Is it time for the UN to go?

[Crookshanks]

In light of the remarks made yesterday by the whack job from Iran and the pig from Venezuela, and the response of the other delegates, is it time for the US to kick out the UN?

The US pays 22% of the costs of the UN, why in the world should taxpayers support the kind of hatred that is spewed towards us from the delegates of other countries.

Maybe they should move the UN to Europe. What are your thoughts?

[DFW Spurs]

Just because diplomats talk about the US? No the UN should stay, its just grand stading. Unfortunately it’s become a soapbox and not as a way to govern the world body. The UN will become obsolete if it doesn’t grow a back bone. The question should be can the UN become a legitimate institution again?

[nkdlunch]

The UN is a tool the US often uses for their goals to expand their empire. YEah it has it's drawbacks, but US get's it's money's worth

[MaNuMaNiAc]

In light of the remarks made yesterday by the whack job from Iran and the pig from Venezuela, and the response of the other delegates, is it time for the US to kick out the UN?

The US pays 22% of the costs of the UN, why in the world should taxpayers support the kind of hatred that is spewed towards us from the delegates of other countries.

Maybe they should move the UN to Europe. What are your thoughts?I don't get it, throw the UN out because other countries disagree with the US?? what do you think that 22% of the budget is for? buying other countries' support?? Look, I don't agree with either of those sons of bitches, but what you're saying is moronic!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

The UN is a tool the US often uses for their goals to expand their empire. YEah it has it's drawbacks, but US get's it's money's worthempire? http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif come on! I do agree the UN is the US' puppet. That is why it has lost much of its credibility and stature as peace keeping entity, but lets not get carried away here.

[clambake]

Did you see and hear the reaction these two guys got from the rest of the delegates from around the world?

These two guys make us look like a bunch of monkeys fucking a football!

( a movie quote that seems appropriate)

[ChumpDumper]

In light of the remarks made yesterday by the whack job from Iran and the pig from Venezuela, and the response of the other delegates, is it time for the US to kick out the UN?

The US pays 22% of the costs of the UN, why in the world should taxpayers support the kind of hatred that is spewed towards us from the delegates of other countries.:lol Is this the first time you heard the US bad-mouthed in the UN? You would've given up the Cold War when Krushchev banged his shoe on the table.
Maybe they should move the UN to Europe. What are your thoughts?It's not like we'd pay any less to the UN. I do agree that demolishing the obsolete UN building should happen. Whether they choose to stay or we choose for them to stay is another matter. If they stay, they should move to Hoboken or Secaucus.

[nkdlunch]

empire? http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif come on! I do agree the UN is the US' puppet. That is why it has lost much of its credibility and stature as peace keeping entity, but lets not get carried away here.

u gotta be in a sorry state if you don't think the US is an empire. Economically mostly, but there are recent hints this will change dramatically.

[johnsmith]

u gotta be in a sorry state if you don't think the US is an empire. Economically mostly, but there are recent hints this will change dramatically.


Does this mean that we are going to start taking over country's? Sweet, the sun never sets on the American empire...........look, I'm pretty sure that we aren't going to go and actually "take over" any nations any time soon, even though our recent actions would compel a conspiracy theorist and America haters to shout that we indeed are, I'm pretty sure that is not our intention..........not even in Iraq.

What's with all the stupid theories here today?

[johnsmith]

u gotta be in a sorry state if you don't think the US is an empire. Economically mostly, but there are recent hints this will change dramatically.


Furthermore, if we are an economic empire (which is just stupid seeing as how we so heavily rely on foreign trade to keep our economy running), then good for us. We've done well.

[nkdlunch]

Does this mean that we are going to start taking over country's?

:lmao :lmao

have you heard of Iraq and Afghanistan??

[nkdlunch]

Furthermore, if we are an economic empire (which is just stupid seeing as how we so heavily rely on foreign trade to keep our economy running), then good for us. We've done well.

of course good for us. Just pointing out the fact that we use tools like the UN to make more $$

[01Snake]

:lmao :lmao

have you heard of Iraq and Afghanistan??

Yep, we sure are in those countries with the intention of setting up shop and calling it part of the US. :rolleyes

[nkdlunch]

Yep, we sure are in those countries with the intention of setting up shop

correct


and calling it part of the US. :rolleyes

we don't need to. Why complicate ourselves. We can still reap the benefits without the complications

[johnsmith]

correct



we don't need to. Why complicate ourselves. We can still reap the benefits without the complications


That was my point, we aren't there to occupy Iraq and take the country over. Here, go to www.conspiracytheory.org and have a wonderful time.

