Check This Out...

[Nbadan]

9/11 - Explosions at the WTC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it0VpgWEl90&mode=related&search=)

Tell me what you see at the 3:35 and 3:55 timemarks of the video.

Very eerrieee....

[DaSpurs#1]

your a dumb ass if you believe that bullshit, plain and simple.

[johnsmith]

9/11 - Explosions at the WTC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it0VpgWEl90&mode=related&search=)

Tell me what you see at the 3:35 and 3:55 timemarks of the video.

Very eerrieee....


Are you trying to tie Boutons for most worthless links/articles posted on a single chat board?

[Yonivore]

9/11 - Explosions at the WTC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it0VpgWEl90&mode=related&search=)

Tell me what you see at the 3:35 and 3:55 timemarks of the video.

Very eerrieee....
I wonder at what temperature steel loses enough integrity to be no longer able to support a 20 to 30 story building (floors above the point of impact and resulting fire).

I'm betting it's a lot lower than the melting point. What do you think Dan?

[Ozzman]

You know what the gunshot and explosion sounds were? That was the steel bending and BREAKING, AND it was ALSO the floors collapsing all over each other, because if you ask ANY sensible Archetact/engineer, they will tell you how it happened. They problem with the media is that they don't know the RIGHT people who are TRUE experts. The people they talk to are anything BUT experts, because the experts don't want to be bothered by that media crap.

[Obstructed_View]

Never before has a steel framed building collapsed simply because of fire. Two, however, collapsed after being hit by jets going 500+ mph AND fire. :rolleyes

[Ozzman]

There's a very hot burning thing called jet fuel, and when has anything ever been hit by a jet going 500 miles an hour that was loaded FULL of fuel? Please expand on your logic...

[Nbadan]

Your not looking hard enough. Look harder.

[DaSpurs#1]

Your not looking hard enough. Look harder.your a dumb ass, there's nothing there just a bunch of retarded bullshit

[Nbadan]

your a dumb ass, there's nothing there just a bunch of retarded bullshit

Then turn off the volume and see with your eyes.

[velik_m]

It's a face! OMG this proves it: your goverment has sold you out to aliens!

[DaSpurs#1]

It's a face! OMG this proves it: your goverment has sold you out to aliens!nope it was Kyle :lmao

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-4xAucZod6w
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zX7_xAr8-_w
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ks-yw4sx0vo

^^^this actually is the best description of what all the conspiracy bullshit is about yet hilarious at the same time

[smeagol]

I don't see anything

[xrayzebra]

Dan you really do have to be careful, because tin foil has a much lower melting
point than steel. So when you have you little hat on, please be careful you don't
overheat and melt the thing.

[Yonivore]

Dan you really do have to be careful, because tin foil has a much lower melting
point than steel. So when you have you little hat on, please be careful you don't
overheat and melt the thing.
I'm convinced the thing melted on him a long time ago.

[George Gervin's Afro]

9/11 - Explosions at the WTC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it0VpgWEl90&mode=related&search=)

Tell me what you see at the 3:35 and 3:55 timemarks of the video.

Very eerrieee....

Dan I'm on your side..but I think there are legit reasons why these things happened. I don't think Darth Vader Cheney is that evil :cooldevil ...

[Zunni]

Judging by Iraq, I don't think this administration is capable of planing and executing anything as elaborate as what you are implying.

[smeagol]

Dan I'm on your side..but I think there are legit reasons why these things happened. I don't think Darth Vader Cheney is that evil :cooldevil ...
Wow!

Dan appears to be to the left of GGA. Where does boutons stand on this issue?

[IceColdBrewski]

This again? :Rolleyes

We've been over this with several different threads in 2 different forums. The outcome is always the same. The whacko's come out looking like idiots. Do you really think this one is going to turn out any different?

[PixelPusher]

9/11 - Explosions at the WTC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it0VpgWEl90&mode=related&search=)

Tell me what you see at the 3:35 and 3:55 timemarks of the video.

Very eerrieee....

I see the result of floors pancaking on top of each other, creating compression which sends the concrete dust billowing out of the buildings.

[Ozzman]

I see the result of floors pancaking on top of each other, creating compression which sends the concrete dust billowing out of the buildings.


That's what I tried saying, but apparently logic doesn't apply to some people...

[boutons_]

Conspiracies are fascinating, entertaining, sometimes laughable, but I don't believe them.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Judging by Iraq, I don't think this administration is capable of planing and executing anything as elaborate as what you are implying.



We couldn't even get people water on an expressway in the USA..no way this government could pull this off :(

[Nbadan]

I love how everyone automatically assumes I subcribe to the theory that the twin towers were taken down in a controlled demolition. I never said that, nor did I ever imply it. All I did was ask you to watch a video at two timemarks.

A perfect demostration of forum mob-mentality if there ever was one. I remember in 2001 when I was posting that Iraq under Saddam had no formal working relationship with Al Queda, or that his arsenal of WMDs was probably more fantasy than reality, I was barraged with the same mob-mentality then.

The point is, it's to easy to dismiss important points entirely by completely dismissing them as 'liberal conspiracy theory' or because they don't conform to what is considered general consensus by the M$M. Today, based on the level of information we have available, because so much has been deemed 'classified' for national security reasons by the thugs, it would be difficult to build any kind of case of what our government knew or didn't know about the plan to attack the twin towers, but like in 2001 and the Iraq/Al Queda link that turned out to be fantasy, I suspect that there are many stories yet to be told, some involving Israeli Intelligence agencies, some involving repeated power-downs and evacuations in the twin towers in the weeks before the attacks, and some questions about Muhamed Atta's shady dealings in Florida possibly involving the shipment of large quantities of cocaine into the U.S..

