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Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 02:27 PM
Remember this guy?


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050116/050116_brobbins_vmed_11a.widec.jpg

How can we forget those who have graced the mecca that is the Bexar County Jail?

ducks
09-27-2006, 02:29 PM
I wish for our sake that you'd shut the fuck up.
Dan Patrick show on ESPN. The 49ers and Eagles both asked TO to get a mental evaluation but refused

ducks
09-27-2006, 02:30 PM
Terrel Owens, if he does have mental health issues, is the less violent version of Ron Artest in a nutshell.

I wish for their sake, and their family's sake, if they DO have mental problems, to PLEASE get help, and use the medication prescribed.
Dan Patrick show on ESPN. The 49ers and Eagles both asked TO to get a mental evaluation but refused

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:31 PM
This, unfortunately feels like one of those stories, where you won't get the whole story, and it makes you question, if we really SHOULD know the whole story.

kskonn
09-27-2006, 02:31 PM
Dan Patrick show on ESPN. The 49ers and Eagles both asked TO to get a mental evaluation but refused

yea they have been saying that all day. they had a couple of ex players on the show and they all asked, why was this never brought up during the philly saga, and that it seemed awfly opportunistic to bring it up now.

GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
09-27-2006, 02:32 PM
Insane, Bob Ley says he caught passes TODAY

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 02:32 PM
T.O. caught passes at practice today.

I wonder why nobody thought to simply ask that question of Parcells, because I did not hear that basic question asked.

Even if you think you know the answer to the question, you ASK the question.

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 02:33 PM
T.O. caught passes at practice today.

I wonder why nobody thought to simply ask that question of Parcells, because I did not hear that basic question asked.

Even if you think you know the answer to the question, you ASK the question.

Because Bill Parcells especially is not going to volunteer information.

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:34 PM
Dan Patrick show on ESPN. The 49ers and Eagles both asked TO to get a mental evaluation but refused




Yeah they just said that here on ESPN TV.

If true, the similarities, mental health wise, to Ron Artest, are uncanny.

Ron Artest, with a bit of Dennis Rodman thrown in. If you remember right, Rodman was found in the parking lot of the Palace, with a shotgun, and I believe said something, or something or other he wanted to commit suicide.

Rodman unfortunately, IMO, still hasn't addressed his mental health issues.

kskonn
09-27-2006, 02:34 PM
Unfortunately this is like getting accused of rape, even if you did not do it no one will ever look at you the same. TO can tell the truth and he is screwed, he can lie and he is screwed. He could deny that philly and San Fran asked for physciatric evaluation and people would automatically not believe him. It sucks.

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 02:34 PM
Everybody avoiding the fact that nobody asked the guy that could say whether or not he practiced.

Clayton should say: Was he able to catch passes like a guy who tried to commit suicide?

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:35 PM
Here he is right now, pretty sweaty.

Apologizes for the "distraction".

"There was no suicide attempt"

kskonn
09-27-2006, 02:36 PM
Because Bill Parcells especially is not going to volunteer information.

that is pretty funny, you answered yourself. :lol and quoted yourself.

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:36 PM
"The pill bottle was empty, the pills were seperated into a drawer"


"Alot of people were asking me alot of questions, I really wasn't coherent"

MosesGuthrie
09-27-2006, 02:36 PM
Sounds like he is saying his publicist overreacted.

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:38 PM
Im sure the media MIGHT try the steroids angle.

"Suppliments"

MosesGuthrie
09-27-2006, 02:38 PM
I just listened to the press conference (Bill's) and I didn't think he was testy or anything like that. He's always done that and for Bill, that seems to be nice.

I think he was frustrated because he didn't know all the info and he had to keep saying that.

GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
09-27-2006, 02:39 PM
Here he is right now, pretty sweaty.

Apologizes for the "distraction".

"There was no suicide attempt"

Said he was just working out with Bledsoe and Romo, so that could explain the sweat

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:39 PM
Yeah Moses, sounds like the publicist saw an empty bottle, and just ran with it.

Looks like its one big unfortunate missunderstanding.

"Hydrocodone" I don't know the exact spelling of that, but I took that for pain from kidney stones in the winter, and thats good stuff if you want to kill pain :lol

MosesGuthrie
09-27-2006, 02:39 PM
Now the publicist..

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 02:41 PM
Ah, anybody else jonesing for the fight between Kim and the DPD that's about to start?

MosesGuthrie
09-27-2006, 02:41 PM
schweet.

ducks
09-27-2006, 02:44 PM
maybe now the dude can get a break


dude got lots of breaks
got a big ass contract with forty-niners
got traded
acted like an ass
got to go to the dallas cowboys and got big ass money

how many breaks does this mental guy need?

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:44 PM
Yeah, the more we hear, the more it looks like, we are never gonna know the truth.

His publicist says she never said he was depressed, and the police report says she did.

Its he said she said.

We will never know.


Its prob for the best. Its a matter that really shouldn't be for the public knowledge.

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:46 PM
how many breaks does this mental guy need?


How about not assuming things about the guy, from all the BS you hear in the media.


The news has gotten to the point of nowadays, you can't believe ANYTHING you hear, as opposed to EVERYTHING.

MosesGuthrie
09-27-2006, 02:46 PM
Why were 35 pills in a drawer?

GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
09-27-2006, 02:46 PM
Looks like this will get swept under the ol rug

DirkAB
09-27-2006, 02:46 PM
Im sure the media MIGHT try the steroids angle.

"Suppliments"


Good one, how you connected the dots between steriods and him taking supplements is beyond me. Jerkoffs like you start rumors.

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:46 PM
Sounds like he had the pills seperated into a pill box kinda deal, were you take two at this time and three at this time and what not.

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:47 PM
Good one, how you connected the dots between steriods and him taking supplements is beyond me. Jerkoffs like you start rumors.


