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boutons_
09-03-2006, 04:47 AM
September 3, 2006

Op-Ed Columnist, NYTimes

Donald Rumsfeld’s Dance With the Nazis

By FRANK RICH (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/frankrich/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
PRESIDENT BUSH came to Washington vowing to be a uniter, not a divider. Well, you win some and you lose some. But there is one member of his administration who has not broken that promise: Donald Rumsfeld. With indefatigable brio, he has long since united Democrats, Republicans, generals and civilians alike in calling for his scalp.

Last week the man who gave us “stuff happens” and “you go to war with the Army you have” outdid himself. In an instantly infamous address to the American Legion, he likened critics of the Iraq debacle to those who “ridiculed or ignored” the rise of the Nazis in the 1930’s and tried to appease Hitler. Such Americans, he said, suffer from a “moral or intellectual confusion” and fail to recognize the “new type of fascism” represented by terrorists. Presumably he was not only describing the usual array of “Defeatocrats” but also the first President Bush, who had already been implicitly tarred as an appeaser by Tony Snow last month for failing to knock out Saddam in 1991.

What made Mr. Rumsfeld’s speech noteworthy wasn’t its toxic effort to impugn the patriotism of administration critics by conflating dissent on Iraq with cut-and-run surrender and incipient treason. That’s old news. No, what made Mr. Rumsfeld’s performance special was the preview it offered of the ambitious propaganda campaign planned between now and Election Day. An on-the-ropes White House plans to stop at nothing when rewriting its record of defeat (not to be confused with defeatism) in a war that has now lasted longer than America’s fight against the actual Nazis in World War II.

Here’s how brazen Mr. Rumsfeld was when he invoked Hitler’s appeasers to score his cheap points: Since Hitler was photographed (http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blhitler22.htm)



http://z.about.com/d/history1900s/1/0/a/P/hitler22.jpg



... warmly shaking Neville Chamberlain’s hand at Munich in 1938, the only image that comes close to matching it in epochal obsequiousness is the December 1983 photograph (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blsaddamrumsfeld.htm) of Mr. Rumsfeld himself in Baghdad,




http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/_/1/saddam_rummy.jpg




.... warmly shaking the hand of Saddam Hussein in full fascist regalia. Is the defense secretary so self-deluded that he thought no one would remember a picture so easily Googled on the Web? Or worse, is he just too shameless to care?

Mr. Rumsfeld didn’t go to Baghdad in 1983 to tour the museum. Then a private citizen, he had been dispatched as an emissary by the Reagan administration, which sought to align itself with Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. Saddam was already a notorious thug. Well before Mr. Rumsfeld’s trip, Amnesty International had reported the dictator’s use of torture — “beating, burning, sexual abuse and the infliction of electric shocks” — on hundreds of political prisoners. Dozens more had been summarily executed or had “disappeared.” American intelligence agencies knew that Saddam had used chemical weapons to gas both Iraqi Kurds and Iranians.

According to declassified State Department memos detailing Mr. Rumsfeld’s Baghdad meetings, the American visitor never raised the subject of these crimes with his host. (Mr. Rumsfeld has since claimed otherwise, but that is not supported by the documents, which can be viewed online at George Washington University’s National Security Archive (http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/).) Within a year of his visit, the American mission was accomplished: Iraq and the United States resumed diplomatic relations for the first time since Iraq had severed them in 1967 in protest of American backing of Israel in the Six-Day War.

In his speech last week, Mr. Rumsfeld paraphrased Winston Churchill: Appeasing tyrants is “a bit like feeding a crocodile, hoping it would eat you last.” He can quote Churchill all he wants, but if he wants to self-righteously use that argument to smear others, the record shows that Mr. Rumsfeld cozied up to the crocodile of Baghdad as smarmily as anyone. To borrow the defense secretary’s own formulation, he suffers from moral confusion about Saddam.