[01Snake]

correct



we don't need to. Why complicate ourselves. We can still reap the benefits without the complications

I can see those benefits rolling in as we speak. Also, when can I expect the US to get all the oil in Iraq? That is why we went there isn't it? :lol

[nkdlunch]

I got a website for you guys www.indenial.com :D

[smeagol]

In light of the remarks made yesterday by the whack job from Iran and the pig from Venezuela, and the response of the other delegates, is it time for the US to kick out the UN?

The US pays 22% of the costs of the UN, why in the world should taxpayers support the kind of hatred that is spewed towards us from the delegates of other countries.

Maybe they should move the UN to Europe. What are your thoughts?
Instead of exiting the UN, the US should focus on the reasons why fucking morons such as Chavez and the Iranian president get cheers from the audience when they bash Bush.

[ChumpDumper]

Because they're with the terrorists! All those guys who clapped are getting invaded next.

[DarkReign]

Something bothers me greatly about foreign leaders bashing America on American soil and getting cheers from other foreigners.

Sorry if that bothers you, that it bothers me.

[ChumpDumper]

Technically, it's not American soil.

[DarkReign]

Technically, it's not American soil.

Technically true. Point taken.

[ChumpDumper]

If the UN is so hard up for money, 18 acres of riverfront property in midtown Manhattan could certainly bring in some serious coin.

[Crookshanks]

Another point - these dignitaries come here and enjoy all the pleasures of NYC (restaurants, hotels, theater, and probably some illicit pleasures also), then they turn around and bash us and our capitalistic economy that provides all those pleasures!

[ChumpDumper]

So you're saying politicians can be disingenuous?

Shocking.

[xrayzebra]

Don't forget they do a damn good job of selling Christmas
cards every year for UNICEF. Of course most of them are
non-christian. Oh, by the way. did anyone notice that
two of the heads of state that spoke yesterday and today said prayers while
speaking. One even crossed himself. And neither was Bush. Hmmmmm, is that
legal according to OUR courts? And some on this
board.

[DarkReign]

So you're saying politicians can be disingenuous?

Shocking.

:lmao

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Don't forget they do a damn good job of selling Christmas
cards every year for UNICEF. Of course most of them are
non-christian. Oh, by the way. did anyone notice that
two of the heads of state that spoke yesterday and today said prayers while
speaking. One even crossed himself. And neither was Bush. Hmmmmm, is that
legal according to OUR courts? And some on this
board.WTF does being christian have anything to do with what we're talking about here? and HTF do YOUR courts have any saying in other countries' representative's religion?? are you on something?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Another point - these dignitaries come here and enjoy all the pleasures of NYC (restaurants, hotels, theater, and probably some illicit pleasures also), then they turn around and bash us and our capitalistic economy that provides all those pleasures!yes, I'm sure they are the only hypocrite politicians you've ever heard of huh?

[RandomGuy]

The part the US should take notice is the clapping and the cheering by other UN members [at Hugo Chavez' speech] --Smeagol



A direct result of 6 years of failed Bush foreign policy.

Bush's short sighted policies are having an effect I predicted, and this effect will only get worse over time, until someone with a better understanding of the world takes the oval office.

People and governments who don't actively support terrorism, will be inclined less and less to actively help us root out those who would do us harm.

I am not talking about official policy to tacitly help terrorists. But rather the actions of individuals who don't like us to not check passports as closely, or to allow overt access to our law enforcement officials. Individuals who slowly over time gain a more and more negative view of our country will do less and less to help us.

Collectively that adds up to a lot more freedom of action for Al Qaeda to operate.

In this, Bush has made us less secure by his actions, and will continue to make us less secure as time goes by.

Those who think that Iraq is "giving the terrorists a platform" to attack troops instead of attacking us here, are partially right. It IS giving them a platform, and a highly visible one, from which to "prove" that they are right about us. The true impact of the bad PR will be felt long down the road.

When that time comes, as it I know it will, the culpability will be DIRECTLY attributable to the Bush presidency.

[clambake]

Write on, RandomGuy!

If you don't think our actions have compelled people to embrace terror, then your simply jaded.

[RandomGuy]

Write on, RandomGuy!

If you don't think our actions have compelled people to embrace terror, then your simply jaded.

My point exactly.

Beyond even the few who actively take up the cause, you have the MUCH larger numbner who tacitly support by simple inaction.

