Plane crashes into building in NYC (DOES NOT LOOK LIKE TERRORISM @ 1:59 P.M. CST)

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

CNN has a small aircraft crashing into a highrise building. General aviation plane, building on fire.

[dougp]

I was just about to post this ... nothing on CNN.com yet.

[sa_butta]

Damn. This will get tons of attention.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

CNN has breaking news alert online.

FOXNews says the FAA is reporting this is not terrorism-related.

FOXNews says helicopter. AP says small aircraft.

20th floor on E. 72nd Street.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

524 E. 72nd Street reports MSNBC.

[sa_butta]

Looks like a small fire on TV. Is that an Apartment building??

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Looks like a small fire on TV. Is that an Apartment building??

That's what WNBC (NY) says.

Helicopter into building, pilot injured.

[ducks]

Plane crashes into Manhattan building 1 minute ago



A small plane crashed into a high-rise on the Upper East Side, setting off a fire and startling New Yorkers, police said.

Fire Department spokeswoman Emily Rahimi said an aircraft struck struck the 20th floor of a building on East 72nd Street. Witnesses said the crash caused a loud noise, and burning and falling debris was seen. Flames were seen shooting out of the windows. Video from the scene showed at least three apartments in the high rise fully engulfed in flames.

There was no immediate word on any deaths or injuries.

It was not immediately known if it was a terrorist act.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061011/ap_on_re_us/plane_nyc&printer=1;_ylt=Aue9Ci8aSS0cjpTpz_SAXntH2ocA;_ylu=X 3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Bellaire building.

[sa_butta]

That's what WNBC (NY) says.

Helicopter into building, pilot injured.Oh ok, we have TV at my work but the volume is down and Im a little ways a way.

[ducks]

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/images/10/11/newt1.1500.plane.cnn.jpg

[ducks]

yahoo.com
is faster then cnn and foxnews out with an article

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/101106_plane_crash6.jpg

[ducks]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/101106_plane_crash6.jpg
damm you beat me :lol

[sa_butta]

Plane crashes into Manhattan building 1 minute ago



A small plane crashed into a high-rise on the Upper East Side, setting off a fire and startling New Yorkers, police said.

Fire Department spokeswoman Emily Rahimi said an aircraft struck struck the 20th floor of a building on East 72nd Street. Witnesses said the crash caused a loud noise, and burning and falling debris was seen. Flames were seen shooting out of the windows. Video from the scene showed at least three apartments in the high rise fully engulfed in flames.

There was no immediate word on any deaths or injuries.

It was not immediately known if it was a terrorist act.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061011/ap_on_re_us/plane_nyc&printer=1;_ylt=Aue9Ci8aSS0cjpTpz_SAXntH2ocA;_ylu=X 3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-You can watch it live on ABC live link. Not much sound and kinda smokey though.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

yahoo.com
is faster then cnn and foxnews out with an article

Yeah, Yahoo's got a direct-type link to the AP Wire for near-instantaneous publication. A friend of mine who worked for the AP told me Yahoo! is best for AP Wire updates.

[ducks]

Aircraft crashes into New York building

NEW YORK (AP) -- Police say an aircraft has crashed into a building on Manhattan's Upper East Side at 72nd Street and York Avenue. It is near Rockefeller Center.

There was no word on casualties.

Video from the scene shows at least three apartments in the high rise fully engulfed in flames.

It's unclear if it was a small plane or a helicopter.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/11/plane.crash.ap/index.html

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Apartment building has units that cost approx. $500K-$1M.

[ducks]

http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/abc_planecrash2_061011_nr.jpg

[ducks]

NEW YORK CITY'S WABC-TV REPORTS GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT CRASHES INTO APARTMENT BUILDING ON UPPER EAST SIDE OF MANHATTAN
ABC News
Plane Crashes Into Manhattan BuildingPlane Crashes Into Building on Manhattan's Upper

NEW YORK Oct 11, 2006 (AP)— A plane crash has been reported on Manhattan's Upper East Side. Video from the scene shows at least three apartments in the high rise fully engulfed in flames.


Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2554489

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

FDNY says 3-alarms issued.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

FDNY confirms 2 dead.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

FAA Spokeswoman says fixed-wing aircraft crashed.

[sa_butta]

I heard from ABC that the fire had spread to another apartment building.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.tampabays10.com/video/live/breaking/

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Aerial view of building (NOT RECENT)

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=qsv01s8v3k50&style=o&lvl=2&scene=1645373&sp=Point.qsv04b8v3h0z_525%20E%2072nd%20St%2C%20New %20York%2C%20NY%2010021-9601%2C%20United%20States___

[sa_butta]

Homeland Security, Ambulances, cops all over the ground.

[sa_butta]

reported, 3 apartments affected.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Apparently, hospitals are very nearby so that's good.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

HazMat tape across the scene - Fox News NYC.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

New York Times

Small Aircraft Hits Building in Manhattan
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

NEW YORK (AP) -- A small plane crashed into a high-rise on the Upper East Side, raining down debris on Manhattan and unleashing what witnesses reported was a gigantic fireball, police said.

The aircraft struck the 20th floor of a building on East 72nd Street, said Fire Department spokeswoman Emily Rahimi. Witnesses said the crash caused a loud noise, and burning and falling debris was seen. Flames were seen shooting out of the windows.

"There's huge pieces of debris falling," said one witness who refused to give her full name. "There's so much falling now, I've got to get away."

The Federal Aviation Administration said it was too early to determine what type of aircraft was involved, or what might have caused the crash in the middle of a hazy October afternoon.

Witness Sarah Steiner, who lives one block away, told CNN that "The fire was raging out of two windows on approximately the 30th floor. ... They are evacuating the building."

Whether anyone was injured was not known, and it was unclear if the crash was an act of terrorism. Firefighters rushed to the scene.

The address of the building is 524 E. 72nd Street -- a 50-story condominium tower built in the late 1980s and located near Sotheby's Auction House. The Belaire Condo, developed by William Zeckendorf Jr., has 183 apartments, many of which sell for more than $1 million.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force responding to the scene, but no reason to suspect terrorism at this time.

FOX

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Is Bill Hemmer walking his dog?

[sa_butta]

Any confirmation whether it is a helicopter or small airplane?

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

NORAD dispatching fighter planes over major U.S. cities.
CNN.

[sa_butta]

...

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

NORAD has decided to put fighter aircraft over several large U.S. cities

-CNN

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Any confirmation whether it is a helicopter or small airplane?

FAA, eyewitnesses say airplane.

[sa_butta]

LIVE VIDEO

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[Condemned 2 HelLA]

4 alarm fire.
168 firefighters on scene.

-CNN

[Spurminator]

On the 11th, no less. Prayers to all involved, hope this is simply an accident.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

2 bodies (1 in wreckage, 1 on ground).

Plane made radical turn at about 800 feet.

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

CNN is saying only 1 confirmed dead.

[ducks]

Aircraft hits Manhattan building; 2 dead By COLEEN LONG, Associated Press Writer
5 minutes ago



NEW YORK - A small plane crashed into an Upper East Side high-rise Wednesday, shooting flames out the windows, raining debris on the sidewalks below and rattling New Yorkers' nerves exactly one month after the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack. Police confirmed 2 people are dead.

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Christine Monaco, a New York spokeswoman for FBI, said there was no indication of terrorism, but that officials "have been sent to the scene as a routine." FAA spokesman Jim Peters said all three New York City-area airports were operating normally.

"The initial indication is that there is a terrible accident," said Department of Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke.

Nevertheless, fighter jets were scrambled over U.S. cities as a precaution, the Pentagon said.