Read what I said again.

I said the MEDIA.

I even put it in caps.

gospursgojas
09-27-2006, 02:48 PM
I wouldn't put it passed ESPN to try a steroids angle

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 02:48 PM
Good one, how you connected the dots between steriods and him taking supplements is beyond me. Jerkoffs like you start rumors.

I usually dislike when TPark goes after the media, but all he said was that he can see where some members of the media might try to connect those dots.

He didn't say he had done so, so you might want to rethink your statement.

DirkAB
09-27-2006, 02:50 PM
Read what I said again.

I said the MEDIA.

I even put it in caps.


You put MIGHT in caps, not media. Why even bring that stupid shit up? Nobody is going to run with that garbage, especially when they have a BS attempted suicide to run with. IMO, it was a really stupid thing to even bring up.

GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
09-27-2006, 02:52 PM
So T.O. is claiming that he did not get his stomach pumped? (Correct me if I'm wrong)
If he infact took 35 pills he would of had his stomach pumped, and either way he wouldn't be allowed to leave the hospital this morning.

DirkAB
09-27-2006, 02:52 PM
I usually dislike when TPark goes after the media, but all he said was that he can see where some members of the media might try to connect those dots.

He didn't say he had done so, so you might want to rethink your statement.


Wasn't saying he was accusing him, wasn't my point. The fact that he even brought it up at this point seems ridiculous to me, especially when they have this bogus suicide attempt to run with.

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:52 PM
Nobody is going to run with that garbage, especially when they have a BS attempted suicide to run with. IMO, it was a really stupid thing to even bring up.


You can think what you want.

Mark my words, SOMEONE will bring it up. that POSSIBLY, this MIGHT have something to do with steroids.

I apologize if you think IM thinking that. Im not, IMO Terrel Owens is a physical speciman of the ilk of David Robinson, in that he works hard to maintain himself, and does nothing of the illegal ilk.

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 02:53 PM
You put MIGHT in caps, not media. Why even bring that stupid shit up? Nobody is going to run with that garbage, especially when they have a BS attempted suicide to run with. IMO, it was a really stupid thing to even bring up.

If you really, really don't think somebody out there would try to make the connection (and let's take for a moment the fact that everybody on ESPN today has said that T.O. has never been one for drug use and never been thought to use illegal or abusive drugs), then frankly, you're mistaken.

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:55 PM
The fact that he even brought it up at this point seems ridiculous to me, especially when they have this bogus suicide attempt to run with.

Because they are gonna run out of things this evening and tommarow morning to talk about.

Watch, someone, somewhere will bring up, "Is TO taking steroids, and could that have been the reason for the problems?"

I don't like it, but it will or might happen.

DirkAB
09-27-2006, 02:55 PM
Mark my words, SOMEONE will bring it up. that POSSIBLY, this MIGHT have something to do with steroids.

.


I'll be waiting for you to find it and make a thread about it, send me a PM if I miss it. I doubt that I will see that thread or being hearing from you.

T Park
09-27-2006, 02:57 PM
If they don't then fine, if they do, I will post it.

Im sure someone will post it before me, IF it comes out.


It wouldn't suprise me if it was written though.

DirkAB
09-27-2006, 02:59 PM
I'll be the first person to admit I'm wrong if a T.O. preformance enhancing drugs story comes out of this suicide story. And I'm not talking about some crackpot on a blog or lame shit like that, I'm talking about ESPN worthy.

T Park
09-27-2006, 03:00 PM
Well I'll be sure to clear my calendar and make sure to find that story if it comes out. :rolleyes

johnsmith
09-27-2006, 03:02 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA it was all a misunderstanding..........and look at that TO is still an asshole, dead or alive.

MosesGuthrie
09-27-2006, 03:03 PM
Ok folks, its all over...nothing to see here...resume your TO hate...move along...nothing to see here. :)

MosesGuthrie
09-27-2006, 03:04 PM
Maybe he was just stoned. :smokin

T Park
09-27-2006, 03:04 PM
Yeah, resume hating a person you don't know personally and never will.

Resume also the childish name calling of TO and what not.

MosesGuthrie
09-27-2006, 03:06 PM
Yeah, resume hating a person you don't know personally and never will.

fair or not, people do...I don't agree with it but people have that right.

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 03:07 PM
Threads: 48,173, Posts: 1,138,662, Members: 6,685
Welcome to our newest member, Terrell Owens



I won't be happy until we have a Kim Etheredge troll.

Mr. Peabody
09-27-2006, 03:08 PM
I'll be waiting for you to find it and make a thread about it, send me a PM if I miss it. I doubt that I will see that thread or being hearing from you.

Why is such an allegation out of the realm of possibility? People were already throwing the steroid allegations around when TO hurt his hamstring.

DirkAB
09-27-2006, 03:08 PM
Well I'll be sure to clear my calendar and make sure to find that story if it comes out. :rolleyes


You won't have to search hi and low for it, if the story is out there we'll all hear about it for like a week. The media exagerates and reports everything in the world that is T.O. related, you wouldn't have to even look for it because it will find you. Since the steriods story is inevitable, according to you anyway, I'll be waiting to see it plastered everywhere.

MosesGuthrie
09-27-2006, 03:08 PM
I won't be happy until we have a Kim Etheredge troll.

5....4....3....2....

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 03:10 PM
The media exagerates and reports everything in the world that is T.O. related, you wouldn't have to even look for it because it will find you.

For you to say the above statement and that you don't think they could try and make a connection is contradictory.

T Park
09-27-2006, 03:15 PM
Ya know the whole story is something like youd see on CSI.

All you see is the end result, and theres some rough details about what went on.

Its very very strange, and something we will NEVER know what REALLY went on.


I'll be interested to see if there are any "sources close to" come out and say one way or the other wich was true.

