Argentina Vs Slovenia

[spursparker9]

the match is about to start... :elephant

[orhe]

woi it's live on our TV hell yeah

[Pero]

Can`t wait. :)

[spursparker9]

...my tv haven't show the match yet.... its past 6pm....

[Pero]

It should start in about 10 minutes.

[spursparker9]

this match feature 8 nba players

[velik_m]

this match feature 8 nba players

most of them slovenians.

[Pero]

I just wish I understood what the comentators are saying. :)

[Pero]

SLO starting five:
Jurak, Becirovic, Nesterovic, Nachbar, Udrih

Forgot the ARG starting five

[Slo spurs fan]

Game blog please!

[zeleni]

how is the game goin'? I haven't still quite master the chinese thingy.

[Pero]

Beautiful play by Sani at the beginning, then a 3pt play by Rasho. Missed what happened next. Udrih makes 1 free throw...

8-4 for slovenia

[Pero]

crap 8-8

[Pero]

Free throws for Rasho

[Pero]

made 1 of 2

[Pero]

udrih long 2

11- 8 slo

[Pero]

14-13 for ARG after a basket by Scola

[Pero]

Technical foul by Nocioni

15-14 slo

[Pero]

have to go for a while, I hope our game doesn`t completely break down.

[spursparker9]

manu - 5 pts ( 1 dunk, 1 3pters )

[spursparker9]

arg - 20
slv - 18
1 quarter left 1 min

[Slo spurs fan]

arg - 20
slv - 18
1 quarter left 1 min
Rasho and Beno with 6 pts

[spursparker9]

20 - 18, slovenia leads after 1st quarter

[Slo spurs fan]

22 - 20 end of 1st qtr

Rasho 8
Beno 6
Sani 6
Nachbar 2

[furry_spurry]

Rasho with the two-handed put-back dunk!! Rasho with 8 points and 3 rebounds. :)

[Renu_]

Pipan should try with Slokar. Becirovic is great so far.

[Pero]

33-32 arg

[spursparker9]

38 - 35 arg leads

manu - 5pts
delfino - 10 pts, 1 stl

[spursparker9]

scola - 9 pts
rasho - 8pts
beno - 8 pts

[Slo spurs fan]

Jaka WTF???
He is killing us.

[Slo spurs fan]

First stupid TO wich result in 5 points for Argies and then another stupid throw-in!?!?!?

[Slo spurs fan]

44 - 38 Arg

[spursparker9]

halftime, 48 - 42 Arg leads

manu - 9pts
beno - 10pts
scola - 11pts

[zeleni]

We have bad defensive interior with Brezec inside. Slokar on the other hand is intensive but also to offensive.

Milic for 3 in the final seconds? WTF!?

[zeleni]

Neither Beno or Jaka should score as much as they do. Slokar and Jurak should have more points, and Milko and Boki also. They are not trying to be a team enough. Jaka is trying to change that and I think we should play the same war for at least 10 more minutes.

[Pero]

Milic for 3 in the final seconds? WTF!?

Yeah, thought the same thing. I guess they couldn`t muster anything better in the final seconds.

[Spurs#20]

THey're showing the game on pplive

[furry_spurry]

We have bad defensive interior with Brezec inside. Slokar on the other hand is intensive but also to offensive.

The defense definitely suffers with Brezec in for Rasho. Of course, I saw the same with Nazr in for Rasho, as well.


Neither Beno or Jaka should score as much as they do. Slokar and Jurak should have more points, and Milko and Boki also. They are not trying to be a team enough.

The days of the scoring PG seem to have taken over everywhere!

[SlovenianGuy]

The first quarter is what matters. I don't believe that Pipan will make changes like this in the WC. Four of the starting five haven't played at all in the 2nd Q.

[SlovenianGuy]

Maybe we'll see the real rotation in the 2nd half or tomorrow.

[velik_m]

The first quarter is what matters. I don't believe that Pipan will make changes like this in the WC. Four of the starting five haven't played at all in the 2nd Q.

Pipan still doing the hockey subs?

[Slo spurs fan]

The first quarter is what matters. I don't believe that Pipan will make changes like this in the WC. Four of the starting five haven't played at all in the 2nd Q.
True!

[Slo spurs fan]

Pipan still doing the hockey subs?
Yep!

[Renu_]

what a lousy start

[spursparker9]

58 - 44 arg leads

noiconi is taking over the match now

[Slo spurs fan]

58 - 44 we are done. Fuck it! What a lousy performance.

[Pero]

WTF, I`m not watching for a few minutes and ARG leads by 14?!?!

[Slo spurs fan]

No defence, no running w/o ball, no passing or stupid trys...

[furry_spurry]

SLO turnovers leading to easy baskets for ARG.

[zeleni]

Nachbar is trying to be physical...and gets fouls.

Sani is slow and Beno a stupid and one-dimensional SG. That shouldn't happened this late before a tournament!?

[Pero]

Fucking ARG picnrolls...

[Slo spurs fan]

Nachbar can´t hit shit.

[Slo spurs fan]

Nachbar is trying to be physical...and gets fouls.

Sani is slow and Beno a stupid and one-dimensional SG. That shouldn't happened this late before a tournament!?
Where the fuck you see Beno? He is on the Bench now!

[Slo spurs fan]

It is Jaka who fucked up!

[Pero]

It`s the whole team who is fucking up......

[Slo spurs fan]

This is bullshit.

[Slo spurs fan]

It`s the whole team who is fucking up......
True...

[Pero]

This is still "experimenting", if this game was for real, there`s no way Pipan would lead our team this way.