None of these questions were ever investigated by the 911 Commission formed by the W.H., or by the House and Senate under Republican leadership, and that my fellow Americans - should be a crime.

[Spurminator]

I'm having trouble with the link.

[Nbadan]

I'm having trouble with the link.

There is no link. Neanderthal-man and homo-sapiens evolved from different branches of the same tree.

[Obstructed_View]

Nbadan: The Will Rogers of kooky theories.

You don't actually wonder why people laugh at you, do you?

[Nbadan]

Nbadan: The Will Rogers of kooky theories.

You don't actually wonder why people laugh at you, do you?

Blah, I'll let my record on any topic in this forum speak for itself. I'm going on three years and countless numbers of chumps of trying to prove me wrong.

Wanna be the next?

[Ozzman]

yeah your record is your too wacko to talk to.

[Phenomanul]

I love how everyone automatically assumes I subcribe to the theory that the twin towers were taken down in a controlled demolition. I never said that, nor did I ever imply it. All I did was ask you to watch a video at two timemarks.

A perfect demostration of forum mob-mentality if there ever was one. I remember in 2001 when I was posting that Iraq under Saddam had no formal working relationship with Al Queda, or that his arsenal of WMDs was probably more fantasy than reality, I was barraged with the same mob-mentality then.

The point is, it's to easy to dismiss important points entirely by completely dismissing them as 'liberal conspiracy theory' or because they don't conform to what is considered general consensus by the M$M. Today, based on the level of information we have available, because so much has been deemed 'classified' for national security reasons by the thugs, it would be difficult to build any kind of case of what our government knew or didn't know about the plan to attack the twin towers, but like in 2001 and the Iraq/Al Queda link that turned out to be fantasy, I suspect that there are many stories yet to be told, some involving Israeli Intelligence agencies, some involving repeated power-downs and evacuations in the twin towers in the weeks before the attacks, and some questions about Muhamed Atta's shady dealings in Florida possibly involving the shipment of large quantities of cocaine into the U.S..

None of these questions were ever investigated by the 911 Commission formed by the W.H., or by the House and Senate under Republican leadership, and that my fellow Americans - should be a crime.

Ask the Czech?? Department of Intelligence whether or not they believe Al Qaeda and Iraq had ties.... and why their findings were dimissed by the congressional hearing.

[ChumpDumper]

I love how everyone automatically assumes I subcribe to the theory that the twin towers were taken down in a controlled demolition. I never said that, nor did I ever imply it. All I did was ask you to watch a video at two timemarks.

A perfect demostration of forum mob-mentality if there ever was one. I remember in 2001 when I was posting that Iraq under Saddam had no formal working relationship with Al Queda, or that his arsenal of WMDs was probably more fantasy than reality, I was barraged with the same mob-mentality then.

The point is, it's to easy to dismiss important points entirely by completely dismissing them as 'liberal conspiracy theory' or because they don't conform to what is considered general consensus by the M$M. Today, based on the level of information we have available, because so much has been deemed 'classified' for national security reasons by the thugs, it would be difficult to build any kind of case of what our government knew or didn't know about the plan to attack the twin towers, but like in 2001 and the Iraq/Al Queda link that turned out to be fantasy, I suspect that there are many stories yet to be told, some involving Israeli Intelligence agencies, some involving repeated power-downs and evacuations in the twin towers in the weeks before the attacks, and some questions about Muhamed Atta's shady dealings in Florida possibly involving the shipment of large quantities of cocaine into the U.S..

None of these questions were ever investigated by the 911 Commission formed by the W.H., or by the House and Senate under Republican leadership, and that my fellow Americans - should be a crime.I suppose you might feel less oppressed if you just told everyone what you actually believe happened on 9/11 than leaving us to guess and deride you from an uninformed perspective.

[whottt]

Kettle, you're black.

[Spurminator]

In this thread at least, I think Dan is just pointing out the "evil face" cloud formation in the debris from the building.

[Mr. Peabody]

In this thread at least, I think Dan is just pointing out the "evil face" cloud formation in the debris from the building.

It's too late. The knee-jerk reaction crowd is already riled up.

Dan-I looked at the link and I agree that the faces are eerie.

Before everyone starts attacking me, I am not saying the faces mean anything more than idle amusement value. I am sure that there are a number of images that can be seen in billowing clouds of smoke, similar to the images you "see" in clouds.

I remember that shortly after 9-11, some religious nut was saying that the faces were images of Satan, who was letting us know that these attacks were his work. I guess his implication was that the Muslims do the work of Satan.

[johnsmith]

I suppose you might feel less oppressed if you just told everyone what you actually believe happened on 9/11 than leaving us to guess and deride you from an uninformed perspective.


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[johnsmith]

"Yes, quite simple to pull off really. All I had to do was have explosives planted in the base of the towers. Then on 9/11 we pretended like 4 planes were being hijacked when really we rerouted them to Pennsylvania then flew two military jets into the world trade center filled with more explosives and shot down all the witnesses of flight 93 with an F-15 after blowing up the pentagon with a cruise missle. It was only the worlds most intricate and flawlessly executed plan ever, ever".
-President Bush (Southpark)

Best Southpark episode ever.

