Scola opinion

[raspsa]

Has Scola's performance to-date changed your opinion of him, positively or negatively, as a potential Spurs player?

[Solid D]

Don't ask Oscar de la because he doesn't know what it is.

As for me, I'd like to see how Luis plays against Team USA this time. He's done very well in the past, so I think he is an NBA player. Even if Luis had no buy-out, I'm not sure how well he would fit into Pop's plans. I personally think he would play pretty well off the bench for the Spurs. He's a very active player and that never hurts a player's chances with any team.

[Bruno]

negatively.
The game against France was the most revelant (so far) to see what Scola will do in nba and he has played poorly.

[Mr. Body]

Scola's a world class talent whose game may not translate fully into the NBA, but the Spurs' line of him not fitting in next to Duncan, IMO, was a bunch of hot air. If he was cheaper, he'd be a Spur. Also, there's likely too much sourness between the sides for something to happen. He'll be doing well for some other NBA team before long.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

negatively.
The game against France was the most revelant (so far) to see what Scola will do in nba and he has played poorly.
Personally I don't think you can accurately judge Scola by FIBA play, even if it is against the US team. Plus, Nocioni, Oberto and Hermann are playing out of their minds, so Scola hasn't really been needed this tournament. I will say this, Scola is ten times more athletic than Oberto and we all know the NBA is all about athletism. Plus his court vision is excellent as well.

Still, I'm not sure if there is room for Scola in this Spurs team.

[Bruno]

I will say this, Scola is ten times more athletic than Oberto and we all know the NBA is all about athletism.

The problem is that he has struggled in the game were he has faced players with nba athletiscm (Boris Diaw and Florent Pietrus).
Other games were either against scrubs (Libanon, Venezuela, nigeria, NZ) or against teams with a typical euro PF (Nikolic with Serbia and Peker/Golum... against Turkey) and it's not a surprise when Scola, who is the best euro PF, plays well against them.

I like Scola and think that he can help Spurs but I haven't seen something in this tournament that has shown that he will be able to play well in nba.

[ChumpDumper]

Dude can't even keep his teeth in his mouth.

[cheguevara]

negatively.
The game against France was the most revelant (so far) to see what Scola will do in nba and he has played poorly.

what the hell? why is playing 1 game vs. France similar to playing in the NBA???

we saw him dunk his way to the gold vs. Team USA in the olympics. there's no doubt he can play vs. athletic teams.

[Bruno]

what the hell? why is playing 1 game vs. France similar to playing in the NBA???

we saw him dunk his way to the gold vs. Team USA in the olympics. there's no doubt he can play vs. athletic teams.

What the hell ????
Read before posting.

First, I've never said that it was similar. Please, re-read my post.
Second, this thread is about : "how Scola recent plays have changed your POV about him ?". I know what he has done in the past with Argentina or TAU. Please, re-read the first post.

[cheguevara]

First, I've never said that it was similar.

So it's not similar then? then it's irrelevant how Scola performed vs. France. you are contradicting yourself then



Second, this thread is about : "how Scola recent plays have changed your POV about him ?". I know what he has done in the past with Argentina or TAU. Please, re-read the first post.

no this thread is about "Scola's performance to-date " which includes performances in the past, Tau, olympics included. re-read the first post.

[Bruno]

So it's not similar then?
then it's irrelevant how Scola performed vs. France. you are contradicting yourself then

You think that I'm contradicting myself because you don't understand the difference between relevant and similar.
Even if it's not nba, Scola's performance against players with nba athletism (like Diaw or Pietrus) is way more relevant to what he will do in nba than a game against the typical non-athletic euro PF.



no this thread is about "Scola's performance to-date " which includes performances in the past, Tau, olympics included. re-read the first post.

No, re-read the first post.
"changed your opinion of him" prove that it's not all the past because you can't have an opinion on a player without considering any performance.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

You think that I'm contradicting myself because you don't understand the difference between relevant and similar.
Even if it's not nba, Scola's performance against players with nba athletism (like Diaw or Pietrus) is way more relevant to what he will do in nba than a game against the typical non-athletic euro PF.



No, re-read the first post.
"changed your opinion of him" prove that it's not all the past because you can't have an opinion on a player without considering any performance.
I see, so you're basing your opinion on one game?

[Kori Ellis]

Bruno's point is very valid.