[Slo spurs fan]

Our guys can´t hit shit, on the other hand Argies can´t miss even with closed eyes.

[Pero]

We lost this one, it would be a small miracle if we got back into the game.

[spursparker9]

77 - 49 arg leads, end of 3rd quarter

[zeleni]

Jaka has players who don't pay attention. We had numerous jumpshooting attemp without possibility for a offensive rebound. We have no assists and hardly an inside presence in defense, like they all are just admiring Argentina.

But, hey, they play beatiful, the Argies.

[Slo spurs fan]

77-49 Arg end of 3rd :depressed

[Pero]

It would be more embarassing if we play against Serbia like this. :lol

[Slo spurs fan]

Jaka has players who don't pay attention. We had numerous jumpshooting attemp without possibility for a offensive rebound. We have no assists and hardly an inside presence in defense, like they all are just admiring Argentina.

But, hey, they play beatiful, the Argies.
Jaka can´t pass, can´t hit shit and makes a load of TO´s. And no, I am not hater, he is my neighbour from childhood and I like him as a man and as a player, but this is not his day!

[10-tka]

Angel here is another word for you GROZA!

[Pero]

30 pt difference :(

[Slo spurs fan]

Argies just can´t miss! WTF?

[Pero]

Why isn`t Sani playing?

[zeleni]

It would be more embarassing if we play against Serbia like this. :lol

Man, you are a sick fuck! This is not embarassing, this is a slaughter. Who cares if we play that bad, but we have no chance to be even in a second round with this kind of game. Who cares if that can happen against Serbia, it already happened to Turkey and Argentine!! We cannot win against China playing like this?!?

[Slo spurs fan]

Reverse slam by Milic!

[zeleni]

Playin Brezec and Rasho.

[zeleni]

Why isn`t Sani playing?

Slow and without interest. No defense and no inspiration. Need more?

[Slo spurs fan]

83-60, 6 min left. TO arg.

[ata]

Reverse slam by Milic!
... with much traveling..

[Pero]

Man, you are a sick fuck! This is not embarassing, this is a slaughter. Who cares if we play that bad, but we have no chance to be even in a second round with this kind of game. Who cares if that can happen against Serbia, it already happened to Turkey and Argentine!! We cannot win against China playing like this?!?

I was making a joke, since the Argies got crushed by Serbia.
And relax, it`s just a friendly game. Like I said before, I`d rather see we lose all our friendly games than win them. No overconfidnce this way, and the desire for winning is stronger.
We won`t play against China like this, because China isn`t as good as Argentina. It`s not just us who are playing so bad, Argetina is playing very well, and hit almost everything they shoot.

[furry_spurry]

I did enjoy Rasho's steal and HIM running the break- ended with his assist. :)

Rasho 12 points/ 10 rebounds

The starting unit played much better with Beno than Jaka today.

[Pero]

Heheh, now it`s just 20

[Slo spurs fan]

10 - 0 run by Slo!

[Pero]

LOL at Brezec... I mean WTF :lol

[zeleni]

Brezec is the clumziest of them all. He is making Nazr's hands worth the money.

[angel_luv]

Dobro jutro guys! :elephant

[angel_luv]

What's the score? What's the score? What's the score? :lol

[Pero]

Dobro jutro guys!

Sorry, but it`s not good....
Maybe you coming here will change things. :)

[velik_m]

This is still "experimenting", if this game was for real, there`s no way Pipan would lead our team this way.

So when does he stop "experimenting"? i'm sick of this shit, this team needs confidence, they need to play. Pipan by now should already know what lineups work together, instead he's still toying, playing everybody so their feeling won't get hurt. This team needs to know they can compete.

[Slo spurs fan]

Dobro jutro guys! :elephant
You better go back to sleep! :oops :depressed

[Slo spurs fan]

Rasho with double-double 15/10

[angel_luv]

Sorry, but it`s not good....
Maybe you coming here will change things. :)
I hope! :)

I came home especially to blog. The people I am house sitting for forgot to leave instructions on how to access thier internet.

I wanted to come at tip off but the dog was lonely from being left all day and my room mate was definitely not expecting me. She is 72 and I didn't want to scare her.

[Pero]

So when does he stop "experimenting"? i'm sick of this shit, this team needs confidence, they need to play. Pipan by now should already know what lineups work together, instead he's still toying, playing everybody so their feeling won't get hurt. This team needs to know they can compete.

I know, but he`s the coach, and we have to trust him. :)

[Slo spurs fan]

Beno 16

[Slo spurs fan]

Scola 21

[angel_luv]

Rasho with double-double 15/10


Fear the Sho! Excellent!

I saw in the beginnng of the thread that Sho made a three point play. :elephant

I wanted him to get a three pointer for my birthday- close enough. :D

[Pero]

Besides, we can be pissed at him after the WC if thing go badly.

[Slo spurs fan]

Beno 18

[velik_m]

I know, but he`s the coach, and we have to trust him. :)

after he got owned by germans? he needs to earn my trust.

[Renu_]

In first QRT i saw our defence! Where's she gone now??

[angel_luv]

Beno 16


Excellent again! Well done! :elephant

[angel_luv]

It would be a shame to lose when Sho and Beno had such awesome games.

What is the score and how much time?

[Pero]

after he got owned by germans? he needs to earn my trust.

He got us to the WC! And the Germans were third at the last WC, so I guess he wasn`t the only coach "getting owned"...

[spursparker9]

arg 94, slo 72

manu didn't play much in second half

[Pero]

I think it was 94-72

[angel_luv]

I think it was 94-72

Ouch.