[boutons_]

Brains are wired genetically for facial recognition, imprinting, and recall, such that brains will try to find a face in almost any pattern (on the surface of the moon, on Mars, etc), but don't tell that to people who find the face of Jesus or Mary in a smear of ice cream or doghsit or a rusted screen door, or a water leak on a wall, or you'll spoil the fun for the rest of us. :lol

[xrayzebra]

I love how everyone automatically assumes I subcribe to the theory that the twin towers were taken down in a controlled demolition. I never said that, nor did I ever imply it. All I did was ask you to watch a video at two timemarks.

A perfect demostration of forum mob-mentality if there ever was one. I remember in 2001 when I was posting that Iraq under Saddam had no formal working relationship with Al Queda, or that his arsenal of WMDs was probably more fantasy than reality, I was barraged with the same mob-mentality then.

The point is, it's to easy to dismiss important points entirely by completely dismissing them as 'liberal conspiracy theory' or because they don't conform to what is considered general consensus by the M$M. Today, based on the level of information we have available, because so much has been deemed 'classified' for national security reasons by the thugs, it would be difficult to build any kind of case of what our government knew or didn't know about the plan to attack the twin towers, but like in 2001 and the Iraq/Al Queda link that turned out to be fantasy, I suspect that there are many stories yet to be told, some involving Israeli Intelligence agencies, some involving repeated power-downs and evacuations in the twin towers in the weeks before the attacks, and some questions about Muhamed Atta's shady dealings in Florida possibly involving the shipment of large quantities of cocaine into the U.S..

None of these questions were ever investigated by the 911 Commission formed by the W.H., or by the House and Senate under Republican leadership, and that my fellow Americans - should be a crime.


You are really more dumb than I thought. Now you want to get out from
under your own "assumptions" by passing them on to others. And expect
us to believe your great "I told you so" crap.

Put your little tin foil hat on and live in an "anxiety" state.

[Nbadan]

I suppose you might feel less oppressed if you just told everyone what you actually believe happened on 9/11 than leaving us to guess and deride you from an uninformed perspective.

Well, I have told ya, your just not listening. There is too much out there that hasn't been investigated, maybe they just turn out to be weird coincidences, but the thugs have little interest in getting to the truth behind 911, that in itself should pretty much tell you all you need to know.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah, I've just seen a bunch of conspiracy posts.

What do you think really happened?

Let us all know so the persecution will end.

[Nbadan]

Nah, I've just seen a bunch of conspiracy posts.

What do you think really happened?

Let us all know so the persecution will end.


Really? What parts were conspiracy besides the Tower film?

[ChumpDumper]

Are you going to answer or what?

I'm apparently not the only one who doesn't fully understand what you believe happened, but you do bring it up quite often.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Ugh... watching this video over and over again is givin me a raging clue....ugh...

[Nbadan]

Are you going to answer or what?

I'm apparently not the only one who doesn't fully understand what you believe happened, but you do bring it up quite often.

Really? I'm only interested in the truth, but the truth isn't always easy to get to when it concerns 911.

[FromWayDowntown]

Are you going to answer or what?

I'm apparently not the only one who doesn't fully understand what you believe happened, but you do bring it up quite often.

I agree with that. I might be a bit more sympathetic to Dan's position if I had any idea what that position was. When asked directly to describe it, all we get is a bunch of questions thrown back at us or vague allusions to past posts (without links or any direction about where one might find more specifics); what assertions have been made tend to be non-specific and extraordinarily vague.

Tell us, Dan -- what is it that you think happened. Until then, don't feel put upon if others are left to their own conjecture about what it is that you're saying. Specifics are always helpful to discussion.

[Obstructed_View]

Blah, I'll let my record on any topic in this forum speak for itself. I'm going on three years and countless numbers of chumps of trying to prove me wrong.

Wanna be the next?
Wrong? When have you ever brought ANYTHING to a discussion? You've been ducking answering Chump's question for three or four posts. You change your position to whatever gives you an advantage, and change the subject before anyone can pin you down. You have 20/20 hindsight and throw partisan hate around without listening to anything anyone else says. You basically rely on posting shit from other people to make statements you lack the ability to back up. Your first instinct upon reading this post is to reply to none of it, claiming victory. You may well do it anyway, since you lack the brainpower required for much past reflex.

Your record definitely speaks for itself. :lol

[Ozzman]

Ugh... watching this video over and over again is givin me a raging clue....ugh...
LMAO!!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Your not looking hard enough. Look harder.

I see Paris Hilton's vagina. That thing is huge!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Blah, I'll let my record on any topic in this forum speak for itself. I'm going on three years and countless numbers of chumps of trying to prove me wrong.

Wanna be the next?

The next time you win a discussion in this forum will be the first time your 'record' even gets a mark in the win column.

I guess about the only thing going for you is that sooner or later we'll all be so stupid from reading your posts that we'll be on the same intelligence level.

[Nbadan]

I agree with that. I might be a bit more sympathetic to Dan's position if I had any idea what that position was. When asked directly to describe it, all we get is a bunch of questions thrown back at us or vague allusions to past posts (without links or any direction about where one might find more specifics); what assertions have been made tend to be non-specific and extraordinarily vague.

Tell us, Dan -- what is it that you think happened. Until then, don't feel put upon if others are left to their own conjecture about what it is that you're saying. Specifics are always helpful to discussion.