The aircraft struck the 20th floor of a building on East 72nd Street, said Fire Department spokeswoman Emily Rahimi. Witnesses said the crash caused a loud noise, and flames were seen shooting out of the windows.

"It's a mob scene with police and helicopters circling," said Sandy Teller, watching from his apartment a block away. "There's a dozen ambulances and lots of firefighters waiting on 72nd, on the corner. There's lots of stretchers ready, gurneys. And lots of emergency people waiting."

The crash struck fear in a city devastated by the attacks of Sept. 11 five years ago. Witnesses said sirens echoed across the east side of Manhattan as emergency workers rushed to the scene. The crash triggered a loud bang. Broken glass and debris was strewn around the neighborhood.

"There's a sense of helplessness," Teller said. "Cots and gurneys, waiting. It's a mess."

The Federal Aviation Administration said it was too early to determine what type of aircraft was involved, or what might have caused the crash in the middle of a hazy October afternoon.

Richard Drutman, a professional photographer who lives on the building's 11th floor, said he was speaking on the telephone when he felt the building shake.

"There was a huge explosion. I looked out my window, and saw what appeared to be pieces of wings, on fire, falling from the sky," Drutman said.

He and his girlfriend quickly evacuated the building.

The address of the building is 524 E. 72nd Street — a 50-story condominium tower built in the late 1980s and located near Sotheby's auction house. The Belaire Condo, developed by William Zeckendorf Jr., has 183 apartments, many of which sell for more than $1 million.

Several lower floors of the building are occupied by doctors and administrative offices, as well as guest facilities for family members of patients at the Hospital for Special Surgery, hospital spokeswoman Phyllis Fisher said. No patients were in the high-rise building and operations at the hospital a block away weren't affected, Fisher said. The Hospital for Special Surgery specializes in orthopedic operations.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061011/ap_on_re_us/manhattan_plane_crash

[j-6]

I don't buy this accident shit. The plane hit the 20th floor of a 50 story building dead-on -not a corner. Add to it that it's a month to the day after the 9-11 5th anniversary.

edit: and duh, it happened in NYC, not Tulsa or Toledo.

[tlongII]

I don't buy this accident shit. The plane hit the 20th floor of a 50 story building dead-on -not a corner. Add to it that it's a month to the day after the 9-11 5th anniversary.

edit: and duh, it happened in NYC, not Tulsa or Toledo.


I have to agree with you at first glance. I don't see how somebody flies a plane into the side of a high-rise by accident. I hope I'm wrong, but it sure seems fishy.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't buy this accident shit. The plane hit the 20th floor of a 50 story building dead-on -not a corner. Add to it that it's a month to the day after the 9-11 5th anniversary.

edit: and duh, it happened in NYC, not Tulsa or Toledo.

http://www.supportourribbons.com/e/40897.jpg

[sa_butta]

http://www.supportourribbons.com/e/40897.jpgIm sure they are already on Ebay selling like hotcakes.

[ducks]

Small Aircraft Crashes Into New York City High-Rise Building

Wednesday, October 11, 2006






NEW YORK — A small aircraft crashed into a high-rise building on Manhattan's Upper East Side Wednesday, igniting a raging fire, killing at least two and trapping people on the floors above the point of impact.

New York Police Department officials said two were confirmed dead and there could be more fatalities. The New York Fire Department told FOX News that there were people trapped inside the building on floors above where the fire broke out.

The Federal Aviation Administration said that the small aircraft was fixed wing, but earlier reports indicated that it may have been a small helicopter.

FBI spokeswoman Christine Monaco said there was no indication the crash — which happened five years and one month after Sept. 11, 2001 — was a terrorist attack, but officials "have been sent to the scene as a routine."

"The initial indication is that there is a terrible accident," said Department of Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke.

FAA spokesman Jim Peters initially said that all three New York City-area airports were operating normally, but LaGuardia International Airport later reported gate hold and taxi delays of between 31 and 45 minutes in length that were increasing.

LaGuardia arrival traffic had airborne delays of 15 minutes or less, according to the airport.

Fire Department spokeswoman Emily Rahimi said the aircraft struck the 20th floor of the building, located at 524 East 72nd Street.

The crash set off a raging fire that sent a pillar of gray smoke over the city, police said. Witnesses reported seeing a gigantic fireball come out of the building, according to authorities.

Flames could be seen shooting from windows on two or three upper floors of the 50-story building, near the East River. Burning debris rained down onto the street below.

"There's huge pieces of debris falling," said one witness who refused to give her full name. "There's so much falling now, I've got to get away."

Mayor Michael Bloomberg went to the site, where parts of the fuselage were falling to the ground.

There were dozens of firefighters, emergency workers and other first responders on the scene. Fighter jets were patrolling the skies as a precaution.

FAA spokeswoman Diane Spitaliere said that a small, fixed-wing aircraft was involved, but there was very little other information immediately available. A helicopter would be expected in that area of the city; no other aircraft should be around that part of Manhattan, according to the FAA.

"Everyone was running down the street, kids were screaming and crying," Rich Behar, a New York City resident and former Time magazine reporter, told FOX News. "There was a lot of horror and terror when it hit," Behar added, saying the whole ordeal reminded him of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

As of 3:25 p.m. ET, the incident had not affected flights coming in or out of the New York area.
The building is a 50-story condominium tower built in 1986 and located nearby Sotheby's Auction House. It has 183 apartments, many of which sell for more than $1 million.

A spokesman for the National Transportation Security Board said that agency is organizing a team to send to New York to investigate the crash.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[CosmicCowboy]

Accidents happen. I have intentionally stalled airplanes and sailplanes for practice/fun and they are basically uncontrollable till you get enough airflow and lift re-established. A major cause of small plane accidents are unintentional stalls...both low speed and high speed stalls...Where that plane was he wouldn't have any choice BUT to hit a building if he screwed up...and mistakes/mechanical failures do happen...don't automatically assume it was terrorists.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Accidents happen. I have intentionally stalled airplanes and sailplanes for practice/fun and they are basically uncontrollable till you get enough airflow and lift re-established. A major cause of small plane accidents are unintentional stalls...both low speed and high speed stalls...Where that plane was he wouldn't have any choice BUT to hit a building if he screw up...and mistakes/mechanical failures do happen...don't automatically assume it was terrorists.

An eyewitness said it looked like it was a stall, so yeah.

[ducks]

if it was not an accident they would have attacked someplace else to kill more people so people would assume it was terrioust

[ABDENOUR POWER]

AP says small aircraft.

Don't put words in my mouth.

[johnsmith]

I don't mean to sound like a dick here but I think it will come off as such but I'll say it anyway. If it was a terrorist (which I don't think it is), then he/she did a pretty weak ass job on this one. I mean, a small plane into an apartment building in the middle of the day. It's almost amazing that even 1 person was killed, and that was from debris, and the other was in the plane.

Had to be an accident or a suicide aimed at being "remembered"......terrorists aren't this small minded. I don't think so anyway.

[johnsmith]

Go Broncos.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I don't mean to sound like a dick here but I think it will come off as such but I'll say it anyway. If it was a terrorist (which I don't think it is), then he/she did a pretty weak ass job on this one. I mean, a small plane into an apartment building in the middle of the day. It's almost amazing that even 1 person was killed, and that was from debris, and the other was in the plane.

Had to be an accident or a suicide aimed at being "remembered"......terrorists aren't this small minded. I don't think so anyway.

HOLY FUCK!

CORY LIDLE WAS KILLED IN THAT CRASH.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I just heard Lidle may have been the pilot. WTF?

