$250 and $50 FF leagues -- Settings Updates

[Kori Ellis]

There are three spaces available in the $50 Re-Draft league.
(Draft Saturday, Sept 2, 11:30 AM CDT)
Winner - $400 2nd place - $150 3rd place - $50

There are two or three spaces available in the $250 Re-Draft league.
(Draft Sunday, Sept 3, 2:00 PM CDT)
$100 weekly prize for high points x 14 weeks
Overall winner - $1000 2nd place - $400 3rd place - $125 4th place - $75


Please PM me for details.

[Kori Ellis]

Tenative settings for $250 League -- need input.

League Rules [Edit]
Max Teams in League 12
Divisions 1
Player Pool NFL
Lineup Change Deadline Lock Players 5 minutes prior to respective game
Regular Season Tiebreaker Use FOX Sports Tiebreaker System
Can't Cut List Use FOX Sports can't cut list
Waiver Period 1 day
Undrafted Players Start on Waivers Yes, all players not drafted start on waivers
Initial Waiver Order Reverse Draft Order
Waiver Order Reset Reset Weekly - Inverse of Standings
Weekly Waiver Rules Place unowned players on waivers
Trade Policy Trades must be reviewed by commissioner
Trade Deadline Week 12

Rosters [Edit]
QB 1
RB 2
WR 2
TE 1
R/W 1
K 1
D/ST 1
Bench 9
Total Roster Size 18

League Scoring System [Edit]
Passing Touchdowns 6 points
Passing Yards 1 point for each 40 Passing Yards
Passing 2-Point Conversions 2 points
Passing Interceptions -2 points
Rushing Touchdowns 6 points
Rushing Yards 1 point for each 15 Rushing Yards
Rushing 2-Point Conversions 2 points
Receiving Touchdowns 6 points
Receiving Yards 1 point for each 15 Receiving Yards
Receiving 2-Point Conversions 2 points
Fumbles Lost -2 points
Any Fumble Recovered for a Touchdown 6 points
Field Goals 0-39 yards = 3 points
40-49 yards = 4 points
50+ yards = 5 points

Extra Points Made 1 point
Extra Points Missed -1 points
Sack 1 point
Safety 2 points
Interceptions 2 points
Fumble Recovery 2 points
Blocked Punt/FG/PAT 2 points
TD scored by Defense 6 points
TD scored by Special Teams 6 points
Points Allowed by Defense 0-1 points allowed = 12 points
2-6 points allowed = 7 points
7-13 points allowed = 4 points
14-20 points allowed = 1 point
21-27 points allowed = 0 points
28-34 points allowed = -1 points
35-41 points allowed = -4 points
42+ points allowed = -7 points

Points Use Fractional Points for Yards Gained

Playoffs [Edit]
Playoff System 6 Teams, 3 Weeks, top 2 teams get byes
Start Playoffs Week 14


I need input and suggestions on what may need changed.

Thanks.

[Kori Ellis]

$50 re-draft league will have same settings as $250 league.

$50 dynasty settings will be posted by LJ this week.

[johngateswhiteley]

kori, what is the deal on the 250$ league? other than what you already posted. you can pm or whatever, if you don't mind.

[Kori Ellis]

I sent you a PM earlier today.

[johngateswhiteley]

I sent you a PM earlier today.

pm'd you back, and thanks.

[Mr Dio]

Is the R/W a "Flex" type player that can be a RB/WR/TE?

Trade deadline seems a little late in the season.
Should be sometime in mid-Nov at the latest IMO.

[Mr Dio]

I sure would like to see some of these "experts" & "know-it-alls" fill the $250 league ASAP.

[Kori Ellis]

Let me see if R/W can be R/W/TE.

Trade deadline at Week 12 was the standard. It's up for debate.

[Kori Ellis]

I sure would like to see some of these "experts" & "know-it-alls" fill the $250 league ASAP.

I believe there's 10 people confirmed and 2 maybes so we should be good to go shortly.

[kris]

Here are my suggestions for change.

I would like points off for field goals missed.

1-29 yards should be (-2)
30-39 yards should be (-1)

I would like receiving yards and rushing yards to be equal value.
So one point = 15 yards.

I would like a total roster size of at least 18. Preferrably 20.

I'd also like to start 3 wide receivers.

I also do not want a flex position.

[Mr Dio]

Can I trade all my picks & just pick my team from the waiver wire?