I'm just having a little fun with Chump, but perhaps if FWDT is really interested in my thoughts there is a possible book deal in the making, who knows? But for now I guess the best way to describe the way I feel about what took place on 911 is to describe it in a little Rumsfeldian logic:

We don't know what to know because nobody knows all there is to know until those who know want it known, so for now, we don't know what to know until we know what we don't know, then we'll really know.

You know?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Wrong? When have you ever brought ANYTHING to a discussion? You've been ducking answering Chump's question for three or four posts. You change your position to whatever gives you an advantage, and change the subject before anyone can pin you down. You have 20/20 hindsight and throw partisan hate around without listening to anything anyone else says. You basically rely on posting shit from other people to make statements you lack the ability to back up. Your first instinct upon reading this post is to reply to none of it, claiming victory. You may well do it anyway, since you lack the brainpower required for much past reflex.

Your record definitely speaks for itself. :lol


Well Yoni this guy is calling you out as well!!

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm just having a little fun with Chump, but perhaps if FWDT is really interested in my thoughts there is a possible book deal in the making, who knows? But for now I guess the best way to describe the way I feel about what took place on 911 is to describe it in a little Rumsfeldian logic:

We don't know what to know because nobody knows all there is to know until those who know want it known, so for now, we don't know what to know until we know what we don't know, then we'll really know.

You know?

So, you know what you know and we'll know what you know when you want us to know what you know?

Curiously, I still don't see any hint of a concrete answer.

I suppose that vagueness provides a wonderful mechanism to contend that one was never wrong in hindsight; Of course, it also means that one was never right.

[ChumpDumper]

What a tremendous amount of bullshit. You are getting what you deserve, Dan.

[RandomGuy]

I looked at the section requested.

What I see is a rapidly compressed air column blowing out windows.

The thing that really gets me about this is the people who say "why did it collapse so fast, it was in free fall?"

Take a strong man who lifts a lot of weight.

He can support me easily on a platform above his head.

Now drop me from a 3 story window on that platform. My speed when I hit the ground will be so close to the speed at which I would have had I not hit the platform that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

There was a HUGE amount of kinetic energy that would have had to have been absorbed that simply was beyond the structures ability to hold.

[FromWayDowntown]

There was a HUGE amount of kinetic energy that would have had to have been absorbed that simply was beyond the structures ability to hold.

Particularly a structure whose vertical support was already seriously compromised by a hole in its side the size of a large jetliner.

It's convenient to say things like: the buildings were engineered to with stand an airliner's impact; and no similar structure has ever met an end like those buildings did. But the truth is that almost no buildings in the world have ever had to deal with the sort of impact and long-burning inferno that those buildings did. The buildings that have suffered similar impacts or concussions (such as from a significant bomb) have encountered structural failure almost immediately. The buildings that have dealt with long-burning fires haven't had the sort of catostrophic structural damage that WTC 1 and 2 suffered. It's hardly remarkable that those factors, combined with an impact from a jet that was far larger and travelling at far greater speeds than any engineer had ever anticipated, might cause a first of its kind collapse.

When the trusses at the impact site failed and caused the floors at that point of the building to fall down on the floors below, which were losing their support simultaneously, it was just a matter of time before the building lost its structural integrity on a floor-by-floor basis, accelerating with each failing floor. I don't understand why people find it so curious that a building that was designed with vertical external columns and little or no internal vertical support (beyond the core) would pancake down as those buildings did. That seems to make perfect sense given even a rudimentary understanding of physics.

In my mind, in many ways, its miraculous -- and a testament to their fantastic engineering -- that those buildings were able to stand for as long as they did.

[xrayzebra]

I'm just having a little fun with Chump, but perhaps if FWDT is really interested in my thoughts there is a possible book deal in the making, who knows? But for now I guess the best way to describe the way I feel about what took place on 911 is to describe it in a little Rumsfeldian logic:

We don't know what to know because nobody knows all there is to know until those who know want it known, so for now, we don't know what to know until we know what we don't know, then we'll really know.

You know?


Someone would be interested in paying you to write a book?

Oh, I know. You pay someone for a private publishing of your book.
Yeah, that's it.

[Nbadan]

What a tremendous amount of bullshit. You are getting what you deserve, Dan.

Getting what I deserve? All I am saying is you can't solve an tough equation like 911 without knowing more of the variables in the equation. I do know somethings..

1. It was a American Airlines plane that hit the Pentagon - anyone who says different is full of shit.

2. If 1 is true, it is, then you can pretty much conclude it was commercial airliners that hit Towers 1 and 2.

3. There is much more to the Muhammed Atta story than is being currently told. His life-style while in Venice, Florida ran in direct contrast to what you would think a radical islamists would live if he is trying to not attract to much attention.

4. It's inconclusive whether controlled demolition brought down tower 1, 2 or 7 of the world trade center complex. Chemical analysis of beams from the buildings is inconclusive and the FEDS have gotten rid of so much of the evidence, so quickly, that it will take a much more costly analysis to prove or disprove this theory.

5. Foreign intelligence services knew more about 911 than we are currently being told. Was it state-sponsored terrorism? When you find out the truth you'll throw up.

[101A]

Was it state-sponsored terrorism? When you find out the truth you'll throw up.

Targeting Israel, aren't you?

[Nbadan]

Targeting Israel, aren't you?

No, not neccessarily.

[01Snake]

Was it state-sponsored terrorism? When you find out the truth you'll throw up.

