Fantasy Football Arbitrator - Need Help

[PeterBurns]

Okay All. One of My Leagues need help to settle a dispute.
The question that we need help with is to determine if this trade should be allowed.

Here are the Facts
Owner 1 is 1-3.
Owner 2 is 3-1

Both have played Fantasy Football for at least 3 years.
Neither of them know each other very well. (No chance of Collusion)

The Trade:
Owner 1 offers L.T. (RB) for Owner 2's Chad Pennington QB.
Owner 1 is looking for a better QB, Owner 2 is looking for a better RB

Owner 1 already owns Hasslebeck, and Owner 2 already owns Shaun Alexander.

Owner 2 accepts the trade. Owner 1 confirms.
The trade then goes to the Commish who approves the trade.

The next day, several owners in the league raise hell over the trade saying that it hurts the intergrity of the league. The Commish decides to call for a vote and the vote ends 6-5 to veto the trade. The Commish revokes the trade because he feels it stacks Owner 2's team too much, and would result in a unfair advantage

Owner 1 and Owner 2 still are okay with the trade.

Would you allow the trade to go through, or would revoke the trade.

Please respond.

[johnsmith]

How many QB's and RB's start every week?

[MajorMike]

Pennington is playing as good as any QB in the NFL right now. LT doesn't have that great of stats because Turner has been playing mop-up and the Ravens stuffed him.

I wouldn't like it, but I see no reason for it not to go thru.

[johnsmith]

Pennington is playing as good as any QB in the NFL right now. LT doesn't have that great of stats because Turner has been playing mop-up and the Ravens stuffed him.

I wouldn't like it, but I see no reason for it not to go thru.


Yeah, but having played fantasy football for three years these guys know that LT is eventually going to start lighting up the scoreboard and Pennington will either get hurt or slow his production down.

I think you could go either way very easily on this but I think it should be revoked, player 3 is already 3-1 and obviously has a winning combination, adding a 20-40 ppg player (depending on the league) would probably indeed make it unfair. Oh, and if player 1 wants to play in any of my leagues next season, let him know he's welcome too because he's an idiot.

[PeterBurns]

To Date Pennington has 39 points to LT's 22 Points
It's a TD heavy League.

10 Man League
1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 WR/TE
1 D
1 K

Passing Td' Points
4 >10 Yards
5 11-30 Yards
6 31-50 Yards

Rushing TD's Points
3 bonus point(s) for scores from 0 to 5 yards.
4 bonus point(s) for scores from 6 to 10 yards.
5 bonus point(s) for scores from 11 to 15 yards.
6 bonus point(s) for scores from 16 to 20 yards.

[PeterBurns]

Yeah, but having played fantasy football for three years these guys know that LT is eventually going to start lighting up the scoreboard and Pennington will either get hurt or slow his production down.

I think you could go either way very easily on this but I think it should be revoked, player 3 is already 3-1 and obviously has a winning combination, adding a 20-40 ppg player (depending on the league) would probably indeed make it unfair. Oh, and if player 1 wants to play in any of my leagues next season, let him know he's welcome too because he's an idiot.


So should the league revoke it just because it makes a team stronger.
Despite their being no collusion?

[johnsmith]

So should the league revoke it just because it makes a team stronger.
Despite their being no collusion?


That's a good point. Plus the vote was only 6-5. The problem you'll run into though is that you'll allow this trade, then LT will go off and put it in the endzone four times next week. Everyone will bitch and moan and say the integrity of the league had clearly been ruined because the commish didn't revoke the trade.

That's a tough call, usually you don't run into someone trading LT unless they are trying to ruin a league on purpose.

[LEONARD]

LMAO...that trade is as bogus as they get...


Pennington is playing as good as any QB in the NFL right now. LT doesn't have that great of stats because Turner has been playing mop-up and the Ravens stuffed him.

I wouldn't like it, but I see no reason for it not to go thru.

Pennington is the #9 and #10 QB in my FF leagues...avg pts per game...

LT is in the top 3 RB's in both leagues. 376 total yds, 11 rec, and 3 TD's thru 3 games (one against Balt) is that great?? :lol

That trade is garbage...

[johnsmith]

LMAO...that trade is as bogus as they get...



Pennington is the #9 and #10 QB in my FF leagues...avg pts per game...

LT is in the top 3 RB's in both leagues. 376 total yds, 11 rec, and 3 TD's thru 3 games (one against Balt) is that great?? :lol

That trade is garbage...