[kris]

Can I trade all my picks & just pick my team from the waiver wire?


Staring for the San Antonio Los Chorizos... At quarterback with over 184 busts and 1 stab wound, hailing out of Ambig Gaye High School, Joey Del Greco.

[Mr Dio]

Here are my suggestions for change.

I would like points off for field goals missed.

1-29 yards should be (-2)
30-39 yards should be (-1)

Not a bad idea.
Causes one to study K's a little more carefully.

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I would like receiving yards and rushing yards to be equal value.
So one point = 15 yards.


I would like a total roster size of at least 18. Preferrably 20.

YES, I concur!

[Kori Ellis]

Another thing, I'm having people sign up on FoxSports, but last year they had issues. So I'm thinking it might be best if we play on Yahoo. And if people want Live Scoring then they can pay for it individually. I am not interested in paying the $125 or whatever and having it come out of prize money.

Let me know what you guys think.

[Mr Dio]

Staring for the San Antonio Los Chorizos... At quarterback with over 184 busts and 1 stab wound, hailing out of Ambig Gaye High School, Joey Del Greco.


I'm taking Nic Fanuzzi from Churchill for my Dynasty team!

[kris]

Another thing, I'm having people sign up on FoxSports, but last year they had issues. So I'm thinking it might be best if we play on Yahoo. And if people want Live Scoring then they can pay for it individually. I am not interested in paying the $125 or whatever and having it come out of prize money.

Let me know what you guys think.


I can live with that. Good idea.

[Mr Dio]

Another thing, I'm having people sign up on FoxSports, but last year they had issues. So I'm thinking it might be best if we play on Yahoo. And if people want Live Scoring then they can pay for it individually. I am not interested in paying the $125 or whatever and having it come out of prize money.

Let me know what you guys think.


I say we give extra $$$ to get live scoring.
So bascially, $10-11 per team right?

[Kori Ellis]

Well for now, FoxSports seems okay and it has all the live scoring etc for free.

Let's see how it acts in the coming weeks before the draft (I have a backup team set up on Yahoo).

Kris and Dio, you need to register your teams.

[Kori Ellis]

I think roster size should be 18.

I like the flex position, but I'm not even sure if I'm playing yet ... so ignore my thoughts:)

[Kori Ellis]

I would like receiving yards and rushing yards to be equal value.
So one point = 15 yards.

How it is now is just the default setting .. I can easily change it to be equal.

[Mr Dio]

Kris and Dio, you need to register your teams.


Will do.
Email with info sent to my email address?

[Kori Ellis]

I'll send you a private message right now. You should really register. Your picture is on the front page :lmao

[Mr Dio]

I think roster size should be 18.

I like the flex position, but I'm not even sure if I'm playing yet ... so ignore my thoughts:)


18 is very cool.
I sorta like that flex position, it is very flexible! :lol
Would, or should cut down on constant trades & waiver wire sharks as should the 18 players.

[Mr Dio]

I'll send you a private message right now. You should really register. Your picture is on the front page :lmao


This I gotta see!!!

[johngateswhiteley]

Here are my suggestions for change.

I would like points off for field goals missed.

1-29 yards should be (-2)
30-39 yards should be (-1)

I would like receiving yards and rushing yards to be equal value.
So one point = 15 yards.

I would like a total roster size of at least 18. Preferrably 20.

I'd also like to start 3 wide receivers.

I also do not want a flex position.


i disagree.

1. field goals missed 1-20 should be -1, otherwise no negatives

2. receiving and rushing should be 20 yards for 1 point

3. roster size of 18 is too large, and 20 is WAY to large

4. i'd prefer only two receivers

5. i do agree about the flex position

[Mr Dio]

Damnnnnnnnn!
Look @ the 6head on the league home page! :lol

[kris]

i disagree.

1. field goals missed 1-20 should be -1, otherwise no negatives

2. receiving and rushing should be 20 yards for 1 point

3. roster size of 18 is too large, and 20 is WAY to large

4. i'd prefer only two receivers

5. i do agree about the flex position


I'm fine with the 20 yards = 1 pt for receiving and rushing. Other than that, hopefully more people agree with my suggestions than yours.

More roster spots favor the knowledgable and less roster spots favor people who scour the waiver wire every week.

If kickers miss anything less than a 40 yarder they should be penalized. Plus, this makes the games a little more competitive because it makes coming from behind a little easier. 2 and 1 points isn't that much more anyways.