Lets hear the truth Dan. Or is it super secret and you'll be killed if you tell us what you (think) know.
:rolleyes

[FromWayDowntown]

5. Foreign intelligence services knew more about 911 than we are currently being told. Was it state-sponsored terrorism? When you find out the truth you'll throw up.

If you know the truth and are so certain that it will cause upset, then why not just reveal it? Why be coy about it?

[Nbadan]

If you know the truth and are so certain that it will cause upset, then why not just reveal it? Why be coy about it?

There are already a number of books out there that tie all the strings together, so I'm not sure how sticking my neck out there would be beneficial, or original. Do some reading and follow the money.

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you sticking your neck out there if you believe it? I don't care if you just agree with someone who wrote a book -- just say what you believe.

[FromWayDowntown]

There are already a number of books out there that tie all the strings together, so I'm not sure how sticking my neck out there would be beneficial, or original. Do some reading and follow the money.

Yet you have no issue with insinuating that there is some truth that none of us are aware of and that when we become as enlightened as you are, we'll be sickened by what we'll learn. Besides, if someone else has written it, how on Earth are you "sticking your neck out there?" Since when has originality mattered to most of your posts in this forum, anyway?

It seems to me that the least you could do is cite us to the books that you find so persuasive and so chock-full of the truth that you're unwilling to share. Otherwise, it strikes me as terribly fair for people to label you as they do.

[Extra Stout]

Since Dan isn't willing to stick his neck out, I'll communicate the conspiracy theory.

All hypothetical, of course.

The theory is that there is a rogue element in the United States government that operates almost as a parallel state. This rogue element is controlled by a select number of plutocrats in finance, oil, and defense. By 2000, these plutocrats allegedly had taken enough of a stranglehold over the Republican Party under the cover of wedge issues to nominate their own administration led by a patsy, i.e. George W. Bush.

These people theoretically sought only to enrich themselves by any means. In order to do so through the government, they had to control the populace. In order to control the populace, they had to make us believe we were at war.

So they recruited a bunch of Arab patsies to be "terrorists," and conspired with rogue elements in the U.S. military and intelligence establishments to carry out the 9/11 attacks. The events of the last five years were meant to raise the price of oil, increase defense spending, and allow those who knew what was going to happen to make a killing in the markets.

The eventual goal is to loot the riches of the United States of America, and as much of the rest of the world as possible, for themselves, and retain power indefinitely.

The conspiracy theory names Dick Cheney as the criminal mastermind.

So basically, Dan won't come out and say it, but he thinks Dick Cheney and the neocons carried out 9/11, that Osama bin Laden works/worked for them, that all other terror attacks are being carried out by agents of the same cabal in other countries, and that Islamic terrorism does not actually exist.

[Nbadan]

Since Dan isn't willing to stick his neck out, I'll communicate the conspiracy theory.

All hypothetical, of course.

The theory is that there is a rogue element in the United States government that operates almost as a parallel state. This rogue element is controlled by a select number of plutocrats in finance, oil, and defense. By 2000, these plutocrats allegedly had taken enough of a stranglehold over the Republican Party under the cover of wedge issues to nominate their own administration led by a patsy, i.e. George W. Bush.

These people theoretically sought only to enrich themselves by any means. In order to do so through the government, they had to control the populace. In order to control the populace, they had to make us believe we were at war.

So they recruited a bunch of Arab patsies to be "terrorists," and conspired with rogue elements in the U.S. military and intelligence establishments to carry out the 9/11 attacks. The events of the last five years were meant to raise the price of oil, increase defense spending, and allow those who knew what was going to happen to make a killing in the markets.

The eventual goal is to loot the riches of the United States of America, and as much of the rest of the world as possible, for themselves, and retain power indefinitely.

The conspiracy theory names Dick Cheney as the criminal mastermind.

So basically, Dan won't come out and say it, but he thinks Dick Cheney and the neocons carried out 9/11, that Osama bin Laden works/worked for them, that all other terror attacks are being carried out by agents of the same cabal in other countries, and that Islamic terrorism does not actually exist.


Well, that's a nice theory, and it does fall quite nicely in line with what someone like, Extra Stout probably thinks most tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists think happened in 911, it's just not likely to be the truth.

[johnsmith]

This thread can't be for real. Please tell me that Dan is just a troll and couldn't possibly be this stupid.

[FromWayDowntown]

Well, that's a nice theory, and it does fall quite nicely in line with what someone like, Extra Stout probably thinks most tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists think happened in 911, it's just not likely to be the truth.

Still waiting . . . .

[Nbadan]

This thread can't be for real. Please tell me that Dan is just a troll and couldn't possibly be this stupid.

Yes, it was forum trolls like you that said Saddam had active links to Al-Queda and was harboring active, known terrais't in early 2003, now we know how wrong that turned out to be.

[johnsmith]

Yes, it was forum trolls like you that said Saddam had active links to Al-Queda and was harboring active, known terrais't in early 2003, now we know how wrong that turned out to be.


I can't help but think you have to be a 13 year old kid getting a big kick out of throwing out conspiracy concepts and saying things like "the truth is out there" and then when asked what the truth is you don't reply because you honestly believe the government is waiting to swoop in and take you away because you figured them out.

Everyone is laughing at you for being an idiot. Look at this little face, :blah he's even laughing at you too.

[Extra Stout]

Well, that's a nice theory, and it does fall quite nicely in line with what someone like, Extra Stout probably thinks most tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists think happened in 911, it's just not likely to be the truth.
No, I actually went to Amazon.com looking for 9/11 conspiracy books, and that was the general gist of the more popular and highly-rated ones.