[ducks]

Go Broncos.
wrong forum

[johnsmith]

HOLY FUCK!

CORY LIDLE WAS KILLED IN THAT CRASH.


You're not serious are you?

[katyon6th]

HOLY FUCK!

CORY LIDLE WAS KILLED IN THAT CRASH.

That's what I just heard.

[johnsmith]

wrong forum


Yeah, I know, just wanted to throw it out there.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

You're not serious are you?

ESPN just broke in. He was apparently the pilot.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Dead serious. ESPNews is reporting it.

[katyon6th]

Suicide?

[ducks]

First responders to the New York plane crash say an emergency call was made from the plane indicating a possible fuel problem.

The plane is registered to NY Yankee Cory Lidle who was scheduled to be flying home for the off-season

[johnsmith]

Holy shit? Maybe he was still upset about the Yankees loss........bad taste, I know.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

ESPN just broke in. He was apparently the pilot.

Lidle's passport found on street.

[katyon6th]

Holy shit? Maybe he was still upset about the Yankees loss........bad taste, I know.

I beat you. You're such an asshole.

[sa_butta]

Damn, that really sucks. I doubt this was a suicide attempt.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://news.google.com/news?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tab=wn&q=cory+lidle&scoring=d

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Fewer than 400 hours in the air.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=117756

Full Name: Cory Fulton Lidle
Born: 03/22/1972
Birthplace: Hollywood, CA
Height: 5'11" Weight: 190
Bats: Right
Throws: Right
College: N/A
MLB Debut: 05/08/1997

[johnsmith]

I beat you. You're such an asshole.


Hey, like you said, you beat me to it.

The only way I think it would be proved a suicide is if A-Rod was on the plane with him.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Cory Fulton Lidle...Married Melanie Varela (1/7/97); one son, Christopher Taylor (9/18/00)...1990 graduate of South Hills High School (CA), where he was a teammate of Jason Giambi...Was All-State his senior year...His twin brother, Kevin, played minor league baseball, first as a catcher and then as a pitcher...Is a relative of Robert Fulton, inventor of the steamboat.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Certainly puts a damper on the LCS tonight. Isn't Lidle from Cali?

EDIT: Resides in Glendale.

[Taco]

http://espn.go.com/
Yankees' Lidle Dies In Plane Crash
New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle was the pilot of a small airplane that crashed into a 50-story condominium in Manhattan, and Lidle is one of two confirmed dead, New York police said.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I'm going to assume he was flying to Philly.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Four dead.

[MannyIsGod]

Eyewitness says that the plane was out of control. Really erratic. Just some dude at the scene, take it for what its worth.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Thurman Munson all over again.

[johnsmith]

Remember Thurman Thomas, he was good.

[FromWayDowntown]

Thurman Munson all over again.

That thought occurred to me, too. I'll never, ever forget hearing about Munson's death. I doubt I'll forget this either.

Regardless, it's terribly sad, both for Cory Lidle's family and friends and for the heretofore anonymous people who've been killed, injured, or impacted by this.

[CosmicCowboy]

The pilot was apparently NY Yankee pitcher Cory Lidle.

oops...didn't see the posts on the previous page.

[johnsmith]

The pilot was apparently NY Yankee pitcher Cory Lidle.



:lmao :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

The pilot was apparently NY Yankee pitcher Cory Lidle.No shit?

[johnsmith]

Not laughing because it ws Lidle, laughing because we had been discussing that for the past two pages.

[Kori Ellis]

:lmao :lmao

Why is that funny! The guy died.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Reading one one of the NYY forums, he was supposedly traveling with his 7 year old son, Chris. Lidle had been a pilot for 8 months with a little over 400 hours experience.

[johnsmith]

Why is that funny! The guy died.


Keep reading.

[Kori Ellis]

Keep reading.

Already did. I just posted at the same time as you.

[johnsmith]

Already did. I just posted at the same time as you.


Come on Kori, I may be a dick, but I'm not heartless.

[LuvBones]

Wow.

[katyon6th]

Reading one one of the NYY forums, he was supposedly traveling with his 7 year old son, Chris. Lidle had been a pilot for 8 months with a little over 400 hours experience.

Wow. :(

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

FBI says Lidle was alone on plane.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Hmm, FOX 5 NY is reporting 2 on the plane and 2 on the ground...

And Bloomberg just confirmed 2 in the plane. Yankee Fan is speculating that Abreu may have been the other deceased.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/sports/baseball/08yankees.html?ex=1160712000&en=e3c16d3546db809f&ei=5070

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/09/08/sports/08Yankees.1.600.jpg

September 8, 2006
In Lidle, Yanks Have Extra Pitcher and Backup Pilot
By TYLER KEPNER

When the Yankees fly, the pilots are not only in the cockpit. There is another pilot in the main cabin, where the players sit. He is probably studying his hand-held Global Positioning System receiver, tracking the weather and noting the plane’s precise speed and altitude.

He is Cory Lidle, who has been a major league pitcher for nine years and a pilot for seven months. He earned his pilot’s license last off-season and bought a four-seat airplane for $187,000. It is a Cirrus SR20, built in 2002, with fewer than 400 hours in the air.

A player-pilot is still a sensitive topic for the Yankees, whose captain, Thurman Munson, was killed in the crash of a plane he was flying in 1979. Lidle, acquired from the Philadelphia Phillies on July 30, said his plane was safe.

“The whole plane has a parachute on it,” Lidle said. “Ninety-nine percent of pilots that go up never have engine failure, and the 1 percent that do usually land it. But if you’re up in the air and something goes wrong, you pull that parachute, and the whole plane goes down slowly.”

Lidle, 34, lives in West Covina, Calif., 20 miles or so east of Los Angeles. On a trip to Arizona last season, Lidle saw a former teammate, Tom Wilson, whose friend is a pilot.

Lidle became intrigued by how quickly he could navigate the Southwest if he could fly a plane. He had never flown, but decided that if he could learn in an off-season, he would make it his top priority.

The day after the Phillies’ season ended, Lidle met with an instructor, Tyler Stanger, in nearby Pomona, Calif. They flew to Long Beach that day, and Lidle was hooked.

“He was probably my best student,” Stanger said in a telephone interview. “He learned very, very quickly, and a lot of it is desire. He had huge desire.

“Really, anyone can learn how to fly. If you can drive a bus, you can fly an airplane. But to learn quickly takes money and time. Of course, Cory had plenty of money, and it was the off-season, so he had the time.”

Lidle, who is making $3.3 million this season, met with Stanger twice a week, for three or four hours at a time, all winter. He became queasy once, Stanger said, somewhere over New Mexico while returning from Texas. Otherwise, Lidle was a natural.

Part of Stanger’s job is to surprise students by simulating emergencies. He will pull the throttle to the idle position, essentially letting the plane coast as if the engine were failing.

Other times, he said, he would instruct a student to wear blinders so only the instrument panel was visible, simulating bad weather. Then Stanger would tilt the plane nose-high or nose-low, making the student recover by trusting the instruments.

“Most people get kind of ruffled,” Stanger said. “He was like, ‘O.K., no big deal.’ A lot of it is his mental state.

“On the mound, he has to hold in all the emotions and keep completely focused. It’s the same thing flying: If you’re in an emergency, you can’t waste any time worrying. You have to take command of the situation. A lot of people I fly with don’t have that mentality. Cory does.”

Flying has become a passion for Lidle, who said he had spent about 95 solo hours in the air. After a recent day game at Yankee Stadium, he took a train to Philadelphia, fetched his plane from a nearby airport and flew it to Teterboro Airport in New Jersey, where he keeps it during the season.