I don't like flex positions because it will enable to just stock up on running backs in the early rounds without paying the price.

PS Dio get your ass in the club and answer my questionnaire.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I'm not a big fan of the flex position. I'd rather start 3 WRS than have the flex.

1 QB
2 RBs
3 WRs
1 TE
1 K
1 D/ST

9 reserves...

Trade deadine should be W10.

In my other cash league, we do blind bids for FAs. Everyone starts off with 130 units. You bid as much as you want for any FA. It makes things interesting...

[johngateswhiteley]

I'm fine with the 20 yards = 1 pt for receiving and rushing. Other than that, hopefully more people agree with my suggestions than yours.

More roster spots favor the knowledgable and less roster spots favor people who scour the waiver wire every week.

If kickers miss anything less than a 40 yarder they should be penalized. Plus, this makes the games a little more competitive because it makes coming from behind a little easier. 2 and 1 points isn't that much more anyways.

I don't like flex positions because it will enable to just stock up on running backs in the early rounds without paying the price.

PS Dio get your ass in the club and answer my questionnaire.


...my reasoning is b/c i may be taking a job in Oregon in which i will be 8 days on 6 days off...a smaller lineup will be easier for me to manage. although as it is i may be throwing my $250 away anyway. i doubt i will be able to be as involved as i want to be...

[Mr Dio]

PS Dio get your ass in the club and answer my questionnaire.



Done.

[Mr Dio]

If WR/RB/TE only get a pt for every 20yds then the QB position becomes MUCH more important.
It would prob be best to draft (2) QBs in the 1st 4-5 rounds.

A pt for 10yds is better IMO.

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I like the flex because it doesn't have to be a WR or RB that you start.
1 other league I'm in has QB, RB, WR, TE, Flex, Flex, Flex, Def, K.
With the # of RB by Comm. expected in the NFL this yr I think everyone will stock up.

[Kori Ellis]

If WR/RB/TE only get a pt for every 20yds then the QB position becomes MUCH more important.
It would prob be best to draft (2) QBs in the 1st 4-5 rounds.

A pt for 10yds is better IMO.

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I like the flex because it doesn't have to be a WR or RB that you start.
1 other league I'm in has QB, RB, WR, TE, Flex, Flex, Flex, Def, K.
With the # of RB by Comm. expected in the NFL this yr I think everyone will stock up.

Last year we played 1 pt per 20 yards, didn't we?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

W14? Are you crazy? Too many sweetheart deals that late in the season...

[Guru of Nothing]

Here's my opinions (not complaints)... either way, I'm in (the $50 league).

I prefer 1 point per 10 yards receiving, and 1 point per 10 yards rushing. As the numbers go higher (from 10 to 20 yards) it becomes more of a touchdown-centric league rewarding bad players who are stuck starting a Jerome Bettis kind of player.

I don't like a minimum roster size of 15. Again, it rewards sucky teams that drafted poorly, because it leaves a lot of talent out there on the waiver wire. I prefer 20-man rosters. Smaller rosters make this game even more of a game of chance.

I like the 1 flex position. I'd prefer it included the TE position ('cause that allows for more 'flex'ibility).

I have ZERO expectation of this happening, but I prefer 1 point per reception. It makes the draft so much more interesting because not everyone is trying to draft back2back stud RBs. Although, the points per yards you proposed adds more value to WR, and that works toward that same end.

If we go Fox, let's all cross our fingers. It was an utter disaster last year. There was no way around the fact that their site would not work. It was an abject failure. Regarding Yahoo, maybe I should verify this, but you can't buy live scoring per team (say $10 a shot), but instead it's $125 per league. For the $50 league it's not a big deal (to not have live scoring), but the $250 players might disagree.

I'm not sure I understand the waiver settings. "Waiver Period 1 day" and "Waiver Order Reset Reset Weekly" - when is it reset weekly? I don't know how commish friendly Fox is, but it was nice to place all free agents on waivers, beginning on Sunday at noon CST, and leaving them that way until Tuesday night (Wednesday night might be even better) with an occasional reminder to the league to lay off players after the infrequent Thursday or Saturday game.

Kickers - unless you make the scoring rules for kickers something outrageous, I cannot bring myself to care.

[Guru of Nothing]

Last year we played 1 pt per 20 yards, didn't we?

We compromised, I think it was 1 point per 15 yards, rushing and receiving - I have a poor memory.

