Breaking: Bin Laden on CNN!

[Nbadan]

Bin Laden Says He Wants To Tell Americans How Best To Avoid
Attacks

Bin Laden Says Bush Deceived Americans In Years Since Sept 11
Attacks

Bin Laden Says First Thought Of Attacking U.s. After 1982
Israeli Invasion Of Lebanon

Bin Laden Says Bush Administration Resembles "corrupt" Arab
Governments

Bin Laden Says Sept 11 Attacks Would Have Been Less Severe If
Bush Had Been Alert

[Marcus Bryant]

Damn, you sound so happy you must be ready to suck his cock.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I can see Dan typing that with a smile on his face.


Bin Laden Says First Thought Of Attacking U.s. After 1982

Bullshit.

[whottt]

So basically...Bin Laden is endorsing Kerry for President.

Old news...but thanks for reinforcing what most of us already knew.

[Marcus Bryant]

Interesting that bin Laden (if alive) is trying to influence an election via tape rather than oh, say, mass murder.

[Nbadan]

We are outraged, DISGUSTED, bullshit, that the Kennebunkport cowboy who vowed to getim, dead or alive, who vowed to smokim outta their holes, has done nothing, and this THUG is ADDRESSING THE NATION in clearer language than the weecowboy ever did. The spin, and it ain't spin, is that we are BULLSHIT. Bullshit at the INCOMPETENCE of our leadership!

Here he is, tanned, rested and ready, he has not been hiding in a cave, unless he had a sunlamp. His robes are beautiful, very nicely sewn and laundered--high end. He looks very well nourished, healthy, RELAXED, and he is speaking in a strong, clear voice, in plain sentences.

We can't find a guy who is six foot five in a country of people who are five eight? What does that say about the way weecowboy is prosecuting this so-called war on terra? This points to WEEWEE incompetence. We are outraged!! Bush said he might be dead, that he was not important, that he was not a PRIORITY....and here he is, lecturing us about MY PET GOAT. Talk about cutting the balls off of Bush!

[Marcus Bryant]

So basically the dude has been reduced to making threatening campaign tapes for Kerry in his little jihad love nest because he can no longer touch us here?

[whottt]

http://img18.exs.cx/img18/6113/kerry13.jpg

[Nbadan]

Josh Marshall nails it again..


October 29, 2004 -- 04:00 PM EDT // link // print)
Al Jazeera says it has a new tape from OBL. Will run it at 4 PM.

-- Josh Marshall
(October 29, 2004 -- 03:42 PM EDT // link // print)

With this morning's Di Rita press conference such a trainwreck, surely now must be time for a terror alert, right?

Release the hounds!

Talking Points Memo (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/)

http://www.bartcop.com/jihad-ally.jpg

[Marcus Bryant]

Damn, I was right again. (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5138) Go figure:


How soon will it be until danny boy claims that the neocons put bin Laden up to this?

[whottt]

Right he's blaming them for it in the same thread where he said he'd never accused them of being behind it.

Don't sweat it Dannyboy...FDR let it happen...he still turned out to be a decent president.

[Nbadan]

More from the Bin Laden tape...


"Your security is not in the hands of (Democratic candidate John) Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said.

"To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster," he said. "I tell you: security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security."

"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers.

"We fought you because we are free .. and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours."

Yahoo News

[Marcus Bryant]

danny boy is taking conflicting positions (as if that is a surprise, and I'm not talking about the ones his boyfriend puts him in). On the one hand the claim is that this tape is inauthentic, a political stunt by the opponent's campaign. On the other he says the tape is true and he blames Bush.

Go figure.

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.bartcop.com/jihad-ally.jpg

actually Marcus, I thought this one was pretty funny...

and BTW...it is not parodying the OBL sppech but the one from a couple of days ago with the American accent...