If Lidle re-signs with the Yankees, he would fly at his own risk; in the Yankees’ standard contract, a player who injures himself in an off-field activity like flying would jeopardize the guaranteed money in his deal.

For now, Lidle plans to enjoy flying this off-season, unburdened by the notorious California traffic.

“It’s basically to bring things a little closer to reach,” he said. “Now I can go to Pebble Beach if I want, and instead of driving there for five hours, I can fly there in an hour and 45 minutes. I can go to Arizona to golf, or Vegas, wherever.”

On a conference call with reporters the day after he was traded, Lidle criticized his former Phillies teammates for their effort near the trade deadline. Lidle said he was not thinking before he spoke and nearly forgot about the call because he was outside in the heat, cleaning his plane.

The Phillies have done well without him, and the Yankees have thrived with him and outfielder Bobby Abreu, who has hit .355 since also being acquired in the trade. Lidle, who starts tonight in Baltimore, is 3-2 with a 3.38 earned run average in six starts with the Yankees.

Because they were off yesterday, the Yankees are skipping Jaret Wright’s turn in the rotation. The fact that they kept Lidle on schedule could give Lidle the edge on Wright if the Yankees need a fourth starter in the playoffs.

Manager Joe Torre, though, does not seem quite sold on Lidle, a finesse pitcher who deliberately throws slower than 90 miles an hour so his sinker fades better.

“He’s one of those guys who gives you six strong innings, and then maybe won’t get out of the second,” Torre said. “It’s all about command, all about throwing strikes, and if they’re going to swing at the balls that he throws.

“So you have to be prepared for that. That’s why, on Friday, it will be him, and Jaret will be lurking.”

In other words, if Lidle struggles tonight, Wright will be his parachute.

[CosmicCowboy]

Damn. He could have afforded a pilot till he got more hours. He probably just got his twin engine ticket.

[Kori Ellis]

On Sunday, the day after the Yankees were eliminated from the playoffs, Lidle cleaned out his locker at Yankee Stadium and talked about his interest in flying. He explained to reporters the process of getting a pilot's license, and said he intended to fly back to California in several days and planned to make a few stops.

[johnsmith]

When will rich people learn, don't fly your own plane...........or go skiing.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

ESPN2 has PTI Live.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

"The whole plane has a parachute on it," Lidle said. "Ninety-nine percent of pilots that go up never have engine failure, and the 1 percent that do usually land it. But if you're up in the air and something goes wrong, you pull that parachute, and the whole plane goes down slowly."

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_284145842.html

Interesting twist...

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Mayor Bloomberg said the two dead on the plane were instructor and pilot.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

NYM-STL might get postponed (rain and Lidle).

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

FAA reports on Lidle's plane.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?verified=1&NNumbertxt=929CD

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Medical examiner confirms it was Lidle, NYC officials (Bloomberg) will not say Lidle as next of kin has not been notified (also an instructor on the plane).

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Agent confirms:

Lidle reportedly killed in plane crash
10/11/2006 4:48 PM ET
MLB.com

NEW YORK -- Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle was the pilot of a small plane that crashed into a high-rise apartment building in Manhattan on Wednesday, according to published reports.

Lidle, 34, was killed in the crash, the reports said.

Four deaths were confirmed by the city medical examiner's office, CNN reported.

Yankees manager Joe Torre told CNN that the plane that was a Cirrus SR-20 registered to Lidle.

A New York City Fire Department spokeswoman, Emily Rahimi, told The Associated Press that the aircraft struck the 20th floor of the 50-story building, at 524 E. 72nd St., on the east side of Manhattan.

Lidle, whose team was eliminated Saturday in the Division Series by the Detroit Tigers, had told reporters he planned to fly home today.

Federal Aviation Administration records showed the single-engine plane was registered to Lidle, and FBI reports show that Lidle's passport was found at the scene, according to a report on ESPN.com.

Lidle's agent, Jordan Feagan, told Newsday he was told by the Yankees that Lidle was among the fatalities of the 2:30 p.m. crash.

"He wasn't just my client. He was probably my closest friend," Feagan said.

MLB.com

[johnsmith]

Damn JB, who needs to read any news websites when they can just read your updates all day? This is way easier then CNN.com, just click refresh and you have a new part of the story.

Hey, tomorrow I'm going to be interested in the weather in the Corpus area, I want all day coverage on it too.

[sa_butta]

Sad day for baseball. Prayers to his family and friends.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Newsday Blog

Cory Lidle dies

Just got off the phone with Cory's agent, Jordan Feagan, who had just heard from the Yankees that Cory was in fact on the plane that crashed in Manhattan today. He was breaking up, understandably, having worked with Cory for about a decade. "He just wasn't my client. Probably my closest friend." He then asked to leave the phone call because he had to get in touch with Cory's wife. So sad, so sad.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Why would they postpone the NLCS game because of this?

And I know it's drizzling in NY as we speak...

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Sad day for baseball. Prayers to his family and friends.

True (and I'm not saying you're doing it wrong), but there are other families to think of today, too.

[sa_butta]

how old was his kid?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Mayday call issued before crash.

UNCONFIRMED RUMOR

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

how old was his kid?

I've heard both 6 and 7.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

how old was his kid?

Seven.

No more reports that son was on the plane. New reports (including Mayor Bloomberg's conference) say second on plane was instructor.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I didn't realize Lidle was a replacement player.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm pretty sure an earlier article said it was a twin engine plane. The Cirrus is a single.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'm pretty sure an earlier article said it was a twin engine plane. The Cirrus is a single.

Correct. FAA report confirms.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://graphics10.nytimes.com/images/2006/10/11/nyregion/11crash2.337.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

It gets even worse. He was only VFR rated and wasn't instrument qualified. No way he should have been flying in that overcast.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://flickr.com/photos/minor9th/267206005/

Least-appropriately named eyewitness in the history of television

[ducks]

I wonder if the other people that got hurt and the people that own the appartments will sue for damages since he was not qualified to even fly

[sa_butta]

http://flickr.com/photos/minor9th/267206005/

Least-appropriately named eyewitness in the history of televisionHer name tells the story.

[jochhejaam]

Sad day for baseball. Prayers to his family and friends.
I echo those sentiments. Horrible.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

It gets even worse. He was only VFR rated and wasn't instrument qualified. No way he should have been flying in that overcast.

I know nothing about flying. So, wouldn't having his instructor on-board allow him to fly in that weather?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I wonder if the other people that got hurt and the people that own the appartments will sue for damages since he was not qualified to even fly

How was he not qualified? He earned his license.

[ducks]

not to fly in overcast weather

wasn't instrument qualified
thefore he was not qualified

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

It gets even worse. He was only VFR rated and wasn't instrument qualified. No way he should have been flying in that overcast.

Cosmic, any piloting info you can give would be great. I don't know a thing about stuff like that.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

not to fly in overcast weather

I just saw CC's statement.

[ducks]

ok
we are cool for now :lol

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Oh, damn.

ESPN says Lidle's wife is/was on a commercial flight and that's why they've been unable to notify her.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2006/10/11/nyregion/20061011_PLANE_SLIDESHOW_index.html
NYT Slideshow

[tlongII]

Very sad. :depressed

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Jeremy Schaap says Lidle reported to NJ airport that he was having fuel problems.

Wife and/or son not on plane with Lidle. On commercial flight to Los Angeles.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Why not pull the chute? We need someone with flight experience...

[ducks]

post 65 of this thread

[QUOTE=ducks]First responders to the New York plane crash say an emergency call was made from the plane indicating a possible fuel problem.