[zeleni]

after he got owned by germans? he needs to earn my trust.

He needs to earn your trust after we stopped Dirk and Pascal Roller was shooting threes 4/4 or something?!
Ain't you a primadonna? ;)

[velik_m]

He got us to the WC! And the Germans were third at the last WC, so I guess he wasn`t the only coach "getting owned"...

yeah, our team beat the shellshocked Croatia. it's not that he lost to the Geramns it's that he lost because of his mistakes - like benching Breza when Germany couldn't stop him.

We'll probably beat Senegal and China and than we'll be so happy that we completed our objective that we won't mind losing by 20+ points to Lithuania and everybody will then try to explain to us how this is a great succes.

And getting 20 points per quarter is not defense.

[orhe]

rasho was visibly frustrated :((
Beno was really good he was forcing the pace and was playing really well... until his coach took him out for a quarter or so...

Manu played well he had a sequence where he had 4 straight dazzling assists

[Pero]

Lithuania isn`t in our group. :)
Anything more than the second round will be a success, anything less a faliure.

[zeleni]

no change... Oberto and Scola were magnificient. Manu was a NBA playoff miracle. Delfino was racing, and Nocioni killed us all.

Beno was shooting it, Rasho was the only thinking man, but he played the center position and wasn't a designated shooter, Brezec was clumsy, Jaka was not in sync wih others. Nachbar was too passionate and Sani way too cold.

I must say Pipan and others will learn a lot from all of this. They were a laughing stock and should be declared as clowns of this tournament. Serbia should lose the next game. Only Slokar, Rasho, Beno and Milic played the game the learned long time ago. Others just wanted to be lucky?!?!

But Pero is right. We are on the learning curve and pride would be sin till we at least achieve something. And then, like we know from ZZ, pride is even a greater sin. So relax... People needs to appreciate each other on the court. Ozbolt made a world of difference and we can only hope what can Dragic do. Let's just wait and see.

[velik_m]

He needs to earn your trust after we stopped Dirk and Pascal Roller was shooting threes 4/4 or something?!
Ain't you a primadonna? ;)

we stoped Nowitzki?

he scored 22 points just 4 points less than his average - and at what cost? doubling him so Roller can shoot open 3pters.

[velik_m]

Lithuania isn`t in our group. :)
Anything more than the second round will be a success, anything less a faliure.

If we beat Senegal&China we get to top16 guess which group we cross with?

top16 is not succes - it's realistic. Getting our buts kicked by any half-decent team out there is not OK.

[angel_luv]

rasho was visibly frustrated :((


I can understand. Sorry, Sho.



Beno was really good he was forcing the pace and was playing really well...


I wish I had seen this game. Beno and Sho both did really well.
I am so proud of them.



Manu played well he had a sequence where he had 4 straight dazzling assists

Gino amazes me- even after all this time watching him play. He really is a magician on the court. :)


. Nachbar was too passionate .

Do you think Nachbar was too passionate because he was trying to make up for yesterday?

[zeleni]

we stoped Nowitzki?

he scored 22 points just 4 points less than his average - and at what cost? doubling him so Roller can shoot open 3pters.

He had one of the lowest FG%. Roller got his shots not couse of doubling. He was just on fire from the game before.

[velik_m]

no change... Oberto and Scola were magnificient. Manu was a NBA playoff miracle. Delfino was racing, and Nocioni killed us all.

Beno was shooting it, Rasho was the only thinking man, but he played the center position and wasn't a designated shooter, Brezec was clumsy, Jaka was not in sync wih others. Nachbar was too passionate and Sani way too cold.

I must say Pipan and others will learn a lot from all of this. They were a laughing stock and should be declared as clowns of this tournament. Serbia should lose the next game. Only Slokar, Rasho, Beno and Milic played the game the learned long time ago. Others just wanted to be lucky?!?!

But Pero is right. We are on the learning curve and pride would be sin till we at least achieve something. And then, like we know from ZZ, pride is even a greater sin. So relax... People needs to appreciate each other on the court. Ozbolt made a world of difference and we can only hope what can Dragic do. Let's just wait and see.

they sure are making sure there's nothing to be proud of out there.

[velik_m]

He had one of the lowest FG%. Roller got his shots not couse of doubling. He was just on fire from the game before.

he was open all the time.

[Pero]

Eh, say what you want, I don`t really care for this meaningless game. I`ve got other things to be pissed about...
I don`t see why people get frustrated even before the WC, when it really matters...

[orhe]

anyway we can't get much out of the game... because the substitutions were weird :)
Argentina started out really slowly... their offense was bad while the slovenians were executing well...

during the first part it was the frontcourt for Arg who was the center of the offense (too much one on one me thinks?) and the offense looked slow... meanwhile Beno was breaking down the argentine defense and was executing some good passes

im gettingtoo lazy to recall shit so :) during the second half the defense got a little lazy me thinks and argentina took advantage and pulled away

[zeleni]

If we beat Senegal&China we get to top16 guess which group we cross with?

top16 is not succes - it's realistic. Getting our buts kicked by any half-decent team out there is not OK.

China has Yao Ming and ZhiZhi, two NBA centers. They have a lot less egos and big pressure to make any result. It like playing against Slovenia in Beograd, but with more quality centers and with more fans. Beating China is not easy, and after playing against Argentina, I do not know if even possible.

We can beat anyone, but I doubt we will be playing against drunk teams with little sleep and no ambition, so please... Germans we should win against, but we don't know about others? Senegal is the only team to count as a possible suprise. Any other team is just a serious opponent.