[exstatic]

No Neocons behind this, although I have to disagree with those on the board that think that OBL wants Kerry in the WH. That would be logical, but all he wants is a Jihad, and he's more likely to get that with Dubyah at the helm, wanting a Crusade just as much.

I also remember some here saying he was dead. What up?

[Marcus Bryant]

it is not parodying the OBL sppech but the one from a couple of days ago with the American accent...

Sure but the material danny was quoting was in regards to the UBL/OBL/ODB tape from today.

[Marcus Bryant]

No Neocons behind this, although I have to disagree with those on the board that think that OBL wants Kerry in the WH. That would be logical, but all he wants is a Jihad, and he's more likely to get that with Dubyah at the helm, wanting a Crusade just as much.

He basically blamed Bush in the tape.

I didn't realize Bush was president when al Qaeda attacked in Somalia in 1993. Khobar Towers in 1995. The Nigerian and Tanzanian embassies in 1998, and the USS Cole in 2000.

He seemed to be on a jihad a bit before Bush43 was president.




I also remember some here saying he was dead. What up?

If the tape is current, then where's he been? Not hard to think he's dead considering how little we've heard from him for some time.

[exstatic]

If the tape is current, then where's he been?

Probably summering in Kennebunkport.

"Hey dad, who are those guys in the robes?"
"Smile and wave, son. They're probably our Saudi benefactors"

Wonder if he'd be so tanned and healthy if we had, oh say, another 100K pair of boots on the ground in Afghanistan?

[exstatic]

He seemed to be on a jihad a bit before Bush43 was president.

His ultimate goal is all out war between Islam and Christianity. He will take his shots no matter who is in the WH, but the thought of an evangelical christian who sees himself as a man of destiny as his foil makes me worried.

[Nbadan]

If the tape is current, then where's he been?

I hear the WH Lincoln bedroom is for lease.



also remember some here saying he was dead. What up?

Yeah, Where is YONI hiding today?

[ClintSquint]

Why is anyone giving OBL the time of day anyway?
Even Bush himself has said that we can never stop all terrorist attacks.
It'll happen again. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but someday.
I'm for Texas justice and say we get him dead or alive.

[Marcus Bryant]

His ultimate goal is all out war

So instead of the United States putting him out of his misery we should go back to the pre-9/11 approach of wishing him away? Sorry man, been there done that.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So people were wrong on Osama being dead. Rejoice![/liberal] Look, it was a logical assumption seeings he hadn't shown his ugly mug on tv in a year.

Dan, when will you get it? This isn't about Bush. You want to know what Osama wants?

Here you go (abridged version):

1. Pull the rug out from Sharon and Israel, and let the Jews cease to exist.

2. Quit backing what many in the Arab world perceive to be oppressive regimes, and let regime change occur (in favor of radical Islamist theocracies)... this would be Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan, Turkey.

3. Let them raise the oil prices up to "accepted prices" (determined by radical Islamist leaders like himself (Osama)

4. Help the Chechnyans defeat Russia.

5. Let the rebels win in the Phillipines

6. Let the Muslims continue their genocide in Africa, until nothing but Arabs remain

7. Pull the plug on Musharraf in Pakistan, and let the "new" Pakistani regime have Kashmir too.

And guess what, when we've given in to all that, Africa will be a Muslim continent. Then it will be time for Asia and Europe to submit, then America.

But it's all out of hate for Bush, right?

One day the rest of the world will wake up, probably when AQ associates start making political waves in their country.

To me the most interesting thing in the news the last two weeks was that in the polls overseas of other countries asking about the presidency of the US, the two countries facing extensive terrorism (Israel and Russia) voted for Bush, those that have been in the free and clear like Kerry. It makes you think.

[ClintSquint]

I've always said OBL needed to be dealt with as have many "liberals".
The issue was Bush going after Saddam and Iraq who had nothing to do with 9/11.
But now that Bush has us in Iraq we must finish the job just like we should have finished OBL.

[Marcus Bryant]

Dealing with Saddam was not about retribution for 9/11.