[Kori Ellis]

If we go Fox, let's all cross our fingers. It was an utter disaster last year. There was no way around the fact that their site would not work. It was an abject failure. Regarding Yahoo, maybe I should verify this, but you can't buy live scoring per team (say $10 a shot), but instead it's $125 per league. For the $50 league it's not a big deal (to not have live scoring), but the $250 players might disagree.

They apparently have upgraded bigtime. Tomorrow I'm drafting there to see if it works.

And as far as I know on yahoo, every team can pay individually for live scoring at $12 or something like that. (Did that change that you can't?)

[Guru of Nothing]

They apparently have upgraded bigtime. Tomorrow I'm drafting there to see if it works.

And as far as I know on yahoo, every team can pay individually for live scoring at $12 or something like that. (Did that change that you can't?)

If you could do that in the past, pay $12 for live Yahoo scoring, I was not aware. Maybe I have poor memory and poor reading comprehension. ... June is my favorite month - all I have to know is Go Spurs Go.

Surely Fox has to be improved, and supposing your draft tomorrow works, just ponder your fallback options if it does not work when the scheduled day come.

Also, you may want to address the trading of draft picks, before (and during) the draft. It was not supported by Yahoo last year, and if verbal agreements are made in advance, you have a potential problem on your hands if one of the players does not show up for the draft.

[johngateswhiteley]

you can buy stat tracker alone.

[Kori Ellis]

If you could do that in the past, pay $12 for live Yahoo scoring, I was not aware. Maybe I have poor memory and poor reading comprehension. ... June is my favorite month - all I have to know is Go Spurs Go.

It's 24.99 per team (I just looked) to upgrade to Yahoo Plus or 9.99 just to add Stat Tracker. But I'll try FoxSports first because free is free.

9.99 Stat Tracker (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/premiumaddons)



Surely Fox has to be improved, and supposing your draft tomorrow works, just ponder your fallback options if it does not work when the scheduled day come.

As I said in this thread, I already have backup draft times set up on Yahoo.

[Guru of Nothing]

Another thing to consider is that (last year) Yahoo does not permit the commish to stop and restart the draft. Potentially, my worst nightmare last year involved players trading picks, and player A on the board makes the pick for player B, but player B drops (for whatever reason) and cannot pick for player A. Player A is stuck with "autodraft" and there is no way to go back and fix it. It would nullify the entire draft.

Not allowing trades (unless Yahoo and Fox support it) would be the best way to go.

[johngateswhiteley]

Guru of Nothing-
...please explain your logic on rather having 10 yards of rushing = 1 point. cause, i don't get it at all.

[Pistons < Spurs]

I prefer 1 point per 10 yards receiving, and 1 point per 10 yards rushing. As the numbers go higher (from 10 to 20 yards) it becomes more of a touchdown-centric league rewarding bad players who are stuck starting a Jerome Bettis kind of player.


I like the 1 flex position.





:tu :tu :tu

[Kori Ellis]

We will likely settle on 15 yards since some people want 20 and some 10.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Do I have to wait until I'm fully paid up to register my team?

[Guru of Nothing]

Guru of Nothing-
...please explain your logic on rather having 10 yards of rushing = 1 point. cause, i don't get it at all.

It very simple, as yards mean less, TDs mean more ...

Consider:

Jerome Bettis has 3 rushes for 5 yards, and 2 TDs. That's 12.25 points by your suggestion.

Say Fred Taylor has 21 carries for 165 yards without a touchdown. That's 8.25 points.

In a fantasy sense, which player deserves more points?

I think Bettis ought to get 12.5 points, while Taylor gets 16.5 points.

[Kori Ellis]

It very simple, as yards mean less, TDs mean more ...

Consider:

Jerome Bettis has 3 rushes for 5 yards, and 2 TDs. That's 12.25 points by your suggestion.

Say Fred Taylor has 21 carries for 165 yards without a touchdown. That's 8.25 points.

In a fantasy sense, which player deserves more points?

Well if they are only 10 yards, then some think it's too far the other way (to me Fred Taylor shouldn't be worth 16.5 in that scenario).

So it looks like we are going to settle on 15 for this. Too much disagreement, so we'll meet in the middle.

[Kori Ellis]

We will take a vote on the Flex position.

So post your vote in the this thread.

2WR/1Flex or 3 WR are the choices.

[kris]

Well if they are only 10 points, then some think it's too far the other way (to me Fred Taylor shouldn't be worth 16.5 in that scenario).