[furry_spurry]

Argentina played like they are capable of in the second half. In the first half, they had little ball movement and a lot of players were trying to score one-on one. In the second half ARG started to move the ball and run some nice pick-n-rolls. Coupled with all the SLO turnovers and the game slipped away in the 3Q.

It does not upset me as much as some, as ARG has been the best team in the world the past 4 years. I know they lost to S & M yesterday, but when they play well, they could still win the WC. I think the frustration stems from two good first quarters these past 2 days. As someone said, the rotations will not be this way next week.

You can see, though, the guys on SLO have not been this way before. It is a first for them, and some of the inexperience is showing. SLO has probably NEVER played a team as good as ARG.

[orhe]

I did enjoy Rasho's steal and HIM running the break- ended with his assist. :)

Rasho 12 points/ 10 rebounds

The starting unit played much better with Beno than Jaka today.

yeah Rasho leading the break was WOAH hehehe and the pass was right on the money too! followed by an unexpected reverse jam lolol Milic can jump high but i don't think he can do much from what i saw... the guy can't hit a jumper and he doesn't move really well...

[angel_luv]

Angel here is another word for you GROZA!


I am just now getting to re read the entire thread.

What does GROZA mean?

P.S. I had a language lesson yesterday. Check out the Slovenia thread. :)

[angel_luv]

Back to the game, having read the whole thread... doesn't it say something good about the team that they made that comeback towards the end when they could have quit?

[velik_m]

grôza - dismay, horror, dread.

[ata]

I am just now getting to re read the entire thread.

What does GROZA mean?

P.S. I had a language lesson yesterday. Check out the Slovenia thread. :)

dismay, horror, dread

PS: Happy birthday :princess

[velik_m]

Back to the game, having read the whole thread... doesn't it say something good about the team that they made that comeback towards the end when they could have quit?

no it says argies relaxed and let us run down the score.

[SequSpur]

Can someone translate this for me?

[angel_luv]

grôza - dismay, horror, dread.

hvala.

Hopefully groza this will be a rarely used term. :)


dismay, horror, dread

PS: Happy birthday :princess

hvala lepa :)



no it says argies relaxed and let us run down the score.

Well there goes that silver lining. :lol

Can't blame a girl for trying. :)

[Slo spurs fan]

Can someone translate this for me?
Get a life.

[Renu_]

Back to the game, having read the whole thread... doesn't it say something good about the team that they made that comeback towards the end when they could have quit?

I missed the 3th QR.. so i don't know what happened there. When i came back it looked like a disaster. But am happy that Milic didn't give up and brought our spirits up.

[Nikos]

Can someone translate this for me?

Beno sucks.

[angel_luv]

Beno sucks.


Oh yeah! I have been wanting to say this...

Pojdite stran!

:lol

[Slo spurs fan]

Beno sucks.
Greece stinks.

[SLOVENIAN 8]

This fuck... Spain throw again about 40 free throws on one game :madrun , against us and now against SCG. Damit they have something wit that fuck... fiba. The refs are on their side totaly :madrun

[velik_m]

This fuck... Spain throw again about 40 free throws on one game :madrun , against us and now against SCG. Damit they have something wit that fuck... fiba. The refs are on their side totaly :madrun

you should ask Croatians what they think of Spain and FIBA.

[diego]

get a grip slovenes, the tourney hasnt started yet!

support your boys and if they disappoint you can rip them apart afterwards!!!! I hope the players arent as pessimistic as you guys!

[zeleni]

get a grip slovenes, the tourney hasnt started yet!

support your boys and if they disappoint you can rip them apart afterwards!!!! I hope the players arent as pessimistic as you guys!

Who's pessimistic? Teams are not world apart. Slovenia has to be on a continual rise. And we are climbing apparently from hell... There is just so much to do. Slovenes have to be worried.

[velik_m]

yesterday -11
today -22
tomorrow ?

[ALVAREZ6]

Anyone have a link to the box score or a link to video highlights????

[velik_m]

Slovenia - Argentina 72:94 (22:20, 42:48, 49:77).

spectators 6500, refs: Wei Bing (China), Jovcic (Serbia), Bertran (Spain).

Slovenia: Lakovic 5 (3:4), Becirovic 4 (4:4), Nesterovic 17 (5:9), Ozbolt 5, Udrih 18 (1:2), Nachbar 5 (1:4), Milic 11 (3:6), Slokar 2, Brezec 5 (1:2).

Argentina: Ginobili 9, Nocioni 17 (5:6), Scola 21 (3:4), Oberto 13 (1:3), Herrmann 10 (3:4), Delfino 14 (3:6), Prigioni 5 (2:2), Wolkowyski 5.

Freethrows: Slovenija 18:31, Argentina 17:25.
3pointers: Slovenija 2:14 (Ozbolt, Udrih), Argentina 5:16 (Ginobili, Herrmann, Delfino, Prigioni, Wolkowyski).
Fouls: Slovenija 23, Argentina 26.
Fouled out: Delfino (36.).

[furry_spurry]

I will say one thing very Spurs related about the game. Anyone who watched it knows that the reported claim from the Spurs FO that Scola can't play alongside Tim is bogus. I didn't buy it before as the reason Scola isn't in SA and I buy it even less now.

[SpursWillOwn]

spurs should have signed tabby instead of berto

[Pero]

Who`s Tabby?

[spurschick]

I will say one thing very Spurs related about the game. Anyone who watched it knows that the reported claim from the Spurs FO that Scola can't play alongside Tim is bogus. I didn't buy it before as the reason Scola isn't in SA and I buy it even less now.