You said "books" had "tied the strings together." There are thousands of obscure books that have been written with all sorts of theories. That tells us nothing. You're being so impossibly vague that pretty much any revelation that emerges at any point in the future, if any, you'll claim you "knew" about and that you were "right." So far, you have provided all the insight of a daily horoscope.

So either you are just jacking with everyone, or you are completely full of shit.

[johnsmith]

No, I actually went to Amazon.com looking for 9/11 conspiracy books, and that was the general gist of the more popular and highly-rated ones.

You said "books" had "tied the strings together." There are thousands of obscure books that have been written with all sorts of theories. That tells us nothing. You're being so impossibly vague that pretty much any revelation that emerges at any point in the future, if any, you'll claim you "knew" about and that you were "right." So far, you have provided all the insight of a daily horoscope.

So either you are just jacking with everyone, or you are completely full of shit.


Oooh, oooh, I'll take the second one, the full of shit one.

[Nbadan]

Yet you have no issue with insinuating that there is some truth that none of us are aware of and that when we become as enlightened as you are, we'll be sickened by what we'll learn. Besides, if someone else has written it, how on Earth are you "sticking your neck out there?" Since when has originality mattered to most of your posts in this forum, anyway?

It seems to me that the least you could do is cite us to the books that you find so persuasive and so chock-full of the truth that you're unwilling to share. Otherwise, it strikes me as terribly fair for people to label you as they do.

Recommended reading:

9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, Third Edition (Paperback) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0930852370/ref=cm_rna_own_review_prod/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

Aftermath: Unanswered Questions from 9/11 (2003) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009ZBVPO/ref=cm_rna_own_review_prod/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil (Paperback) (http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Rubicon-Decline-American-Empire/dp/0865715408/ref=cm_lm_byauthor_prod_3_2/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

Anti-Americanism (Hardcover) (http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Americanism-Jean-Francois-Revel/dp/1893554856/ref=cm_lm_byauthor_prod_6_1/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

Jawbreaker: The Attack on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda: A Personal Account by the CIA's Key Field Commander (Hardcover) (http://www.amazon.com/Jawbreaker-Attack-Personal-Account-Commander/dp/0307237400/ref=cm_lm_byauthor_prod_0_2/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

The Terror Timeline: Year by Year, Day by Day, Minute by Minute: A Comprehensive Chronicle of the Road to 9/11--and America's Response (Paperback) (http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Timeline-Comprehensive-Chronicle-Response/dp/0060783389/ref=cm_lm_fullview_prod_13/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

What Terrorists Want: Understanding the Enemy, Containing the Threat (Hardcover) (http://www.amazon.com/What-Terrorists-Want-Understanding-Containing/dp/1400064813/ref=cm_lm_fullview_prod_11/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 (Hardcover) (http://www.amazon.com/Looming-Tower-Al-Qaeda-Road-11/dp/037541486X/ref=cm_lm_fullview_prod_8/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

The One Percent Doctrine (Hardcover) (http://www.amazon.com/One-Percent-Doctrine-Ron-Suskind/dp/0743271092/ref=cm_lm_fullview_prod_5/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11 (Paperback) (http://www.amazon.com/New-Pearl-Harbor-Disturbing-Administration/dp/1566565529/ref=cm_lm_fullview_prod_1/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

Those are just the ones off the top of my head, I'm sure I can ammend this list later.

[johnsmith]

Recommended reading:

9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, Third Edition (Paperback) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0930852370/ref=cm_rna_own_review_prod/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

Aftermath: Unanswered Questions from 9/11 (2003) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009ZBVPO/ref=cm_rna_own_review_prod/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil (Paperback) (http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Rubicon-Decline-American-Empire/dp/0865715408/ref=cm_lm_byauthor_prod_3_2/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

Anti-Americanism (Hardcover) (http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Americanism-Jean-Francois-Revel/dp/1893554856/ref=cm_lm_byauthor_prod_6_1/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

Jawbreaker: The Attack on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda: A Personal Account by the CIA's Key Field Commander (Hardcover) (http://www.amazon.com/Jawbreaker-Attack-Personal-Account-Commander/dp/0307237400/ref=cm_lm_byauthor_prod_0_2/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

The Terror Timeline: Year by Year, Day by Day, Minute by Minute: A Comprehensive Chronicle of the Road to 9/11--and America's Response (Paperback) (http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Timeline-Comprehensive-Chronicle-Response/dp/0060783389/ref=cm_lm_fullview_prod_13/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

What Terrorists Want: Understanding the Enemy, Containing the Threat (Hardcover) (http://www.amazon.com/What-Terrorists-Want-Understanding-Containing/dp/1400064813/ref=cm_lm_fullview_prod_11/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 (Hardcover) (http://www.amazon.com/Looming-Tower-Al-Qaeda-Road-11/dp/037541486X/ref=cm_lm_fullview_prod_8/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

The One Percent Doctrine (Hardcover) (http://www.amazon.com/One-Percent-Doctrine-Ron-Suskind/dp/0743271092/ref=cm_lm_fullview_prod_5/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11 (Paperback) (http://www.amazon.com/New-Pearl-Harbor-Disturbing-Administration/dp/1566565529/ref=cm_lm_fullview_prod_1/104-0934893-1858332?ie=UTF8)

Those are just the ones off the top of my head, I'm sure I can ammend this list later.


