Argentina vs Spain

[xamila rey]

i just opening a new thread because i expect this game to be one of the most exciting to watch.i personally believe that Argentina will make the difference with their experience in how to win close games, but i have not doubt that it will be a very tough one.

in percentage i will say Argentina- Spain 52-48

what do u think it will happen?

GO ARGENTINA GO!!! :cheer

[Solid D]

I think that guess of the final score is too low. If someone can stop Navarro, the Argentines win by 10. Otherwise, the game can go either way.

[xamila rey]

I think that guess of the final score is too low. If someone can stop Navarro, the Argentines win by 10. Otherwise, the game can go either way.

i talked about percentage
i think the game will finish in the 80's because of both teams defense.

[PaceMonster]

ill say Spain takes this...Navarro's chucks go in somehow and Gasol gets it done inside....Argentina wins if Navarro hits 1 three maximun

[dirk4mvp]

Spain FTW!

[mavsfan1000]

I'm going with Spain also. Gasol is a beast in the international game.

[Solid D]

i talked about percentage
i think the game will finish in the 80's because of both teams defense.

Somehow, I must have read your comments incorrectly. I'm sorry about that. 170 points, or so, sounds about right.

[xamila rey]

thats alright i think my english is not that good....

[Spurologist]

thats alright i think my english is not that good....

Your English is fine.

[SequSpur]

so when, where, time and tv is this game on?

[Rynospursfan]

This should be a great game, I too would give Spain the slight edge. However it would be nice if both USA and Argentina won.

[xamila rey]

so when, where, time and tv is this game on?


Friday 5:30 am,
espn2 (thats what they say)
but it is semifinals so i m sure it will be televised

[Duncanoypi]

Im for Argentina...Manu will score 25+ points to lead them...

[SuperManu!!!]

Spain will play zone defense, Manu and Nocioni will start hitting some good open threes and spain will be forced to play man to man defense, causing them to loose!

[dav4463]

I like Argentina's chances. I think they played a bit flat in their last game and are ready to make a run at a championship.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Regardless of the outcome, I hope it's a good game.

[Quasar]

Hope Argentina will win but not sure how that will happen.

They were soundly beaten by Spain during the match they played in Singapore.

Rebounds, effort & hustle, defensive cohesiveness, team offense... Spain was superior in every single facet.

[carina_gino20]

it would be scary once navarro starts chucking those threes. in these two teams last matchup, Argentina's inability to convert shots and their weak interior D spelled their failure. i do hope they finally take a win over Spain especially at such a crucial game.

[Kori Ellis]

Spain is favored by 3

[BeerIsGood!]

Since my heritage is from Spain and I have relatives there I will be pulling for them to win it. I love Manu and the Argie game, but I can't go against my people :spin

GO SPAIN!!

[ALVAREZ6]

Argentina will win.

[GrandeDavid]

First of all, did I hear or read correctly that Spain has rolled off nine freaking games over Argentina!? How the hell can that happen!? Damn! Anyway, I have a feeling that Argentina will pull it off, which I really hope happens for the sake of my guys Manu and Fabri. Not to mention Alvarez and our other homiez from Argentina in tha house.

Go Argentina!

[austinfan]

Argentina's due for a win. Come on Manu!

[Martin R]

I think Argentina will win, just because we have a winner like Manu.

[WalterBenitez]

Regardless of the outcome, I hope it's a good game.

:oops I don't care of the outcome I want ARG defeat those reds :drunk

[WalterBenitez]

First of all, did I hear or read correctly that Spain has rolled off nine freaking games over Argentina!? How the hell can that happen!? Damn! Anyway, I have a feeling that Argentina will pull it off, which I really hope happens for the sake of my guys Manu and Fabri. Not to mention Alvarez and our other homiez from Argentina in tha house.

Go Argentina!

I know where I am going, but ... SPA has many good sportpeople, Nadal (Tennis is one of my favorites), but in team's sport like soccer and BBall they used to have really great teams, but ... for some reasons ... they don't reach finals :D

So, this is the best NT that SPA have had, anyway the mental factor is still there, SPA was up to now the best TEAM even better than ARG, not the most skilled (USA is obvious choice in that field), but ... ARG is ARG, ... so

GO ARGENTINA GO ... :drunk

[Bruno]

I like the Argentinian team more than the Spanish team but I will root for Spain because if an european country wins the WC, it will help France to get the qualification for olympics games.
So Go Spain and Go Greece.

[cheguevara]

Manu won't let Argentina lose.

he will spill his blood on the court and Argentina will somehow win in triple OT

(knock on wood that he doesnt get injured)

[Streakyshooter08]

Well it is gonna be a heck of a game. Both teams played very well throughout the tournament. Will be fun to watch... I gotta go with Argentina but Spain will probably give themselfs a chance to win.

[cheguevara]

This will be a different story... Very different.
by Manu

Spain, tomorrow's rival in a semifinal, is a great team. They really know how to utilize their individual talents to help the team. It's also a very powerful offensive team, but they also give a lot of effort to have the best defenses in the Worlds Cup. They have a legitimate superstar in Paul Gasol bein 2.15 meters tall and very agile in the paint. But Spain also posseses quality players in all positions.

Us not being able to beat them ever makes us know that for Argentina, this is a very complicated rival, but we also beleive that its possible to beat them if we play at a very high level. When we met in the past, we were not the same team we are now, we were just starting the training and in the middle of a tiring trip; but them, they had already 5 games of training in their country. So tomorrow will be a different story... Let's hope very different. What has happened in the past with Spain can be useful but also damaging for us at the same time. Depends how we look at it.

About the keys to victory, among some, I think it will be very important to not commit least errors as possible, because the spanish know how to take advantage of that. 3 or 4 mistakes could mean many points against us, hard to get back. We have to play an even better defense than agains Turkey, have a great and inspired night in offense as well as determination and aggresiveness, trying to be in the game until the last quarter, when then, it will get more complicated for them. We'll see how it turns out.

About Walter's signing with Charlotte, I am very happy for him and hope he enjoys this experience. When he asks us about this, us four, Fabricio, Chapu, Carlos and I, we tell him all he wants. It's not easy to adapt and that's why we will be there for him always.