Wow, furry_spurry saying something bad about the Spurs FO? I'm shocked. :heavy sarcasm

[furry_spurry]

For anyone who missed the game: Taiwan ESPN channel (also on PPStream) will be re-broadcasting:

15-Aug-06 14:00
PHILIPS SINGAPORE CUP 2006
Argentina Vs Slovenia

That is 8:00 AM SLO and 1:00 AM in SA.

Tomorrow:

13-Aug-06 16:00
STAR Sports
PHILIPS SINGAPORE CUP 2006
Serbia & Montenegro Vs Slovenia

13-Aug-06 18:30
STAR Sports
PHILIPS SINGAPORE CUP 2006
Spain Vs Argentina

Subtract 6 hours for SLO and 13 hours for SA.

[furry_spurry]

Wow, furry_spurry saying something bad about the Spurs FO? I'm shocked. :heavy sarcasm
Did YOU watch the game? Scola has a really nice jump shot and ABSOLUTLEY does NOT need the ball in the same spots as Tim to score- like the Spurs have claimed. Even people close to the Spurs admit that Scola's not being in SA isn't about money or his basketball skills.

Why do you seem to have such a difficult time knowing that the Spurs spew out PR. Every business does. I just have enough sense to examine it and decide for myself if it is valid or BS. Things thay have said about Scola for now two seasons are pure lies-- from the sudden claim last summer that his buy-out was $14 M to the reasons they haven't signed him. Fans have been anxious to see him in a Spurs uniform and the FO has to come up with some reason for him not to be here that they think fans will buy. Are you really that naive that you think everything the Spurs says is true? Have you ever listened to Pop blatantly lie through his teeth on the Pop show? People think it is cute to call it CIA-Pop, but it is lying nonetheless, and the Spurs do it all the time.

What I wonder is-- why YOU are always the person to come in and defend the Spurs NO MATTER what they say or do? And why does your tagline say "ss&e owns me" if you aren't connected to the Spurs?

[SpursWillOwn]

tabby=nocioni

[ALVAREZ6]

tabby=nocioni
:wtf :huh

[sendman]

It looks like Rasho feals that he lost his job with Spurs because of Oberto and Scola. He played with great passion and determination to prove his point. Pitty that the others didn't follow his lead. Slovenian guards are hanging on to the ball for much too long (Lakovic and Becirovic) and they don't play any defense (Beno included). Slovenian coach has a lot of head scratching infront of him to figure this one out.

[furry_spurry]

Timvp would have been "proud" of Rasho taking the ball inside and drawing fouls. He shot 9 free throws! :)

[SpursWillOwn]

sorta like a nickname ^^

[zeleni]

Wow, furry_spurry saying something bad about the Spurs FO? I'm shocked. :heavy sarcasm

No, Spurs claim is absolutely true. If Tim plays PF, Scola cannot play along unless you cut his entire jumpshooting game off. Scola has to be ready to do something like that. Oberto has to be ready to do something like that to his teammate. Manu has to sacrifice his friend. And even Timmy wouldn't want to change too much.

We all have to wait to see. It's lying, but thats what makes the sports go round.

[Kori Ellis]

I will say one thing very Spurs related about the game. Anyone who watched it knows that the reported claim from the Spurs FO that Scola can't play alongside Tim is bogus. I didn't buy it before as the reason Scola isn't in SA and I buy it even less now.

Obviously the Spurs don't think he's good enough to pay 3-4M/year, whether it's beside Tim or behind him.

[furry_spurry]

Obviously the Spurs don't think he's good enough to pay 3-4M/year, whether it's beside Tim or behind him.
Like I said- I don't believe it has anything to do with the amount of money- and I have been told that by more than one person I trust.

[Kori Ellis]

Like I said- I don't believe it has anything to do with the amount of money- and I have been told that by more than one person I trust.

So you think it's just personal?

They hate Scola?

Because you don't think it's about his game or about money.

So what's it about?

I think it's about his game and the money.
I think they don't think he's worth the money that it would take to sign him. I think if he could accept a million a year then he'd be he already.

[timvp]

Timvp would have been "proud" of Rasho taking the ball inside and drawing fouls. He shot 9 free throws! :)

Props.

I think that's more than he shot all of last year.

[ShoogarBear]

How many did he make?

[spurschick]

Did YOU watch the game? Scola has a really nice jump shot and ABSOLUTLEY does NOT need the ball in the same spots as Tim to score- like the Spurs have claimed. Even people close to the Spurs admit that Scola's not being in SA isn't about money or his basketball skills.

I never said Scola didn't have skills or didn't deserve a shot in the NBA. My comment was about you always bashing the Spurs FO. I know I'm not the only one who has noticed it.


Why do you seem to have such a difficult time knowing that the Spurs spew out PR. Are you really that naive that you think everything the Spurs says is true?

Naive? Not quite. And tell me exactly where I said that everything the Spurs say is true.


Have you ever listened to Pop blatantly lie through his teeth on the Pop show? People think it is cute to call it CIA-Pop, but it is lying nonetheless, and the Spurs do it all the time.

You really seem to have a lot of anger towards the organization. I realize that you can still be a fan of the team players and not of the ownership, but success often comes from the top down, so I don't know how you can completely disconnect the two.


What I wonder is-- why YOU are always the person to come in and defend the Spurs NO MATTER what they say or do? And why does your tagline say "ss&e owns me" if you aren't connected to the Spurs?

Just me? I don't think so. There are a lot of people here that disagree with you and your take on things. And I don't defend the Spurs "no matter what they say or do" and if you care to read through my old posts, which I doubt you will, you'll see me doing my share of criticizing, although that crown belongs to you.

