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PixelPusher
08-27-2006, 02:22 PM
Experts warn U.S. is coming apart at the seams (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003226851_fragile26.html)

By Chuck McCutcheon

Newhouse News Service

WASHINGTON — A pipeline shuts down in Alaska. Equipment failures disrupt air travel in Los Angeles. Electricity runs short at a spy agency in Maryland.

None of these recent events resulted from a natural disaster or terrorist attack, but they may as well have, some homeland security experts say. They worry that too little attention is paid to how fast the country's basic operating systems are deteriorating.

"When I see events like these, I become concerned that we've lost focus on the core operational functionality of the nation's infrastructure and are becoming a fragile nation, which is just as bad — if not worse — as being an insecure nation," said Christian Beckner, a Washington analyst who runs the respected Web site Homeland Security Watch (www.christianbeckner.com).

The American Society of Civil Engineers last year graded the nation "D" for its overall infrastructure conditions, estimating that it would take $1.6 trillion over five years to fix the problem.

"I thought [Hurricane] Katrina was a hell of a wake-up call, but people are missing the alarm," said Casey Dinges, the society's managing director of external affairs.

British oil company BP announced this month that severe corrosion would close its Alaska pipelines for extensive repairs. Analysts say this may sideline some 200,000 barrels a day of production for several months.

Then an instrument landing system that guides arriving planes onto a runway at Los Angeles International Airport failed for the second time in a week, delaying flights.

Those incidents followed reports that the National Security Agency (NSA), the intelligence world's electronic eavesdropping arm, is consuming so much electricity at its headquarters outside Washington that it is in danger of exceeding its power supply.

"If a terrorist group were able to knock the NSA offline, or disrupt one of the nation's busiest airports, or shut down the most important oil pipeline in the nation, the impact would be perceived as devastating," Beckner said. "And yet we've essentially let these things happen — or almost happen — to ourselves."

The Commission on Public Infrastructure at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank, said in a recent report that facilities are deteriorating "at an alarming rate."

It noted that half the 257 locks operated by the Army Corps of Engineers on inland waterways are functionally obsolete, more than one-quarter of the nation's bridges are structurally deficient or obsolete, and $11 billion is needed annually to replace aging drinking-water facilities.

President Bush, asked about the problem during a public question-and-answer session in an April visit to Irvine, Calif., cited last year's enactment of a comprehensive law reauthorizing highway, transit and road-safety programs.

"Infrastructure is always a difficult issue," Bush acknowledged. "It's a federal responsibility and a state and local responsibility. And I, frankly, feel like we've upheld our responsibility at the federal level with the highway bill."(now that's leadership for ya!)

But experts say the law is riddled with some 5,000 "earmarks" for projects sought by members of Congress that do nothing to systematically address the problem.

"There's a growing understanding that these programs are at best inefficient and at worst corrupt," said Everett Ehrlich, executive director of the CSIS public infrastructure commission.

Ehrlich and others cite several reasons for the lack of action:

• The political system is geared to reacting to crises instead of averting them.

• Some politicians don't see infrastructure as a federal responsibility.

• And many problems are out of sight and — for the public — out of mind.

"You see bridges and roads and potholes, but so much else is hidden and taken for granted," said Dinges of the Society of Civil Engineers. "As a result, people just don't get stirred up and alarmed."

But a few politicians are starting to notice. In March, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., joined Sens. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, and Tom Carper, D-Del., in sponsoring a bill to set up a national commission to assess infrastructure needs.

That same month, the CSIS infrastructure commission issued a set of principles calling for increased spending, investments in new technologies and partnerships with business. Among those signing the report were Sens. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., and Chris Dodd, D-Conn.

"Infrastructure deficiencies will further erode our global competitiveness, but with the federal budget so committed to mandatory spending, it's unclear how we are going to deal with this challenge as we fall further and further behind in addressing these problems," Hagel said in a speech last year. "We need to think creatively."

Zunni
08-27-2006, 03:42 PM
"Taxes are evil" = crumbling infrastructure. As the old adage says, you get what you pay for.

sabar
08-28-2006, 12:07 AM
Nice solution, "yeah, we did our job, let state gov't handle it". We can't even pay for education at the state level, let alone fix billions of dollars of infrastructure.