Finally, I would like to note that I thinks its very important that we were able to reach for 3rd time in a row a semifinals in Worlds or Olympics. It is not easy to accomplish this... Actually, no other team was able to do this in this period and its something that our group values a lot. We know that many people take this for granted, logical, or natural but it is nothing easy and it demans so much work and effort to maintain in the top. Also we have to remember how much it would cost us to reach these instances years ago and we were never able to do it. We now hope to take a few more steps. Luckily yesterday we rested and we are all ok, 10 points, and with much hunger to win.

-Manu

[Rapper]

The Argentina is the best team in the world

USA???

Come on!!!

I don;t like james and wade!!!!!

[Ariel]

They were soundly beaten by Spain during the match they played in Singapore.

Rebounds, effort & hustle, defensive cohesiveness, team offense... Spain was superior in every single facet.
Yes, in those friendly games, they were. But, Argentina also lost to Serbia by 20 in that tournament, and then we beat them at the WC even when we were playing for nothing and their ass was on the line. Also, Argentina lost to Spain in the qualifying stage in Athens... but we also lost to Italy and then trashed them in the final game. The point is, winning teams play their best when it matters. Not to say they're purposefully tanking games or anything, but probably there isn't that motivational factor that only decisive stages provide, and they needed some time to regain the smooth team work that served as foundation for Argentina's success.

Don't get me wrong, I think Spain has a magnificent team, I like them a lot. But if they're thinking some random friendly or ancient history is more telling than actual accomplishments and character, well, they'll find themselves wondering what happened, while watching the final from the comfort of their hotel rooms... again... God willing. ;)

[Texas_Ranger]

Yust two words for Spain fans: Goodbye Pau!

[BeerIsGood!]

Manu won't let Argentina lose.

he will spill his blood on the court and Argentina will somehow win in triple OT

(knock on wood that he doesnt get injured)
Just like he didn't let the Spurs lose. Oh, wait - he did.

[xamila rey]

Just like he didn't let the Spurs lose. Oh, wait - he did.

thats an old story, get over it,
overall Manu has helped to win a lot of games

[SirChaz]

Argentina is the best team until someone beats them.

Should be a great game. I have Argentina winning it but Spain is very tough.

So far I am right on with my finals brackets.
I think it finishes like this.

1 USA
2 ARG
3 ESP
4 GRE
5 TUR
6 FRA
7 GER
8 LIT

Nobody can match the depth of the US. If they share the ball on offense and play tough defense they can wear down anyone in this tournament. Either Argentina or Spain would give them a serious challenge in the final.
The US gets themselves in trouble when they try to get too many baskets off one-on-one plays instead of passing and moving without the ball.

Looking forward to both of the semi-final games tonight. Greece vs. USA should be a good game as well.

[Nikos]

Just like he didn't let the Spurs lose. Oh, wait - he did.

Ouch!

[alamo50]

I am so pissed that I can't see the games anywhere on the damn tv over here!
It's a disgrace. It's the World Cup Basketball damned!

:pctoss

[nkdlunch]

Just like he didn't let the Spurs lose. Oh, wait - he did.

Manu was not born a Spur or in San Antonio.

[WalterBenitez]

Manu was not born a Spur or in San Antonio.
:eyebrows yeah baby ... GO ARGENTINA GO

[V-2]

Spain seems to be the better team this time around.
If Pau puts up his tournament numbers Spain will win.

[SequSpur]

So when does Argentina get to kick the USA's ass?

This weekend? I am watching it.. you want to come over?

[milkyway21]

So when does Argentina get to kick the USA's ass?

This weekend? I am watching it.. you want to come over?Bravo! And I thought you'd never want to watch the games and wondering why it's even on TV :lol and what they're playing for.

shh! it's for this small merchandize here:
http://www.fiba.com/images/web/Events/2006_wcm/fanZone/trophy/_original/fiba_trophy.jpg

Geez, Argentina this is the first time i heard Sequ rooting for Manu. You shld be proud.

[angel_luv]

Let's go Argentina!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheer

[angel_luv]

So when does Argentina get to kick the USA's ass?

This weekend? I am watching it.. you want to come over?


Hopefully there is no USA/ Argentina match.


USA needs to battle Spain for third.

[velik_m]

I am so pissed that I can't see the games anywhere on the damn tv over here!
It's a disgrace. It's the World Cup Basketball damned!

:pctoss

DSF?

i'm rooting for Argentina, even though one extra Europe sit for Olympics would be cool.

[Bruno]

Let's go Argentina!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cheer

Interesting, do you realize that if Spain win, it will be easier for Slovenia to be qualified for the olympics ? :)

[SCdac]

Woohoo!

This'll be my first time watching Ginobili (and Oberto) since the NBA season.

Looking forward to it.

[velik_m]

Interesting, do you realize that if Spain win, it will be easier for Slovenia to be qualified for the olympics ? :)

If we can't qualify the though way, we don't deserve to be there.

[angel_luv]

Interesting, do you realize that if Spain win, it will be easier for Slovenia to be qualified for the olympics ? :)


Slovenia is going to qualify. I have no worries. :)

I want best of both worlds. :)

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

here we go!!

[Spurologist]

Someone wake up Spain.

[angel_luv]

If we can't qualify the though way, we don't deserve to be there.


Hi Velik. :)

[angel_luv]

Gasol needs a hair cut.

[angel_luv]

Ginoooooooooooooobili! :)

[aaronstampler]

13-2, Gino with 6

[Spurologist]

MANUUUUUUUUUU with TWO STRAIGHT THREES.

Trés Bien, Manu

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

woo! Gino

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Good start Argentina!

[aaronstampler]

Argentina was just playing possum with Spain. They wake up for the big ones...

[NASpurs]

I've missed Manu playing ever since the Spurs season ended. It's good to see him playing again.http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smielephant.gif

[Nikos]

Well see.....Great start.....

Hope they keep it up!

[spurschick]

http://www.spurschick.com/argentina.gif

[Leo_ARG]

Oberto is getting all the rebounds.But now he has two fouls :(

Now he is sitting.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

damn, this is an intense game!

[angel_luv]

http://www.spurschick.com/argentina.gif


There she is... :)

Morning M :)

[aaronstampler]

Manu off to tough 2-8 start...