MosesGuthrie
09-27-2006, 03:16 PM
Ya know the whole story is something like youd see on CSI.

Miami, NYC or Vegas? :)

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 03:17 PM
Miami, NYC or Vegas? :)

Deep Ellum.

T Park
09-27-2006, 03:18 PM
Vegas of course.

Can't stand MIami, and NYC is boring.

The shows of course, not the cities.

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 03:19 PM
ESPN's editing of that Parcells conference made Bill look a lot worse than he did.

Oh, and everybody complaining (including me, and I will address a pointed note myself), should e-mail the ESPN Ombud.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=2097428

ducks
09-27-2006, 03:22 PM
Owens denies he tried to kill himself

By JAIME ARON, AP Sports Writer
September 27, 2006

AP - Sep 27, 11:42 am EDT
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DALLAS (AP) -- Flamboyant Dallas Cowboys receiver Terrell Owens denied a police report he attempted suicide, saying he became groggy after mixing painkillers with supplements.

He said Wednesday the confusion likely stemmed from an empty bottle of pain medication found by his publicist, who was with him at the time and called 911. He said the rest of the pills were in a drawer.

"I was non-responsive when she made that call," Owens said. "She made the call out of her judgment for my well-being."

Appearing in a news conference at team headquarters a few hours after leaving a hospital for what a police report described as "a drug overdose," Owens wore workout gear and no bandage on his broken right hand. The star receiver smiled and seemed more amused than peeved at the latest ruckus surrounding him.

Owens blamed a combination of hydrocodone, a generic form of Vicodin, with all-natural supplements for making him ill.

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"It's very unfortunate for it to go from an allergic reaction to a suicide attempt," he said.

Owens was released from the hospital before noon. He flashed a thumbs-up to reporters as he left, went home, then made it to team headquarters in time to catch passes from quarterback Drew Bledsoe.

Rescue workers arrived at Owens' home around 8 p.m. Tuesday and took him to an emergency room. When word spread, publicist Kim Etheredge said it was an allergic reaction.

But the story shifted Wednesday morning when several media outlets received a police report -- that had yet to be released by the authorities -- saying Owens had attempted suicide by overdosing on the painkillers, even putting two more pills into his mouth after an unidentified friend, later identified as Etheredge, intervened.

The police document, first reported by WFAA-TV, said Owens was asked by rescue workers "if he was attempting to harm himself, at which time (he) stated: 'Yes."'
When officially released by police, about half the document was blacked out, including the phrases "attempting suicide by prescription pain medication" and "a drug overdose," as well as the details of Owens having two pills pried from his mouth and Owens saying "Yes" when asked if he intended to harm himself.

"I wasn't coherent as they probably thought I was," Owens said. "A number of people were asking me questions. I don't remember the police officers that were in there or the doctors that were in there."

Owens said he feels capable of playing Sunday in Tennessee, despite this incident and his broken hand. He added that he's "not depressed about anything" and that he expects to practice Thursday.

Etheredge also appeared at Owens' news conference, saying she "did not take anything out of his mouth."

"This is sad," she said. "Terrell had a reaction to different pills, and just to state he was trying to commit suicide it was unfair."

"Terrell has 25 million reasons why he should be alive," she added, referring to the $25 million, three-year contract he signed in March with the Cowboys.

"I'm just upset," Etheredge added. "I feel they take advantage of Terrell. Had this been someone else, this may not have happened."

Dallas police officials declined to comment on Etheredge's denials. "We can't discuss the police report because of privacy laws," said a spokesman, Sgt. Gil Cerda.



Updated
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-cowboys-tosuicideattempt&prov=ap&type=lgns

T Park
09-27-2006, 03:22 PM
Plus they left out the hilarious question about Terry Glenn. :lol

DirkAB
09-27-2006, 03:24 PM
For you to say the above statement and that you don't think they could try and make a connection is contradictory.


I see what you are saying, but again I don't think that anybody will try and make the preformance enhancing drugs connection to this story, the suicide BS is plenty for them to write about. I think that they blow everything out of proportion when it comes to T.O. but I couldn't imagine them trying to turn this into one of those scandals, I think that is a figment of T-Park's imagination. There is nothing like a lab report, witness, or any source suggest any kind of truth to that story, which I think is a required starting point for these types of BS stories, just like today.

T Park
09-27-2006, 03:24 PM
"Terrell has 25 million reasons why he should be alive," she added, referring to the $25 million, three-year contract he signed in March with the Cowboys.



Yeah, I feel thats a little tasteless when it comes to people who DO deal with depression.


There are quite a few people who make great money, are depressed and contemplate suicide.

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 03:24 PM
Terry Glenn cuts himself.

T.O. takes some painkillers.

If Jason Witten starts writing moody poetry, we might need some counselors at Valley Ranch High School.

T Park
09-27-2006, 03:27 PM
I think that is a figment of T-Park's imagination. There is nothing like a lab report, witness, or any source suggest any kind of truth to that story, which I think is a required starting point for these types of BS stories, just like today.


There is reports of "suppliments" being used, the mixing with pain killers, and allergic reaction to the pills and suppliments.

I agree they overblow everything. All I said was, I'm sure, somewhere, some paper, someone will try and become a TV star, and try and connect this to steroids.

I wouldn't totally excuse ESPN from doing it either.

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 03:28 PM
Shouldn't NFL Live say something like...

"Hey, Shaun Alexander wants to play Sunday."

"Hey, Thurman's out the rest of the season...might affect the Cincy defense in November and December."

T Park
09-27-2006, 03:30 PM
Terry Glenn cuts himself.

T.O. takes some painkillers.

If Jason Witten starts writing moody poetry, we might need some counselors at Valley Ranch High School.


:lol

Hopefully Marion Barber doesn't get too down about not yet starting ahead of Julius Jones.