RandomGuy
08-28-2006, 03:28 PM
"Taxes are evil" = crumbling infrastructure. As the old adage says, you get what you pay for.

Them gov'mint people ain't tekin' MAH money ter build bridges for someone else!!

Sec24Row7
08-28-2006, 04:42 PM
ROFL if US infrastructure gets a D... then who gets an A?

lol...

Yonivore
08-28-2006, 04:52 PM
ROFL if US infrastructure gets a D... then who gets an A?

lol...
That was going to be my question.

Yonivore
08-28-2006, 04:54 PM
"If a terrorist group were able to knock the NSA offline,..."
There they go calling Democrats terrorists again.

nkdlunch
08-28-2006, 05:38 PM
like I said before. If you have incompetence at the top (Bush) you will see incompetence at the lowest levels. Katrina was an example that inmpetence is contagious.

Nbadan
08-28-2006, 05:46 PM
ROFL if US infrastructure gets a D... then who gets an A?

lol...

The U.A.E., with our money.

ChumpDumper
08-28-2006, 05:50 PM
Hey, they did give us an "incomplete" for security, whatever that means.

RandomGuy
08-29-2006, 07:51 AM
ROFL if US infrastructure gets a D... then who gets an A?

lol...

Does it matter who gets an A?

If everybody in one of my classes does a shitty job on a test, then we all deserve the bad grade.

No one is entitled to an A.

One should worry doing what is needed to earn a good grade, and not about who is earning a good grade.

Extra Stout
08-29-2006, 08:21 AM
Does it matter who gets an A?

If everybody in one of my classes does a shitty job on a test, then we all deserve the bad grade.

No one is entitled to an A.

One should worry doing what is needed to earn a good grade, and not about who is earning a good grade.
One should first evaluate the validity and objectivity of the grading scale before one worries about doing well on said scale.

Sec24Row7, I think, does display considerable ignorance in mocking the idea that U.S. infrastructure is substandard. Compared to Third World nations, the U.S. is doing OK. Compared to other industrialized nations, we lag quite significantly.

But this is a choice made by the American people. We will not accept the level of taxation that would be required to maintain a sound infrastructure. We would rather leave it to private industry to handle it. And when there is money available for public projects, Americans are strictly provincial. That is why it all gets wasted on pork projects that do nothing for the nation as a whole. If pork didn't get Congressmen re-elected, they wouldn't do it.

Faced with these realities, governments increasingly turn to user-fee driven infrastructure projects (we complain about the user fees, too... basically we want all this stuff for free).

There are instances where we should be outraged at the breach of public trust by our elected officials. This is not one of them.

RandomGuy
08-29-2006, 11:49 AM
One should first evaluate the validity and objectivity of the grading scale before one worries about doing well on said scale.

Sec24Row7, I think, does display considerable ignorance in mocking the idea that U.S. infrastructure is substandard. Compared to Third World nations, the U.S. is doing OK. Compared to other industrialized nations, we lag quite significantly.

But this is a choice made by the American people. We will not accept the level of taxation that would be required to maintain a sound infrastructure. We would rather leave it to private industry to handle it. And when there is money available for public projects, Americans are strictly provincial. That is why it all gets wasted on pork projects that do nothing for the nation as a whole. If pork didn't get Congressmen re-elected, they wouldn't do it.

Faced with these realities, governments increasingly turn to user-fee driven infrastructure projects (we complain about the user fees, too... basically we want all this stuff for free).

There are instances where we should be outraged at the breach of public trust by our elected officials. This is not one of them.

Yup. The US is guilty of a lot of short-sightness in so many areas.

boutons_
08-29-2006, 12:25 PM
Certainly the US sunbelt infrastructure that has "baby boomed" since WWII is still fairly young compared to snow/rust belt cities like NYC, Boston, Chicago, Philadephia.

When that sunbelt infrastructure starts falling apart and the maintenance bills start their own booming, then we'll see how the US handles those state/federal/county/municipal tax bills.