[WalterBenitez]

I am nervous

[angel_luv]

1 quarter down. :)

[Nikos]

Looks like Nocioni is going to be the player of the game if Argentina wins this.

Manu putting up a lot of deep shots and missing -- and Spain is playing him well on the drive.

[angel_luv]

I am nervous


Well the good news is Argentina leads- now they can get into their groove and go. :)

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I am nervous
Tell me about it.

[spurschick]

Holy crap - Team USA lost?! Wow. That's going to be a fun plane ride home.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Looks like Nocioni is going to be the player of the game if Argentina wins this.

Manu putting up a lot of deep shots and missing -- and Spain is playing him well on the drive.
As long as they get the win I don't care who's player of the game. But Nocioni is a stud as always.

[angel_luv]

Holy crap - Team USA lost?! Wow. That's going to be a fun plane ride home.


They still have to play for bronze.

[spurschick]

They still have to play for bronze.

Even if they get bronze, and there's a good chance they won't, they are probably pretty pissed. Oh well. There's always Beijing.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

that was a dumb foul by delfino

[aaronstampler]

Manu has been on the bench a long time. Coach must be upset with him.

[Nikos]

Manu has been on the bench a long time. Coach must be upset with him.

Yup.

[angel_luv]

Argentina you can do it!

[Spurologist]

Pau Gasol just made Oberto look a Pre Schooler.

[aaronstampler]

I think Manu has 3 steals already, he's kicked it up a notch.

[Leo_ARG]

Manu is trying to get Gasol into foul trouble.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

THis is a real grind. Come on Argentina! Pull away with a decisive lead!

[Nikos]

Manu seems to be a in a hurry -- he missed two layups by just putting too much spin on the ball. And he is chucking it up too much. Needs to relax, drive, and kick when he gets the chances.

[dav4463]

This is great basketball ! Is it time for the NBA to go global ?

[MannyIsGod]

It'll never be time for the NBA to go global. Travel times to Europe would suck too damn much, as would the game times.

[Russ]

Question for anyone: Who would (will) be the better NBA player, Walter Herrman or Luis Scola?

[Leo_ARG]

Overall: Scola

[aaronstampler]

Question for anyone: Who would (will) be the better NBA player, Walter Herrman or Luis Scola?

depends what teams they go to, who their teammates are. With everything else being equal, I think Scola, who's a bit more spunky.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Spain looks like they have a greater command of the game.

[Leo_ARG]

I hope Manu improves his decision making this half.
He forced his shot a bit too much.

[Leo_ARG]

Manu hurt :(

[TMTTRIO]

****Manu's hurt :(

[angel_luv]

No... Gino's wrist... ouchie.
Be better Gino!

[angel_luv]

Whoa Fabri!

[angel_luv]

****Manu's hurt :(


I just prayed for him.

[angel_luv]

Gino's back :)

[angel_luv]

Fabri's knee now... seems okay, thank God.

[Russ]

I just prayed for him.
He's back in. To paraphrase Gen Patton in the movie, Give that lady a commendation -- she stands in good with the Lord.

[Leo_ARG]

There is Scola and 1!

[aaronstampler]

Gino putting his head down and trying to get guys in foul trouble. Argentina's offense seems to be out of ideas.

[aaronstampler]

Gasol with 4, Argentina has a chance...

[aaronstampler]

never mind, just 3.

[angel_luv]

Ginoooooooooooooooobili :)

[SpursWillOwn]

wtf scola

[SpursWillOwn]

woah even sanchez is scoring

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

They're pretty evenly matched. Let's hope the ball goes Argentina's way now.

[Leo_ARG]

Here is the hoping for another Spanish Choke :)

[SpursWillOwn]

how many points does manu has?

[doldrums]

how many points does manu has?

16

[Spurologist]

Here is the hoping for another Spanish Choke :)

that only happens @ the World Cup. :lol

[SpursWillOwn]

wat the fuck wolokwiski

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Nocioni's a beast

[Amarelooms]

what's the score?

[Spurologist]

69-64 Espana

[Leo_ARG]

Manu with a HUGE 3 pointer.

[SpursWillOwn]

Yeah Baby!! Argentina!

[rayweb_on]

c'mon ginoooooooooooo ..manu with 3 3s u can do it c'mon! in manu i trust

[Nikos]

Looks like Manu had his jersey pulled on that postup airball. No way Navarro bodied him up and forced the airball.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

this game is a nail biter. 3 of the best players have 4 each! Why is Argentina on the bottom!

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

The Spain D hasn't allowed any Dunking penetration

[aaronstampler]

Manu has shot terribly. 5-19 now. 1-11 from 2. I've never seen him play this badly. It's like Spain knows everything he's gonna do before he does it. These guys know each other way too well. Also, he has no explosion in his legs at all.

[SpursWillOwn]

shit im gonna pee on my pants

[aaronstampler]

Scola shooting FTs? Good luck.

[aaronstampler]

Holy Shit! Spurs sign Scola up!

[aaronstampler]

I'm guessing the best we can hope for is OT

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Damn, Clutchness must run in the blood.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Manu has shot terribly. 5-19 now. 1-11 from 2. I've never seen him play this badly. It's like Spain knows everything he's gonna do before he does it. These guys know each other way too well. Also, he has no explosion in his legs at all.
Have you been watching the whole 4th quarter. He's made at least 3 huge shots.

[Amarelooms]

score and time left?

[aaronstampler]

Um? Purpose foul?

[carina_gino20]

just came in..what's the score? my heart is beating double-time now.

[angel_luv]

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aaronstampler]

sigh.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

ah man, Nocioni ...that would have been huge...Oh well.. Great game.

[angel_luv]

Spain just breaks your heart, don't they! :(

[aaronstampler]

I didn't get the intentional foul there. Shoulda just played defense.

[SpursWillOwn]

shit.. chapuuuuu

[boutons_]

Argentina was simply too cold and ESP defense too tough.
Great game, the better team won.

[carina_gino20]

what happened? :depressed

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Um? Purpose foul?
I guess they wanted to go for the game winning three.

[Kori Ellis]

I didn't get the intentional foul there. Shoulda just played defense.

Yeah. To me, that was a horrible coaching decision.