In the game where he played against an athletic frontcourt, he struggled. You guys can say "it's just one game" all you want, but that's the only game of that type that he has to compare it to so far in this tournament. If he plays the US and struggles again, then that will further validate Bruno's stance. If he doesn't struggle against the US, then you can say the France game was just a bad game.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Bruno's point is very valid.

In the game where he played against an athletic frontcourt, he struggled. You guys can say "it's just one game" all you want, but that's the only game of that type that he has to compare it to so far. If he plays the US and struggles again, then that will further validate Bruno's stance. If he doesn't struggle against the US, then you can say the France game was just a bad game.
its not that its not valid Kori, its that he's jumping to conclusions after one game, and that is BS. If he struggles against the US, (which lets face it, who the hell wouldn't??) it will just prove that he is not as good as some of the best players the US can muster, and thats it. Seriously, you cannot make up your mind about how a player will perform in the NBA by how he plays in FIBA tournaments.

[Bruno]

I see, so you're basing your opinion on one game?

Did, I say that ? No.


I like Scola and think that he can help Spurs but I haven't seen something in this tournament that has shown that he will be able to play well in nba.

To sum-up, my Scola love meter was 8/10 before the tournament and it's now 7/10.
I don't base my opinion on one game but each game has an influence on it.

[cheguevara]

yup that game vs. France alone has NO IMPACT on my opinion on Scola.

Maybe his whole performance as a whole in the tournament could affect my overall opinion on Scola. But if someone changes their mind basing it on only 1 game, no matter who he played, is ridiculous.

[Kori Ellis]

its not that its not valid Kori, its that he's jumping to conclusions after one game, and that is BS. If he struggles against the US, (which lets face it, who the hell wouldn't??) it will just prove that he is not as good as some of the best players the US can muster, and thats it. Seriously, you cannot make up your mind about how a player will perform in the NBA by how he plays in FIBA tournaments.

But it will give you a serious idea if the player is struggling keeping up with NBA athletes, then he would most likely always struggle keeping up with NBA athletes.

Anyway, this tournament hasn't changed my mind about Scola. I've always thought that he wouldn't be in the NBA and I still think that. He's a great forward for Europe. I don't think he's athletic enough to be that good in the NBA. If he would take a $1-2M a year, I wouldn't mind seeing him try but honestly I'm kind of tired of the Scola subject. Just like I'm sure he's tired of the Spurs subject :lol

[MaNuMaNiAc]

But it will give you a serious idea if the player is struggling keeping up with NBA athletes, then he would most likely always struggle keeping up with NBA athletes.

Anyway, this tournament hasn't changed my mind about Scola. I've always thought that he wouldn't be in the NBA and I still think that. He's a great forward for Europe. I don't think he's athletic enough to be that good in the NBA. If he would take a $1-2M a year, I wouldn't mind seeing him try but honestly I'm kind of tired of the Scola subject. Just like I'm sure he's tired of the Spurs subject :lol
I think that if the Spurs manage to find a good deal out there, they will trade his rights and hopefully he can play for an NBA team that could put him to good use. I think he can play in the NBA

[ALVAREZ6]

I think Scola would do a lot better in the NBA than Herrmann will, and Oberto.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Oberto is gonna be the best Argentinean player next to Manu and maybe Nocioni.

[TDMVPDPOY]

so far in this tourney, scola and javtokas has had poor performances...:(:( they didnt live up to the hype they are in euro

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Oberto is gonna be the best Argentinean player next to Manu and maybe Nocioni.

!?

I thought you were calling Oberto for most improved as a joke. A guy that plodding is not gonna make great leaps in the NBA, although it makes you wonder why Pop and co brought him over... he must have something more to offer.

As for Scola - maybe Horry's replacement after this season (Bonner's becomes the big 3pt specialist)?

Hey, why don't we bring Scola over, trade for Hermann and start the Argentine National team with Parker! Duncan can come off the bench... :spin

[xamila rey]

Oberto is gonna be the best Argentinean player next to Manu and maybe Nocioni.

i think Nocioni has shown already that is one of the best Argentinian players,
he played awesome against Turky ( just to mention one game)

[Obstructed_View]

He's a good player, but I won't argue if the team thinks he's not worth his buyout.

[smeagol]

So he had a so-so game (10 and 6) against France and that's enough to impact your whole opinion of Scola?

