GOP/Talk Radio propoganda machine out in full force

[George Gervin's Afro]

I tend to listen to talk radio throughout the day and I have noticed that Hush and Whannity have dusted off their pom poms and are desperately trying to keep the faithful motivated. It's actually pretty funny... Any thoughts?

[Ocotillo]

I haven't listened today but they were doing that last week. They are an important part of the far right noise machine. Many of my conservative friends disavow them but clearly their audience numbers indicate there is more than the curious listening.

You would be hard pressed to find someone who admits to following Pat Robertson or even Jerry Falwell but they have followers.

It is entertaining to listen to them when they are battling a wave like they are these days.

[boutons_]

The bomb-throwing communists in the east coast newspapers say the Repugs have given up on a lot of seats, and are concentrating everything on the few seats they think their larger $$$ can buy. The nastiness and slime from both parties in next few weeks will be unprecedented. Ain't America The Beautiful just great? :lol

Is US democracy really something we want to spread around? :lol

Evangelicals and other religious radicals have been cooled off by the Repugs' ethical fiascos and the recent WH insider book that said the WH take them for manipulable jerks and nutters. They won't vote Dem, but may not vote at all.

I think the election will depend on how many blacks the Repugs can disenfranchise and intimidate into not voting, how many Diebold machines the Repugs can game, etc, etc.

October is on track to be the 3rd worst month for US military deaths since the phony war was started.

Saddam is calling for increased attacks on US military to liberate Iraq from the occupiers.

Where is Rove's October surprise? Will it be more slime on Clinton? :lol

[johnsmith]

I haven't listened today but they were doing that last week. They are an important part of the far right noise machine. Many of my conservative friends disavow them but clearly their audience numbers indicate there is more than the curious listening.

You would be hard pressed to find someone who admits to following Pat Robertson or even Jerry Falwell but they have followers.

It is entertaining to listen to them when they are battling a wave like they are these days.


Hey, where do you get numbers for radio shows? Not the national stuff, but local programming. I always wanted to know and have been unable to find, ratings numbers for the SA sports talk shows. Mainly because I hate Charlie and Chance and was forced to buy Sirius radio, but I'm still curious how many idiots live in the SA area and listen to those guys.

Oh, and sorry to change the subject.

[boutons_]

I'm glad to see the Dems can find the gumption to run witch-hunts as well as the Repugs. :lol

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October 16, 2006

F.B.I. Raids Home of Pa. Congressman’s Daughter

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 2:01 p.m. ET

MEDIA, Pa. (AP) -- The FBI raided the homes of Rep. Curt Weldon's daughter and a close friend Monday as it investigates whether the congressman improperly helped the pair win lobbying and consulting contracts.

Agents searched four locations in the Philadelphia area and two in Jacksonville, Fla., said Debbie Weierman, an FBI spokeswoman in Washington. The congressman's home and his offices were not among the locations searched, she said.

Earlier Monday, Weldon called the investigation politically motivated and called the timing suspect. A Republican locked in a tight re-election bid, he denied wrongdoing and said he gave his daughter no special help.

''What I find ironic, if there is an investigation, is that no one would tell me until three weeks before the election,'' Weldon said at an appearance in Media. ''This incident was 2 1/2 years ago.''

( snif snif, you whiny bastard, and BFD Whitewater was 12 years before Clinton was elected. Apparently 2 1/2 years is well within the statute of limitations on witch-hunts. :lol If you can't stand the heat, .... )

Weierman confirmed that the six raids included Karen Weldon's home in Philadelphia; the Springfield home of Charles Sexton, her business partner and the congressman's close friend; and the office of their company, Solutions North America, in Media.

[xrayzebra]

boutons, does this mean that Reid is innocent of all charges as a real estate agent?

And, that all us conservatives should not vote in November? Or that we are going
to go through the hanging chad, the electronic voting machines were rigged.

You folks should really try a new argument, just sometime.

[01Snake]

October is on track to be the 3rd worst month for US military deaths since the phony war was started.

Saddam is calling for increased attacks on US military to liberate Iraq from the occupiers.



I wonder why that is??

[Ocotillo]

boutons, does this mean that Reid is innocent of all charges as a real estate agent?



Let's ask Harry himself. (http://reid.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=264714&)

Last month, Republicans openly boasted that they would engage in a campaign of personal attacks and smears to hold onto power in Washington. In recent days, we witnessed their latest attempt to do just that.