[aaronstampler]

Have you been watching the whole 4th quarter. He's made at least 3 huge shots.


Dude, I'm the biggest Manu fan on the planet, but there is no prettying up 6 for 21. He had a bad shooting night.

[carina_gino20]

shit

[Nikos]

Dude, I'm the biggest Manu fan on the planet, but there is no prettying up 6 for 21. He had a bad shooting night.

Bad field goal making night. He missed plenty of drives to the basket, not only jumpers.

[spurschick]

I didn't get it either. Did they not think they could make the stop? What a heartbreaker.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Dude, I'm the biggest Manu fan on the planet, but there is no prettying up 6 for 21. He had a bad shooting night.
They all were shooting horrribly. I still think he did a pretty good job keeping the game close because guys like Wolfiwitzki, Delfino were choking. They were relying on Nocioni and Manu's talent.

[rayweb_on]

!"$·"·%!€@#~¬~@€ aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa fuck i hate spain!!!

[timvp]

The intentional foul was the dumbest move I've ever seen on a basketball court. WTF were they thinking? Gasol is being a bench warrior and you don't think you can get a stop?

Someone needs to teach Argentines that fouling late in the game is a bad thing.

[xamila rey]

wtf!
I DONT GET IT
intentional foul????
horrible decisionnnnnnnnnnnnnn ever!

[SpursWillOwn]

the commentator kinda said ginobili's gonna remember that for a long time.. this spells trouble.......

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I didn't get it either. Did they not think they could make the stop? What a heartbreaker.
That was a lame decision.

Shoulda just played for OT.

[carina_gino20]

can someone explain what happened in the last minute? final score?

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

the commentator kinda said ginobili's gonna remember that for a long time.. this spells trouble.......
He'll be fine.

[Streakyshooter08]

Can somebody please explain this foul to me? :pctoss Thats total crap imo. You give your opponent the possibility to lead with 19 sec left and you put all the pressure on yourself...

JUST PLAY GOOD DEFENSE AND TAKE IT TO OVERTIME OR GET IT A FEW SECONDS BEFORE THE END FOR 1 LAST SHOT!!! DAMN.

I am pissed. But Congrats to Spain. They played a good game, especially with that weak start. Will be a good final game. I am looking forward to see Arg.-USA tomorrow.

[kolko]

can someone explain what happened in the last minute? final score?
Nocioni missed the final shot, Spain won 75-74.

[Sanders]

Well, I didn't have a favourite in this match, but would've felt really bad for Gasol if Spain lost this one. I hope he's ready till tomorrow...

Otherwise, two great matches today, and basketball won both of them...

[Leo_ARG]

75-74

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I wish they had their Olympic Coach.

[spurschick]

Tomorrow's bronze medal game is going to be ugly.

[carina_gino20]

Nocioni missed the final shot, Spain won 75-74.
:depressed :pctoss

[aaronstampler]

Geez, this sucks. Manu has had one damn starcrossed year with these tight games not going our way. I'm starting to seriously worry about the guy. It's like he can't jump anymore. He used to dunk on everybody, now it's like floater attempts and hoping to get foul calls. More and more his points are coming from 3s... I thought whatever injury wise troubled him with the Spurs, he'd have healed up after some rest, but it doesn't seem to have helped. How can a guy lose all his ups at 29?

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Fuck man. It's a double LOSS. I did not need this to go into the weekend!


Now we have to watch Manu's team play the U.S. team and they'll still end up as LoSers!! Both Losersss I tells ya!

[carina_gino20]

now they have their argentina-us matchup everybody was looking out for...:depressed

[Amarelooms]

Haha....PAUO GASOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like Barkely says lol. Anyway who cares. If the US wanted to win...cut Wade and others who can't shoot worth a crap. Just the Mavs luck that dude played out of his mind in the Finals....even hitting 3's....he is a horrible shooter. Should have got Kobe, SHaq, and KG.

[diego]

Im fine with the foul. my problem is shooting for 3 when a 2 would have done it. I'm still proud of our guys, minus delfino.

spain should thank the fiba refs for keeping them in the game in the 1st, and for scratching a gasol foul (had that not happened he would have been out at 3:something and not rolled his ankle)

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Geez, this sucks. Manu has had one damn starcrossed year with these tight games not going our way. I'm starting to seriously worry about the guy. It's like he can't jump anymore. He used to dunk on everybody, now it's like floater attempts and hoping to get foul calls. More and more his points are coming from 3s... I thought whatever injury wise troubled him with the Spurs, he'd have healed up after some rest, but it doesn't seem to have helped. How can a guy lose all his ups at 29?
Yeah I was wondering why he didn't dunnk it on their asses when he had a couple opportunities. I know he was just planning on helping the team out and stuff and reducing his role, but geez, when you're taking over TAKE OVER!

[spurschick]

Geez, this sucks. Manu has had one damn starcrossed year with these tight games not going our way. I'm starting to seriously worry about the guy. It's like he can't jump anymore. He used to dunk on everybody, now it's like floater attempts and hoping to get foul calls. More and more his points are coming from 3s... I thought whatever injury wise troubled him with the Spurs, he'd have healed up after some rest, but it doesn't seem to have helped. How can a guy lose all his ups at 29?

Are you kidding? Manu kept them in the game! And I'll take that 3-pt shot any day of the week.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Im fine with the foul. my problem is shooting for 3 when a 2 would have done it. I'm still proud of our guys, minus delfino.

spain should thank the fiba refs for keeping them in the game in the 1st, and for scratching a gasol foul (had that not happened he would have been out at 3:something and not rolled his ankle)
Yeah I don't know why they didn't capitalize on that miss.

[aaronstampler]

the commentator kinda said ginobili's gonna remember that for a long time.. this spells trouble.......


What's there to remember? He drove the lane, drew two people and passed it to the team's 2nd best player for a wide open shot. He's got plenty of moments in this game to regret, but he didn't do anything wrong on the last possession.

[carina_gino20]

Haha....PAUO GASOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like Barkely says lol. Anyway who cares. If the US wanted to win...cut Wade and others who can't shoot worth a crap. Just the Mavs luck that dude played out of his mind in the Finals....even hitting 3's....he is a horrible shooter. Should have got Kobe, SHaq, and KG.

yeah, like Shaq and KG agreed to play..