So it looks like we are going to settle on 15 for this. Too much disagreement, so we'll meet in the middle.


:bike:

I take the first stage.

[kris]

We will take a vote on the Flex position.

So post your vote in the this thread.

2WR/1Flex or 3 WR are the choices.


3 WR, come on everyone - keep traditional, celebrated fantasy football alive. Now a lot of people are going to be lobbying for all this new age cutting stuff, but you got to remember where you came from. Remember when the newspaper provided you stats and you manually tallied them. Remember the Alamo. Most of all remember Floyd Landis and his first 19 stages.

:bike:

[Guru of Nothing]

Well if they are only 10 points, then some think it's too far the other way (to me Fred Taylor shouldn't be worth 16.5 in that scenario).

So it looks like we are going to settle on 15 for this. Too much disagreement, so we'll meet in the middle.

Say it was Willie Parker instead of Fred Taylor.

21 times in a game Willie Parker would have gotten his team 8 yards from scrimmage. That represents a helluva a game!

Meanwhile, Jerome wiped the mustard from his chin and trotted out to field 5 times.

I'm granting that scoring TDs is significant, but it's easier for the Steelers to replace Jerome's stats than it is Willie's. Willie would deserve a few more points in my book.

[Kori Ellis]

Well if it's 15 in your scenario, then Bettis would get 12.33 points and Willie would get 11.

And that seems about right.

It's not my fault Willie can't get in the endzone. :)

[kris]

Say it was Willie Parker instead of Fred Taylor.

21 times in a game Willie Parker would have gotten his team 8 yards from scrimmage. That represents a helluva a game!

Meanwhile, Jerome wiped the mustard from his chin and trotted out to field 5 times.

I'm granting that scoring TDs is significant, but it's easier for the Steelers to replace Jerome's stats than it is Willie's. Willie would deserve a few more points in my book.

15 is the perfect amount. That's what I made in the league where I run the show.

Thou shalt haf 15 points per yard, ye it back of running or a receiver de transmitter.

And so it was said.

(Closes big ass dusty book. Think of a dictionary, but more parched and dusty like the 7 year old tricycle in your garage.)

[Kori Ellis]

(Closes big ass dusty book. Think of a dictionary, but more parched and dusty like the 7 year old tricycle in your garage.)

A tricycle or a Landis bicycle with some extra testosterone on the side.

:bike: :madrun

[kris]

A tricycle or a Landis bicycle with some extra testosterone on the side.

:bike: :madrun


Now Kori, Floyd Landis has throughly denied that accusation thoroughly after originally, and lawyer unpreparedly, vaguely answering questions in a radio press conference.

He also has changed his reason why it could have happened instead of blaming the iron shavings from his kitchen sink that he leaned on when he was five.

So, he is obviously innocent until proven more innocent. Let's just go have a drink of whiskey after the big Sunday softball game like our buddy Floyd Landis would do. :drunk

oh ps :rolleyes

[Guru of Nothing]

Well if it's 15 in your scenario, then Bettis would get 12.33 points and Willie would get 11.

And that seems about right.

It's not my fault Willie can't get in the endzone. :)

If I were a GM I'd give more money to a player that could average 8 yards per rush.

[Kori Ellis]

If I were a GM I'd give more money to a player that could average 8 yards per rush.

Well it's not up for debate.

It's 15.

End of story on that subject.

Next point.

[johngateswhiteley]

It very simple, as yards mean less, TDs mean more ...

Consider:

Jerome Bettis has 3 rushes for 5 yards, and 2 TDs. That's 12.25 points by your suggestion.

Say Fred Taylor has 21 carries for 165 yards without a touchdown. That's 8.25 points.

In a fantasy sense, which player deserves more points?

I think Bettis ought to get 12.5 points, while Taylor gets 16.5 points.


i am retarded. thats not what i thought we were talking about...my bad. anyway....ummm, yeah i don't really have a problem with that thinking. except 10 yards is too many points...15 would be a nice comprimise.

[johngateswhiteley]

Kori-
...as for the 3 wr vs. a flex player. i vote 3 wr's.

[Kori Ellis]

Also, some people want points per reception.

Vote yes or no.

[johngateswhiteley]

Also, some people want points per reception.

Vote yes or no.

i vote no to points per reception. thats craziness, imo.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Flex - Yes

PPReception - No

[kris]

No Ppr.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Flex: No.

PPR: No.