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 03:30 PM
Whoa! Wait a minute!

NFL news on NFL Live!

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Maze/3101/z-533.jpg

T Park
09-27-2006, 03:30 PM
Just did Johnny lol.

T Park
09-27-2006, 03:33 PM
Rome is right on this.

"If TO tried to take his life, would Parcells have worried about Tennessee, if he tried to?"

ShoogarBear
09-27-2006, 04:44 PM
This is all a plot by T.O. so he won't get booed in Philly.

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 04:46 PM
This is all a plot by T.O. so he won't get booed in Philly.

They booed a possibly paralyzed man.

T.O. would have been booed if he had walked on the field with Ryan Howard joking with him.

Slinkyman
09-27-2006, 04:48 PM
I find it convenient that TO's publicist was there to make the 911 call, i have no doubt this is all a publicity stunt to get TO's name in the headlines. You have to be a pretty sick fuck to fake your suicide just for attention.

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 04:52 PM
I find it convenient that TO's publicist was there to make the 911 call, i have no doubt this is all a publicity stunt to get TO's name in the headlines. You have to be a pretty sick fuck to fake your suicide just for attention.

Good point.

I mean, had he really wanted to commit suicide, why were his doctors there?

If he really wanted to get his name out there, he should have just pulled a Budd Dwyer at the press conference.

I mean, it's not like people were already talking about T.O. non-stop because of an injury to his finger and a chance he may play in a game less than two weeks after having a plate inserted into a hand with a broken finger.

Oh, wait...they were.

ALVAREZ6
09-27-2006, 09:00 PM
TO is retarded

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-27-2006, 09:08 PM
TO is retarded

Thank you for that eloquent commentary from a well-versed person such as yourself.

Suicidal Jack
09-27-2006, 11:15 PM
suicide is for pussies


I don't think so.

LuvBones
09-27-2006, 11:33 PM
After reading this entire thread I just have to add that johnsmith is a great poster, TO just wants attention, and some people that posted here have NO sense of humor.

johnsmith
09-28-2006, 07:17 AM
After reading this entire thread I just have to add that johnsmith is a great poster, TO just wants attention, and some people that posted here have NO sense of humor.


Agreed

LEONARD
09-28-2006, 08:10 AM
Missing your kid's birthday AND having your fiance break it off on the same day seems like reason enough to me for TO to be depressed. This is from TO's trainer, who is one of his best friends and is like a father figure to him since he didn't have one...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/092806dnspoowenstrainer.2e6991d.html

Trainer cites physical, emotional setbacks

02:46 AM CDT on Thursday, September 28, 2006

By MICHAEL GRANBERRY / The Dallas Morning News

Terrell Owens' longtime personal trainer said Wednesday that "a perfect storm" of physically and emotionally devastating events conspired to put the superstar receiver into a tailspin that resulted in a trip to the emergency room Tuesday.

Those events also generated what the trainer called "erroneous" reports of a suicide attempt.

"A lot of things were coming to a head anyway, and then this happened," said James "Buddy" Primm, 55, who until earlier this month, had been living with Owens in his loft on Commerce Street, in the shadow of Fair Park.

Primm said Owens underwent two traumatic events Monday involving his 7-year-old son and his fiancée, a woman he has dated for three years.

Owens' son, from a previous relationship, celebrated his birthday Monday, Primm said. Owens was distraught, he said, about not being able to be see the boy, who lives in California.

"He wanted to get together with the boy," Primm said. "But the boy could not come here, and Terrell could not go there."

Then hours later, a woman whom Primm described as Owens' fiancée broke off the relationship. Primm declined to give the woman's last name but said she and Owens had been dating for three years. She also lives in California.

"That's been coming on forever," Primm said of the breakup. "She's not a bad girl. She's cool, she's fine. He said, 'Can I take a break from the engagement?' And she said, 'No, let's just put a stop to it.' And that was a complete surprise to Terrell."

Primm, who lives in Duluth, Ga., near Owens' off-season residence in Atlanta, has known the Cowboys receiver for seven years. They met when Owens played for the San Francisco 49ers, "exactly 16 weeks before he stood on the star" during a game at Texas Stadium.

That happened during the 2000 season, and Primm says that since then the two have forged a father-son-like bond that Owens seems to need. Growing up in abject poverty in rural Alabama, Owens was raised by his mother and grandmother and, according to Primm, has long been in need of a dominant male figure in his life.

"He's getting to be like my son," said Primm, who returned to his home in Georgia last week. He plans to return to Dallas in the next few days to be with Owens.

Owens "doesn't have many friends," said the trainer, who contends that the public and news media have long misperceived a man he considers "a gentle soul" and a "caring, highly sensitive" individual with a fragile psyche.

"He's a good person," Primm said. "A very good person."

Primm said he had been in touch with Owens and members of the player's inner circle on Wednesday. He said that after hearing the chronology of Tuesday's events, he understood why and how the incident took place and that suicide wasn't an issue.

Before arriving at the Cowboys' practice facility at Valley Ranch on Tuesday, Owens spent the morning addressing students at a local high school about the perils of domestic abuse and how it's not their fault should their parents choose to fight.

"It's an issue he cares about," Primm said.

Owens reported to the Cowboys' practice facility at 11:30 a.m. and worked out "hard," Primm said, catching "bullets" from quarterbacks Drew Bledsoe and Tony Romo for the first time since last week's surgery on his broken right hand.

And for the first time since the surgery, Owens felt serious pain, the trainer said, noting that until Tuesday night, Owens had not been on a regular routine of taking pain medication "because he hadn't needed to."

The receiver left Valley Ranch around 4 p.m. Tuesday and drove home in rush-hour traffic, arriving at his Exposition Park loft around 5:30 p.m.

That's when the physical trauma began.