Im fine with the foul. my problem is shooting for 3 when a 2 would have done it. I'm still proud of our guys, minus delfino

why?

[MannyIsGod]

I honestly think it has become quite apparent Manu is simply not giont to be the player we saw in 2005 for the rest of his career. He will probably be a very good player, but not the same Manu we saw that year.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Are you kidding? Manu kept them in the game! And I'll take that 3-pt shot any day of the week.
That was sweet and deep.

And Scola did his part with the Free Throws as well.

It's just we didn't have any luck left with Nocioni. Which hurts. He usually makes those. They should have set up a play for one of the big guys in the post with Gasol hurt.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I honestly think it has become quite apparent Manu is simply not giont to be the player we saw in 2005 for the rest of his career. He will probably be a very good player, but not the same Manu we saw that year.
He did a pretty good job. You guys are talking like the loss is on him. He did his part. The team got outplayed.

[aaronstampler]

Are you kidding? Manu kept them in the game! And I'll take that 3-pt shot any day of the week.


When he was a dominant player he could do it all spurschick. Yes his 4 of 9 3 point shooting kept them in it, but the 2 of 12 in the lane kept Spain in it. But the other poster was right, nobody on argentina except for Sanchez played all that great.

It was definitely a team loss.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not saying anything is on him. Manu did a fine job. I simply made an observation on what caliber of player he is going to be.

As good of a game as Manu have, he wasn't the game changer Gasol was. He was that kind of game changer before, but I don't think he has it in him anymore. Thats not a knock on him.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Spain was just the better team in the end. This team is already a proven winner so it's not SO bad. It just would have been sweet to see them go all the way.

[spurschick]

It was definitely a team loss.

Exactly.

[aaronstampler]

To be fair, Spain knows this Argentina team inside and out. I don't anticipate seeing Manu have many 6-21 nights in the NBA anytime soon. He's too smart for the NBA to struggle badly, and he'd have more open teammates than what Spain allowed.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I'm not saying anything is on him. Manu did a fine job. I simply made an observation on what caliber of player he is going to be.

As good of a game as Manu have, he wasn't the game changer Gasol was. He was that kind of game changer before, but I don't think he has it in him anymore. Thats not a knock on him.
Ah gotcha. I think that has to do with Manu's approach and the coach's use of his play. This season he kinda just did what he needed to do but they didn't run the offense through him as much like in the 04 games. And Pop kinda didn't rely on him this year either cuz of his injuries and Parker being the scorer.

[aaronstampler]

Ah gotcha. I think that has to do with Manu's approach and the coach's use of his play. This season he kinda just did what he needed to do but they didn't run the offense through him as much like in the 04 games.

That's weak. Whether the offense runs through him or not, from '03-'05 he just hammered it on people. He posterized people. Now it's floaters and lay-up city.

I just don't get it. It's not like he wasn't injured before. Barry called him El Contusion in '04-'05, and he had no problem slamming it on Amare and the Pistons all day.

[carina_gino20]

wow..this finals match is totally unexpected. it hurts that argentina lost because i really wanted manu to take the Naismith Cup. But a Spain-Greece matchup really shows the miracles of team basketball.

[aaronstampler]

wow..this finals match is totally unexpected. it hurts that argentina lost because i really wanted manu to take the Naismith Cup. But a Spain-Greece matchup really shows the miracles of team basketball.

Greece can totally win this, Gasol's hurt.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Man, fucking losing. Now the Gold Medal game will not be worth watching. I hate both teams for taking out the two teams I wanted to see go for gold! This year sucks for Spurs basketball fans.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

That said, my money's on Greece.

[carina_gino20]

anyway, what happened that made argentina go to the intentional foul? what was the situation then? and was chapu's last shot a jumper?

[aaronstampler]

ah well, good night folks. There's officially nothing to talk about for Spurs fans until October.

[spurschick]

Man, fucking losing. Now the Gold Medal game will not be worth watching. I hate both teams for taking out the two teams I wanted to see go for gold! This year sucks for Spurs basketball fans.

I couldn't disagree more.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

anyway, what happened that made argentina go to the intentional foul? what was the situation then? and was chapu's last shot a jumper?
They just decided to foul the point guard before he reached, with a half court trap. It was the Coach's call.

[aaronstampler]

anyway, what happened that made argentina go to the intentional foul? what was the situation then? and was chapu's last shot a jumper?

Nothing happened. It was just a coaching decision. The guy with the ball isn't a good FT shooter, and they gambled that he would miss at least one. I guess they didn't want to take their chances in OT with both Manu and Chapu with 4 fouls.

And yes, Chapu's last shot was a jumper, off a Manu pass, from the baseline.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I couldn't disagree more.
I know I know... I'm just so sick of the familiarity with a team that is JUST a little bit better than yours and beats your team, and one of your favorite players by one point. It's like a mental relapse.

I'm glad Argentina didn't get blown out in the first half though.

[spurschick]

anyway, what happened that made argentina go to the intentional foul? what was the situation then? and was chapu's last shot a jumper?

You can get the play-by-play info and shot chart here:

http://www.sportresult.com/events/FIBAWCh2006/htm/game_statsevent_idbbwm06game76.asp

[carina_gino20]

Spain was leading by how many when they fouled him? sorry, i'm a bit confused.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Spain was leading by how many when they fouled him? sorry, i'm a bit confused.
they were tied. 74-74 i think, sounds stupid huh?

OT is a much better alternative than a missed game winner/loser

[carina_gino20]

oh, man. it didn't hurt as much when i didn't know...didn't they trust their defense? :pctoss...sigh ignorance is bliss

[mathbzh]

Haha....PAUO GASOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like Barkely says lol. Anyway who cares. If the US wanted to win...cut Wade and others who can't shoot worth a crap. Just the Mavs luck that dude played out of his mind in the Finals....even hitting 3's....he is a horrible shooter. Should have got Kobe, SHaq, and KG.

If you still think the problem comes from the talent of players... you are a moron. Individual talent is not the problem. Wade, Melo, Lebron, Howard... are better than any Greek.
Remember how good TD looked in 2004.
In a FIBA game, I guess Shaq would be fouled out in 5 minutes. Kobe would try to break a zone all by himself and finished shooting 3/32. If USA want to win they just have to learn FIBA-games.