Mr. Rumsfeld also suffers from intellectual confusion about terrorism. He might not have appeased Al Qaeda but he certainly enabled it. Like Chamberlain, he didn’t recognize the severity of the looming threat until it was too late. Had he done so, maybe his boss would not have blown off intelligence about imminent Qaeda attacks while on siesta in Crawford.

For further proof, read the address Mr. Rumsfeld gave to Pentagon workers on Sept. 10, 2001 — a policy manifesto he regarded as sufficiently important, James Bamford reminds us in his book “A Pretext to War,” that it was disseminated to the press. “The topic today is an adversary that poses a threat, a serious threat, to the security of the United States of America” is how the defense secretary began. He then went on to explain that this adversary “crushes new ideas” with “brutal consistency” and “disrupts the defense of the United States.” It is a foe “more subtle and implacable” than the former Soviet Union, he continued, stronger and larger and “closer to home” than “the last decrepit dictators of the world.”

And who might this ominous enemy be? Of that, Mr. Rumsfeld was as certain as he would later be about troop strength in Iraq: “the Pentagon bureaucracy.” In love with the sound of his own voice, he blathered on for almost 4,000 words while Mohamed Atta and the 18 other hijackers fanned out to American airports.

Three months later, Mr. Rumsfeld would still be asleep at the switch, as his war command refused to heed the urgent request by American officers on the ground for the additional troops needed to capture Osama bin Laden when he was cornered in Tora Bora. What would follow in Iraq was also more Chamberlain than Churchill. By failing to secure and rebuild the country after the invasion, he created a terrorist haven where none had been before.

That last story is seeping out in ever more incriminating detail, thanks to well-sourced chronicles like “Fiasco,” “Cobra II” and “Blood Money,” T. Christian Miller’s new account of the billions of dollars squandered and stolen in Iraq reconstruction. Still, Americans have notoriously short memories. The White House hopes that by Election Day it can induce amnesia about its failures in the Middle East as deftly as Mr. Rumsfeld (with an assist from John Mark Karr) helped upstage first-anniversary remembrances of Katrina.

One obstacle is that White House allies, not just Democrats, are sounding the alarm about Iraq. In recent weeks, prominent conservatives, some still war supporters and some not, have steadily broached the dread word Vietnam: Chuck Hagel (http://newnebraska.blogspot.com/2006/07/chuck-hagel-iraq-absolute-replay-of.html), William F. Buckley Jr. (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTI1MWIyNDJmZjRmZTU5NDIxZmM2NzcyNWZjZTEyZTY) and the columnists Rich Lowry (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZjE4NDhmOWY5MTc4MjNkYjc5NjE4MGFiOTUxZjAzMTA) and Max Boot (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-boot9aug09,0,6070771.column). A George Will column (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/14/AR2006081401163.html) critical of the war so rattled the White House that it had a flunky release a public 2,400-word response (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/george_wills_realism_doesnt_ex.html) notable for its incoherence.

If even some conservatives are making accurate analogies between Vietnam and Iraq, one way for the administration to drown them out is to step up false historical analogies of its own, like Mr. Rumsfeld’s. In the past the administration has been big on comparisons between Iraq and the American Revolution — the defense secretary once likened (http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030613-secdef0276.html) “the snows of Valley Forge” to “the sandstorms of central Iraq” — but lately the White House vogue has been for “Islamo-fascism,” which it sees as another rhetorical means to retrofit Iraq to the more salable template of World War II.

“Islamo-fascism” certainly sounds more impressive than such tired buzzwords as “Plan for Victory” or “Stay the Course.” And it serves as a handy substitute for “As the Iraqis stand up, we’ll stand down.” That slogan had to be retired abruptly last month after The New York Times reported (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/06/world/middleeast/06baghdad.html) that violence in Baghdad has statistically increased rather than decreased as American troops handed over responsibilities to Iraqis. Yet the term “Islamo-fascists,” like the bygone “evildoers,” is less telling as a description of the enemy than as a window into the administration’s continued confusion about exactly who the enemy is. As the writer Katha Pollitt asks in The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060911/pollitt), “Who are the ‘Islamo-fascists’ in Saudi Arabia — the current regime or its religious-fanatical opponents?”