And why do I have to be connected to the Spurs to have respect for them and their organization? Bottom line is that you just like to bitch. You should start your own thread called "The Official Spurs Organization Sucks Thread". You can make it your own personal blog.

[furry_spurry]

How many did he make?
5/9 Not wonderful, but the early ones looked great. Rasho played the whole second half and his free throws started to get flatter and flatter.

[furry_spurry]

So you think it's just personal?

They hate Scola?

Because you don't think it's about his game or about money.

So what's it about?

I think it's about his game and the money.
I think they don't think he's worth the money that it would take to sign him. I think if he could accept a million a year then he'd be he already.

The person I most trust about all things Spurs FO-wise told me this:
1. It's not about the $$.
2. The statements about Scola not being able to play alongside Tim are the "public" reasons given.
3. More has gone on behind the scenes. You could possibly call it "personal" in the sense that the Spurs don't want Scola. This person has told me for almost 2 years that Scola will never, ever play for the Spurs.

Maybe he's wrong, but he's been right so far about a lot of things.

[Sway]

^JERRY...JERRY...JERRY^

Forget about basketball, how about some more of the Springer moments? :blah

[furry_spurry]

I think people don't understand-- I have no problem with the Spurs FO running their business however they want. My issue is with their repeated attempts to present themselves publicly as something different from what they are. They are a business- run like any other business- to make $$$. This public persona where they act as if they are so perfect and wonderful when they are just as ruthless as any other professional sports franchise around. They will lie and deceive and do whatever it takes. And anyone who "spurns" them better be ready for the PR assault on them. They do not have more loyalty than all the other teams have for their players. They are not "above" the rest and I get tired of them acting like they are. It is why I said before-- when you portray yourself as better than everyone else, you have farther to fall.

It is like when I read people claim in here that the Spurs have the classiest fans in the NBA. Really? How many arenas have you been to in order to compare. I have seen plenty of Spurs fans act like real jerks at Spurs games in San Antonio and done things that embarrassed me as a fan. And I have had fans in opposing arenas be really nice to me and tell me how much they like a certain Spurs player and wish he was on their team.

And yes, someone asked. I am a fan of the PLAYERS- the people- and not the organizational entity. They were already the kind of people they were before they got to SA and will continue to be those kind of people after they are gone.

[spurschick]

Based on your avatar and that your fave team is the Raptors, perhaps what I'm really reading here is bitterness that they traded Rasho?


They are not "above" the rest and I get tired of them acting like they are. It is why I said before-- when you portray yourself as better than everyone else, you have farther to fall.

I realize that it's just one poll, but I anticipate the Spurs still being somewhere in the top 5 when the poll comes out in December 2006. Ouch... looks like your Raptors have some work to do.

San Antonio Spurs Named ''Best Franchise'' by ESPN The Magazine's Ultimate Standings Fan Poll; Second Title for Spurs Since Poll's Debut in 2000
Dec 7, 2005

Top 10 Franchises:
1. San Antonio Spurs (last year's rank: 2)
2. Detroit Pistons (last year's rank: 1)
3. Pittsburgh Steelers (last year's rank: 9
4. Indianapolis Colts (last year's rank: 3)
5. Los Angeles Angels (last year's rank: 5)
6. Atlanta Falcons (last year's rank 7)
7. St. Louis Cardinals (last year's rank 11)
8. Carolina Panthers (last year's rank 12)
9. Atlanta Braves (last year's rank: 16)
10. New England Patriots (last year's rank: 4)

Bottom 10 Franchises:
82. Los Angeles Dodgers (last year's rank: 52)
83. Philadelphia Phillies (last year's rank: 78)
84. Toronto Raptors (last year's rank: 75)
85. Tampa Bay Devil Rays (last year's rank: 73)
86. Arizona Cardinals (last year's rank: 82)
87. Atlanta Hawks (last year's rank: 88)
88. New York Knicks (last year's rank: 77)
89. Portland Trail Blazers (last year's rank: 79)
90. Minnesota Vikings (last year's rank: 81)
91. New Orleans Saints (last year's rank: 87)


And yes, someone asked. I am a fan of the PLAYERS- the people- and not the organizational entity. They were already the kind of people they were before they got to SA and will continue to be those kind of people after they are gone.

Um... it's the organization that recognizes the kind of people the players are and that's why they bring them here. And, the organization has made errors in judgement when it comes to character in the past, but overall they do bring quality people in. Look! I criticized them! Are you happy now?

Probably not. Ya know, we've had a similar conversation now in two threads and I'm sure people are getting tired of reading it as much as I'm tired of having it. I know I'm the one that started this one off with a sarcastic comment and I apologize for contributing to this thread getting off track. I really hope the Spurs refund your season tickets in full. We don't need your negative energy in the arena. As for your opinion of the Spurs FO, you're entitled to it as much as I'm entitled to disagree with you. In the future, I'll simply ignore you.

[furry_spurry]

Look- you are the one who came into a thread where I was talking about my perceptions of Scola based upon a game I watched today and from which I drew the conclusion that others have shared with me that Scola COULD indeed play alongside Tim Duncan. You are the one who responded the way you did to my remark.

As for the ESPN survey- it is based upon fan opinions, and the Spurs PR machine works very well. I already gave them "credit" for that. People "eat it up."

As for Rasho, I have said on more than one occasion that being traded away from the Spurs was the best thing that could happen for him. Toronto is a great fit- both basketball-wise and culturally. I hope if Pop doesn't play him that Beno gets traded, too.


it's the organization that recognizes the kind of people the players are and that's why they bring them here.