I think I'm in agreement with Leonard. Plus, even if it isn't bogus, who would you rather listen to complain, 2 guys or 8?

[LEONARD]

I think I'm in agreement with Leonard. Plus, even if it isn't bogus, who would you rather listen to complain, 2 guys or 8?

I don't see how it's even in question...there should be 8 pissed off owners in that league...

[johnsmith]

Leonard has convinced me........revoke it.

[PeterBurns]

But Yardage is barely a factor in this league.
So Far to Date.
Pennington has 39 Pts in this League and LT has 22 Points

[PeterBurns]

If we revoke it, then we basically told one player that his team is too good, and I don't think that's fair.

Owner 2 didn't ask for the trade, it was offered to him.
And I don't have 8 pissed owners, we have 5 out of 10.

[LEONARD]

But Yardage is barely a factor in this league.
So Far to Date.
Pennington has 39 Pts in this League and LT has 22 Points

So what...LT has more VALUE. How many other RB's have 20+ pts?

How many other QB's have 35+ pts?

You'd have to have to most F'd up scoring system and roster combo in order to make that trade legit in any way...

[LEONARD]

If we revoke it, then we basically told one player that his team is too good, and I don't think that's fair.

Owner 2 didn't ask for the trade, it was offered to him.
And I don't have 8 pissed owners, we have 5 out of 10.

It looks to me like Owner 1 is mailing it in and helping Owner 2 out...is this a money league??

Who are owner 2's other RB's such that he can afford to dump a top 3 RB year in year out for a barely top 10 QB coming off an injury??? :drunk

[PeterBurns]

Owner 1 likes Pennington, and isn't mailing it in as their in still 12 weeks left in the season.

This is a money league, yet knowing both of the players there is no chance for collusion.

[Kori Ellis]

That trade is crap.

I never veto anything, but I'd veto it in a heartbeat. It doesn't matter their points (22 vs 30whatever), it matters how good they are relative to other players of their position. At the end of the season LT is one of the top RB's in the league and Pennington is a midrange QB.

[rasho8]

Owner 1 knows hes screwed.. trading LT for Chad is not only retarded, but it does nothing but boostOwner 2 to a close lock once the RB games start taking off, which they do in the second quarter of the season.
Does Owner 1 not like the guy who is in first or second place right now?

[timvp]

If a draft happened right now, LT would be the #1 overall pick. Pennington would be like a 8th rounder at best.

Unless you guys have some weird scoring system, that's a trade you have to shoot down.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

It's scary that 3 other owners found nothing wrong with the trade.

[kris]

Pete,

There's no way that trade can go through. If you look at virtually any league, QBs all have more points than RBs. It's like pointing out that Jeff Wilkins is worth more than Rudi Johnson. Players points are relative to their position.

In one of my league's scoring system, Pennington is tied with Frye. So it's at that point you could say LT for Charlie Frye. Right now, many of the QBs are overachieving right now while the RBs are having a terrible year. David Carr is actually at number 4. So what about David Carr for Shaun Alexander? Alexander is much worse off than LT and Carr is doing much better than Pennington.

If the owners really want to make the deal go through, tell the Pennington owner to throw in something else so it's not completely one sided. Plus, I'm sure if the LT owner looked around, someone would give him a much better QB than Pennington and a middle tier RB.

[LEONARD]

I guarantee he could get more for LT...a lot more...

[PeterBurns]

This has caused so much controversy because the Commish Approved the trade and now has revoked it.

Owner 2 IS PISSED, Threatning to drop out of the league.

I see his point. Why should he be penalized for drafting a good team, and then an owner who has a man crush on Pennington overpays and give him LT.

In my opinion, I would only veto a trade if it was clear that one of the following was happening.

1) Their was something fishy behind the scenes (Collusion)
2) It was late in the season, (Week 8 or later).
3) Owner 2 who is getting LT would have intiated the trade.

But none of those 3 happens.
It's a case that Owner 1 made a stupid trade.

It's getting ugly.

[PeterBurns]

Now the commish has come out and said that LT cannot be traded to anyone else except for Owner 2, but only if the deal is sweetened.

Which now is really messed up.
Owner 2 now has to ask the league for what would be a fair trade.
WOW!

[kris]

Owner 2 should have known better than to send a trade forward that was so lopsided. All he had to do was throw in some token player that has a chance of contributing and the deal could be ok.

Trades like that ruin leagues. The Commish should have never let that go through.