It reminds me of the saying:

"All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to stand by and do nothing."

[Ozzman]

also reminds me of when I was at the dentist this morning. I was thinking about some deep stuff and I was like dipping in and out of consciousness and I came out with this: peace is not appeasing people or running from your problems or burying your head in the sand. it is being strong and clear in what you stand for and then negotiating with people until you reach common ground and then build upon that ground. AND that you can resolve conflict such as Jesus christ did, OR you can create conflict, such as jesus once did, because conflict can be a good thing for a group of people or a nation, sometimes. The important thing to remember is that you must THINK before you talk with other nations, and you must know the people of with you negotiate.

I also managed to come out with this:
Well, if you believe in the big bang, this can apply to you. the big bang happend, right so some believe. Well, every action has an equal and opposite reaction, right?? well, if you think about it, what was the action that caused these objects to collide and make the universe? how could it have happened without the presence of a god to make those particular two items to collide? therefore almost proving god.

AND, so the universe has and is made out of energy, right?? and humans are energy as well right? so in that idea, then we don't die, we just turn to another form of energy, right??

[clambake]

Yes, there is a God. He created everything, including the UN. He also created the sentence that I just wrote.

[Ozzman]

he also created the meatloaf I ate last night.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think the UN should go, but it's not because of their petty hate of Bush.

Off the top of my head:

1. Hypocrits about policing the world - see Rwanda massacres, what's going on in Africa today.

2. Their movement to rid the world of fire arms (yes folks, they want to do away with our right to bear arms).

3. They have no backbone to enforce their resolutions. Looked the other way with Iraq, Iran is in defiance of a UN resolution but they let Ahmedinidumbass speak? :wtf

4. Food for Oil. The greatest embezzlement of humanitarian funds in world history, all with the knowledge and involvement of the president of the UN

5. Several of the members of the UN Human Rights Committee are in violation of.... UN human rights resolutions. Talk about the inmates running the asylum.

6. Israel - Palestine. If the sitting members of the UN had their way about things, Israel would be gone and Palestine would be in its place.

And finally, I resent the hell out of the fact that when they need help, they put out their hands and ask for money and manpower from the US, but the moment we ask for help (after 9/11), few want to help out.

The UN had its purpose in the immediacy of WWII, but is basically a paper tiger in today's world.

NATO is much more relevant and dependable, and it's a joke how much we spend on the UN every year relative to what we get back out of it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

People and governments who don't actively support terrorism, will be inclined less and less to actively help us root out those who would do us harm.

It's not because of what Bush did. It's because people sat and watched things like the Madrid train bombings and London subway attacks and realized that if they stand beside us, they get attacked. If they stay out of the way, the terrorists leave them alone... for now.

The sad thing is they don't see the Islamists moving into Europe and taking over their countries, slowly, methodically, to the point where any slight ruffling of Muslim feathers results in stuff like Van Gogh getting his throat slashed, the riots in France last year, etc.

History will show that Bush and his administration actually saw the forecoming problem with radical Islam and tried to do something about it, but no one else was interested.

Unfortunately that decision is going to mean your generation, my generation, our children, etc. will bear the price (with pocketbooks and our lives) for that lack of action.

[boutons_]

"radical Islam and tried to do something about it"

There were no radical Islamists in Saddam's secular Iraq.

Not only was "do something about it" Iraq the wrong target, dubya "did" Iraq extremely poorly, ensuring the failure that we see now.

dubya/dickheads/rummy's Iraq disaster will kill more US military than OBL killed people at WTC. And will costs the USA $1T, for NO benefits.

But you rabble and sheeple keep sucking dubya and his accomplices.

[jochhejaam]

FWIW, a poll taken on Fox's website asked posed the question;
"Should the U.S. stop funding the United Nations"?

Yes - 84,889 Total of 94%

No - 4,346 Total of 5%

The rest unsure.

http://www.foxnews.com/studiob/

[ChumpDumper]

FWIWNot much.

[smeagol]

I think the UN should go, but it's not because of their petty hate of Bush.

Thank God, because anybody who thinks the UN should go simply because an idiotic man insulted W and some clowns cheered, he/she should have their head examined.

In any case, as I said before, Americans should try to understand the reasons why Bush was bashed.



1. Hypocrits about policing the world - see Rwanda massacres, what's going on in Africa today.

No hipocricy in the US' foriegn policy :rolleyes


2. Their movement to rid the world of fire arms (yes folks, they want to do away with our right to bear arms).

Uuhhhh! How terrible!!!


