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TheTruth
08-30-2006, 08:44 PM
Vince Young: Great college QB, lousy pro prospect
Aug. 29, 2006
By Gregg Doyel
CBS SportsLine.com National Columnist
http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/9626003/2

Vince Young won't make it as an NFL quarterback -- at least, not as a star NFL quarterback. And in time that is how he will be judged.

Was Young worth the No. 3 overall pick of the 2006 draft? Was he a star quarterback?


And the answer will be: of course not.

Unless it's a weak year for prospects, the No. 3 overall pick in any NFL Draft should end up somewhere between the Pro Bowl and the Hall of Fame. If this was a weak year, so be it. Time will tell on the 2006 draft class, just as it will tell on Vince Young. And what it tells on Young, and on the team that picked him, won't be nice.

The Titans got suckered. Suckered by Young's incredible body and athletic ability and highlight reel at Texas. They got suckered so badly, they looked past Young's painfully obvious deficiency: He can't throw the ball downfield.

This being the Titans, you can't be surprised. This is the same team that got suckered by the body, athletic ability and highlight reel of West Virginia cornerback "Pacman" Jones. Despite his obvious character issues, the Titans took Jones with the No. 6 overall pick in the 2005 draft. Jones has been a good player, but he's not going to last in the NFL. A bad character is a bad character, as Jones has consistently shown after 15 months with the Titans.

Hey, it's not Jones' fault. He is what he is. You don't blame the horse for pooping in the kitchen. You blame the idiot who took the horse inside the house.

So it is with Vince Young. It's not his fault he went No. 3 overall in the 2006 draft. Blame the Titans, but don't blame Young when his career falls far short of his draft placement. Young has worked hard and stayed out of trouble, and will continue to do so. He's a high-character leader but not, sad to say, a high-caliber NFL quarterback.

Don't tell me about the 2006 Rose Bowl. Don't tell me what Young did to Southern California. I watched him roll up 467 yards of offense against the Trojans, but what does that have to do with the NFL? If college football had anything to do with the NFL, 1996 Heisman winner and national champion Danny Wuerffel of Florida would be 30,000 yards into his Hall of Fame career instead of doing ... whatever it is he's doing.

Young did to Southern Cal what he did to everyone in college. He ran past slower defenders, ran over smaller defenders and, when he had to, he threw the ball. But he didn't throw the ball like an NFL quarterback. He threw the ball short -- here or there.

Benefited by his supernatural running ability, Young had an open field and gifted receivers working one-on-one against a defense that couldn't afford to give Young's arm as much attention as it gave his legs. Sometimes his receivers took those short passes and turned them into big gains. That's how he threw for 267 yards while running for 200.

What's strange, and what gives me pause, is that the Titans have one of the best offensive minds in football in coordinator Norm Chow. He's the reason BYU was the most explosive team in college football for years. He's the reason North Carolina State was once so promising. He's not the reason USC became the new Miami, but he's on the short list. Chow is for real. He knows offense like "Pacman" Jones knows trouble.

And Chow helped draft Young? That troubles me. Then again ...

Multiple reports have declared that Chow and Titans coach Jeff Fisher preferred USC's Matt Leinart over Young. The guy who wanted Young, Titans GM Floyd Reese, is the same knucklehead who picked Jones in 2005.


So I feel better.

Chow and Fisher probably feel better, too, now that they've acquired veteran mediocrity in Collins. Reports out of Nashville say the Collins signing was a reaction to starter Billy Volek's general inexperience and specific so-so exhibition showings. The Associated Press story went so far as to note that, "The only quarterback not affected by (Collins') signing is Young."

Right.

Look, the Titans signed Collins for a number of reasons. Volek is one. Young is another. Young has been the Titans' backup, but by now Fisher and Chow realize Young can't play if Volek gets hurt. If Collins doesn't beat out Volek, he will be the new backup, regardless of what the depth chart says. Now do you see how this affects Vince Young?