[kris]

Now the commish has come out and said that LT cannot be traded to anyone else except for Owner 2, but only if the deal is sweetened.

Which now is really messed up.
Owner 2 now has to ask the league for what would be a fair trade.
WOW!


The commish needs to resign. He can't do that.

[Kori Ellis]

Now the commish has come out and said that LT cannot be traded to anyone else except for Owner 2

What the hell?!

No commissioner can make that decision. The guy can trade LT to whoever he wants (as long as it's a fair trade).

[PeterBurns]

This is turning into a Fiasco.
This league has $1200 to the winner.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

He has LT and he's aiming for Pennington? Why not McNabb or Manning? It surprises me that he's been playing for three years.

[Loose Cannon]

Protesting trades is not there to prevent bad trades. It's to prevent collusion and cheating. Stay out of it. I can see the reasoning behind the trade, as bad as it may be. Let them go through with it.

As with any sport, the best commissioner is the invisible one.

[PeterBurns]

Protesting trades is not there to prevent bad trades. It's to prevent collusion and cheating. Stay out of it. I can see the reasoning behind the trade, as bad as it may be. Let them go through with it.

As with any sport, the best commissioner is the invisible one.


Exactly Loose Cannon, (Wow We agreed on something)

There is no collusion between the owners as they barely know each other.
The Veto is to make sure that the trade is legit, and not illegal, not objective to people's opinions.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

This has caused so much controversy because the Commish Approved the trade and now has revoked it.

Owner 2 IS PISSED, Threatning to drop out of the league.

I see his point. Why should he be penalized for drafting a good team, and then an owner who has a man crush on Pennington overpays and give him LT.

In my opinion, I would only veto a trade if it was clear that one of the following was happening.

1) Their was something fishy behind the scenes (Collusion)
2) It was late in the season, (Week 8 or later).
3) Owner 2 who is getting LT would have intiated the trade.

But none of those 3 happens.
It's a case that Owner 1 made a stupid trade.

It's getting ugly.


A stupid trade that screws 9 other owners. Trades can be vetoed, and should, for utter retardation(this is one of those times) by the commish. He dropped the ball big time.

[PeterBurns]

He has LT and he's aiming for Pennington? Why not McNabb or Manning? It surprises me that he's been playing for three years.


He went in order.

Manning owner said no
McNabb owner said no.
Next - Pennington owner said yes.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Exactly Loose Cannon, (Wow We agreed on something)

There is no collusion between the owners as they barely know each other.
The Veto is to make sure that the trade is legit, and not illegal, not objective to people's opinions.


Then why have a commissioner?

[timvp]

Since the commish let the trade go thru, the league might be screwed into letting the trade stand. The commish should have told the person to improve the trade to the point it was close to fair. Like LT for Pennington and a mid-level RB would be something that could pass.

Now it sounds like whatever outcome, the league is screwed.

[PeterBurns]

Okay. So I now how you guys feel.
I'll let you know that I am Owner 2

I'm pissed that the trade was approved, and then revoked.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Okay. So I now how you guys feel.
I'll let you know that I am Owner 2

I'm pissed that the trade was approved, and then revoked.

Honestly, you should have known better, especially with a $1200 payday. Take another owner's view: would you honestly let this trade go through if you weren't involved?

What does your roster look like?

[PeterBurns]

Just talked to commish.
Threatened to pull out of the league, and cursed him out.

He is going to let the trade go through.

So now my Roster is...(10 Man League)

Bulger QB
LT
Shaun Alexander
Anquan Boldin
Chris Chambers
Greg Jennings
Antonio Gates
Neil Rackers
Bills Defense

Bench
Duece M.
Chester Taylor
Amani Toomer
Charlie Frye
Drew Brees

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Good for you, bad for your league. Just another reason why having a good commish is crucial in FF.

He should have vetoed it outright, then if you bitched, put it to a vote. Problem solved and you would of had nothing to say.

[kris]

So if another guy trades Peyton Manning for Jerricho Cotchery and they don't know each other, it's ok?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

After that trade, anything goes in this league. How can you say anything is collusion now? In fact, that trade promotes collusion amongst pissed off owners.

[timvp]

:lol

As the Fantasy Football World Turns ...

Congrats on the trade. That must have felt like Christmas morning when you saw that trade proposed.

I wish that would happen to me.