3. They have no backbone to enforce their resolutions. Looked the other way with Iraq, Iran is in defiance of a UN resolution but they let Ahmedinidumbass speak? :wtf

Agreed


4. Food for Oil. The greatest embezzlement of humanitarian funds in world history, all with the knowledge and involvement of the president of the UN

And there is no corruption in the US government. Gimme a fucking break.


5. Several of the members of the UN Human Rights Committee are in violation of.... UN human rights resolutions. Talk about the inmates running the asylum.

Agreed.

[smeagol]

FWIW, a poll taken on Fox's website asked posed the question;
"Should the U.S. stop funding the United Nations"?

Yes - 84,889 Total of 94%

No - 4,346 Total of 5%

The rest unsure.

http://www.foxnews.com/studiob/
BS poll.

[PixelPusher]

Some other Fox News polls:


"Should CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer be authorized to torture Gitmo prisoners?"

Yes - 84,889 Total of 94%

No - 4,346 Total of 5%

The rest unsure.


"When the U.S. invades Iran, should nuclear strikes be limited to Iranian military sites?"

Yes - 84,889 Total of 5%

No - 4,346 Total of 94%

The rest unsure.


"Should President Bush suspend elections and declare martial law indefinitely until all terrorism in the world has been wiped out?"

Yes - 84,889 Total of 94%

No - 4,346 Total of 5%

The rest unsure.

...I kid FOX news.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

There were no radical Islamists in Saddam's secular Iraq.

Signed, the Shi'ites and Kurds who were massacred by a Sunni-led Ba'athist party under Saddam.

Damn you're stupid boutons.



Uuhhhh! How terrible!!!

smeagol, one of the tenants of the Constitution of the United States is the right to bear arms.

Will all due respect, anyone who wants to do away with that right can kiss my ass, and the day the UN tries to override one of the fundamental aspects of our Bill of Rights they can go fuck themselves.



And there is no corruption in the US government. Gimme a fucking break.

There's corruption in every government. I guess we should all just lie back and take it while they screw the common man?


No hipocricy in the US' foriegn policy

And on this I'll agree with you, Clinton stood by and fired some cruise missiles in Afghanistan while hundreds of thousands were massacred. Bush has let some of this stuff slide on his watch too and that's unforgiveable.

[Yonivore]

The obvious answer to the question that is the subject line of this thread is, "yes."

The United States of America gains absolutely nothing from the organization. In fact, we devote way too many resources to the outfit only to have the honor of watching tinhorn dictators come from around the world to bash our country.

Let them move it to Venezuela, we'll turn in our membership card.

[Guru of Nothing]

FWIW, a poll taken on Fox's website asked posed the question;
"Should the U.S. stop funding the United Nations"?

Yes - 84,889 Total of 94%

No - 4,346 Total of 5%

The rest unsure.

http://www.foxnews.com/studiob/

Let's just say I'm laughing AT you.

[leemajors]

"even after it was revealed in 1951 that the UN, using our own soldiers under UN command and the UN flag, in collusion with our traitorous state department and the pentagon, had been invading many small towns in california and texas in order to perfect their plan for the complete takeover of our country, most people brushed it off and continued to believe that the UN is the holy of holies.
the question of how and why the united nations is the crux of the great conspiracy to destroy the soveirgnty of the United States and the enslavement of the american people within a one world dictatorship is a complete and unkown mystery to the vast majority of the american people.
the reason for this unawareness to the frightening danger to our country and to the entire free world is that the masterminds behind this great conspiracy have complete and total control of mass communications media - especially television, the radio, the press, and hollywood. we all know that our state department, the pentagon, the white house brazenly proclaim that they have the right and the power to manage the news - to tell us not the truth, but what they want us to believe. they have seized that power on the supported borders from their masters in the great conspiracy. and the objective is to brainwash the people into accepting the phony peace state and transform the united states into a enslaved unit of the united nations one world government. first of all, bear in mind that the so called UN police action in korea, supported by the US, in which 150,000 of our sons were murdered and maimed, was part of the plot, just as the undeclared by congress war in vietnam, in which our sons are dying is also part of the plot. just as conspiracy against rhodesia in south africa, in which our sons will be dying, is part of the plot. however, the vitally important thing for all americans, all you mothers to know, is that our so called leaders in washington, who we elected to defend the constituion, are the betrayers."

sorry i had to transcribe that, it was a very long sample in a DXT song. but regardless, the progression of conspiracy theories in the last few decades is interesting. first the UN was taking over the US with the government's consent, now the UN is the puppet of the US.