This sort of thing happens in all sports. Great college players from great programs are routinely unable to make the adjustment to professional ball. Record-setting slugger Jeff Ledbetter of Florida State couldn't hit with a wooden bat. National Player of the Year Ed O'Bannon of UCLA wasn't skilled enough for the NBA. And now comes Vince Young of Texas, who can't throw the ball downfield well enough to star in the NFL.

Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.

I liked Leaf.

slayermin
08-30-2006, 09:01 PM
Basically the point of the article is that Vince Young will crap in your kitchen?

mookie2001
08-30-2006, 09:10 PM
for one i think since volek has been the starter from day 1, them signing collins was indicative of how bad volek sucks...I do see his point though, the great qbs never really go in the top 3, but vince can throw the ball downfield, if anything he cant make the reads or will make his mistakes over the middle scrambling, trying to do too much, he can make every nfl throw though, IF vince fails, it will be because he gets hurt, cant hold on to the ball, is physicaly unable to perform, breaks both his kneed, or gets badly injured. and shit -give him a season or two of playing time before yall call him a bust

Burn531
08-30-2006, 09:48 PM
I didn't read the entire article but how can this guy say this about Young after 3 preseason games with a team that isn't very good?

slayermin
08-30-2006, 10:38 PM
He admitted that he liked Ryan Leaf so I don't know what he is trying to say.

IceColdBrewski
08-30-2006, 10:40 PM
Despite the smack I've talked about Young in the past, I do think he'll be a decent NFL QB. Never a great one. But it will take a lot of work to get there. It all depends on his resolve at this point. Time to sink or swim.

stretch
08-30-2006, 11:15 PM
Vince Young: Great college QB, lousy pro prospect
Aug. 29, 2006
By Gregg Doyel
CBS SportsLine.com National Columnist
http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/9626003/2

Vince Young won't make it as an NFL quarterback -- at least, not as a star NFL quarterback. And in time that is how he will be judged.

Was Young worth the No. 3 overall pick of the 2006 draft? Was he a star quarterback?


And the answer will be: of course not.

Unless it's a weak year for prospects, the No. 3 overall pick in any NFL Draft should end up somewhere between the Pro Bowl and the Hall of Fame. If this was a weak year, so be it. Time will tell on the 2006 draft class, just as it will tell on Vince Young. And what it tells on Young, and on the team that picked him, won't be nice.

The Titans got suckered. Suckered by Young's incredible body and athletic ability and highlight reel at Texas. They got suckered so badly, they looked past Young's painfully obvious deficiency: He can't throw the ball downfield.

This being the Titans, you can't be surprised. This is the same team that got suckered by the body, athletic ability and highlight reel of West Virginia cornerback "Pacman" Jones. Despite his obvious character issues, the Titans took Jones with the No. 6 overall pick in the 2005 draft. Jones has been a good player, but he's not going to last in the NFL. A bad character is a bad character, as Jones has consistently shown after 15 months with the Titans.

Hey, it's not Jones' fault. He is what he is. You don't blame the horse for pooping in the kitchen. You blame the idiot who took the horse inside the house.

So it is with Vince Young. It's not his fault he went No. 3 overall in the 2006 draft. Blame the Titans, but don't blame Young when his career falls far short of his draft placement. Young has worked hard and stayed out of trouble, and will continue to do so. He's a high-character leader but not, sad to say, a high-caliber NFL quarterback.

Don't tell me about the 2006 Rose Bowl. Don't tell me what Young did to Southern California. I watched him roll up 467 yards of offense against the Trojans, but what does that have to do with the NFL? If college football had anything to do with the NFL, 1996 Heisman winner and national champion Danny Wuerffel of Florida would be 30,000 yards into his Hall of Fame career instead of doing ... whatever it is he's doing.

Young did to Southern Cal what he did to everyone in college. He ran past slower defenders, ran over smaller defenders and, when he had to, he threw the ball. But he didn't throw the ball like an NFL quarterback. He threw the ball short -- here or there.

