Sherri Wade. “And it's kind of nice to have something left to the imagination.”

Even some teenagers agree there is a problem. “I think it's good that they're doing it,” said student, Tyler Edwards.

Others students say it makes back-to-school shopping more difficult. “I just have to be more careful with what shirts I buy. Change my style a little,” said student, Maria Lopez.

While most parents support the new rule, some worry that enforcing it could be a challenge. “I think that's going to be a little tricky, because it puts a little bit of a policeman approach to the educators, and they really need to focus more on teaching,” said Tom Pederson, AISD parent.

The school board president says they'll do both… and in time, she says, the no cleavage rule will be no problem.



(CBS 11 News)


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Let me be the first to say...

"Tyler, you need to get laid...big time."

Tyler is going to get his ass kicked, that's what I know. His first and last name appears as the only student to support this policy. The ridicule will not end. Good luck Mr. Edwards; Shame on Mr. Reporter.

Secondly, I think this is over the top. The law cannot protect everyone from themselves. I love the hypocrisy of people claiming that nothing is more important than education, yet our punishments are taking more and more kids needlessly out of the classroom. From anti-drug policies to anti-weapons zero tolerances and dress codes that leave kids suspended for weeks on end – we are coming to treat our kids more and more like social deviants before they do anything wrong. We are in a global economy. All these fun games over school morality and the ‘zero tolerance’ of things like nail clippers and vitamins is going to cost the American economy in the long run.

The installation of cameras and the arguments that justify such measures hurts the Bill of Rights in the long run and makes for a citizenry that more and more reliant of the government to set the standard by which they live because they are the last great source of authority.

As a man not that far removed from his days as a horny teenager, never did it matter what the object of my lust was wearing (or not wearing). My experience was not sex in school, but sex after school, and if a girl wants to wear something revealing, there are cars and public bathrooms to change. We can't stop teenagers from having sex. It's just not possible.

I am stunned at what little 4-year-olds are running around in nowadays, but it's not the clothes that are causing teenagers to have sex. Like much of our rules and school guidelines, it's attempting to put a cosmetic fix on a deep-rooted problem in our attitudes towards the opposite sex and how we feel about ourselves.

Having sex at 16, 17 is not the problem. The problem is having sex at 16, 17 for the wrong reasons. The problem is how having sex at 16, 17, and 18 affects our ideas about intimacy, sex, and relationships throughout the rest of our lives. The problem is not being prepared for the emotional upheaval of sex, and feeling the need to hide it from parents and teachers for fear that they will not understand. Girls who think they need to have sex to keep a boyfriend, and boys who don't feel like they are men until they have sex...this is the problem. It starts early, like with what a four-year-old is dressed in and how that child reacts to their parents interactions with the opposite sex.

This idea that we are in the middle of the most promiscuous generation is false. We are in an undisciplined generation. Not the worst or the one that we should be the most afraid. Not a generation of Satan’s minions, just parents who don’t properly prepare their children to resist the urge to indulge every whim and an inundation of consumption-driven images that work against this generation of parents while simultaneously teaching the children who will become adults and parents to value the material things over relationships with loved ones and their children, perpetuating the problem for the next generation.

This preoccupation with sex absolutely baffles me. I mean the preoccupation with hiding sex as something dirty. It's a biological function like anything else. It's the only function we don't offer open advice and instruction to our children on. If we were less Puritanical in our ideas about sex and talking about sex, perhaps we would have healthier attitudes and the pressure would not be so great on these kids in the first place.

[Phenomanul]

Well, maybe you aren't as smart as I gave you credit for.

I didn't say you, in fact, I praised you...but well, there's the evidence.

But in the fashion which you choose to end arguments, whatever, I'm done with you.

I could care less how you choose to gauge my intellect.

But if you needed some material...

Your 2nd response to my post:


Let's be clear on one thing: I didn't say you were disallowed from criticizing any opinion, much less mainstream.

Why is it that people feel dissent of dissent is censorship?

People that believe that should have their criticisms disallowed.

If you read it closer, your very comment embodied that which you were criticizing.

Your comment thereby negated the very message you were trying to get across. Unfortunately, I don't believe you realize the trap that you ended up writing yourself into, and so by your own admission, had you believed your comment you shouldn't have written it to begin with.

If anything my only error was having quoted you instead of just replying to the thread.... of course, if I did it, it was because I was addressing a point which had long left the general flow of the thread, and used your post as a weak reference to what I was talking about. So if that was the cause of confusion; my bad.

Peace.

BTW I've never heard of the phrase 'holier-than-thou' having a positive connotation or being used as a 'praise.' I've always seen it used with a negative connotation implied; particularly because it is used as a synonym for the word 'judgemental.'

[Phenomanul]

Having sex at 16, 17 is not the problem. The problem is having sex at 16, 17 for the wrong reasons. The problem is how having sex at 16, 17, and 18 affects our ideas about intimacy, sex, and relationships throughout the rest of our lives. The problem is not being prepared for the emotional upheaval of sex, and feeling the need to hide it from parents and teachers for fear that they will not understand. Girls who think they need to have sex to keep a boyfriend, and boys who don't feel like they are men until they have sex...this is the problem. It starts early, like with what a four-year-old is dressed in and how that child reacts to their parents interactions with the opposite sex.

This idea that we are in the middle of the most promiscuous generation is false. We are in an undisciplined generation. Not the worst or the one that we should be the most afraid. Not a generation of Satan’s minions, just parents who don’t properly prepare their children to resist the urge to indulge every whim and an inundation of consumption-driven images that work against this generation of parents while simultaneously teaching the children who will become adults and parents to value the material things over relationships with loved ones and their children, perpetuating the problem for the next generation.

This preoccupation with sex absolutely baffles me. I mean the preoccupation with hiding sex as something dirty. It's a biological function like anything else. It's the only function we don't offer open advice and instruction to our children on. If we were less Puritanical in our ideas about sex and talking about sex, perhaps we would have healthier attitudes and the pressure would not be so great on these kids in the first place.

Good section.

My parents once got a disapproving call from my 1st grade teacher. The concern: not only was I younger than everyone else in my class (I was four years old), but apparently I was the only one to call my genitals by their proper biological names (penis, scrotum, testicles etc... and because I also knew the female parts by their names as well). My parents always had a very open discussion with me and my siblings about sex where they were always our 'first source' on the topic and not others around us.

Somehow referring to the genitalia as 'private parts' or 'down there' would have made it seem as though my parents were uncomfortable talking about the subject. Instead, I knew that whatever info they were relaying was open and 'normal' -- even when the rest of society regarded the subject as taboo. The result: I believe we comprehended the purpose of sex well before our hormones created an unnecessary confusion between normal curiosity and other emotions harbored at that pubertal/teen phase of our lives...