At Primm's direction, Owens had been taking about 30 supplements a day, up from his normal six, "to accelerate the healing process," the trainer said. The supplements included "all different types of calcium, all different types of magnesium ... a few different types of glandulars," Primm said. "Things for the immune system, to get blood to that area."

He said he had also been using a $40,000 laser device on Owens' injury.

"Five minutes on the bottom of the hand, five minutes on the top" first thing in the morning, Primm said. That had accelerated the healing process, he said, in addition to another device about the size of a breadbox, into which Owens inserted a gloved hand wrapped in a towel to help "dissolve scar tissue."

Primm said that under normal circumstances, the machine designed to remove scar tissue "just knocks you out. It makes you sleepy."

He said the machine has the dual effect of "getting rid of scar tissue and of cells the body isn't using." Such therapy is vital, he said, in allowing bones to heal as rapidly as possible.

It was Primm who introduced Owens to such devices and to the hyperbaric chamber, which he said enabled the athlete to play in Super Bowl XXXIX in February 2005 for the Philadelphia Eagles, despite suffering a broken leg only weeks before.

But the combination of this week's events was apparently too much, the trainer said.

As for what comes next, Primm predicts that Owens will play Sunday against the Tennessee Titans. And how will he fare for the rest of the season?

"Great," the trainer said.

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One of 2 things happened here:

1. This was a half-assed suicide attempt...which is what a lot of suicide attempts are...

2. He took a couple extra pills to try to "escape" or zone out and his publicist (who should be fired after yesterday!) over-reacted. She DID tell the police that he was depressed...she probably did try to get pills out of his mouth (or at least checked his mouth). Wait for the 911 tape to come out...

Regardless of which of those 2 it was, I believe that he was probably telling his sob story to his publicist and he probably did say that he was down or depressed.

100% of NFL players take pain pills.
100% of NFL players take supplements.
Nobody has ever had an "allergic reaction" to a combination of these...not that reported anyway.

There are WAY too many holes in that crap that he and his publicist spewed...

johnsmith
09-28-2006, 08:28 AM
Missing your kid's birthday AND having your fiance break it off on the same day seems like reason enough to me for TO to be depressed. This is from TO's trainer, who is one of his best friends and is like a father figure to him since he didn't have one...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/092806dnspoowenstrainer.2e6991d.html

Trainer cites physical, emotional setbacks

02:46 AM CDT on Thursday, September 28, 2006

By MICHAEL GRANBERRY / The Dallas Morning News

Terrell Owens' longtime personal trainer said Wednesday that "a perfect storm" of physically and emotionally devastating events conspired to put the superstar receiver into a tailspin that resulted in a trip to the emergency room Tuesday.

Those events also generated what the trainer called "erroneous" reports of a suicide attempt.

"A lot of things were coming to a head anyway, and then this happened," said James "Buddy" Primm, 55, who until earlier this month, had been living with Owens in his loft on Commerce Street, in the shadow of Fair Park.

Primm said Owens underwent two traumatic events Monday involving his 7-year-old son and his fiancée, a woman he has dated for three years.

Owens' son, from a previous relationship, celebrated his birthday Monday, Primm said. Owens was distraught, he said, about not being able to be see the boy, who lives in California.

"He wanted to get together with the boy," Primm said. "But the boy could not come here, and Terrell could not go there."

Then hours later, a woman whom Primm described as Owens' fiancée broke off the relationship. Primm declined to give the woman's last name but said she and Owens had been dating for three years. She also lives in California.

"That's been coming on forever," Primm said of the breakup. "She's not a bad girl. She's cool, she's fine. He said, 'Can I take a break from the engagement?' And she said, 'No, let's just put a stop to it.' And that was a complete surprise to Terrell."

Primm, who lives in Duluth, Ga., near Owens' off-season residence in Atlanta, has known the Cowboys receiver for seven years. They met when Owens played for the San Francisco 49ers, "exactly 16 weeks before he stood on the star" during a game at Texas Stadium.

That happened during the 2000 season, and Primm says that since then the two have forged a father-son-like bond that Owens seems to need. Growing up in abject poverty in rural Alabama, Owens was raised by his mother and grandmother and, according to Primm, has long been in need of a dominant male figure in his life.

"He's getting to be like my son," said Primm, who returned to his home in Georgia last week. He plans to return to Dallas in the next few days to be with Owens.

Owens "doesn't have many friends," said the trainer, who contends that the public and news media have long misperceived a man he considers "a gentle soul" and a "caring, highly sensitive" individual with a fragile psyche.

"He's a good person," Primm said. "A very good person."

Primm said he had been in touch with Owens and members of the player's inner circle on Wednesday. He said that after hearing the chronology of Tuesday's events, he understood why and how the incident took place and that suicide wasn't an issue.

Before arriving at the Cowboys' practice facility at Valley Ranch on Tuesday, Owens spent the morning addressing students at a local high school about the perils of domestic abuse and how it's not their fault should their parents choose to fight.

"It's an issue he cares about," Primm said.

Owens reported to the Cowboys' practice facility at 11:30 a.m. and worked out "hard," Primm said, catching "bullets" from quarterbacks Drew Bledsoe and Tony Romo for the first time since last week's surgery on his broken right hand.

And for the first time since the surgery, Owens felt serious pain, the trainer said, noting that until Tuesday night, Owens had not been on a regular routine of taking pain medication "because he hadn't needed to."

The receiver left Valley Ranch around 4 p.m. Tuesday and drove home in rush-hour traffic, arriving at his Exposition Park loft around 5:30 p.m.

That's when the physical trauma began.

At Primm's direction, Owens had been taking about 30 supplements a day, up from his normal six, "to accelerate the healing process," the trainer said. The supplements included "all different types of calcium, all different types of magnesium ... a few different types of glandulars," Primm said. "Things for the immune system, to get blood to that area."