This is a perfect example of the PR I am talking about. People believe this- even though the Spurs have had no trouble bringing in players of questionable attitude and character- some with criminal backgrounds- even sexual assault charges. But people just don't want to believe that the "saintly" Spurs would do that.

[spurschick]

I really want to ignore you, but you're like a bad car wreck.


Look- you are the one who came into a thread where I was talking about my perceptions of Scola based upon a game I watched today and from which I drew the conclusion that others have shared with me that Scola COULD indeed play alongside Tim Duncan. You are the one who responded the way you did to my remark.

Is there an echo in here? Did I not say that I was the one that started this with a sarcastic remark? Also, my initial remark had nothing to do with your perceptions about Scola. My remark had to do with you bashing the Spurs FO. Again. Maybe you should go back and refresh your memory.


This is a perfect example of the PR I am talking about. People believe this- even though the Spurs have had no trouble bringing in players of questionable attitude and character- some with criminal backgrounds- even sexual assault charges. But people just don't want to believe that the "saintly" Spurs would do that.

You really only read what you want to, don't you? You quoted one sentence of an entire paragraph that I wrote where I actually said that the Spurs have made errors in judgement in the past when it came to character. You make it sound like half the team is made up of thugs and rapists. If you really want to make your argument, make a list of players who have "questionable attitude and character- some with criminal backgrounds- even sexual assault charges" that have existed in the past 10 years and let's compare that number to the number of players who have done nothing but good, both on and off the court.


As for the ESPN survey- it is based upon fan opinions, and the Spurs PR machine works very well. I already gave them "credit" for that. People "eat it up."

You think that only Spurs fans were polled? (And what's with the contant use of quotation marks?) And just how much power to you think the Spurs PR department has? You think they can influence how fans of other teams in other cities vote in a poll? Maybe we should send them to the Middle East to see if they can somehow influence peace.

[SequSpur]

When the Spurs sign a top free agent that can actually produce and one that isn't being paid 20 mill by another team, call me.

[ducks]

The person I most trust about all things Spurs FO-wise told me this:
1. It's not about the $$.
2. The statements about Scola not being able to play alongside Tim are the "public" reasons given.
3. More has gone on behind the scenes. You could possibly call it "personal" in the sense that the Spurs don't want Scola. This person has told me for almost 2 years that Scola will never, ever play for the Spurs.

Maybe he's wrong, but he's been right so far about a lot of things.


I have thought that not being able to play with duncan had some to do with it
but I also think that rc email to scola to improve his rebound and scola's respond had more to do with it

the spurs relation with him has always been bad
scola was ticked he was picked in the second round he wanted the guarantee money
I also wonder when duncan played against scola something happened....

[ducks]

I am sure scola will never be a spur

but scola is worth a number one draft pick

[ducks]

and all nba teams do not tell the fans the whole scoop and they do not need to....

they do not owe spur fans the real reasons they do

[ducks]

one more thing just because the spurs do not want scola does not mean they hate him
they have TRIED TO TRADE HIM IF THEY HATED HIM THEY WOULD NOT TRY TO TRADE HIM

[orhe]

man ducks straightens up his language when he's angry!
good job furry

[ducks]

when I am not at work I type better

[SequSpur]

but scola is worth a number one draft pick

Says who?

[kolko]

Box score:

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/anexos/imagen/06/555736.JPG

[spurschick]

Why does Delfino have an asterisk?

[kolko]

Why does Delfino have an asterisk?
Because he fouled out.

[zeleni]

Box score:

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/anexos/imagen/06/555736.JPG

That BOXSCORE is no good. Brezec had more FGA, and more rebounds. And that is just one players from the crop. They really should do their homework.

[ducks]

Says who?
the spurs :angel

[furry_spurry]

If you really want to make your argument, make a list of players who have "questionable attitude and character- some with criminal backgrounds- even sexual assault charges" that have existed in the past 10 years and let's compare that number to the number of players who have done nothing but good, both on and off the court.

I'd say one rapist is one too many-- and clearly shows that the team does not worry about "character" as much as people think.

[FromWayDowntown]

So, is the point of the now-expanding Scola diatribe that the Spurs should just come out and say "There's a quarrel between the sides -- one that would probably seem pretty petty to most objective observers -- that has stopped the organization from doling out millions of dollars over several years to a young player who, it seems, might have some ability to make our team better?" Would that be the sort of transparency that would satisfy furry_spurry?

Should the Spurs front office, manifested in Popovich, Buford, and Presti, be open to disclosing that the Spurs are pursuing trades, that they've targeted certain players in the draft, or in free agency, or that they just don't like particular guys and have decided to never bring them to San Antonio? Should the Spurs front office be making basketball decisions based on what the fans want?

I'll be frank -- I don't buy much of furry_spurry. This willingness to be "mostly ambiguous" about sources and undisclosed facts makes it rather difficult to even be sympathetic to the point. I mean, the claim is that the Scola situation wasn't about money (or apparently years) so when asked if its personal, we get "well, you could call it personal, but the Spurs "don't want Scola." Fair -- but the Spurs could not want Scola for any number of reasons that don't make them petty or vindictive. They could have quite reasonably decided, after watching Scola play for years in various European and international competitions, that Scola isn't capable of complimenting Duncan for an extended period of time. Call me a lemming if you will, but I'm inclined to buy the evaluation of the Spurs front office over an extended period of time more than I am the evaluation of a disgrunted fan who watched an exhibition match between international teams with nothing to play for.