Next up is the parade of presidential speeches culminating in what The Washington Post describes as “a whirlwind tour of the Sept. 11 attack sites”: All Fascism All the Time. In his opening salvo, delivered on Thursday to the same American Legion convention that cheered Mr. Rumsfeld, Mr. Bush worked in the Nazis and Communists and compared battles in Iraq to Omaha Beach and Guadalcanal. He once more interchanged the terrorists who struck the World Trade Center with car bombers in Baghdad, calling them all part of the same epic “ideological struggle of the 21st century.” One more drop in the polls, and he may yet rebrand this mess War of the Worlds.

“Iraq is not overwhelmed by foreign terrorists,” said the congressman John Murtha in succinct rebuttal to the president’s speech. “It is overwhelmed by Iraqis fighting Iraqis.” And with Americans caught in the middle. If we owe anything to those who died on 9/11, it is that we not forget how the administration diverted our blood and treasure from the battle against bin Laden and other stateless Islamic terrorists, fascist or whatever, to this quagmire in a country that did not attack us on 9/11. The number of American dead in Iraq — now more than 2,600 — is inexorably approaching the death toll of that Tuesday morning five years ago.

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What even a Rich won't say is that the US military lives lost in Iraq are wasted.

For the next two months, expect the Repug slime-bots to be Swift-boating, lying, and spewing their slime in more detailed fashion and in greater intensity at specific Dem candidates in unsafe elections, which has expanded from 20 seats in the House to 45, admit some Repugs. Dems need onl 15 of those 40 to win the House.

What is in play for the Repugs is not the war on terror (never a Repug priority), but control of Congress for the over-arching objective of continuing to enrich and proctect the super-rich and the corps.

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Clandestino
09-03-2006, 07:28 AM
in a war that has now lasted longer than America’s fight against the actual Nazis in World War II.

ummm....we STILL have troops in Germany. 50+ years later

boutons_
09-03-2006, 07:42 AM
"in a war"

The US troops in Germany are at war?
Even the cold war has been over nearly 17 years.

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-03-2006, 10:15 AM
I feel sorry for people like boutons who are too stupid to see the similarities between Naziism and radical Islam.

Seriously, maybe it's time you log off the political forum junior.

boutons_
09-03-2006, 10:27 AM
Saddam's Iraq was a secular country, was not part of the jihad or international jihadist terror.

Now the jihadists are either in Iraq and/or supporting it from the outside, to combat the American imperialism and oil-grab, as well as the Repug's Iraq war being a huge recruiting tool for jihadism, pushing moderate Muslim from the sidelines into the fray.
All the talk that anti-Repug dissent = Nazi appeasement has totally fooled dickless dumbshits like AHF.

You're doing a heckuva job, dubya.

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-03-2006, 11:09 AM
Damnit to hell, the bad guys are going to Iraq to fight (and die) against heavily armed US troops instead of coming to America and highjacking planes of civilians and flying them into buildings or strapping explosives to themselves and blowing up buses, restaurants, subways, etc.

What the fuck is Bush thinking? :lol


All the talk that anti-Repug dissent = Nazi appeasement has totally fooled dickless dumbshits like AHF.

:wtf

Rumsfeld is comparing radical Islam to Naziism. Are you really that fucking stupid?

While I think Rumsfeld is a shitty military leader, his point about those who want to cut and run from Iraq and the Mideast and comparing it to those who didn't want to do anything about the Nazi movement at the onset of WWII is valid.

Maybe if you were literate enough to read a history book and smart enough to get something out of it, you could see the similarities between the two movements.

boutons_
09-03-2006, 11:14 AM
"Rumsfeld is "

... following the Rove 2006 election game plan: slime dissenters against the phony Repug war as Nazi appeasers.