I've made like three trades this year in my 10 leagues and twice people complained. Especially weak considering the headliners in the trades were Trent Green in one and Mark Brunell in the other :lol

[timvp]

PB -- if people complain, just throw in Deuce McAllister. He's your fourth RB and behind the three ahead of him, you'd probably never play him. Plus in a 10 man league, there's probably another RB out there worth almost as much as Deuce on the waiver wire.

You are still ripping him the hell off either way. :lol

[kris]

PB -- if people complain, just throw in Deuce McAllister. He's your fourth RB and behind the three ahead of him, you'd probably never play him. Plus in a 10 man league, there's probably another RB out there worth almost as much as Deuce on the waiver wire.

You are still ripping him the hell off either way. :lol

I agree, if you just throw in a Duece McAllister, no one can say anything and you still walk out of the store with a plasma when you came in with $60.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

:lol

As the Fantasy Football World Turns ...

Congrats on the trade. That must have felt like Christmas morning when you saw that trade proposed.

I wish that would happen to me.

I've made like three trades this year in my 10 leagues and twice people complained. Especially weak considering the headliners in the trades were Trent Green in one and Mark Brunell in the other :lol

You know I didn't complain, but I think it might have to do with the fact that many owners in the league fully expect for the FBJ guys to fully kick our ass regardless of what we do.

[Guru of Nothing]

Describe how you would react to a Larry Johnson for Rex Grossman deal.

If this happened in one of my money leagues, I'd dump my roster and leave my money on the table.

[Guru of Nothing]

He went in order.

Manning owner said no
McNabb owner said no.
Next - Pennington owner said yes.

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

[johnsmith]

After that trade, anything goes in this league. How can you say anything is collusion now? In fact, that trade promotes collusion amongst pissed off owners.


Yep, that league is ruined. Good for you Peter Burns, because you were so excited to get LT, you've ruined the fun for 11 other people.

[LEONARD]

I've never seen a $1200 league with such terrible FF players...that trade should've been instantly veto'd by the ENTIRE league instantly...

WOW!! :lol

[rascal]

That trade should not go through.

Its not only collusion why trades should not go thru its also to block stupid owners from stacking up a team with dumb deals.

LT is the best rb this year and Pennington is just an average qb. LT was drafted top 3 and Pennington was a waiver pickup in most leagues. When Alexander comes back, team 2 will have LT and Alexander as his rbs, two of the top 3 picks in drafts. How can anyone compete against that stacked backfield?

[Spurminator]

In my opinion, commissioners should only veto trades where there is obvious collusion. They shouldn't be in the practice of deciding on behalf of a team if they are getting screwed in a trade.

Sometimes you have to trade a great player from a position where you have depth in order to improve on a position where you're lacking. Those players paid their entry fees. Maybe someone from another team should have offered up a QB better than Pennington.

I would guess the league wouldn't have a problem with this trade if the two teams' records were reversed.

[PeterBurns]

PB -- if people complain, just throw in Deuce McAllister. He's your fourth RB and behind the three ahead of him, you'd probably never play him. Plus in a 10 man league, there's probably another RB out there worth almost as much as Deuce on the waiver wire.

You are still ripping him the hell off either way. :lol

We think alike.

I like the league, and I think that because we only start 2 RB's.
I gave up Duece just to help with the bitching.

I didn't have to, but damn, Grown men were starting to cry.
The funny thing is nobody is pissed at me, but they are pissed at the owner who made the dumb trade.

[rascal]

And how can you prove collusion?

Trading a top 3 rb pick who is healthy and doing well for an average qb who likely was picked up off waivers is not a fair trade.

A commisssioner should know the value of players and should only have a say to over turn if the league vetoes a fair trade. If the commissioner doesn't know the value of players and lets everything pass what is the point of having a commissioner.

[rascal]

McAllister and Pennington still isn't enough.

[LEONARD]

Who was the QB for the guy that dumped LT prior to getting Pennington?? Also, who are some of the QB's on the waiver wire right now?


McAllister and Pennington still isn't enough.

Nope...

[MajorMike]

Does not matter. You think other NBA owners in the East liked it when Shaq got traded to Miami?

You start with a system. You can't amend the rules mid season.

[LEONARD]

Does not matter. You think other NBA owners in the East liked it when Shaq got traded to Miami?

You start with a system. You can't amend the rules mid season.

Seriously, this is FF we're talking about...not the NBA...

You're about the only dude in this thread that tried to make this out to be a valid trade based on the value of the players... :lol

[PeterBurns]

My entire deal is that the league can't vote to save an owner from his own stupidity.
He intiated the trade, and should have to live with his bad choice.