[ClintSquint]

Dealing with Saddam was not about retribution for 9/11.

Not according to the way Bush and Cheney told it.
You know damn well that they did.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Clint, you want to go after Osama? He's holed up in western Pakistan. How many body bags do you want coming back to America after that one?

You've got the majority of AQ who escaped Afghanistan camping out there, and you have a large, lawless region of Muslim tribal fundamentalists camping out there.

You want Osama dead? You and the rest of the PC crowd stand up and say you don't mind the US dropping another nuke, because that's about the only way you're gonna get OBL in western Pakistan without having 10-20K (maybe more) dead American troops coming back, all to say we got one man.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Not according to the way Bush and Cheney told it.
You know damn well that they did.


When did they ever say it was punishment for 9/11? You must have missed something, all I caught was 1) WMD, 2) supporting terrorism abroad, 3) link to AQ.

I never heard Bush say "9/11 pissed me off, and Saddam's gonna pay for it."

[whottt]

Not according to the way Bush and Cheney told it.
You know damn well that they did.

I never saw it that way...I looked at it as if Saddam was a threat with WMD and Iraq a place where a terrorist WMD connection was likely to transpire. The sanctions were also a chief recruiting tool for Bin Laden.

I looked at it as we went into Iraq for legitimate reasons...War profiteering was going to happen by someone...better us than Europe, but it wasn't the main reason for going into Iraq.

[Hook Dem]

Why is anyone giving OBL the time of day anyway?
Even Bush himself has said that we can never stop all terrorist attacks.
It'll happen again. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but someday.
I'm for Texas justice and say we get him dead or alive.
Clint...I agree with you about not giving OBL the time of day. See if you can convince Dan the soothsayer!

[ClintSquint]

Well as you can all see I'm not good with words but I do want OBL dead.
Bush keeps saying he wants to take the fight to Al Queda then let's get OBL!!

Cheney kept saying "We know Saddam had connections with Al Queda...".
Maybe I'm just a dumb cowboy but that's how I took it.

If he's in Pakistan than let's take them out for harboring a known terrorist!

Wake Up America!!

[Marcus Bryant]

Not according to the way Bush and Cheney told it.
You know damn well that they did.

What they told was that we had every reason to believe that Saddam could help out ODB the next time around and that might not be a pleasant prospect considering that the entire world thought he had nukes. The Clinton administration certainly thought that was a real possibility and definitely not one to take lightly.

[whottt]

If he's in Pakistan than let's take them out for harboring a known terrorist!

Wake Up America!!

No one is fooled by Pakistan...it is a huge cause of terrorism and it's nukes a really scary thought for most of us...but Musharraf isn't any more popular with terrorists than we are. Right now...it's better to have Pakistan as an ally in the war on terror. It's also difficult to take on countries with nukes, which is why it was better to err on the side of caution with Iraq. Musharraf may well turn out to be another Saddam..and if he does we'll have to cross that bridge when we come to it. Right now he helps us more as an ally than he does as an enemy.

Don't be surprised if our relationship with India gets stronger at some point. As Bush said at the beginning of this journey...the alliances are going to change...we are going to turn them against each other...this is not going to be a conventional war.

[NeoConIV]

No one is fooled by Pakistan...it is a huge cause of terrorism and it's nukes a really scary thought for most of us...but Musharraf isn't any more popular with terrorists than we are. Right now...it's better to have Pakistan as an ally in the war on terror. It's also difficult to take on countries with nukes, which is why it was better to err on the side of caution with Iraq. Musharraf may well turn out to be another Saddam..and if he does we'll have to cross that bridge when we come to it. Right now he helps us more as an ally than he does as an enemy.

Don't be surprised if our relationship with India gets stronger at some point. As Bush said at the beginning of this journey...the alliances are going to change...we are going to turn them against each other...this is not going to be a conventional war.

Ditto Whotttaburger.