The plane is registered to NY Yankee Cory Lidle who was scheduled to be flying home for the off-season[/QUOTE :smokin

[ToughActinTinactin]

So sad. My prayers are with his family.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

post 65 of this thread


First responders to the New York plane crash say an emergency call was made from the plane indicating a possible fuel problem.

The plane is registered to NY Yankee Cory Lidle who was scheduled to be flying home for the off-season :smokin

Are you really trying to say that you scooped the story on Spurstalk?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Lidle's last interview(two days ago) and he is getting ripped...

http://wfan.com/chrismikeaudio/

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Athletes killed in plane crashes: AP

Athletes Who Died In Plane Crashes
• Oct. 18, 1925 -- Marvin Goodwin, Cincinnati Reds pitcher, in Houston.
• March 31, 1931 -- Knute Rockne, Notre Dame football coach, in Kansas
• May 4, 1949 -- 22 members of Torino, the Italian soccer champions, in Turin, Italy.
• Oct. 27, 1949 -- Marcel Cerdan, former world middleweight champion, en route to fight Jake LaMotta in Spain.
• July 1, 1954 -- John McBride, Alabama halfback, killed in ROTC training flight in Texas.
• Oct. 30, 1954 -- Wilbur Shaw, President of Indianapolis Motor Speedway, in Decatur, Ind.
• Sept. 20, 1956 -- Tom Gastall, Baltimore Orioles catcher, in Maryland.
• Nov. 27, 1956 -- Charlie Peete, St. Louis Cardinal outfielder, in Venezuela.
• Feb. 6, 1958 -- Eight members of the English soccer champion Manchester United, in Munich.
• Aug. 14, 1958 -- Six members of the Egyptian fencing team, in the Atlantic Ocean.
• Oct. 30, 1958 -- Philip Scrutton, British Walker Cup golfer.
• April 29, 1959 -- Joaquin Blume, Spain's European gymnastics champion, in Madrid.
• Oct. 10, 1960 -- 16 members of the Cal Poly San Luis Obispo football team, in Toledo, Ohio.
• Feb. 16, 1961 -- 18 members of the U.S. figure skating team, in Belgium.
• April 3, 1961 -- Green Cross, a first-division Chilean soccer team, in the Las Lastimas Mountains.
• March 1, 1962 -- Johnny Dieckman, world fly-casting champion, in Chicago.
• April 12, 1962 -- Ron Flockhart, Scottish racing driver, in Melbourne.
• Feb. 15, 1964 -- Ken Hubbs, 22, Chicago Cub second baseman, in Utah.
• July 24, 1966 -- Tony Lema, 1964 British Open champion, in Munster, Ind.
• April 28, 1968 -- Six members of the Lamar Tech track team, in Beaumont, Texas.
• Sept. 26, 1969 -- 25 members of Bolivian soccer team "The Strongest", in the Andes.
• Oct. 2, 1970 -- 14 Wichita State football players, in Colorado.
• Nov. 14, 1970 -- 36 Marshall University football players, in Huntington, W.Va.
• Oct. 11, 1972 -- 30 members of a Uruguayan rugby club, in Chile.
• Dec. 31, 1972 -- Roberto Clemente, Pittsburgh Pirate outfielder, from San Juan, Puerto Rico en route to Nicaragua to aid earthquake victims.
• June 24, 1975 -- Wendell Ladner, New York Nets forward, in New York.
• Dec. 13, 1977 -- 14 University of Evansville basketball players and coach Bobby Watson in Evansville, Ind.
• Aug. 2, 1979 -- Thurman Munson, New York Yankees catcher, in Canton, Ohio.
• Jan. 11, 1980 -- Bo Rein, LSU football coach, in the Atlantic Ocean.
• March 14, 1980 -- 14 members of the U.S. amateur boxing team in Warsaw, Poland.
• Dec. 12, 1983 -- Rex Dockery, Memphis State football coach, with offensive coordinator Chris Faros and defensive back Charles Greenhill, Lawrenceburg, Tenn.
• Nov. 25, 1985 -- Six members of the Iowa State women's cross country team in Des Moines, Iowa.
• Aug. 16, 1987 -- Nick Vanos, Phoenix Suns center, in Romulus, Mich.
• Dec. 8, 1987 -- 17 players of the Alianza Peruvian first-division soccer team in Lima, Peru.
• Sept. 30, 1988 -- Al Holbert, six-time IMSA champion, near Columbus Ohio.
• July 19, 1989 -- Jay Ramsdell, CBA Commissioner, in Sioux City, Iowa.
• April 1, 1993 -- Alan Kulwicki, NASCAR's 1992 champion, in Blountville, Tenn.
• April 28, 1993 -- 18 players and five team officials of Zambia's national soccer team in Libreville, Gabon.
• July 13, 1993 -- Davey Allison, NASCAR driver, the day after a helicopter he was piloting crashed on the infield at Talladega Superspeedway in Talladega, Ala.
• April 18, 1996 -- Brook Berringer, Nebraska quarterback, two days before the NFL draft, when the small plane he was piloting crashed in Raymond, Neb.
• May 11, 1996 -- Rodney Culver, San Diego Chargers running back, in Florida Everglades.
• Oct. 25, 1999 -- Payne Stewart, winner of the 1989 PGA Championship and a two-time U.S. Open winner, two miles west of Mina, S.D.
• Jan. 27, 2001 -- Oklahoma State basketball players Dan Lawson and Nate Fleming, and six team staffers and broadcasters, in Byers, Colo.
-- Associated Press

[ducks]

Are you really trying to say that you scooped the story on Spurstalk?

I am saying I posted the fuel problem before you did

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I am saying I posted the fuel problem before you did

I'd like to reiterate how much of a son-of-a-bitch you are.

You think I really give a fuck about scooping anybody or anything in a plane crash.

Yao Ming's fucked-up foot, maybe....

A plane crash, well, you really are a dumb motherfucker.

[Kori Ellis]

I'd like to reiterate how much of a son-of-a-bitch you are.

You think I really give a fuck about scooping anybody or anything in a plane crash.

Yao Ming's fucked-up foot, maybe....

A plane crash, well, you really are a dumb motherfucker.

Umm... I think you are taking this a little bit to seriously. Ducks just pointed out that it was already posted by him a few pages ago. Several people have pointed out other things that were re-posted in this thread and you aren't going off on them. So maybe you need to rein it in a little bit.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Umm... I think you are taking this a little bit to seriously. Ducks just pointed out that it was already posted by him a few pages ago. Several people have pointed out other things that were re-posted in this thread and you aren't going off on them. So maybe you need to rein it in a little bit.

Yeah, because this... :smokin is totally just saying the info was already out there.

[Kori Ellis]

Yeah, because this... :smokin is totally just saying the info was already out there.

So you go into a "motherfucker" tirade over an emoticon? Get a fuckin' grip.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Umm... I think you are taking this a little bit to seriously. Ducks just pointed out that it was already posted by him a few pages ago. Several people have pointed out other things that were re-posted in this thread and you aren't going off on them. So maybe you need to rein it in a little bit.

I didn't say anything to them because I don't care what other people say to other people. Ducks is :smokin that he "scooped" me.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

So you go into a "motherfucker" tirade over an emoticon? Get a fuckin' grip.

This isn't the first time he pulled this shit on me before, but you know what...it's dropped until the next time and a more appropriate thread.

[FromWayDowntown]

Yeah, because this... :smokin is totally just saying the info was already out there.

For what it's worth, I found that to be inappropriate, given the nature of the story and the discussion.

People died. Who cares who got what information posted first?