Benefited by his supernatural running ability, Young had an open field and gifted receivers working one-on-one against a defense that couldn't afford to give Young's arm as much attention as it gave his legs. Sometimes his receivers took those short passes and turned them into big gains. That's how he threw for 267 yards while running for 200.

What's strange, and what gives me pause, is that the Titans have one of the best offensive minds in football in coordinator Norm Chow. He's the reason BYU was the most explosive team in college football for years. He's the reason North Carolina State was once so promising. He's not the reason USC became the new Miami, but he's on the short list. Chow is for real. He knows offense like "Pacman" Jones knows trouble.

And Chow helped draft Young? That troubles me. Then again ...

Multiple reports have declared that Chow and Titans coach Jeff Fisher preferred USC's Matt Leinart over Young. The guy who wanted Young, Titans GM Floyd Reese, is the same knucklehead who picked Jones in 2005.


So I feel better.

Chow and Fisher probably feel better, too, now that they've acquired veteran mediocrity in Collins. Reports out of Nashville say the Collins signing was a reaction to starter Billy Volek's general inexperience and specific so-so exhibition showings. The Associated Press story went so far as to note that, "The only quarterback not affected by (Collins') signing is Young."

Right.

Look, the Titans signed Collins for a number of reasons. Volek is one. Young is another. Young has been the Titans' backup, but by now Fisher and Chow realize Young can't play if Volek gets hurt. If Collins doesn't beat out Volek, he will be the new backup, regardless of what the depth chart says. Now do you see how this affects Vince Young?

This sort of thing happens in all sports. Great college players from great programs are routinely unable to make the adjustment to professional ball. Record-setting slugger Jeff Ledbetter of Florida State couldn't hit with a wooden bat. National Player of the Year Ed O'Bannon of UCLA wasn't skilled enough for the NBA. And now comes Vince Young of Texas, who can't throw the ball downfield well enough to star in the NFL.

Argue this all you want, but I haven't felt this strongly about a quarterback since 1998, when the top two choices in the draft were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf.

I liked Leaf.

This guy is a dumbass.

johngateswhiteley
08-31-2006, 01:28 AM
I didn't read the entire article but how can this guy say this about Young after 3 preseason games with a team that isn't very good?

...it is not really based upon the preseason games, though he has not looked good in them. it is merely an observation from college that has carried into the preseason. anyway, i am not a psychic, and despite my claims to know it all, lol. i would bet a large sum, as i would have before young got drafted, that he will be a bust in the nfl.

great college qb...just does not matter sometimes.

BeerIsGood!
08-31-2006, 02:50 AM
He admitted that he liked Ryan Leaf so I don't know what he is trying to say.
The is the kind of stuff that gets written when the start of the season is still a few days away. Nothing to write, nothing to say. The Ryan Leaf statement is just his out in the, cough, rare (wink) event that he is full of shit and eventually proven wrong. The truth is that at this point it is not known how good VY will be in the NFL. After watching him as a freshman at UT I never would have imagined that he would do what he did in college. Never.

BeerIsGood!
08-31-2006, 03:03 AM
The media tends to love and hate based on stupid things. Just look at Rivers in SD. One good game and he's the next Montana. Then another game comes and he can't hang on to the football long enough to even execute a hand-off. These football writers know as little as you or I about what will happen in football, but yet they are still paid good money to write something down that will get attention. I guess this article was meant to get attention.

sa_butta
08-31-2006, 08:39 AM
This article is ridiculous, give the kid some time to develop as an NFL QB. Not every good QB had a breakout rookie season.

2centsworth
08-31-2006, 01:13 PM
...it is not really based upon the preseason games, though he has not looked good in them.

He's done very well in the preseason all things considered.

LB7
08-31-2006, 04:50 PM
Vince Young Progress - DMN (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/083106dnspogosselin.3240616.html)
That guy who wrote the first article is an idiot. Here is some actual news from Titans camp.