[smeagol]

smeagol, one of the tenants of the Constitution of the United States is the right to bear arms.

Will all due respect, anyone who wants to do away with that right can kiss my ass, and the day the UN tries to override one of the fundamental aspects of our Bill of Rights they can go fuck themselves.

Aggie, many Americans want to control and regulate the use of guns.

The Constitution was written 200 years ago, different reality.

The fact that any moron has the "right" to bear arms, is scary.

[jochhejaam]

Aggie, many Americans want to control and regulate the use of guns.

The Constitution was written 200 years ago, different reality.

The fact that any moron has the "right" to bear arms, is scary.
We do not discriminate against morons in our Country.

In the big picture the U.N. is not a major player. In and of itself it doesn't pose a threat to the U.S. It's the individual Countries with Nuclear capabilities and philosophically unstable leaders (I'll mention that some believe Bush falls into this category and save some of you from having to submit a post) that pose a threat to the entire free world.
Add to that threat the multiplied millions of proactive people who share the philosophy of these leaders and the threat of annihilation becomes Global. No one in any Country is safe, including the citizens that populate the Nations of those that were cheering and applauding Hugo's maniacal rant.

Watch out folks, Armageddon may be right around the corner.

[RandomGuy]

Something bothers me greatly about foreign leaders bashing America on American soil and getting cheers from other foreigners.

Sorry if that bothers you, that it bothers me.

I think it speaks more of our commitment to our ideals. Not that I agree with anything said, but the fact that we are big enough to let it be said, takes no small amount of wind out of Chavez's remarks.

[RandomGuy]

FWIW, a poll taken on Fox's website asked posed the question;
"Should the U.S. stop funding the United Nations"?

Yes - 84,889 Total of 94%

No - 4,346 Total of 5%

The rest unsure.

http://www.foxnews.com/studiob/


:lol
"For what it is worth".

Not much. Web based polls on a politically slanted website are the farthest thing from "fair and balanced", regardless of the particular slant.

What it IS worth is how effective evangelicals are at pushing the idea that the UN is the anti-christ. Most who oppose the UN don't really know about that hidden motivation in a lot of anti-UN propaganda.

The "take our guns" thing is a good example.

Africa has a number of "child armies". These abominations kill parents, kidnap kids and force them to be soldier/slaves and make them do unspeakable things. They are fed by small arms dealers who don't really care about what happens to the weapons they sell.

The UN, in an attempt to diminish the power of these "child armies" holds a conference and suggests that the international community do something about the free flow of arms.

This conference is then held up and distorted as a UN effort to "git our guns".

All of the anti-UN stuff about UN invasions of American soil etc. follow similar patterns. UN does something, and that something is taken massively out of context. The conspiracy stuff never holds up under actual scrutiny.

[nkdlunch]

FWIW, a poll taken on Fox's website asked posed the question;
"Should the U.S. stop funding the United Nations"?

Yes - 84,889 Total of 94%

No - 4,346 Total of 5%

The rest unsure.

http://www.foxnews.com/studiob/

FOX :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Aggie, many Americans want to control and regulate the use of guns.

The Constitution was written 200 years ago, different reality.

The fact that any moron has the "right" to bear arms, is scary.


Look, I don't by any means feel gun rights advocates are justified in Americans having access to automatic weapons, .50 calibers, etc.

But rifles, shotguns, and semi-auto hand guns? Katrina showed everyone that when the shit hits the fan, there's not near enough police to take care of any problems that arise.

Further, some asshole breaks into my place at 3 AM, what happens if I don't have a way to defend myself? Call 911? It'll be all over but the toe tag and autopsy by the time the cops show up.

Along the same lines, one day I'll have a family. Same deal, someone breaks in and it's all going to be over before dispatch can even get a cop on route. Not my idea of protecting myself or my family. I'll take my 12 gauge and take care of myself, thank you.

I guess you can chalk up the different perspective to living in Texas vs. some other country, I dunno.

As to your assertion that there's a lot of people in the US who want gun control, yeah, we call them extreme liberals. And again, there is a difference between me not being able to pick up an Uzi at Wal-mart and what the UN wants - complete disarmament of all private citizens in all countries world wide, leaving... wait for it... federal armies as the only ones with weapons.

No potential for abuse of power there :rolleyes

That's also why the second amendment was written into our Bill of Rights, to keep shit like that from going down.