[Kori Ellis]

I didn't say anything to them because I don't care what other people say to other people. Ducks is :smokin that he "scooped" me.

Ahh .. so it's your ego about getting scooped because you are a reporter.

Okay .. carry on with your childish reaction.

Hopefully later you can re-read this and realize how much you overreacted. If not, then I think maybe you have a lot of growing up to do that I didn't realize.

[Kori Ellis]

For what it's worth, I found that to be inappropriate, given the nature of the story and the discussion.

People died. Who cares who got what information posted first?

No one cares. That's probably why Blaze should have just ignored the emoticon rather go into a motherfucker tirade.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Ahh .. so it's your ego about getting scooped because you are a reporter.

Okay .. carry on with your childish reaction.

Hopefully later you can re-read this and realize how much you overreacted. If not, then I think maybe you have a lot of growing up to do that I didn't realize.

No, Kori, it's not my ego about being a reporter, it's what apparently he thought would irk me when he posted what he did. Apparently, Ducks cared enough to go :smokin, though.

But since these thoughts are all happening in the span of a minute, again, I'm dropping it.

[bigzak25]

I'd like to reiterate how much of a son-of-a-bitch you are.



:lmao

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

ESPN: Still no decision on NYM-STL Game One, but rain is pouring and they also have a travel day, so analysts think postponing the game would be best.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Why hasn't the building structure buckled and collapsed under the sheer heat? Why didn't the fuel spill down the stairs causing a bunch of smaller explosions several stories below impact?

[FromWayDowntown]

Why hasn't the building structure buckled and collapsed under the sheer heat? Why didn't the fuel spill down the stairs causing a bunch of smaller explosions several stories below impact?

What a great non-sequitur.

:rolleyes

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Johnny Blaze doesn't like to get unscooped...where are his witty remarks now?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Johnny Blaze doesn't like to get unscooped...where are his witty remarks now?

They're done, like UT's National Championship hopes

[LaMarcus Bryant]

They're done, like UT's National Championship hopes


scooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooop s

[T Park]

Why hasn't the building structure buckled and collapsed under the sheer heat? Why didn't the fuel spill down the stairs causing a bunch of smaller explosions several stories below impact?




If its supposed to be a joke not funny.

If your being serious? Nothing to say...


A sad day for baseball and baseball fans, Keith Olberman was just saying today how good Lidle is and how he should've gotten the call for game 4 instead of Lidle.

Prayers out to the family.

As a Cardinal fan, IMO it would be best to go ahead and postpone the game.

Baseball is pretty meaningless in a time like this.

[ducks]

nice way to ruin this thread

[JoeChalupa]

Sad. I think Lidle would want the games to continue but I understand if it is postponed.

[midgetonadonkey]

Cory Lidle was a terrorist?

[midgetonadonkey]

Why hasn't the building structure buckled and collapsed under the sheer heat? Why didn't the fuel spill down the stairs causing a bunch of smaller explosions several stories below impact?

Fucking brilliant.

[tlongII]

The only reason to cancel the game would be because of too much rain in my opinion.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

The only reason to cancel the game would be because of too much rain in my opinion.

I agree, but I don't think you could fault them for doing so.

[tlongII]

I agree, but I don't think you could fault them for doing so.

Sure I could. I wanna watch baseball!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Sure I could. I wanna watch baseball!

That's what the OAK-DET game is for.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The only reason to cancel the game would be because of too much rain in my opinion.


Completely agree. It is tragic, but life goes on.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

That's what the OAK-DET game is for.


Why cancel one(besides rain), and not the other?

[tlongII]

That's what the OAK-DET game is for.


True, but the sports bar gets boring with all the TV's tuned into one game.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Why cancel one(besides rain), and not the other?

I don't think they'd ever say it was because of Lidle (blame it on the rain), but it would probably be.

[angel_luv]

This is really sad. Prayers and condolences to all involved.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I hope they don't, but looking at that rain, I don't think they'd try it.

[T Park]

Cousin of mine in STL said he was watching MSNBC and supposedly the game is going to be cancelled due to rain.

Tarp is on the field right now, rain is steady and not expected to let up SUPPOSEDLY until SATURDAY.

Don't shoot the messanger.

[ducks]

it would give the tigers a unfair advantage if they cancel the game
because they would play them next and have lots of days off

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

No, they'd play the game on their travel day. None of the other games will be rescheduled.

[T Park]

Sorry that post was prob not appropriate for here, but the discussion about the game were brought up....

[midgetonadonkey]

It's okay TPark. Just don't let it happen again.

[T Park]

Yes Sir :lol

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

MLB postpones game.
-ESPN.com

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

MLB.com

Steady rain has pushed the start of the NLCS between the Cardinals and Mets to Thursday at 8 ET. Game 2 will take place Friday at a time to be determined.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Why hasn't the building structure buckled and collapsed under the sheer heat? Why didn't the fuel spill down the stairs causing a bunch of smaller explosions several stories below impact?


I hope you were trying to be a smart ass. If not, you're a real asswipe.

[ducks]

Game 1 of NLCS postponed by rain

By MIKE FITZPATRICK, AP Baseball Writer
October 11, 2006

NEW YORK (AP) -- Game 1 of the NL championship series between the St. Louis Cardinals and New York Mets was postponed Wednesday night because of a steady rain.

The best-of-seven series will now begin Thursday night, and Game 2 at Shea Stadium is to be played Friday -- which was supposed to be an off day in the series.

The NLCS shifts to St. Louis for Game 3 on Saturday.

[ducks]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhNyGPCY9w0O4shfD8uXHXURvLYF?slug=ap-nlcspostponed&prov=ap&type=lgns

[T Park]

Yeah, friend of mine said on the radio in STL they reported the team bus showed up late, and were told, and they turned around.

I guess LaRussa is there, don't totally know.

Reporter from the STL Post Dispatch says hes been there for 100 minutes, and its been steady non stop rain, and they just called it cause they had lost the field.

[ducks]

hope his wife knows and the fbi actually told her first then seeing it on the news

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

MLB reacts:

Baseball reacts to Lidle tragedy
Posted: Wednesday October 11, 2006 7:31PM; Updated: Wednesday October 11, 2006 7:31PM

NEW YORK (AP) -- Reactions to the apparent death of Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle, whose plane slamed into a Manhattan high rise Wednesday:

•"This is a terrible and shocking tragedy that has stunned the entire Yankees organization. I offer my deep condolences and prayers to his wife, Melanie, and son, Christopher, on their enormous loss." -- New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner

•"Spending the last few months as Cory's teammate, I came to know him as a great man. While he was known as a baseball player, he was, more importantly, a husband and father and, at a time like this, I want to share my deepest sympathies with his wife Melanie, his son Christopher and all those who know and loved him."--Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter.

•"Right now, I am really in a state of shock, as I am sure the entire MLB family is. ... I have known Cory and his wife Melanie for over 18 years and watched his son grow up. We played high school ball together and have remained close throughout our careers. We were excited to be reunited in New York this year and I am just devastated to hear this news."--Yankees first baseman Jason Giambi

•"All of baseball is shocked and terribly saddened by the sudden and tragic passing of Cory Lidle. Cory was only 34 years old and had played in the Major Leagues for nine seasons with seven different clubs. He leaves a young wife, Melanie, and a young son, Christopher. Our hearts go out to them on this terrible day."--Baseball commissioner Bud Selig

•"I played with Cory in 1998. It's really tragic. You just, you don't hear things like that very often. My thoughts and prayers are with his family. You just really don't know what to say. ... You just hope that his family will be able to deal with the tragedy."--St. Louis Cardinals starter Jeff Suppan

•"I have no words. I just have very strong emotions. It's just sadder than sad. He was a very hard worker, very competitive. ... You want to find out that maybe it's not true." --Mets pitching coach Rick Peterson, who coached Lidle when the two were in Oakland

•"This is a terrible shock. I was with Ron Guidry and Lee Mazzilli when I heard the news and we were just stunned. Cory's time with the Yankees was short, but he was a good teammate and a great competitor. My heart goes out to his family." -- Yankees manager Joe Torre

•"We are all deeply saddened by this horrible tragedy. Our hearts and prayers are with the family. This is a sad day for the entire Yankee family." -- Yankees president Randy Levine

[NorCal510]

johnsmith grow up theres nothing funny about it asshole

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I wonder if they'd give continuous coverage if he was a KC Royal.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I wonder if they'd give continuous coverage if he was a KC Royal.