It's not up to the owners to determine, who he should and shouldn't trade.
He is still happy, because he thinks Pennington will be a stud this year, and he hates how teams are putting 8 in a box to stop LT because Rivers sucks.

Was this a fair trade. Yes. It was fair and legal.
Was this a lopsided trade. Yes. But that's his fault.

[johnsmith]

My entire deal is that the league can't vote to save an owner from his own stupidity.
He intiated the trade, and should have to live with his bad choice.

It's not up to the owners to determine, who he should and shouldn't trade.
He is still happy, because he thinks Pennington will be a stud this year, and he hates how teams are putting 8 in a box to stop LT because Rivers sucks.

Was this a fair trade. Yes. It was fair and legal.
Was this a lopsided trade. Yes. But that's his fault.


Good points.

[LEONARD]

My entire deal is that the league can't vote to save an owner from his own stupidity.
He intiated the trade, and should have to live with his bad choice.

It's not up to the owners to determine, who he should and shouldn't trade.
He is still happy, because he thinks Pennington will be a stud this year, and he hates how teams are putting 8 in a box to stop LT because Rivers sucks.

Was this a fair trade. Yes. It was fair and legal.
Was this a lopsided trade. Yes. But that's his fault.

Stupidity or not, it's completely bogus. If LT was traded away for Pennington in any of my leagues, I don't care what the circumstances are, all hell would break loose. And I'm not in any $1200 pot leagues...

Putting 8 in the box to stop LT? WTF? Where does he rank in fantasy pts/game (not total since he has had a BYE) in your league??? He's #2 and #3 in my leagues. The only game he was "stopped" was against BALTIMORE, the #1 rush D in the league allowing 63 yds/game! 27 touches for 105 yds and no TD's. That's a bad game for him...

Again, I'm curious to know. Who was his QB prior to this trade??? and which QB's are on the waiver wire right now in your league?

[johnsmith]

Stupidity or not, it's completely bogus. If LT was traded away for Pennington in any of my leagues, I don't care what the circumstances are, all hell would break loose. And I'm not in any $1200 pot leagues...

Putting 8 in the box to stop LT? WTF? Where does he rank in fantasy pts/game (not total since he has had a BYE) in your league??? He's #2 and #3 in my leagues. The only game he was "stopped" was against BALTIMORE, the #1 rush D in the league allowing 63 yds/game! 27 touches for 105 yds and no TD's. That's a bad game for him...

Again, I'm curious to know. Who was his QB prior to this trade??? and which QB's are on the waiver wire right now in your league?


Good points.

[johngateswhiteley]

Just talked to commish.
Threatened to pull out of the league, and cursed him out.

He is going to let the trade go through.

you're a douche bag. to call and curse out the commish then threaten to pull out of the league...nice going pussy. a few things:

1. the trade is the WORST trade i have ever seen
2. is the trade your fault...no
3. should you feel bad about the trade...no
4. this is fantasy football, not the real world, when you make a trade like that you fuck everyone else...these are not players that you have any control over, they are in the NFL
5. i am all about big business and small gov't in the real world, but this is FFB
6. i want to play in this league next year, cause these guys are retarded
7. are you a pussy...yes

...congrats, you just won $1200...pussy.

[Spurminator]

Man, I'm glad I'm not in a league with any of you socialist bitches.

[johngateswhiteley]

Man, I'm glad I'm not in a league with any of you socialist bitches.

thats not the point.

[Spurminator]

Sure it is.

If I'm able to swing a trade that improves my team because of some dumbass in my league, then I should be able to whether I'm 4-0 or 0-4. I hate leagues where other owners feel like every trade has to be analyzed like a fucking corporate merger.

What do you guys do if some idiot makes the wrong pick in a draft? Do you MAKE him take a better player?

[johnsmith]

you're a douche bag. to call and curse out the commish then threaten to pull out of the league...nice going pussy. a few things:

1. the trade is the WORST trade i have ever seen
2. is the trade your fault...no
3. should you feel bad about the trade...no
4. this is fantasy football, not the real world, when you make a trade like that you fuck everyone else...these are not players that you have any control over, they are in the NFL
5. i am all about big business and small gov't in the real world, but this is FFB
6. i want to play in this league next year, cause these guys are retarded
7. are you a pussy...yes

...congrats, you just won $1200...pussy.