[carina_gino20]

they were tied. 74-74 i think, sounds stupid huh?

OT is a much better alternative than a missed game winner/loser

if that's what happened, how the hell could anyone blame manu? granted he had a bad shooting night but i gather no one else played that great. if it was tied at the last seconds and they committed that foul, it's totally on the coach. wth

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

oh, man. it didn't hurt as much when i didn't know...didn't they trust their defense? :pctoss...sigh ignorance is bliss
The loss is on the coach, when you think about the variables. Spain had a hurt Gasol!

[spurschick]

For anyone wanting to relive the day, NBA TV is playing Greece v. US right now and Argentina v. Spain afterwards.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I don't wanna see the Bronze game tomorrow now.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

For anyone wanting to relive the day, NBA TV is playing Greece v. US right now and Argentina v. Spain afterwards.
Maybe if we were living in an alternate reality, where Chapu makes it and/or they send it into overtime with their D. And U.S.A actuall played with ball movement and defended the P& R better :lol

[xamila rey]

thanx at least u make me smile

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

It was a hard fought game at least. Both were battling, and it was close to the last seconds. After the initial disappointment with the shots not falling for Argentina, it isn't so bad in the end.

well I'm out. Great basketball this morning!

[carina_gino20]

it's almost like deja vu,

in the 2004 Olympics, everyone was expecting a US-Lithuania matchup. they got it...in the bronze medal round.

now they were asking for a US-Argentina matchup, and they get it again in the bronze medal round...:depressed

maybe journalists should just shut up...:lol

[ALVAREZ6]

What a shitty fucking game.

Argentina started off really well, but they lost the game in the early 2nd quarter when Spain and their guards started to dominate. Some 6'3" Rudy Fernandez guy ends up with back-to-back dunks off of a lousy ass turnover. Argentina really fucked that game up with all of those unnecessary fouls and lazy turnovers.

[Texas_Ranger]

^^ I agree.

[ALVAREZ6]

And Gasol's 86 and 1's didn't help much either.




Oh well, it would have been a great story for Argentina winning the 04 Olympics and 06 WC :depressed

[carina_gino20]

And Gasol's 86 and 1's didn't help much either.




Oh well, it would have been a great story for Argentina winning the 04 Olympics and 06 WC :depressed

it wasn't meant to be...:depressed

[vanvannen]

The game was fantastic emotion-wise, though not particularly well played. Manu had the game winner and blew it again. I know I'm gonna hear every Manu homer saying how he is a winner and all that. I believe he hasn't won a game ever since they started saying that. :depressed

[ALVAREZ6]

it wasn't meant to be...:depressed
No, they just really stunk it up today.

[ALVAREZ6]

I honestly think it has become quite apparent Manu is simply not giont to be the player we saw in 2005 for the rest of his career. He will probably be a very good player, but not the same Manu we saw that year.
I realized this a while ago. Manu was incredible in 2005. He was unstoppable. He's still a great player, but he won't ever be like he was in 05.

[beirmeistr]

I hesitatingly agree that Manu will probably not reach that 2005 playoff level again, but it is still a lot of fun to watch him play basketball. As to today's game, I think the coach has to take the blame for ordering that intentional foul at the end. I'm not sure how much freedom manu has to operate with this coach---can he stray from the set play and create like he can with popovich or is this coach's play the law? Anyway, that was a lame decision to foul, I thought. And I also feel that Argentina had a decent chance to win the game with that last shot by Nocioni. Unfortunately, it did not fall. But a hell of a game. A war. To those that are disappointed that Ginobili's shooting percentage was not up to par, I say that he tried his best under very physical situations. I'm just glad that he did not get hurt.

[ALVAREZ6]

For those that watched the game, does anyone else think they really lost the grip of the game when Sanchez and Manu went out and Prigioni came in??? He really stunk it up, he couldn't handle the ball off, and the team wasn't getting any shots off.

But not to just blame it on him, why did Manu and Sanchez need such long breaks??? Gasol came back in way before they did, and that's when the game shifted to Spain's favor, and Argentina made turnovers left and right, and Espana capitalized on all of them.

[Obstructed_View]

It's surprising how much more dominant Manu is at the end of a game when Duncan is down underneath the basket instead of Scola.

[ALVAREZ6]

It's surprising how much more dominant Manu is at the end of a game when Duncan is down underneath the basket instead of Scola.
I think that he's just more out of control these days. It's like he can't control his out-of-controlness that he once used to. No he just runs into people and puts up prayer lay-ups. There was a time in the game today where Argentina stopped with the team play and ball movement, and just gave it to Manu everytime, hoping he would do something. His success rate wasn't too high.

[Obstructed_View]

I think that he's just more out of control these days. It's like he can't control his out-of-controlness that he once used to. No he just runs into people and puts up prayer lay-ups. There was a time in the game today where Argentina stopped with the team play and ball movement, and just gave it to Manu everytime, hoping he would do something. His success rate wasn't too high.
Yeah, but it's a two headed monster when the team gives him the ball and stands around waiting for him to save them. He has no choice but to try to do it himself, and it's difficult because when the defense sees his teammates standing around, then they know he's the only one they need to stop. I've seen three or four Argentina games so far in this tournament, and they looked like they just went flat about the middle of the second. I think maybe they had also been cruising for too long, and when they got out to a lead in the beginning they just thought it would be easy. That mo is hard to get back once you lose it. They also got into whining about the calls, which took them out of their game.

[ALVAREZ6]

Well there's no doubt about all of what you just said, which is why I keep saying that they lost the game in the early 2nd quarter.

[carina_gino20]

waiting for someone to come up with something never did anyone good except if that someone were MJ or Bird or Magic. Argentina is at its best when they play as a team.

[Obstructed_View]

waiting for someone to come up with something never did anyone good except if that someone were MJ or Bird or Magic. Argentina is at its best when they play as a team.
And they were doing such a good job of it up until this game, it's too bad they pissed away the opportunity.