Ultimately, I understand that I'm likely not getting all of the Scola story because it would make ABSOLUTLEY NO SENSE for the Spurs to tell me all of the Scola story. Assuming for one moment that the reason Luisito is still playing in Europe boils down to a petty quarrel, it does the Spurs absolutely no good to even intimate that that is true. If they did, other players -- with whom they might be more willing to overlook such pettiness -- would be seriously disinclined to even think about coming to San Antonio in the future. That would be particularly true with any other of this generation's Argentinians. The further you move away from a petty personal issue being the reason for Scola's non-arrival in SA, the more the Spurs apparent lack of candor makes sense. If they don't want to bring Scola over, it makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE to trash him about anything publicly. Scola's rights remain an asset to the Spurs -- the value of that asset depends entirely on what the rest of the basketball world thinks of him. I'm sure we all already know that it is decidedly in the Spurs best interests to do whatever they can to keep Scola's stock high -- indeed, the Spurs might very well believe (at least in part; I have to believe the completely ambiguous assertions by furry_spurry to avoid further wrath) that the best thing they can do to elevate Scola's stock is keep him out of the NBA. Just a thought.

In the end, it seems to me that furry_spurry will be unhappy with the Spurs' front office until either there is complete transparency or a press conference that entails an admission that Popovich and Buford are lying, manipulative bastards and no different than the rest of the NBA.

Having followed the Spurs since the late 70's, I take a different view of the work that those guys have done. I guess my appreciation for that is naive.

[furry_spurry]

Again totally missing the point. I have never said the Spurs need to tell the truth about anything. What I have said is that they DO NOT. They won't and that is their choice-- all teams do it. What I am questioning is people believing everything they say. Just because the Spurs say Scola isn't here because he can't play alongside Tim does not mean that the Spurs actually BELIEVE that. What they believe is that it is an "acceptable" reason to give to fans as why he isn't in SA- whether true or not.

REPEAT: I have never said they need to nor are obligated in ANY WAY to tell publicly anything about the decisions they make. Fans need to realize this and I am challenging those who don't seem to want to admit that simple truth. The Spurs will give reasons that they think will placate fans- whether the truth or not. That again is their choice, but it is my choice whether or not to believe them. My dispute is with those who jump in to defend what the Spurs say as the gospel truth- even when sometimes it isn't. For example, as I pointed out, Pop has no problem whatsoever lying through his teeth that the Spurs have no interest in a trade at the trade deadline at the precise moment they are working on a trade of Malik or Brent. Now AGAIN that is his choice to do that and there are reasons they do that- but it still is a lie- no matter how you slice it. So, I know from history to take what they say with a grain of salt.


and all nba teams do not tell the fans the whole scoop and they do not need to....

they do not owe spur fans the real reasons they do
You probably think you are disaggreeing with me- but you are actually making my point. ALL teams do not tell the fans the truth about everything. I just get tired of people acting like the Spurs do.



You think that only Spurs fans were polled? (And what's with the contant use of quotation marks?) And just how much power to you think the Spurs PR department has?
I already said the Spurs have a great PR department--better than other teams have. Also, winning impacts polls like these alot- as I am sure the year both David and Sean got hurt and Pop fired Bob Hill that the Spurs would not have ranked too high with fans.

I guess people just don't want to hear any real discussion on the decisions made by the Spurs and expect everyone to follow along like sheep. I have never been a sheep in my life and I will never be. I examine EVERYTHING I read and hear and look to find the truth within it. I examine people's motives for why they do and say what they do and say and know that usually the truth is somewhere hidden. I have no problem with people questioning what I say and discussing it with me nor with their questioning my motives or my truths. I just hope they do the same with the Spurs.

I thought that discourse was the whole point of being here. I apparently was wrong.

[FromWayDowntown]

I guess people just don't want to hear any real discussion on the decisions made by the Spurs and expect everyone to follow along like sheep. I have never been a sheep in my life and I will never be. I examine EVERYTHING I read and hear and look to find the truth within it. I examine people's motives for why they do and say what they do and say and know that usually the truth is somewhere hidden. I have no problem with people questioning what I say and discussing it with me nor with their questioning my motives or my truths. I just hope they do the same with the Spurs.

Ah! The "you people can't handle the truth and don't really want to discuss it" card. I've been waiting for that one.

Sarcasm aside, it would be far easier to engage in discourse with you if you were a bit less ambiguous about the accusations you're making. I mean, it's fine that you disagree with the perception of Spurs management. But when asked by others in this forum to give a concrete example, in this case concerning Scola, what do those of us who aren't privy to anything other than your conclusion get? We get vague and, eventually defensive, answers that don't shed any light whatsoever on anything other than the fact that you're disgrunted.

It's a bit like John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election -- I keep hearing that there's all this bad stuff, and keep hearing that I should see the light and understand that what's being done is contrary to what I've been told. But when push comes to shove, you offer nothing other than your increasingly tiresome laments, citing only sources that you trust.

Honestly, I can't imagine a situtation in which I'd be swayed to agree with many, if any, of the points you make here. But frankly, I'd be far more willing to actually engage you if you were a bit less evasive in offering substantiation to your insider takes. Without that sort of substantiation, it sounds a whole lot more like whining than objective criticism. And, I think in a self-regulating forum like this one, whining is frequently ferreted out as such and blasted for being that; objective cricitism, by contrast, usually draws reasoned discussion.

[spurschick]

I guess people just don't want to hear any real discussion on the decisions made by the Spurs and expect everyone to follow along like sheep.

Are you reading the same forum the rest of us are? People question the Spurs decisions all the time! This forum is full of armchair GMs and head coaches.

FromWayDowntown has made the point very eloquently, so I'll just leave it at that.