You are going to get a kick out of this one, Peter Burns is friends with Charlie and Chance. Proceed with the Burns bashing.

[Spurminator]

By the way, in my ESPN league LT is #7 overall and Pennington is #15.

[LEONARD]

What do you guys do if some idiot makes the wrong pick in a draft? Do you MAKE him take a better player?

:lol

Completely irrelevant comparison...

[johnsmith]

you're a douche bag. to call and curse out the commish then threaten to pull out of the league...nice going pussy. a few things:

1. the trade is the WORST trade i have ever seen
2. is the trade your fault...no
3. should you feel bad about the trade...no
4. this is fantasy football, not the real world, when you make a trade like that you fuck everyone else...these are not players that you have any control over, they are in the NFL
5. i am all about big business and small gov't in the real world, but this is FFB
6. i want to play in this league next year, cause these guys are retarded
7. are you a pussy...yes

...congrats, you just won $1200...pussy.


Oh, and agreed. This is the final stand I'm taking on this trade. I disagree with it. I've flip-flopped on this several times until JGW just pointed the "I threatened to pull out of the league" point you had made.

[LEONARD]

By the way, in my ESPN league LT is #7 overall and Pennington is #15.

What are they by their position??

Overall means jack $hit...

[Spurminator]

:lol

That has nothing to do with this thread...

It's a hypothetical, exaggerated to make a point.

[bigzak25]

as if having the sportschic as your wife wasn't enough...you greedy bastard!

[johnsmith]

as if having the sportschic as your wife wasn't enough...you greedy bastard!


OVER RATED........her, not your post.

[Spurminator]

What are they by their position??

Overall means jack $hit...

Pennington is #7 and LT is #2.

The point is, if I'm starting a QB that's getting 5 ppg and I'm three deep at RB (and can only start 2), I'm going to trade a RB to get a better QB. I may have to get a slightly inferior player for my RB, but I still upgrade QB substantially.

I'm not saying this trade was good strategy, but you can't always just compare the two players involved in a trade without considering other factors.

[LEONARD]

Pennington is #7 and LT is #2.

The point is, if I'm starting a QB that's getting 5 ppg and I'm three deep at RB (and can only start 2), I'm going to trade a RB to get a better QB. I may have to get a slightly inferior player for my RB, but I still upgrade QB substantially.

I'm not saying this trade was good strategy, but you can't always just compare the two players involved in a trade without considering other factors.

Is that in avg ppg or total? Pennington is around #10 in both of my leagues (avg ppg, ignoring Batch).

Of course you can't just compare the players, but we're talking about a 2 players in different worlds here...

Threadstarter...post the full roster of each team please.

[johngateswhiteley]

You are going to get a kick out of this one, Peter Burns is friends with Charlie and Chance. Proceed with the Burns bashing.

...what a bunch of pansies. anyone associated with those two jaggoffs is automatically a loser.

[Spurminator]

Is that in avg ppg or total? Pennington is around #10 in both of my leagues (avg ppg, ignoring Batch).


Avg PPG.

Chad gets 16.3, LT gets 19.5.

[LEONARD]

Avg PPG.

Chad gets 16.3, LT gets 19.5.

Sounds about right...LT is a top tier RB year in and year out, and Chad is a marginal top 10 QB, for 4 games this season anyway...

Worst trade in the history of FF :lol

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

It's all about value. LT and Duece are not even remotely close to each other in value, while Hasselbeck probably still holds more value than Pennington.

This trade would get laughed at in 99.9999999999999% of leagues.

[johngateswhiteley]

Sounds about right...LT is a top tier RB year in and year out, and Chad is a marginal top 10 QB, for 4 games this season anyway...

Worst trade in the history of FF :lol

100% correct. its all about relative value.

1. this trade is a joke
2. this league is a joke
3. the commish is a joke
4. and peter burns is a baby

p.s. i wasn't even going to say anything till peter posted the crap about cursing out the commish and then threatening to leave. what a baby.

[Spurminator]

its all about relative value.

Seems like a complicated league you guys are in. My league is about scoring more points than the other team.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

You forget to add that the commish is a joke as well.

[johngateswhiteley]

Seems like a complicated league you guys are in. My league is about scoring more points than the other team.

seems like a stupid league you're in...can i play next year.

[Mr Dio]

seems like a stupid league you're in...can i play next year.


Yeah, I'm sure they want a loser & cry baby whiner like you! :lol

Just give them your money & kiss it before you do. :lol

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Leinart for LT seems fair.