If I recall correctly, he had a pretty good semi-finals game in Athens against an entire front court of NBA stars.

One game (or two in this case) is not enough to judge Scola.

[Kori Ellis]

So he had a so-so game (10 and 6) against France and that's enough to impact your whole opinion of Scola?


Read the whole thread.


To sum-up, my Scola love meter was 8/10 before the tournament and it's now 7/10.
I don't base my opinion on one game but each game has an influence on it.

[WalterBenitez]

Don't ask Oscar de la because he doesn't know what it is.

As for me, I'd like to see how Luis plays against Team USA this time. He's done very well in the past, so I think he is an NBA player. Even if Luis had no buy-out, I'm not sure how well he would fit into Pop's plans. I personally think he would play pretty well off the bench for the Spurs. He's a very active player and that never hurts a player's chances with any team.

Me too, but you saw those guys in red from SPA? those babies are f...g good, I'm so concern about them :cry

[NZ Spurs]

re: NZ Vs Argentina, Oberto put up huge numbers but Scola still looked the better player. Just my opinion.

[smeagol]

Read the whole thread.
I read the whole thread. Actually, Bruno's first post says (referring the impact the ARG vs FRA game made in his opinion of Scola):


negatively. The game against France was the most revelant (so far) to see what Scola will do in nba and he has played poorly.

Therefore, my question to him:


So he had a so-so game (10 and 6) against France and that's enough to impact your whole opinion of Scola?

is valid. One freaking game is enough to negatively affect his opinion about a guy who has been playing for 10 years?

He played twice against the US (in 2002 and 2004), playing pretty well in both games, and somehow this game against France is the litmus test of how Scola will do in the NBA?

I don't agree.

[diego]

actually scola only played so-so against the US in 04. but again, when scola gets 10 and 6 we call it so-so, javotkas would be lucky to average that, be it in 06, 04, 02...

re: Scola vs France, i think the bigger disclaimer with that game was that it was the first in the tourney. I'm sure bruno would agree that most french players had better games than that one (and the US team had better games than against PR) and for scola its the same, the first game there is still jet lag, new hotel, etc etc etc.

Still i dont think Scola has an athleticism problem, not from this tournament or others before. maybe he is undersized to go against the NBA giants (although there arent that many left), maybe there are contract issues, but i dont think athleticism, skill, or work ethic are keeping him out of the NBA.

[Bruno]

One freaking game is enough to negatively affect his opinion about a guy who has been playing for 10 years?

I'm not a computer or a mavs fan, I have more than two opinions that are "he sucks" and "he rocks". So each game can change my opinion on a player. Of course, a game can't change my whole opinion and the effect of a single game on my opinion about a player depends on :
- The number of games played by this player. Scola has maybe played a lot of years at a very high level in europe but he hasn't faced a lot of players with nba athletism and level. I give my opinion about Scola and his future in nba not about Scola euro career.
- The number of games I've watched of him. I know that it has no link with a player's value but I give my opinion not a fact. BTW, I've watched only between 10 and 20 games with Scola.
- How meaningfull this game is : friendly game, level of the opponent...

Before this tournament my opinion on Scola in nba was :
Scola will be an average defender and rebounder. He won't be a defensive and rebounding liability because he plays with heart, he is smart and he is not that unathletic.
Scola offense will be quite good in nba. His post offense will suffer a little but he is not only a post player : he can hit the midrange jumper and plays very well the pick and roll.

After the game against France, my opinion has changed about his offense and it's not only based on stats but on what I've seen too.His post offense has suffered way more against athletic players than what I thought and if he can't be a minimum effective in the post, his offense isn't that good because his face to the basket game is limited. To sum up, I'm less optimistic about the translation of his offensive game to nba.
This game has changed my opinion negatively even if my opinion remains positive about him. As said Albert, everything is relative.



He played twice against the US (in 2002 and 2004), playing pretty well in both games, and somehow this game against France is the litmus test of how Scola will do in the NBA?

If I have a good opinion of Scola, it's because of all he has done in the past. The game against France was the most relevant game (nba wise) of the WC, not of all Scola's career.



I don't agree.

Well, it's your right : Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.