[carina_gino20]

And they were doing such a good job of it up until this game, it's too bad they pissed away the opportunity.

too much hype..lack of concentration...very good opponent...it happens. :depressed

[Obstructed_View]

too much hype..lack of concentration...very good opponent...it happens. :depressed
Ask the US olympic team.

[carina_gino20]

it happens when you start celebrating after beating team turkey who all but rolled down for them..

[ALVAREZ6]

Well I think it's offiicial that Spain completely owns Argentina in the world of basketball, as much as that upsets me.

[carina_gino20]

Well I think it's offiicial that Spain completely owns Argentina in the world of basketball, as much as that upsets me.

10-0...hard to argue with that.

[mabber]

It's surprising how much more dominant Manu is at the end of a game when Duncan is down underneath the basket instead of Scola.

Wade is much more dominant with Shaq underneath the basket (instead of Brand or Bosh) as well. It's amazing how that works :lol

[Obstructed_View]

Wade is much more dominant with Dirk and Dampier underneath the basket as well. It's amazing how that works :lol
Fixed.

[cheguevara]

Yeah. To me, that was a horrible coaching decision.

yeah that foul by Pepe in the end was SOOOOO FUCKING STUPID, similar to the Manu foul on Nowitzki, but this one was INTENTIONAL! goddam what a heartbreaker

[ALVAREZ6]

yeah that foul by Pepe in the end was SOOOOO FUCKING STUPID, similar to the Manu foul on Nowitzki, but this one was INTENTIONAL! goddam what a heartbreaker
Just a stupid coaching decision.

[Obstructed_View]

I agree. Who is going to be the unstoppable scorer for Spain in that situation when Pau is on the bench with an icepack on his foot? That was the ultimate give-up play. Yet another situation where the coach just conceded a title to the opponent.

[MB20]

Fire Hernandez. He´s clueless.
This team is too much for him.

[BeerIsGood!]

Just like he (Manu) didn't let the Spurs lose. Oh, wait - he did.
Hmmm... looks like he did it again, but this time with lots of help. I guess the fact that it is where he was born didnt matter much in this game either. I guess he plays just as hard in the NBA as in FIBA, but this just wasn't his year.


GO SPAIN!!

[~Sweetmelody~]

That was an exciting game! One freaking point!

But why is Manu being blamed? I know they didn't need a 3 point play, but I don't blame the guy. The play was called by the coach-right?

[Cherry]

That was an exciting game! One freaking point!

But why is Manu being blamed? I know they didn't need a 3 point play, but I don't blame the guy. I play was called by the coach-right?

Right.
Some people blame Manu because they have nothing to do :rolleyes
I´m very pround of Argentina NT

[BeerIsGood!]

Right.
Some people blame Manu because they have nothing to do :rolleyes
I´m very pround of Argentina NT
I'm not blaming Manu. If you go back to yesterday on this thread someone said that Manu wouldn't let the Argentina NT lose and that they were going to beat Spain. Since my relatives and family line is Spaniard I am going for the Spanish, and I said they would win. I was just poking fun at the person who said Manu would spill blood before letting the Argies lose.

[Cherry]

I'm not blaming Manu. If you go back to yesterday on this thread someone said that Manu wouldn't let the Argentina NT lose and that they were going to beat Spain. Since my relatives and family line is Spaniard I am going for the Spanish, and I said they would win. I was just poking fun at the person who said Manu would spill blood before letting the Argies lose.

I´m sorry. I´m not talking about you.
Spain wins this one with heart, talent (and yes, some luck :lol ) But if Argentina play unconfortable, it was because the great spanish defense.

[mabber]

I´m sorry. I´m not talking about you.
Spain wins this one with heart, talent (and yes, some luck :lol ) But if Argentina play unconfortable, it was because the great spanish defense.


I don't think the Spanish defense had anything to do with Manu throwing up 2 airballs in the last 2 minutes :lol

[spurschick]

ARG - Manu deals with defeat

SAITAMA (FIBA World Championship) - Manu Ginobili has won his share of big games with Argentina and at club level in Europe and the United States.

But on Friday, he and his country suffered a 75-74 defeat to Spain in the semi-final of the FIBA World Championship.

"Of course I'm sad, but I'm very proud of my team-mates," said Ginobili, who two years ago led Argentina to an Olympic gold medal.

"We had the shot, a great shot to go to the final.

"But I've had worse losses in my career. Of course it's sad to lose a semi-final like this. but it's part of everybody's career.

"So you have to keep your head up and basketball will give you a revenge."

Argentina won all of their Group A matches in Sendai and then beat New Zealand and Turkey to reach the last four.

Ginobili, who had a game-high 21 points, penetrated into the lane at the end of the game against Spain but chose not to shoot.

Instead, he passed to Andres Nocioni in the corner and Nocioni missed with his attempt.

Now the Argentinians have to play the United States in the bronze medal game after the Americans lost to Greece.

"It's going to be really hard because we had a very tough game," he said.

"We were so close to making it to the final. It's going to be hard for our heads to be ready to face a great team like the USA, but we will try to forget about what happened today and come tomorrow ready to get that bronze medal."

[Nikos]

I didn't see anyone mention this but I thought Sergio Rodriguez (White Chocolate) and Garbajosa were the co MVP's of the game along with Gasol. Sergio really gave them awesome punch off the bench -- 14pts in 15 min? Talk about efficiency. Garbajosa had a period where he was lifting their offense.

Gasol was very good but nothing spectacular. He was simply more talented, and too long for Oberto and Argentina bigs. Some of his rebounds were pure height and touch around the basket more than anything else. Gasol is just a tough matchup for them. Gasol probably has been the best player in the tournement -- but he wasn't really the only or main difference in this game.

The starting Spanish backcourt really laid an egg. Talk about inactivity.

As for Manu, I think other posters are right when they say we may have seen the best of him in the 2005 playoffs. I was actually thinking this when the Maverick series ended. Scratch that, I had a feeling that he could not exceed his 2005 playoffs because it was simply too good (forget age, he was insane that season, and it would be a near miracle to play like he did again).

He doesn't seem to have quite as much juice as before, but that could just mean he had an unlucky playoffs. His stats looked the same in the regular season, but in the playoffs he faltered against Sacramento and in the beggining of the Dallas series. I think age, injuries, and simply not being able to live up to his 2005 play will make Manu seem like a much poorer player. But he still was excellent last year and might have one more all star calibur year (without making the team however). But I think his days are winding down a bit. Hopefully he has two healthy playoffs ahead of him. That would be nice.