[johngateswhiteley]

Yeah, I'm sure they want a loser & cry baby whiner like you! :lol

Just give them your money & kiss it before you do. :lol

...play your first two picks this week.

[LEONARD]

Seems like a complicated league you guys are in. My league is about scoring more points than the other team.

Of course it is, but he's more valuable at his position (relative to the scoring of the other RB's)...

and on top of that, he outscores Pennington anyway!! :lol

Make sense??

[johngateswhiteley]

Leinart for LT seems fair.

thats probably what dio wants...i'll give him mewelde moore or ernest wilford for Leinart, and thats it.

[Mr Dio]

...play your first two picks this week.


Yeah, you would play 2 QBs! :lol :lol

[Mr Dio]

thats probably what dio wants...i'll give him mewelde moore or ernest wilford for Leinart, and thats it.


ONLY you would be dumb enough to do that.

You don't think everyone in the league thinks you're a DUMBASSSSSS for not drafting Leinart when you made Warner your #1 QB. :lol :lol :lol

[Guru of Nothing]

I'd be interested to hear if issues arise about problems in the ensuing weeks. Regardless if there was no collusion, if just two people believe differently, they might decide to work together and work for their best interest. In other words, the appearance of collusion begets collusion.

[MannyIsGod]

I think this is why its so important not to have idiots in your leauge. I really hate it when one dumbass throws the balance of the leauge so hard becuase he does stupid shit like draft moronicly and make ridiculous trades.

Ah well, thats fantasy sports for you.

[johnsmith]

What do you guys think of this one. We had a guy drop Shaun Alexander in our league because of his injury. Guess who got him? A guy that has LT and Willie Parker. Awesome, the rest of this season should be fun.

[PeterBurns]

you're a douche bag. to call and curse out the commish then threaten to pull out of the league...nice going pussy. a few things:

1. the trade is the WORST trade i have ever seen
2. is the trade your fault...no
3. should you feel bad about the trade...no
4. this is fantasy football, not the real world, when you make a trade like that you fuck everyone else...these are not players that you have any control over, they are in the NFL
5. i am all about big business and small gov't in the real world, but this is FFB
6. i want to play in this league next year, cause these guys are retarded
7. are you a pussy...yes

...congrats, you just won $1200...pussy.

Ahhh.
John. Ever the sensible poster.
1) You are close. It was a bad trade
2) You are correct
3) You are correct
4) This trade was offered to me, so I'm not the one fucking people over
5) Yes. It's just a game
6) Actually it's a good league with pretty savvy guys, that's why this was so crazy.
7) I'm a pussy? Take a real man to call another a Pussy on a chat board.
8) Hopefully, I did just win $1200.

[PeterBurns]

Oh, and agreed. This is the final stand I'm taking on this trade. I disagree with it. I've flip-flopped on this several times until JGW just pointed the "I threatened to pull out of the league" point you had made.


The only reason why I threatned to pull out of the league. Is because the trade was approved, and executed, and LT was in my starting lineup, until 2 of the guys that are friends with the Commish, called him personally and said he had to stop the trade. So then, the commish revoked the trade and took LT from my team.

[johnsmith]

The only reason why I threatned to pull out of the league. Is because the trade was approved, and executed, and LT was in my starting lineup, until 2 of the guys that are friends with the Commish, called him personally and said he had to stop the trade. So then, the commish revoked the trade and took LT from my team.


My advice, which is worth very little, don't ever play in this league again.

[johngateswhiteley]

Ahhh.
John. Ever the sensible poster.
1) You are close. It was a bad trade
2) You are correct
3) You are correct
4) This trade was offered to me, so I'm not the one fucking people over
5) Yes. It's just a game
6) Actually it's a good league with pretty savvy guys, that's why this was so crazy.
7) I'm a pussy? Take a real man to call another a Pussy on a chat board.
8) Hopefully, I did just win $1200.

the sensible thing to do, is not bitch and complain until you get your way...like a baby. i don't care what the circumstances were, its obvious part of the league did not want the trade to go through and at the very most you should have presented your case in a respectable manner. but you handled it like a girl...and also fucked your league over in the process.

i don't have anything against you, in fact i doubt i will ever meet you. but your actions are what you will be judged by...not your words or explanation thereafter.

finally, it is never too late to do the right thing...that applies in more than way, in this league.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The only reason why I threatned to pull out of the league. Is because the trade was approved, and executed, and LT was in my starting lineup, until 2 of the guys that are friends with the Commish, called him personally and said he had to stop the trade. So then, the commish revoked the trade and took LT from my team.