Alright, clearly this guy is full of shit. "Those are just the ones off the top of my head".........dude, you're a lying, jackass that wants so much to believe that something other then terrorists flew planes into the WTC because your mind is to feeble to accept the fact that there are indeed people that are willing to do this. My advice, for what it's worth, to the rest of the people in this forum is to either put this jackass on ignore or pretend you never read this thread because you are getting dumber reading the thoughts of perhaps the largest idiot to ever post in this forum............ Serenity now! :music

[RandomGuy]

Since Dan isn't willing to stick his neck out, I'll communicate the conspiracy theory.

All hypothetical, of course.

The theory is that there is a rogue element in the United States government that operates almost as a parallel state. This rogue element is controlled by a select number of plutocrats in finance, oil, and defense. By 2000, these plutocrats allegedly had taken enough of a stranglehold over the Republican Party under the cover of wedge issues to nominate their own administration led by a patsy, i.e. George W. Bush.

These people theoretically sought only to enrich themselves by any means. In order to do so through the government, they had to control the populace. In order to control the populace, they had to make us believe we were at war.

So they recruited a bunch of Arab patsies to be "terrorists," and conspired with rogue elements in the U.S. military and intelligence establishments to carry out the 9/11 attacks. The events of the last five years were meant to raise the price of oil, increase defense spending, and allow those who knew what was going to happen to make a killing in the markets.

The eventual goal is to loot the riches of the United States of America, and as much of the rest of the world as possible, for themselves, and retain power indefinitely.

The conspiracy theory names Dick Cheney as the criminal mastermind.



I have talked to a few that believe this as 100% gospel. I use the word gospel intentionally, as it is akin to something of a religion with these folks.

It is easier to believe that a massive, multigenerational conspiracy is afoot than to believe in chaos and randomness.

I would simply point out that multigenerational conspiracies have no historical precedent. Consider a model of generational power structures is something like a monarchy, and how monarchies tend to disintegrate over time as all it really takes is one incompetant king to bring the whole thing down.

Human enterprises don't function well on the familial dynasty model, and conpiracies by "the Rothchilds" etc. have as much validity.

[Nbadan]

Alright, clearly this guy is full of shit. "Those are just the ones off the top of my head".........dude, you're a lying, jackass that wants so much to believe that something other then terrorists flew planes into the WTC because your mind is to feeble to accept the fact that there are indeed people that are willing to do this. My advice, for what it's worth, to the rest of the people in this forum is to either put this jackass on ignore or pretend you never read this thread because you are getting dumber reading the thoughts of perhaps the largest idiot to ever post in this forum............ Serenity now! :music

:lmao

Welcome to the forum!

[johnsmith]

:lmao

Welcome to the forum!


Ummm, thanks. I've been here for a while now though. Hey Dan, what are your thoughts regarding 9/11? Who did it, how and why?

[ChumpDumper]

you're a lying, jackass that wants so much to believe that something other then terrorists flew planes into the WTCHow can you tell? He didn't say what he believed at all.

[johnsmith]

How can you tell? He didn't say what he believed at all.
Good point.

[johnsmith]

Again, hey Dan, what are your thoughts regarding 9/11? Who did it, how and why?

[Nbadan]

Again, hey Dan, what are your thoughts regarding 9/11? Who did it, how and why?

Read the books I recommended and then come talk to me logically instead of reactionary and emotional.

[johnsmith]

Read the books I recommended and then come talk to me logically instead of reactionary and emotional.


Ahhhh, no. Before I read the books I'd like some reason and interest in reading the books. For instance, if you were to explain your theory behind who did it, how and why, perhaps it would stir up enough interest in me where I say, "wow, I should read something about that". Unfortunately, you obviously can't say anything because the secret service would be banging your bedroom door down looking for you and then your mom would get all pissed at you and take away your internet access as well as once and for all parental locking cinemax and thus ruining your nightly ritual of rubbing one out to soft core porn and then wiping your hands on Rover, the family dog.

[Nbadan]

Read the reviews by the Amazon reviewers and get your hard-on.

[johnsmith]

Read the reviews by the Amazon reviewers and get your hard-on.


So basically what you've told everyone through 4 pages of this thread is that you don't have an opinion on what happened on 9/11, how, who or why. You flat out refuse to answer any questions in regards to it. Is this about right?

[johnsmith]

Well, I'm out for the evening. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank nbaDan for proving to me that the old, Arkansas native, damn near illiterate lady across the hall from me that can't speak well, spell well, or do simple math is not the dumbest human being on the planet but rather, it's you Dan............Good job.

[Nbadan]

Arkansas? Well, that explains every......ummm, nevermind.

[johnsmith]

Arkansas? Well, that explains every......ummm, nevermind.


You don't even understand when you are being insulted. She is from Arkansas, therefore I'm implying that she's an idiot, but not nearly as dumb as you. For fuck's sake, it ruins it when you have to explain the whole thing.

[clambake]

Just answer the question so shit for brains will shut up.

[Nbadan]

Just answer the question so shit for brains will shut up.

:lol

I would, if he would ask one.

[01Snake]

:lol

I would, if he would ask one.

He did....


Again, hey Dan, what are your thoughts regarding 9/11? Who did it, how and why?

[RandomGuy]

I wonder why we go apeshit over 2,000 people dead, but don't blink much of an eye when 50,000 people EVERY YEAR die in car crashes.

If we had spent the same amount of money on mass transit that we have on the "war" on terror, we could have saved thousands of lives every year at increasing rates.