I didn't realize they were still going, but I would think so as the death of a professional athlete (still competing) is rare.

I'm trying to remember athlete deaths and it was the same way with Darryl Kile AFAIR. I don't remember crazy coverage for Bison Dele, but I think he had already left baseball at that point.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

OSU basketball team plane crash and the Cleveland Indians' boating accident didn't get nearly the same type of coverage.

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

OSU basketball team plane crash and the Cleveland Indians' boating accident didn't get nearly the same type of coverage.

Anything that has to do with a plane crashing into a NY building is gonna get tons of coverage....no mater who is flying the plane.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I meant on ESPN.

[1Parker1]

Wow, I'm watching ESPN. This is crazy. My condolences to Lidle's family and everyone else involved in this tragedy today...:(

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

OSU basketball team plane crash and the Cleveland Indians' boating accident didn't get nearly the same type of coverage.

I'm not saying you're wrong and everybody knows I tend to give the media the benefit of the doubt, so I'll simply present this.

Steve Olin was in 1993, so the 24-hour sports/news coverage wasn't in full cycle yet.

And I (though can't fully remember), seem to remember the OSU plane crash getting this much coverage (but that also happened at night, IIRC, because I think I was up late at work or home, flipped to a station and noticed there was a press conference about to begin with, so that might have been time of night as far as coverage goes.

The other thing to look at (if you're optimistic and I can see anybody not being so with the media...even myself) is this started off as a general news story (which brought a sometimes biased-away-from-sports media into coverage because they found out the sports angle after initial coverage started).

Or it could be because it was in New York and it's the Yankees.

But I'd like to think it was because of the way the news started and the shock at a sports connection after the initial coverage began.

I remember when I made the first post this afternoon, I was actually going to respond to johnsmith's terror angle (since I had already changed the TV to ESPN), when I heard and recognized the ESPN breaking news bumper and looked up to see Brian Kenny talk about Cory Lidle.

So an already tense news situation unfolded even more with one discovery of a passport/DL.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Plus, what happened at the news of it being Cory Lidle is you bring in another "quality of news."

The major qualities of news are: Impact, Conflict, Novelty, Prominence, Proximity, Timeliness.

With the initial story (w/o knowing it was Lidle), you have Impact, Novelty (and don't read into the lightness of the word, it means something unusual or bizarre...like a plane crash), Proximity and Timeliness.

Finding out it's Lidle brings in Prominence (and for an all-sports network, their hook).

[RogerIsEatingASandwich]

There are alot of questions yet to answered, another reson why it's getting so much coverage.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

ehhhh how enlightening

[ShoogarBear]

I wonder if they'd give continuous coverage if he was a KC Royal.I was thinking the same thing.

Yankee + Manhattan building = huge tragedy.

KC Royal + farmhouse = footnote.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Didn't five Duquesne players just get shot less than two months ago?

They are running continuous coverage because it's the NYY.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Didn't five Duquesne players just get shot less than two months ago?

They are running continuous coverage because it's the NYY.

Good point. Hell, I forgot about that.

Carry on.

[1Parker1]

Didn't five Duquesne players just get shot less than two months ago?

They are running continuous coverage because it's the NYY.

:tu True that. I recall when that happened. It barely made a bleep in the news radar.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I am just waiting for them to cut in with a TO update...

[ShoogarBear]

If five Yankees had gotten shot . . . well, Steinbrenner would no doubt have said he was justified.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I am just waiting for them to cut in with a TO update...

That was funny. :lol

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Man, I'm pretty ashamed now.

Five young kids get shot through no fault of their own and it wasn't nearly this much.

I think the only remaining argument could be Prominence/Celebrity (professional versus collegiate athletes), but still....

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Man, I'm pretty ashamed now.

Five young kids get shot through no fault of their own and it wasn't nearly this much.

I think the only remaining argument could be Prominence/Celebrity (professional versus collegiate athletes), but still....

Nah, it's the logo he wore on his cap. If he was still a Phillie, they would have run a 30 second clip and then ran his photo as they went to break...

[ShoogarBear]

I haven't even bothered to turn on ESPN because I figured the excess would piss me off.

[1Parker1]

Nah, it's the logo he wore on his cap. If he was still a Phillie, they would have run a 30 second clip and then ran his photo as they went to break...

He would have still gotten the same coverage if he were a still a Phillie, I think.

[ShoogarBear]

Man, I'm pretty ashamed now.

Five young kids get shot through no fault of their own and it wasn't nearly this much.

I think the only remaining argument could be Prominence/Celebrity (professional versus collegiate athletes), but still....That would make a great column.

Who would have the guts to write it?

[ShoogarBear]

He would have still gotten the same coverage if he were a still a Phillie, I think.Of course you would think that.

(j/k)

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

He would have still gotten the same coverage if he were a still a Phillie, I think.


Don't get me wrong, it's a huge sports story. Lead with it for a few nights, run a tribute, etc. But running continuous coverage is excessive, to say the least.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Give me the rest of the evening.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Wow. In doing some background research, I just noticed that the MLB/Yankees have already pulled Lidle from the active and 40-man rosters.

[King]

Wow. In doing some background research, I just noticed that the MLB/Yankees have already pulled Lidle from the active and 40-man rosters.

Ok?

Or is it just one of those things that doesn't need to be officially done.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Ok?

Or is it just one of those things that doesn't need to be officially done.

I don't know...I just wasn't expecting to see that when I was looking for Lidle's page and it surprised me enough to post it.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

That would make a great column.



It's done. The initial one at least.

I always have more thinking and more writing to come.

[MannyIsGod]

They're running continous coverage because it involves a plane crashing into a building in New York City. You guys can't ingore the ramifications an event like that carries.

I know what went through your heads the moment you all heard about it because its the first thing that went through my head too:

Is this terrorism?

Thats why this gets coverage the way it does.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

They're running continous coverage because it involves a plane crashing into a building in New York City. You guys can't ingore the ramifications an event like that carries.

I know what went through your heads the moment you all heard about it because its the first thing that went through my head too:

Is this terrorism?

Thats why this gets coverage the way it does.

Sure...

On CNN, Fox News or MSNBC.

On ESPN?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

At least I'm talking about ESPN's coverage, not about the news sites.

[ShoogarBear]

WTF was that statement by Bud Selig? It was like he googled Lidle and cut and paste from Wikipedia.

[Kori Ellis]

WTF was that statement by Bud Selig? It was like he googled Lidle and cut and paste from Wikipedia.

I'm sure his assistant did the googling :spin

[MannyIsGod]

Sure...

On CNN, Fox News or MSNBC.

On ESPN?Yeah, even ESPN. Anytime something that reminicent of terrorism happens I feel it is goig to permeate all levels of our media. The moment ESPN has somthing to grab on - in this case the Lidle - then they're going to cover it extensively.