I can understand that. What I don't understand is how he approved it without saying a word.

[PeterBurns]

the sensible thing to do, is not bitch and complain until you get your way...like a baby. i don't care what the circumstances were, its obvious part of the league did not want the trade to go through and at the very most you should have presented your case in a respectable manner. but you handled it like a girl...and also fucked your league over in the process.

i don't have anything against you, in fact i doubt i will ever meet you. but your actions are what you will be judged by...not your words or explanation thereafter.

finally, it is never too late to do the right thing...that applies in more than way, in this league.

John, I guess you are right.
I handled it like a Girl that just got an extra $1200 to go shopping at the mall.
CHAMPIONSHIP

[johngateswhiteley]

John, I guess you are right.
I handled it like a Girl that just got an extra $1200 to go shopping at the mall.
CHAMPIONSHIP

...its how you win, that counts.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

...its how you win, that counts.

Oh, but hasn't Peter already won in so many ways?

http://www.mailbling.com/goo041.jpg

[johnsmith]

Oh, but hasn't Peter already won in so many ways?

http://www.mailbling.com/goo041.jpg


OVER RATED!!!

[PeterBurns]

OVER RATED!!!

Yes.
I don't like that shirt on me either JohnSmith.
Bad choice that day for me.

[johnsmith]

Yes.
I don't like that shirt on me either JohnSmith.
Bad choice that day for me.


:lmao :lmao

[johngateswhiteley]

Oh, but hasn't Peter already won in so many ways?

http://www.mailbling.com/goo041.jpg


...i don't know why you would bring that into this discussion. Stacie is a cute girl, no doubt, but she's not as pretty as either of my last two girlfriends...though i'll give her the nod on the two before those.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

...i don't know why you would bring that into this discussion. Stacie is a cute girl, no doubt, but she's not as pretty as either of my last two girlfriends...though i'll give her the nod on the two before those.

You know, you can still have a sense of humor.

[Kori Ellis]

Bump.

Good thing Peter Burns was able to trade Chad Pennington while his value was high. After his 71 yard, 3 INT performance, he'd probably only be able to get Larry Johnson for him.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Bump.

Good thing Peter Burns was able to trade Chad Pennington while his value was high. After his 71 yard, 3 INT performance, he'd probably only be able to get Larry Johnson for him.

Thanks, Kori...I needed a laugh.

[scott]

...i don't know why you would bring that into this discussion. Stacie is a cute girl, no doubt, but she's not as pretty as either of my last two girlfriends...though i'll give her the nod on the two before those.

This might be one of the most asshole posts I've seen on this board, including my own blasts of T Park over the years.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

This might be one of the most asshole posts I've seen on this board, including my own blasts of T Park over the years.

Don't be so hard on yourself...you've had some good asshole posts.

[MannyIsGod]

Zombie Tparks Girlfriend will blow the rest away.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Zombie Tparks Girlfriend will blow the rest away.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/SgtWhiskey/LMAO.gif

[PeterBurns]

SELL HIGH BABY.
Ouch. Pennington made Ryan Leaf look servicable today.

[johngateswhiteley]

This might be one of the most asshole posts I've seen on this board, including my own blasts of T Park over the years.


hmm, you've got me scratching my head on this one. why? Stacie is a cute girl (i said that)...and i am sure she is a lovely person.

i mean.....she'd have to be to put up with a whiny baby like Peter Burns.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

yeh screw Pennington, he ruined my week :lol

[PeterBurns]

i mean.....she'd have to be to put up with a whiny baby like Peter Burns.


She took me on as a charity case.
Kind of like Big Brothers/Big Sisters.

[LEONARD]

For the 3rd time, why can't we see the full rosters before this trade???

Pennington exposed for what he is... :lol

and LT probably has his lowest scoring week of the season...

[johnsmith]

She took me on as a charity case.
Kind of like Big Brothers/Big Sisters.


I don't know which Big Brothers/Big Sisters program you are talking about but the one I've heard of doesn't involve sleeping with your big brother or sister.

[LEONARD]

Like I said...most idiotic trade in the history of fantasy football!! hahahaha

and anybody that in any way tried to justify it should have their FF card revoked...

[LEONARD]

How's the Pennington owner in your league doing about right now??

:fro

[Guru of Nothing]

Bump!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Bump!

Instigator.