He said he had also been using a $40,000 laser device on Owens' injury.

"Five minutes on the bottom of the hand, five minutes on the top" first thing in the morning, Primm said. That had accelerated the healing process, he said, in addition to another device about the size of a breadbox, into which Owens inserted a gloved hand wrapped in a towel to help "dissolve scar tissue."

Primm said that under normal circumstances, the machine designed to remove scar tissue "just knocks you out. It makes you sleepy."

He said the machine has the dual effect of "getting rid of scar tissue and of cells the body isn't using." Such therapy is vital, he said, in allowing bones to heal as rapidly as possible.

It was Primm who introduced Owens to such devices and to the hyperbaric chamber, which he said enabled the athlete to play in Super Bowl XXXIX in February 2005 for the Philadelphia Eagles, despite suffering a broken leg only weeks before.

But the combination of this week's events was apparently too much, the trainer said.

As for what comes next, Primm predicts that Owens will play Sunday against the Tennessee Titans. And how will he fare for the rest of the season?

"Great," the trainer said.

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One of 2 things happened here:

1. This was a half-assed suicide attempt...which is what a lot of suicide attempts are...

2. He took a couple extra pills to try to "escape" or zone out and his publicist (who should be fired after yesterday!) over-reacted. She DID tell the police that he was depressed...she probably did try to get pills out of his mouth (or at least checked his mouth). Wait for the 911 tape to come out...

Regardless of which of those 2 it was, I believe that he was probably telling his sob story to his publicist and he probably did say that he was down or depressed.

100% of NFL players take pain pills.
100% of NFL players take supplements.
Nobody has ever had an "allergic reaction" to a combination of these...not that reported anyway.

There are WAY too many holes in that crap that he and his publicist spewed...


Yeah, but who cares?

LEONARD
09-28-2006, 08:55 AM
Yeah, but who cares?

LOL...I think a lot of people do, based on yesterday... :lol

The Ticket (1310) in Dallas talked to Chief Kunkel (Dallas police chief) this morning and the police are standing by their report... (as expected)

They also talked to Owens' trainer this morning and he said that TO is not happy with him for revealing the info in the article above, but he stands by what he said.

Hook Dem
09-28-2006, 09:57 AM
This is all a plot by T.O. so he won't get booed in Philly.
lol.....These are the fans who once booed Santa Claus! :lol

johnsmith
09-28-2006, 10:13 AM
LOL...I think a lot of people do, based on yesterday... :lol

The Ticket (1310) in Dallas talked to Chief Kunkel (Dallas police chief) this morning and the police are standing by their report... (as expected)

They also talked to Owens' trainer this morning and he said that TO is not happy with him for revealing the info in the article above, but he stands by what he said.


Agreed, yesterday I was addicted to this story. Not so much anymore. I think the media is trying to make up for it by pretending that they couldn't possibly be wrong. Especially ESPN. I'm starting to get real sick of those jackasses.

MosesGuthrie
09-28-2006, 12:04 PM
Yeah, but who cares?

Agreed...let's get back to football.

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-28-2006, 01:08 PM
A collection of front pages from across the country.

http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/default.asp?page=6

Page 5 has the Philly-area papers.

And might I just say "wow" about the DMN's full front-page on Owens.

http://www.newseum.org/media/dfp/lg/TX_DMN.jpg
DMN

http://www.newseum.org/media/dfp/lg/TX_FWST.jpg
Star-Telegram

johnsmith
09-28-2006, 01:13 PM
Am I the only one that thinks if the publicist got some sleep and had herself done up a bit then she'd be smoking hot?

ducks
09-28-2006, 01:24 PM
Owens back at practice a day after being hospitalized

By JAIME ARON, AP Sports Writer
September 28, 2006

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IRVING, Texas (AP) -- Stretching, running routes and catching passes, Terrell Owens was back at practice with the Dallas Cowboys on Thursday -- an indication he could play Sunday in Tennessee.

Owens wore receiving gloves with bandages under the right one to protect the broken bone leading to his ring finger. He broke it in a game a week ago Sunday and had a plate screwed in the following day. This was his first practice in pads since.

Pain pills prescribed following the surgery were at the root of what Owens called a big misunderstanding that unfolded between the time he was taken by ambulance to an emergency room Tuesday night until he was released Wednesday. Owens gave his side of the story at an afternoon news conference.

"It was just an allergic reaction," Owens said. "It's very unfortunate for the reports to go from an allergic reaction to a definite suicide attempt."

Much of the confusion stemmed from a police report that reached media outlets Wednesday morning, before sections about a possible suicide attempt, drug overdose and depression were blacked out. None of that was visible once it was officially released, prompting Owens' publicist -- who was the person that called 911 -- to lash out at authorities.

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"I am just upset that I just feel they take advantage of Terrell," she said. "Had this been someone else, this may not have happened."

Authorities did not immediately respond, citing privacy laws, but on Thursday the president of the Dallas Police Association -- which represents Dallas police officers -- demanded an apology from T.O. and his publicist.

"The officers reacted because they were called to this location to do this job. Now they're being put under a microscope by some fancy little football person," Senior Cpl. Glenn White said. "Give me a break. Those officers are 10 times better than this man."

Publicist Kim Etheredge could not immediately be reached for a response. The voice mail on her cell phone was full, and she did not respond to an e-mail from The Associated Press.

According to Owens, the problems began when he mistakenly mixed his prescription pills with supplements he ordinarily takes.

The combination left him woozy, and Etheredge, who was with him at his Dallas condo, became worried when he couldn't respond to her questions. Having also discovered an empty bottle of pills, she called for help.
The unreleased police report stated that a suicide attempt was called in, that Owens was described as being depressed and that Owens said he was trying to harm himself.