As it is we putter away resources based on irrational fear.

[Nbadan]

He did....

What do I think happened on 911? 4 commercial airliners were hijacked by 19 men armed with small knives and box-cutters. One was flown into Tower 1, the another was flown into Tower 2. The third was flown into the side of the Pentagon and the fourth crashed in a field in Penn.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow, it's easy to see what you were afraid of. Dangerous.

[Nbadan]

Wow, it's easy to see what you were afraid of. Dangerous.

Hell, those statements alone would draw myself wide-spread condemnation if they got out to the liberal, community-college crowd in Austin or SA.

:hat

[PixelPusher]

I wonder why we go apeshit over 2,000 people dead, but don't blink much of an eye when 50,000 people EVERY YEAR die in car crashes.

If we had spent the same amount of money on mass transit that we have on the "war" on terror, we could have saved thousands of lives every year at increasing rates.

As it is we putter away resources based on irrational fear.

Hey, now! Don't go giving the terrorist any new ideas! :nope

Can you imagine an al Qaeda plot to simultaneously sever 50,000 brake lines during rush hour traffic?

:dramaquee

[ChumpDumper]

Hell, those statements alone would draw myself wide-spread condemnation if they got out to the liberal, community-college crowd in Austin or SA.

:hatWhat, you're going to get hacky-sacked to death?

[Nbadan]

What, you're going to get hacky-sacked to death?

Yeah, laugh it up, but the last thing I need is for the A/V guys to turn on me.

:hat

[FromWayDowntown]

Hell, those statements alone would draw myself wide-spread condemnation if they got out to the liberal, community-college crowd in Austin or SA.

:hat

Because that's a crowd of intellectuals with significant heft that nobody would want to cross.

:dramaquee

[Nbadan]

YouTube 911 documentaries worth watching...

9/11 Truth: Pakistan, Operation Northwoods & American Empire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI3yejPjiq8&mode=related&search=)

[Nbadan]

Faux News reporting?!? It's rare...

Israeli Spys 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn74W9mx-1Y&mode=related&search=)

Israeli Spys 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHK4GxUZ9aU&mode=related&search=)

[ChumpDumper]

Fantastic! Maybe I too won't have an opinion about what happened after watching them.

[Nbadan]

Rarely seen videos of 911...

First Tower getting hit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNE_enc2bFA&mode=related&search=)

911 from Space (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Tajzpn_iQ)

September 11 - AS IT HAPPENED - Attack-On The South Tower (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOGlcatpDA)

September 11 - AS IT HAPPENED - Collapse of the South Tower (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc4plbUtCas&mode=related&search=)

September 11 - AS IT HAPPENED - Collapse of the North Tower (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-luTU0zSKw&mode=related&search=)

Guy filming on top of ruble from the south tower after collapse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9LWdzuyahI&mode=related&search=)

TLC: WTC steel beams & collapse analysis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfe0Hbgq1HY&search=WTC%20World%20Trade%20Center%20Twin%20Tower s%20New%20York%20911%2011%20september%202001%20ter rorist%20attack%20collapse%20war)

[FromWayDowntown]

Curiously, other than the video from space and the subsequently-produced TLC clip, I had seen all of those clips before (most of them on September 11, 2001 or shortly thereafter). Indeed, I ran videotapes for 24 hours on that day and into 9/12 to follow the coverage and can assure you, Dan, that virtually every shred of that footage was broadcast contemporaneously with the attacks. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but those clips are hardly obscure pieces of film.

[RandomGuy]

I don't understand why people find it so curious that a building that was designed with vertical external columns and little or no internal vertical support (beyond the core) would pancake down as those buildings did. That seems to make perfect sense given even a rudimentary understanding of physics.

In my mind, in many ways, its miraculous -- and a testament to their fantastic engineering -- that those buildings were able to stand for as long as they did.

That is the crux of the problem.

Most conspiracy theorists have little or no scientific education. "Rudimentary" is beyond them.

[Nbadan]

Curiously, other than the video from space and the subsequently-produced TLC clip, I had seen all of those clips before (most of them on September 11, 2001 or shortly thereafter). Indeed, I ran videotapes for 24 hours on that day and into 9/12 to follow the coverage and can assure you, Dan, that virtually every shred of that footage was broadcast contemporaneously with the attacks. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but those clips are hardly obscure pieces of film.

It's good to want the garden, but sometimes you have to be happy just enjoying the flowers.

[JoeChalupa]

Where is Rod Serling?

[Nbadan]

That seems to make perfect sense given even a rudimentary understanding of physics.

That would certainly help to explain the collapse of Towers 1 and 2, but it does not even begin to solve the puzzle of why building 7 would collapse. Building 7 is the key, if it was brought down in a controlled demolition, then it wouldn't be to far fetched to believe that it was more than just physics that finally brought down the giant towers.

This is why this theory is inconclusive.

[Nbadan]

20 October 2006


Human remains - some reportedly as large as arm or leg bones - have been found at the site of the 11 September 2001 attacks in New York.

The remains were found in rubble excavated from a manhole near the site of the World Trade Center.

Relatives say the find proves the need for a thorough new search of the area around Ground Zero.

"We can no longer rely on accidental discoveries," said WTC Families for Proper Burial in a statement.

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6070206.stm)

Maybe it's just me, but since ground zero is sacred ground, and the point of the most spectacular 'battle' in U.S. history, I would have had the whole area combed with a fine tooth comb for remains of our heros.

Nice job Guiliani.