[Kori Ellis]

LJ: No PPR, No Flex

Kori: No PPR, Yes Flex

[Pistons < Spurs]

Just a little thought to keep everything smooth in case the FoxSports site doesn't work out for whatever reason:

Kori's mentioned that she has a Yahoo league reserved in case we need it. Just so you all are aware, Yahoo allows people to be in up to 4 different fantasy football leagues. Make sure you do not utilize all 4 of your Yahoo spots until we know for sure that Fox will be O.K.

If someone did use all of their spots though, they theoretically could create a new Yahoo account if there was a problem, so all would not be lost.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

No on both...

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Just a little thought to keep everything smooth in case the FoxSports site doesn't work out for whatever reason:

Kori's mentioned that she has a Yahoo league reserved in case we need it. Just so you all are aware, Yahoo allows people to be in up to 4 different fantasy football leagues. Make sure you do not utilize all 4 of your Yahoo spots until we know for sure that Fox will be O.K.

If someone did use all of their spots though, they theoretically could create a new Yahoo account if there was a problem, so all would not be lost.

Interesting. I didn't know that.

I'm already in two, so I guess no more Yahoo! leagues until these are settled.

If we should end up needing a league, I have a Sportsline one I set up that I'm not going to need after all. I can just give it to somebody to run and probably set up another team for me.

[yavozerb]

I also agree NO on both...

[Kori Ellis]

I'm in a draft on FoxSports that starts in 17 minutes. So far the interface is very nice. Similar features to yahoo but looking nicer. Hopefully it works smoothly and we can just use it.

[yavozerb]

I also wanted to mention that a roster of 20 is just to big!!Roster sizes of 15 is perfect because it makes waivers, trades, and the draft that much more important.

[Mr Dio]

Actually the draft is more important with a larger roster.
If an owner is good enough to build via the draft the waiver wire & trades become less important. I've seen rampant trading & waiver pick-ups by owners that don't draft deep enough.

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Flex - Yes
PPR - Yes

[Kori Ellis]

I think we are going to be settling around 18 for roster size.

[Kori Ellis]

Well FoxSports draft worked without any problems whatsoever. I guess as long as I don't have any problems with them in the next couple weeks, we will stick with them.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I'd rather have passing TDs worth 4, INTs/fumbles worth -1 and no PPR.

[Mr Dio]

I'd rather have passing TDs worth 4, INTs/fumbles worth -1 and no PPR.

Just wondering, why/how is a passing TD worth less than a rushing TD?

[yavozerb]

What if I started a WR who was also on the same team as my def/st. And say this WR returned a kickoff or punt for a TD, would I recieve double points for this?

[Mr Dio]

What if I started a WR who was also on the same team as my def/st. And say this WR returned a kickoff or punt for a TD, would I recieve double points for this?


I believe that if a player played & scored on a Special Teams or Defensive play (like a Punt/KickOff/Missed FG Ret'd for TD) then the Owner that has that Def/SpecTm gets the pints & NOT the person who has the player as a RB/WR/TE etc...

i.e., If I started Det Lions WR-Roy Williams as a WR & he ret'd kicks & scored I WOULDN'T get the credit for his scores unless I also owned & started the Det Lions Def/SpecTms.

[Guru of Nothing]

Typically, the way I have seen it work is like this:

If Roy Williams returns a punt or a kickoff for a TD, it's points for the Roy Williams owner.

If special teams defense scores a gets a turnover (and possibly) scores a TD, it's points for the Defense, regardless who made the play.

Now, getting back to the punt, specifically a blocked punt, what is key is whether or not the ball crosses the line of scrimmage. The punting team is offense until the ball crosses the line of scrimmage. If a blocked punt crosses the line of scrimmage, the roles reverse. Same applies for FG attempts. Maybe Johnny Blaze can refresh my memory of a blocked punt involving Atlanta last year.

To all of the above, that how I think it works, traditionally speaking. I could be wrong. I always get mixed up on this stuff, and when it happens, I have to go read about it on the internets.

But the bottom line is it should either be covered in the rules, and if not, then the commish has the final say (and usually, say you are going with a league host like say Yahoo or CBS, they can roll with the host decision).

JMO

[Mr Dio]

Hmmm, interesting.
I'm not 100% which way it'd go though.

[Pistons < Spurs]

What if I started a WR who was also on the same team as my def/st. And say this WR returned a kickoff or punt for a TD, would I recieve double points for this?