Owens made it to team headquarters in time to catch some passes from quarterbacks Drew Bledsoe and Tony Romo. He then showed up to a packed news conference wearing workout gear and his usual wide smile.

T.O. seemed more amused than peeved. He apologized for being a distraction, thanked his friends for worrying about him and said he is "not depressed by any means."


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"I am very happy to be here," said Owens, who received a $25 million, three-year deal from the Cowboys in March, four days after the Eagles released him. "My thing is I have come here to help this team get on a roll, get on the track of getting into the playoffs and winning some ballgames."

He's especially eager to play a week from Sunday, when Dallas plays at Philadelphia, offering him his first chance to beat the team that gave up on him midway through last season.

Owens has played two games for the Cowboys, catching nine passes for 99 yards and a touchdown. He broke the bone leading to his right ring finger against Washington. The next day, doctors screwed in a plate so the bone could heal without fear of further damage, leaving a 2-inch scar on top of his hand.

Owens has been stirring things up for years, from in-your-face touchdown celebrations to mean-spirited comments about his quarterbacks and cries of being underpaid. Yet the drama was always about football, never matters of life or death.

The police report, which WFAA shared with the AP, said rescue workers were called because Owens attempted "suicide by prescription pain medication."

"The rumor of me taking 35 pills, I think is absurd," Owens said. "I don't think I would be here if I had taken 35 pills."

Owens said a bottle of hydrocodone, a generic form of Vicodin, was indeed empty, but the extra pills were in a drawer. He said he had taken two or three, along with some all-natural supplements, and he believes the combination made him groggy.

"This is a very strong human being," Etheredge said. "When I ask him a question and he is not responding and I know he is not feeling well, I used my judgment to call 911."

The report said Etheredge saw Owens pop two more pills, then "attempted to put her fingers in (Owens') mouth to retrieve the pills."

"I did not take anything out of his mouth," said Etheredge, equally adamant in denying that she told anyone Owens was depressed.

Owens is listed in the report as saying, "Yes," when asked whether he'd emptied the pill bottle and whether he was trying to harm himself. He said he doesn't know what he told emergency responders.

"I was kind of out of it," Owens said.

Owens has played two games for the Cowboys, catching nine passes for 99 yards and a touchdown. He broke the bone leading to his right ring finger against Washington. The next day, doctors screwed in a plate so the bone could heal without fear of further damage, leaving a 2-inch scar on top of his hand.

Associated Press Writer Matt Curry in Dallas contributed to this story.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-cowboys-to&prov=ap&type=lgns

ducks
09-28-2006, 01:26 PM
Police group upset with statement by T.O.'s publicist

By MATT CURRY, Associated Press Writer
September 28, 2006

DALLAS (AP) -- The president of the Dallas Police Association demanded Thursday that Terrell Owens and his publicist apologize for statements disputing portions of a police report related to the star receiver's trip to a hospital emergency room.

"These officers, contrary to what Mr. T.O. Owens and his publicist Miss Etheredge alluded to or insinuated or whatever, those officers out there did the job they were supposed to do and did a good job of it," said Senior Cpl. Glenn White, who leads the largest police employee group in the Dallas department with more than 3,500 active and retired members. "We police officers don't go out to these calls and make stuff up."

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Owens spent Tuesday night in the hospital after what he later called a big misunderstanding, saying he became groggy after mixing painkillers with supplements. The police report, later redacted in part, referenced an attempted suicide.

Owens' publicist who made the 911 call, Kim Etheredge, said Wednesday that entries in the police report were inaccurate. She said she did not say he was depressed and "did not take anything out of his mouth," as the report said.

Owens said he could not remember what he said to officers.

Etheredge couldn't be reached Thursday because her phone mailbox was full, and she didn't immediately respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

Dallas police officials have declined to comment and calls to Police Chief David Kunkle's office weren't returned Thursday. On Wednesday, police released a heavily-edited version of the police report but declined to discuss it further because of privacy concerns.

"It's a shame that the department doesn't stand up for the officers and say they did everything right," White said. "They haven't, and that's my biggest gripe now."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-cowboys-to-police&prov=ap&type=lgns

johnsmith
09-28-2006, 04:56 PM
Oh My God, I just read the title of this thread.........he did?

dirk4mvp
09-28-2006, 05:09 PM
bullshit.

His media talker woman whatthefuckever she is is one annoying bitch.

ducks
09-28-2006, 05:19 PM
Oh My God, I just read the title of this thread.........he did?
yes the police officers just made stuff up :spin :spin :spin :spin :spin :spin :spin

tlongII
09-28-2006, 06:01 PM
I think it's pretty clear that TO tried to commit suicide no matter how he and his people are spinning it. I just hope he gets some help before he tries it again.

ducks
09-28-2006, 06:50 PM
Police: Owens had an 'accidental overdose'

By JAIME ARON, AP Sports Writer
September 28, 2006

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IRVING, Texas (AP) -- Dallas police have classified Terrell Owens' case as an "accidental overdose," not an attempted suicide, closing their investigation Thursday of the Cowboys receiver's hospitalization.

Police Chief David Kunkle said he had "great confidence" in the initial police report, which said rescue workers responded late Tuesday night to an attempted "suicide by prescription pain medication."

"The report, in my opinion, reflects what the officers were told and represents their best interpretation of what happened," Kunkle said Thursday. "But that doesn't mean it's the definitive account of the incident. Like all these situations, we're dealing with incomplete information and facts that change."

The report, obtained by media outlets Wednesday, said a friend described Owens as being depressed and indicated that Owens said "Yes" when rescue workers asked whether he had tried to harm himself.

Owens said Wednesday he mistakenly mixed the painkillers for a broken hand with supplements he ordinarily takes, causing him to become groggy while at home Tuesday evening. His publicist, Kim Etheredge, called 911, and Owens was taken by ambulance to an emergency room.