[Bruno]

Scola has been disapointing against Spain.
He has been a non-factor in offense, he has been unable to beat a player like Gasol in the post. He has made some defensive mistakes too. The only positive aspect is that he has played with a lot of heart. I start to understand more why Spurs weren't ready to give him a big salary.

[ALVAREZ6]

My opinion of Scola has changed. I liked him a lot in the Olympics, but he really didn't do much in this tournament. I really don't think he would fit in well in the NBA. What a difference 2 years makes. In 04 I'd say that Scola was the 2nd most important player for Argentina behind Manu, but now I think Manu, Nocioni, Sanchez, maybe even Delfino are all more important.

Today he didn't look very confident on offense. Now, I give him props for knocking down two clutch FT's to tie the game, but he would never try to take Gasol or do anything on offense.

[TDMVPDPOY]

My opinion of Scola has changed. I liked him a lot in the Olympics, but he really didn't do much in this tournament. I really don't think he would fit in well in the NBA. What a difference 2 years makes. In 04 I'd say that Scola was the 2nd most important player for Argentina behind Manu, but now I think Manu, Nocioni, Sanchez, maybe even Delfino are all more important.

Today he didn't look very confident on offense. Now, I give him props for knocking down two clutch FT's to tie the game, but he would never try to take Gasol or do anything on offense.

same could be said for javtokas, the both of them havnt live up to the hype they are in europe in this tournament. why all of a sudden they are struggling as compared to athens.

[Nikos]

same could be said for javtokas, the both of them havnt live up to the hype they are in europe in this tournament. why all of a sudden they are struggling as compared to athens.

Just happens. It isn't exactly a long tourment.

[Kori Ellis]

same could be said for javtokas, the both of them havnt live up to the hype they are in europe in this tournament. why all of a sudden they are struggling as compared to athens.

Javtokas was never really hyped up as anything.

Scola is supposed to be the best power forward in Europe.

[Slo spurs fan]

Javtokas was never really hyped up as anything.

Scola is supposed to be the best power forward in Europe.

[Sway]

I was impressed with how Scola played against the USA. He can definitely play in the NBA. I don’t think he would be an all-star but I do think he is starter material. The guy has heart, talent, and is not as unauthentic as people make him out to be.

The one weird thing I noticed about Scola is that he looks taller than his listed height. Either that or the NBA players got favorable measurements on their listed heights. :lol

[Bruno]

Scola has been very good against USA (especially in the first quarter), I wonder now why he has been not that good agianst France and Spain :
- Inconsistent ?
- Lack of motivation ?
- His teammates ?
- weak USA defense ? ...

[Sway]

Scola has been very good against USA (especially in the first quarter), I wonder now why he has been not that good agianst France and Spain :
- Inconsistent ?
- Lack of motivation ?
- His teammates ?
- weak USA defense ? ...

Not sure why but the guy does play well against Team USA. The "he cant play in the NBA" is no longer a valid argument. He has proven otherwise.

[Bruno]

Not sure why but the guy does play well against Team USA. The "he cant play in the NBA" is no longer a valid argument. He has proven otherwise.

I won't say that "he can play in nba" after only one great quarter against USA like I won't say that "he can't play in nba" after only two games against France and Spain.
It doesn't changed that his offense has been very good against athletic players with some good low post moves.

[smeagol]

The guy deserves a shot at the NBA. I hope the Spurs and him can agree on the economics.

[raspsa]

Scola seemed athletic enough.. a smart player with a high basketball IQ, good skills and a competitive spirit can be very effective in the NBA even if he isn't some 7-ft freak that can jump out of the gym. I say we give Scola a chance.

[ALVAREZ6]

We should trade his rights or bring him over, but now. Fuck waiting, we will lose his value as he gets older and just decides to finish his career in Spain. Fuck this bullshit about waiting for international players so long to come over, the Spurs should know their plans for each player they own the rights to, might as well execute them ASAP.

If he can help the team, bring him over, if he won't fit it, then trade his rights for someone/something that will improve the team. Waiting forever won't work.

[angel_luv]

Scola really impressed me with his play in the W.C.

[V-2]

I think Scola's best attribute is toughness. He isn't a starting 5 material NBAwise, he may not even crack the rotation in a deep team as SA, but he's the kind of player who will come up with a great play down the stretch. It may be purely economics after all, the fact that he's not a Spur yet, but when you pay Oberto 1.5M you have to understand that this guy won't settle for anything less than 3M.