[ShoogarBear]

Yeah, but it's been long established now this was highly unlikely to be terrorism.

Everything for the last few hours has just been New York naval-gazing.

[SequSpur]

so the bodies were still belted to the seats in the middle of the street? that is what I heard earlier.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Yeah, even ESPN. Anytime something that reminicent of terrorism happens I feel it is goig to permeate all levels of our media. The moment ESPN has somthing to grab on - in this case the Lidle - then they're going to cover it extensively.


Huh? Terrorism? They had that ruled out by 5 PM EST.



And for other pro players to die suddenly, look no further than Darryl Kile, who was found dead in his hotel room two hours before a game with the Cubs. Amazingly, they didn't run 9 hours of continuous coverage...

[CuckingFunt]

I think the main reason they're airing continuous coverage is because people are watching. That may or may not have to do with the notoriety of being a Yankee.

[King]

Huh? Terrorism? They had that ruled out by 5 PM EST.



And for other pro players to die suddenly, look no further than Darryl Kile, who was found dead in his hotel room two hours before a game with the Cubs. Amazingly, they didn't run 9 hours of continuous coverage...

Completely different circumstances.

Kile was found dead in a hotel room with absolutely no signs of foul play. It was established pretty quickly that it wasn't a drug overdose, and that it was natural causes (a heart attack).

There are so many questions surrounding Lidle's death. It was a tragic accident, regardless of who was flying. It was a story all over the news even before we knew who the pilot was. It was STILL a big story after terrorism was essentially ruled out and STILL before we knew who the pilot was. Put a widely recognizable person in it, and you have a media frenzy.

Being a Yankee has nothing to do with the coverage.

I think your stance that there's only this much coverage because it's a Yankee is ridiculous. But, there's nothing to counter it with. We don't know that there wouldn't be coverage like this until it happens to a KC Royal. Or a Pirate. And something in very similar circumstances.

A heart attack isn't similar. A car wreck isn't similar. A shooting isn't even similar.

[T Park]

I think part of it also is that, no one truly knows what happened in that plane, so thats part of the mystery.

Had Lidle or the second person come over the radio and said "Our fuel pump broke, we have no more fuel" Then that would take some out I guess. The whole debate I've been hearing lately though, is "would you ride in a plane of that size"

[ShoogarBear]

It all just made me think about the Buckwheat assasination.

[CosmicCowboy]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/09/08/sports/08Yankees.1.600.jpg

BTW, this plane in the picture is not his.

[Spam]

Why do all the news websites have a link to watch the video of the crash? Is that really necessary?

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/sports/baseball/08yankees.html?ex=1160712000&en=e3c16d3546db809f&ei=5070

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/09/08/sports/08Yankees.1.600.jpg

September 8, 2006
In Lidle, Yanks Have Extra Pitcher and Backup Pilot
By TYLER KEPNER

When the Yankees fly, the pilots are not only in the cockpit. There is another pilot in the main cabin, where the players sit. He is probably studying his hand-held Global Positioning System receiver, tracking the weather and noting the plane’s precise speed and altitude.

He is Cory Lidle, who has been a major league pitcher for nine years and a pilot for seven months. He earned his pilot’s license last off-season and bought a four-seat airplane for $187,000. It is a Cirrus SR20, built in 2002, with fewer than 400 hours in the air.

A player-pilot is still a sensitive topic for the Yankees, whose captain, Thurman Munson, was killed in the crash of a plane he was flying in 1979. Lidle, acquired from the Philadelphia Phillies on July 30, said his plane was safe.

“The whole plane has a parachute on it,” Lidle said. “Ninety-nine percent of pilots that go up never have engine failure, and the 1 percent that do usually land it. But if you’re up in the air and something goes wrong, you pull that parachute, and the whole plane goes down slowly.”

Lidle, 34, lives in West Covina, Calif., 20 miles or so east of Los Angeles. On a trip to Arizona last season, Lidle saw a former teammate, Tom Wilson, whose friend is a pilot.

Lidle became intrigued by how quickly he could navigate the Southwest if he could fly a plane. He had never flown, but decided that if he could learn in an off-season, he would make it his top priority.

The day after the Phillies’ season ended, Lidle met with an instructor, Tyler Stanger, in nearby Pomona, Calif. They flew to Long Beach that day, and Lidle was hooked.

“He was probably my best student,” Stanger said in a telephone interview. “He learned very, very quickly, and a lot of it is desire. He had huge desire.

“Really, anyone can learn how to fly. If you can drive a bus, you can fly an airplane. But to learn quickly takes money and time. Of course, Cory had plenty of money, and it was the off-season, so he had the time.”

Lidle, who is making $3.3 million this season, met with Stanger twice a week, for three or four hours at a time, all winter. He became queasy once, Stanger said, somewhere over New Mexico while returning from Texas. Otherwise, Lidle was a natural.

Part of Stanger’s job is to surprise students by simulating emergencies. He will pull the throttle to the idle position, essentially letting the plane coast as if the engine were failing.

Other times, he said, he would instruct a student to wear blinders so only the instrument panel was visible, simulating bad weather. Then Stanger would tilt the plane nose-high or nose-low, making the student recover by trusting the instruments.

“Most people get kind of ruffled,” Stanger said. “He was like, ‘O.K., no big deal.’ A lot of it is his mental state.

“On the mound, he has to hold in all the emotions and keep completely focused. It’s the same thing flying: If you’re in an emergency, you can’t waste any time worrying. You have to take command of the situation. A lot of people I fly with don’t have that mentality. Cory does.”

Flying has become a passion for Lidle, who said he had spent about 95 solo hours in the air. After a recent day game at Yankee Stadium, he took a train to Philadelphia, fetched his plane from a nearby airport and flew it to Teterboro Airport in New Jersey, where he keeps it during the season.

If Lidle re-signs with the Yankees, he would fly at his own risk; in the Yankees’ standard contract, a player who injures himself in an off-field activity like flying would jeopardize the guaranteed money in his deal.

For now, Lidle plans to enjoy flying this off-season, unburdened by the notorious California traffic.

“It’s basically to bring things a little closer to reach,” he said. “Now I can go to Pebble Beach if I want, and instead of driving there for five hours, I can fly there in an hour and 45 minutes. I can go to Arizona to golf, or Vegas, wherever.”

On a conference call with reporters the day after he was traded, Lidle criticized his former Phillies teammates for their effort near the trade deadline. Lidle said he was not thinking before he spoke and nearly forgot about the call because he was outside in the heat, cleaning his plane.

The Phillies have done well without him, and the Yankees have thrived with him and outfielder Bobby Abreu, who has hit .355 since also being acquired in the trade. Lidle, who starts tonight in Baltimore, is 3-2 with a 3.38 earned run average in six starts with the Yankees.

Because they were off yesterday, the Yankees are skipping Jaret Wright’s turn in the rotation. The fact that they kept Lidle on schedule could give Lidle the edge on Wright if the Yankees need a fourth starter in the playoffs.

Manager Joe Torre, though, does not seem quite sold on Lidle, a finesse pitcher who deliberately throws slower than 90 miles an hour so his sinker fades better.

“He’s one of those guys who gives you six strong innings, and then maybe won’t get out of the second,” Torre said. “It’s all about command, all about throwing strikes, and if they’re going to swing at the balls that he throws.

“So you have to be prepared for that. That’s why, on Friday, it will be him, and Jaret will be lurking.”

In other words, if Lidle struggles tonight, Wright will be his parachute.


The instructor quoted in this article, Tyler Stanger, was the other guy killed in the crash.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/