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Within two hours of his hospital release Wednesday morning, Owens was catching passes at team headquarters. He went through a full practice Thursday, his first since breaking his right hand on Sept. 17, and might play Sunday in Tennessee.

At a news conference Wednesday, Owens denied the strongest parts of the police report, and Etheredge lashed out at authorities, saying, "I am just upset that I just feel they take advantage of Terrell. Had this been someone else, this may not have happened."

Earlier Thursday, the president of the Dallas Police Association, which represents Dallas police officers, demanded an apology from T.O. and his publicist.

"The officers reacted because they were called to this location to do this job. Now they're being put under a microscope by some fancy little football person," Senior Cpl. Glenn White said. "Give me a break. Those officers are 10 times better than this man. ... We police officers don't go out to these calls and make stuff up."

Reports of an empty pill bottle is a good example of the difference between what officers were told and the story that emerged later. The report indicated that 35 pills were unaccounted for; Owens later said that Etheredge became concerned when she saw an empty bottle, but she didn't know that the medicine was in a drawer.

"There was initially a belief of more (pills) that he might have taken," Kunkle said. "Further investigation leads you to a different conclusion."

Kunkle said at his news conference that Owens and Etheredge were welcome to file a report against the officers if they believe anyone acted inappropriately.

"There's no reason for the officers to do anything inappropriate," he added.

Etheredge could not immediately be reached for a response. The voice mail on her cell phone was full, and she did not respond to an e-mail from The Associated Press.


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Although Owens looked fine in practice, Cowboys coach Bill Parcells said he might not decide until Saturday morning whether Owens makes the trip to Tennessee, and he'll probably wait until that night to determine whether to use him in the game.

Parcells wants to evaluate all the medical information he can get. That includes details about Owens' broken hand and possibly a mental evaluation. Owens is expected to practice again Friday.

"I have to, as the coach, rely on other people to keep me informed as to really what's going on," Parcells said. "I can't form my own independent opinion other than those involving, `Is his hand functional and can he play on Sunday?' If my medical people tell me those things are in place, and then he looks like he's (OK), we'll make that consideration then."

He pointed to the fact that Owens was released from the hospital after being checked out there.

"If they deemed it appropriate to release him, there must be a reason why they did that," he said.

Owens wore receiving gloves Thursday with bandages under the right one to protect the hand bone he broke in a game a week ago Sunday. A metal plate was screwed into the bone the following day.

"He was running fine," backup quarterback Tony Romo said. "I thought he caught the ball pretty good. I expect him to be ready to go this weekend."

Said fellow receiver Sam Hurd: "I asked him how he felt and he said, `I feel good to go. All good.' He didn't say nothing about his hand hurting."

Owens declined to speak with reporters, saying he did his talking Wednesday. But he sure was visible while media was allowed in the locker room.

Wearing a small bandage over the scar on his right hand, and a black T-shirt that read "U Big Dummy" above a picture of TV character Fred Sanford, Owens walked into the locker room, sat on a sofa and unwrapped his lunch, then decided to take it into an adjacent, off-limits dining area.

When he returned, Owens shooed away reporters, then Owens went back to the same spot on the sofa where he'd been before. He grabbed a copy of the Cowboys Weekly newspaper to occupy his time.

Among the articles that caught his attention: "Young Receivers Have Opportunity To Step Up After Broken Finger Sidelines Owens," and a scouting report of the Eagles, next week's foe.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-cowboys-to&prov=ap&type=lgns

ducks
09-28-2006, 06:53 PM
now he quote" just accidentally took to many pills" after all he is only how old? it is not like he is a 5 year old:smirk

kskonn
09-28-2006, 08:35 PM
I think it's pretty clear that TO tried to commit suicide no matter how he and his people are spinning it. I just hope he gets some help before he tries it again.

If that is the case it might be good. Some times the best thing that can happen to someone is to almost die. It often will make them look at their life differently and realize it is worth living.

LB7
09-28-2006, 10:01 PM
I think its quite obvious that it wasn't a suicide attempt. If he was attempting suicide, he would have taken many many pills. He would not have been out of the hospital that soon and BACK TO PRACTICING. Some of you people really buy into the media circus I see.

Johnny_Blaze_47
09-29-2006, 12:16 AM
I want that Fred Sanford t-shirt.

LEONARD
09-29-2006, 08:38 AM
Only TO knows for sure...

but IMO, there is NO WAY he could or would get screwed up on the # and/or type of pills he is taking. He's been at this for years and he knows everything that goes into his body...

ShoogarBear
09-29-2006, 09:13 AM
On one hand, narcotics cloud your thinking, so it's easy to believe he could have just been confused.

On the other hand, this can't possibly have been his first exposure to pain meds. Has he had this much problem with them before?

ducks
09-29-2006, 09:14 AM
Here is the release of the 911 tape.....Click on 911 tape then watch video then after the hilights...it will begin to play


http://www.nbc5i.com/index.html

tlongII
09-29-2006, 10:50 AM
Here is the release of the 911 tape.....Click on 911 tape then watch video then after the hilights...it will begin to play


http://www.nbc5i.com/index.html

Definitely a suicide attempt.

LEONARD
09-29-2006, 11:49 AM
911 tape doesn't help much...

Only TO knows what his intention was...

We don't know if it was 4 or 5 pills, or 30 pills...I figure it was 4 or 5...enough to zonk him because he was bummed out about everything going on...

ALVAREZ6
09-29-2006, 07:33 PM
Thank you for that eloquent commentary from a well-versed person such as yourself.
Any time

Johnny_Blaze_47
10-01-2006, 10:08 AM
I'll be waiting for you to find it and make a thread about it, send me a PM if I miss it. I doubt that I will see that thread or being hearing from you.

Chris Mortensen just reported the league is looking into the supplements that T.O. said he was taking.