[cheguevara]

Actually I think Manu looked in the best shape and condition in a long time. Let's face it, Spain was just a mismatch vs. Argentina same way Dallas was with Spurs last season.

This Spain team is probably the most powerful team this Argentina generation has faced.

[spurschick]

Actually I think Manu looked in the best shape and condition in a long time. Let's face it, Spain was just a mismatch vs. Argentina same way Dallas was with Spurs last season.

This Spain team is probably the most powerful team this Argentina generation has faced.

And both games, this one against Spain and Game 7 against Dallas, were extremely close. Spain outplayed Argentina, but what does it say that Argentina was one shot away from winning that game?

As for Manu, I agree with you. I think he looked better during these WCs than he did for most of last season. I'm not ready to rule him out yet for having a great 06-07 season.

[Nikos]

Actually I think Manu looked in the best shape and condition in a long time. Let's face it, Spain was just a mismatch vs. Argentina same way Dallas was with Spurs last season.

This Spain team is probably the most powerful team this Argentina generation has faced.

Well one of the biggest mismatches was Navarro supposedly and he looked like a complete non-factor. Rodriguez was awesome and Navarro was bad. No one expected Sergio to be a huge factor in the game. The main mismatches were Gasol and Garbajosa, but I doubt Spain could force Ginobili to shoot 6-21 every game. They simply played him very well and Ginobili couldn't do anything to rise above it.

These two teams are very evenly matched across the board. Both are talented, experienced, and balanced. I would hardly call either team the clearly superior one.

[angel_luv]

ARG - Manu deals with defeat

SAITAMA (FIBA World Championship) - Manu Ginobili has won his share of big games with Argentina and at club level in Europe and the United States.

But on Friday, he and his country suffered a 75-74 defeat to Spain in the semi-final of the FIBA World Championship.

"Of course I'm sad, but I'm very proud of my team-mates," said Ginobili, who two years ago led Argentina to an Olympic gold medal.

"We had the shot, a great shot to go to the final.

"But I've had worse losses in my career. Of course it's sad to lose a semi-final like this. but it's part of everybody's career.

"So you have to keep your head up and basketball will give you a revenge."

Argentina won all of their Group A matches in Sendai and then beat New Zealand and Turkey to reach the last four.

Ginobili, who had a game-high 21 points, penetrated into the lane at the end of the game against Spain but chose not to shoot.

Instead, he passed to Andres Nocioni in the corner and Nocioni missed with his attempt.

Now the Argentinians have to play the United States in the bronze medal game after the Americans lost to Greece.

"It's going to be really hard because we had a very tough game," he said.

"We were so close to making it to the final. It's going to be hard for our heads to be ready to face a great team like the USA, but we will try to forget about what happened today and come tomorrow ready to get that bronze medal."

Thanks for posting that M. I am glad to know Gino is managing okay.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I like the Revenge part.

And yeah, this loss wasn't so bad. I wonder why Manu chose not to shoot?

Is it because he did that play with Tim twice and it didn't work and in doing that he passed the option to kick out to Horry again?

As for Manu's game peaking. We'll just have to wait and see. But yeah, he had crazy playoff stats so it's understandable.

I don't care if he doesn't reach that level again really, just as long as he helps pitch in his share for another title with a few Manu styled plays thrown in the mix.

[spurschick]

And yeah, this loss wasn't so bad. I wonder why Manu chose not to shoot?

He ran the play that was called in the huddle. They had that huddle miked and you could hear Coach Hernandez say "Pepe and Chapu" - one of the ESPN announcers mentioned that he didn't know who Chapu was. The play was for Manu to drive through the lane, suck in the defenders and then kick it out to either Pepe or Chapu in the corners. They executed the play, Chapu's shot simply didn't go in. I thought for a moment that Scola was going to get the rebound and put it back in for two, but there were too many Spanish players around him battling for it and it just didn't happen.

[TMTTRIO]

By the way, how's his wrist? I know he had to leave the game in a lot of pain because he did something to it but then he came back in because Delfino fouled out and he had to finish it.

[spurschick]

By the way, how's his wrist? I know he had to leave the game in a lot of pain because he did something to it but then he came back in because Delfino fouled out and he had to finish it.

He came in before Delfino fouled out. I think he just got a stinger and it was fine by the time he came back in.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

He ran the play that was called in the huddle. They had that huddle miked and you could hear Coach Hernandez say "Pepe and Chapu" - one of the ESPN announcers mentioned that he didn't know who Chapu was. The play was for Manu to drive through the lane, suck in the defenders and then kick it out to either Pepe or Chapu in the corners. They executed the play, Chapu's shot simply didn't go in. I thought for a moment that Scola was going to get the rebound and put it back in for two, but there were too many Spanish players around him battling for it and it just didn't happen.
Ah thanks. Although Chapu did have a good look and a potential winner on release, I think the Spanish D was just too good. Gotta give props to them for grabbing the rebound and boxing out Scola and Oberto. Good Spanish D.

(I mean, they didn't foul just so they could have last posession did they?)

[smeagol]

Spain played better.

[PaceMonster]

Haha....PAUO GASOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like Barkely says lol. Anyway who cares. If the US wanted to win...cut Wade and others who can't shoot worth a crap. Just the Mavs luck that dude played out of his mind in the Finals....even hitting 3's....he is a horrible shooter. Should have got Kobe, SHaq, and KG.

You talkin about that Wade that killed your team in the finals on jumpshots?? Just clearing it up??

[xamila rey]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5948556?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=73

Gasol to be out four months after foot surgery MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) - Memphis Grizzlies forward Pau Gasol will be sidelined for four months after surgery to repair a broken bone in his left foot.

The 7-foot Gasol is scheduled to leave for his native Spain on Monday for a two-week trip and begin rehabilitation upon returning to Memphis, the Grizzlies said Friday. He broke the bone last week while playing for Spain during the world championships in Japan.
The Grizzlies start preseason play Oct. 10 at Houston, and their first regular-season game is Nov. 1 at home against New York.