It all depends on your league settings.


You absolutely get the points for the special teams/defense side of it.

And in most leagues, (if you're a commisioner) you can set whether or not return TD's count for your offensive players.


Yahoo's default settings for example, DO allow offensive player TD returns to count as 6 points ... and you would get them again for your defense.


But not all leagues use those defaults.

The current $250 FoxSports league does NOT allow for offensive TD returns ... so you'd only get the points for the Defense/ST

Bottom line: check your league settings check your league settings check your league settings!


I remember a few years back, I had KC defense (Ya they sucked, but I'm a homer!) I then also picked up Dante Hall because he was going crazy with all his TD returns. I threw him in as my flex, and got oodles of points for both defense/ST & my flex position.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I'd rather the return TD just go to the D/ST who scored. I hate bloated scores in FF.

As for passing TDs being valued at 4, it's the same reason(bloated scores). It really doesn't matter what point value you give to them, though.

[johngateswhiteley]

...are we going with the three WR or a flex player. i hope its three WRs.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Just out of curiousity:

Why would anyone be opposed to a Flex option? If you want to play 3WR's, you can, but it gives you options during bye weeks and/or in case of injury. I actualy think in most cases, most teams will decide to go w/ 3 WR's as their is not much depth at RB this year, but personaly I love the Flexibility that it gives me.

I'm really just interested to know the opposing view points that maybe I haven't thought of.

[Mr Dio]

Just out of curiousity:

Why would anyone be opposed to a Flex option? If you want to play 3WR's, you can, but it gives you options during bye weeks and/or in case of injury. I actualy think in most cases, most teams will decide to go w/ 3 WR's as their is not much depth at RB this year, but personaly I love the Flexibility that it gives me.

I'm really just interested to know the opposing view points that maybe I haven't thought of.


I hear ya.
It is so FLEXible & I don't think some people get it but, to each their own.

[Mr Dio]

i disagree.

1. field goals missed 1-20 should be -1, otherwise no negatives

2. receiving and rushing should be 20 yards for 1 point

3. roster size of 18 is too large, and 20 is WAY to large

4. i'd prefer only two receivers

5. i do agree about the flex position

[Mr Dio]

...are we going with the three WR or a flex player. i hope its three WRs.


JGW, which way do u vote?
I honestly was confused.

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm really just interested to know the opposing view points that maybe I haven't thought of.

I'm pretty sure you won't hear one opposing argument.

[johngateswhiteley]

JGW, which way do u vote?
I honestly was confused.


i prefer:

1. two receivers
2. no flex player

...that obviously won't happen, so:

1. three receivers
2. no flex player

...i like it classic.

[Kori Ellis]

Anyone else that wants to give their input, please do so before Thursday because Friday we will post the set rules.

Also if there's anyone else still interested in these leagues or has friends that are interested, there are open spots.

[Mr Dio]

How many open in the $250?
Might we have to go with 10 teams?

[Kori Ellis]

How many open in the $250?
Might we have to go with 10 teams?

We have 10 teams now I believe. As of tomorrow, I am going out and getting two people we don't know (like we did last year). I had been trying to get people that we knew or at least sort of knew.

[yavozerb]

kori how many do we have for 50$ league??

[Kori Ellis]

kori how many do we have for 50$ league??

10 plus a couple maybes.

We need 12 confirmed in each league by Friday.

So if you have friends that are interested, have them email me at [email protected]

[Kori Ellis]

Rosters [Edit]
QB 1
RB 2
WR 2
TE 1
R/W 1 still debating
K 1
D/ST 1
Bench 9
Total Roster Size 18 set

League Scoring System [Edit]
Passing Touchdowns 6 points
Passing Yards 1 point for each 40 Passing Yards
Passing 2-Point Conversions 2 points
Passing Interceptions -2 points
Rushing Touchdowns 6 points
Rushing Yards 1 point for each 15 Rushing Yards set
Rushing 2-Point Conversions 2 points
Receiving Touchdowns 6 points
Receiving Yards 1 point for each 15 Receiving Yards set
Receiving 2-Point Conversions 2 points
Fumbles Lost -2 points
Any Fumble Recovered for a Touchdown 6 points
Field Goals 0-39 yards = 3 points
40-49 yards = 4 points
50+ yards = 5 points
Missed field goals 0-29 = -2 changed