If you were paying any attention, you'd see the Shiites and Sunnis are slaughering each other in the their full-blown civil war, they aren't attacking the US military nor the US itself.

Once the US leaves, then the US will have recruitted one more oil-rich (they WILL fix the oil wells after the US leaves), Islamist/Shiite country aligned with Iran against the US and financing/recruiting for the war on USA/Israel.

You're doing a heckuva job, dubya.

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-03-2006, 11:34 AM
If you were paying any attention, you'd see the Shiites and Sunnis are slaughering each other in the their full-blown civil war, they aren't attacking the US military nor the US itself.

If you were paying attention, they've been fighting for 1500 years against one another.

If you were paying attention, 'Rummy' isn't talking about the Shia and Sunnis fighting each other, he's talking about the Al Qaeda radislam fundamentalists and those aligned with them.

If you knew jack shit about anything, you'd recognize radical Islam for what it is - the 21st century version of Naziism.

Hook Dem
09-03-2006, 12:09 PM
Boutons is a sick brainwashed individual!

Hook Dem
09-03-2006, 12:26 PM
I see you repugs didn't read the title of the thread--or blatantly chose to ignore it. How Ironic :lol
Is that you Boutons Jr.?

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-03-2006, 12:29 PM
I see you repugs didn't read the title of the thread--or blatantly chose to ignore it. How Ironic

Let's see, I'm not a Dubya sucker.

As for the 'red-stater' comment, Texas is a red state, so why is anyone who lives in Texas reading it?

SA210
09-03-2006, 12:50 PM
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/livindeadboi/animated_bush_smokej.gif

Ocotillo
09-03-2006, 02:22 PM
Bush has wasted treasure and lives with his incompetence.

Shame on every damn one of you who voted that clueless twit into office.

01Snake
09-03-2006, 02:33 PM
Like he didn't want any "repugs" to read his post.

mookie2001
09-03-2006, 04:13 PM
just the dimmm o craps

Dimm-O-Crap
09-03-2006, 04:41 PM
just the dimmm o craps

You got that right!

mookie2001
09-03-2006, 04:45 PM
isnt it odd that TRO, joccheehcejajaam and xray all spell it "di-M-M", i mean "dim" like light has one m, and "democrat" has one m too

willie
09-03-2006, 05:43 PM
it's official. partisans are some dumb motherfuckers.

clambake
09-03-2006, 05:46 PM
I want to thank bush for tricking all those terrorist into coming to Iraq.

Unfortunately, all terror cells before the Iraq invasion remain. Apparently, the terrorist who came to Iraq were inspired to become terrorist.

Who says Bush never built anything.

willie
09-03-2006, 05:48 PM
yeah bush created the crazy fuckers who will blow themselves up for allah. dumb war but lets come up with the real reasons.

Ya Vez
09-03-2006, 06:32 PM
wasn't 911 before we were ever in iraq... the first WTC bombing, bombings of the cole, and the african embassies didn't all that happen before bush was in office... or was he firing missles at empty tents in afghanastan and asprin factories in africa...

George Gervin's Afro
09-03-2006, 10:52 PM
If you were paying attention, they've been fighting for 1500 years against one another.

If you were paying attention, 'Rummy' isn't talking about the Shia and Sunnis fighting each other, he's talking about the Al Qaeda radislam fundamentalists and those aligned with them.

If you knew jack shit about anything, you'd recognize radical Islam for what it is - the 21st century version of Naziism.


so then why the need to fight in iraq? look most people thankfullly have woken up and realized Iraq is not necessarily a part of the war on terror with radical islam. this sort of follows along bush's "they will follow us home.." remark. you said it yourself they are fighting eachother.. see you may think your real smart and play your word games but you just made my liberal argument. Iraq serves no purpose in a fight with radical islam considering there are far more radical govt's than saddam's was... this just does not make sense man.... you must have to complete an intellectual contortion to align the iraq war with radical islam..I am glad that the Iaq war is issue #1 this election cylcle too bad it's 2 yrs to late.