Extra Points Made 1 point
Extra Points Missed -1 points
Sack 1 point
Safety 2 points
Interceptions 2 points
Fumble Recovery 2 points
Blocked Punt/FG/PAT 2 points
TD scored by Defense 6 points
TD scored by Special Teams 6 points
Points Allowed by Defense 0 points allowed = 12 points
1-6 points allowed = 7 points
7-13 points allowed = 4 points
14-20 points allowed = 1 point
21-27 points allowed = 0 points
28-34 points allowed = -1 points
35+ points allowed = -4 points


Points Use Fractional Points for Yards Gained

Playoffs [Edit]
Playoff System 6 Teams, 3 Weeks, top 2 teams get byes
Start Playoffs Week 14

[Kori Ellis]

It looks to me that most people have voted against PPR and against the flex spot.

Anything else that needs discussed?

[Kori Ellis]

Everyone need to get the login info for yahoo from me. These two leagues, $50/$250 re-draft (non dynasty), got moved from FoxSports to Yahoo.

[Kori Ellis]

I just input the settings on Yahoo for the $250 league.

Can someone check them over and see if they are correct? (I realize flex/ppr are still debating)



Draft Type: Live Draft
Draft Time: Sun Sep 3 2:00pm CDT [ Add to My Calendar ]
Max Teams: 12
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head
Start Scoring on: Week 1
Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Reject Time: 1
Trade End Date: November 17, 2006
Trade Review: Commissioner
Waiver Time: 1 day
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Playoffs: Week 14, 15 and 16 (6 teams)
Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN
Stat Categories: Passing Yards (40 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-2)
Rushing Yards (15 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Reception Yards (15 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards (-2)
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards (-2)
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards (0)
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards (0)
Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards (0)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Point After Attempt Missed (-1)
Sack (1)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns (6)
Points Allowed 0 points (12)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)
Fractional Points: Yes
Negative Points: Yes

[Kori Ellis]

If they are correct, then I'll input them for the $50 league too.

[Mr Dio]

How will it work if someone has a WR that also returns kicks/punts & scores a TD?
Will that player's TD count only towards the owner that owns the Def/Spec Tm?

[Kori Ellis]

As I have it now, it will count for both the offensive player if they are the returner

Return Touchdowns (6)

And it will count for the defense/special team

Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns (6)

[Kori Ellis]

I'm waiting for a couple people to do their registrations, then the draft orders will be set for these two leagues. (Hopefully by Monday)

[fear_the_fro]

Kris I notice that you never replied to my league invite. It's fine, I understand. Stick to where you are more comfortable, playing with guys like TPark. Nice trade you guys made there :rolleyes

[Kori Ellis]

Since the playoffs are starting weeks 14-16, then the final payouts for the $250 league increase a little.


$100 weekly prize for high points x 14 weeks
Overall winner - $1000 2nd place - $400 3rd place - $125 4th place - $75


$100 weekly prize for high points x 13 weeks
Overall winner - $1025 2nd place - $425 3rd place - $150 4th place - $100

I don't think anyone should have a problem with that, but if you do, let me know.

[johngateswhiteley]

Since the playoffs are starting weeks 14-16, then the final payouts for the $250 league increase a little.





I don't think anyone should have a problem with that, but if you do, let me know.

[Mr Dio]

Are the draft slots done?
Everyone register?

[Kori Ellis]

Are the draft slots done?
Everyone register?

No.
No.
If they were done, it would be posted.

[Mr Dio]

No.
No.
If they were done, it would be posted.


So why are we waiting?
Have the people we're waiting on paid yet?
If these people haven't paid let's get someone else.

[TxJudsonRocketTx]

So why are we waiting?
Have the people we're waiting on paid yet?
If these people haven't paid let's get someone else.

I think we're still trying to find one more person

[Mr Dio]

My offer still stands.

[Kori Ellis]

I think we're still trying to find one more person

No we aren't.

We have the people.

They just haven't signed up on Yahoo.

The draft isn't for over a week. Everyone needs to calm down.

[Mr Dio]

I need a fix Kori!!!!
My arm itches man!!!

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I already know I am getting the 4 spot.

[Kori Ellis]

$250 League Update: I had eight people interested in the last spot. 3 of them decided they couldn't make the draft time (after committing). 2 of them flaked. So now I have 3 more interested. One of them committed to the league today and says he'll send his check and sign up on Yahoo tomorrow. If that happens, then I'll set the draft order tomorrow night.

[Pistons < Spurs]

:tu thx for the update!