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-03-2006, 11:04 PM
Right, because the only bad guys in Iraq are Shi'ites and Sunnis fighting with each other. There's no AQ bad guys killing Shi'ities and Sunnis trying to spark a civil war, and definitely no bad guys killing American troops to achieve victory in the mold of Vietnam - keep killing Americans until the media and people in America call for the troops to come home.

Word games? You've got those down pat.

George Gervin's Afro
09-03-2006, 11:40 PM
Right, because the only bad guys in Iraq are Shi'ites and Sunnis fighting with each other. There's no AQ bad guys killing Shi'ities and Sunnis trying to spark a civil war, and definitely no bad guys killing American troops to achieve victory in the mold of Vietnam - keep killing Americans until the media and people in America call for the troops to come home.

Word games? You've got those down pat.

now if i am to follow your train of thought our GIs are bait to the bad AQ guys? am i right?

well since we can't kill all of those radical islamists what exactly is the rest of th course bush speaks of? i hear all of the chickenhawks on the radio and in the white house to say that we are taking the fight to them.. if there are 2 billion muslims and roughly 10% are "islamo facists" we are looking at 200 million folks.. are we going to kill all of them? or are we winning their hearts and minds by invading other muslim countries? starting a war with a muslim country who was not in the top 3 in the islamo facist world was a good idea?

willie
09-04-2006, 01:14 AM
so the crazy fuckers who will kill themselves to kill us are a real threat. how about we mobilize the same kind of spirit to protect this country against evil hurricanes? 9-11 resulted in nearly 3,000 dead. katrina left 1,600 dead. but traders and bankers are far more important than cooks and waiters, yknow?

boutons_
09-04-2006, 06:07 AM
I love the predictable, deep rigid ruts the confused thoughts of right-wing rabble run in.

WARNING: the following points are beyond the intellectual refininement of right-wing bird-brains.

Repugs do not equal USA

.... dissenting against the Repugs is not hating the USA nor treasonous unpatriotism.

Phony Repug Iraq war does not equal war on terrorism

... and the majority of American people have gotten that message. Dissenting against the Repug Iraq does mean, as Rove's slime-bots (eg, Rummy) insist repeatedly, that one is appeasing the terrists, nor against the war on terr.

"WASHINGTON, Aug. 22 * Americans increasingly see the war in Iraq as distinct from the fight against terrorism, and nearly half believe President Bush has focused too much on Iraq to the exclusion of other threats, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

The poll found that 51 percent of those surveyed saw no link between the war in Iraq and the broader antiterror effort, a jump of 10 percentage points since June. That increase comes despite the regular insistence of Mr. Bush and Congressional Republicans that the two are intertwined and should be seen as complementary elements of a strategy to prevent domestic terrorism."

<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/republican_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org>

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Other polls will undoubtedly confirm and reinforce the above as increasing number of Americans come around to the piles of shit they been handed by the Repugs for 6 years.

One by one, the Repug lies and distortions believed by many people of good will in the USA who wanted to believe the Their President are being exposed as WHIG/Repugs lies besmirching the the presidency, the USA, and wasting the US military.

Yes, Rummy is sliming those dissenting against the war in Iraq as being pro-terrorist and anti-America and Nazi-appeasers, but only because Rummy supports and repeats the lies that Iraq = war on terror and Repugs = USA.

Dre_7
09-04-2006, 06:28 AM
it's official. partisans are some dumb motherfuckers.

Amen!

Partisans on both sides are blind fools.

sickdsm
09-04-2006, 09:53 AM
why do you start debates if you can't fucking respond when someone calls you and your bullshit out boutons?


Grow a set instead of turning tail like a bitch when someone has a good rebuttal.