“Republicans may believe in cover-ups. I believe in ensuring all facts come to light.

“Last week, a highly misleading report by the Associated Press implied that I made a profit selling land I no longer owned. That article was wrong. Here are the facts: I bought the land in 1998, I sold it in 2004, and I listed my ownership of the land on official Senate disclosure forms every single year.


“Now I have taken an additional step. Today, I directed my staff to file amended financial disclosure forms noting that in 2001, I transferred title to the land to a Limited Liability Corporation. As the amended forms make clear, this routine legal move in no way altered my actual ownership of the land. On each disclosure form after 2001, I have added a note to clarify that the land already disclosed in detail on those forms was owned by me through the LLC.


“The Ethics Committee has not yet advised me whether I should file these amended forms, but even if I am not required to do so I am happy to go beyond what is needed to provide the fullest disclosure. The amended forms make clear what was true all along – I owned the land through the LLC when I sold it in 2004.


“Also, in the course of preparing the amended disclosure forms, my staff has identified some clerical errors and two minor matters that were inadvertently left off my original disclosure forms. First, in 2004 I sold about one third of an acre in my hometown of Searchlight. Second, a quarter acre of land that I received from my brother in 1985 appreciated in value above the $1,000 reporting threshold at some point in recent years. Both of these items will be listed on my amended disclosure forms.


“Finally, I have acted today to respond to another issue some plan to raise. I have sent a personal check in the amount of $3,300 to my political campaign to fully reimburse the campaign for donations it made over several years to the employee holiday fund in my apartment building. These donations were made to thank the men and women who work in the building for the extra work they do as a result of my political activities, and for helping the security officers assigned to me because of my Senate position. The donations came from my campaign – no taxpayer dollars were ever involved.


“When the campaign first donated to the holiday fund, its experienced lawyer William Oldaker advised us that such donations were permissible. The campaign's current lawyer, Marc Elias, says the same thing. Nonetheless, I am reimbursing the campaign from my own pocket to prevent this issue from being used in the current campaign season to deflect attention from Republican failures.”


Wow, disclosure and openess. Something that is foreign to the Republicans.

[Ocotillo]

Where is Rove's October surprise? Will it be more slime on Clinton? :lol

Hmmmmm (http://billmon.org/archives/002830.html)

Some Republican strategists are increasingly upset with what they consider the overconfidence of President Bush and his senior advisers about the midterm elections November 7 -- a concern aggravated by the president's news conference this week.
"They aren't even planning for if they lose," says a GOP insider who informally counsels the West Wing.

U.S. News and World Report
Bush Is Said to Have No Plan if GOP Loses
October 13, 2006





The aircraft carrier Eisenhower, accompanied by the guided-missile cruiser USS Anzio, guided-missile destroyer USS Ramage, guided-missile destroyer USS Mason and the fast-attack submarine USS Newport News, is, as I write, making its way to the Straits of Hormuz off Iran. The ships will be in place to strike Iran by the end of the month. It may be a bluff. It may be a feint. It may be a simple show of American power. But I doubt it.
Chris Hedges
Does Bush Think War With Iran is Preordained?
October 10, 2006

October ain't over til it's over.

[boutons_]

Yet another Repug political tool parachuted into the FDA to protect and enrich the drug compaines goes down in flames.

=======================

October 16, 2006

Former F.D.A. Chief Charged for False Statements

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 3:04 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former FDA chief Lester Crawford was charged Monday with lying about his ownership of stock in companies regulated by his agency.

The Justice Department accused the former head of the Food and Drug Administration with falsely reporting that he had sold stock in companies when he continued holding onto shares in the firms governed by FDA rules.

The criminal charges were outlined in court papers known as an ''information,'' a legal document which ordinarily precedes a guilty plea. The Justice Department's fraud and public corruption section filed the papers in U.S. District Court in Washington. Crawford was scheduled to appear before a federal magistrate Tuesday afternoon. The former FDA chief was accused of making a false writing and conflict of interest.

The papers state that Crawford failed to disclose his income from exercising stock options in Embrex Inc. of Research Triangle Park, N.C., an agriculture biotechnology company regulated by FDA.

Crawford had been a member of the board of directors of Embrex, according to federal filings.

The court papers also say that Crawford chaired FDA's Obesity Working Group at a time when he and his wife owned stock in soft drink and snack food manufacturer Pepsico Inc., based in Purchase, N.Y., and food product manufacturer Sysco Corp., based in Houston.

The panel Crawford was chairing was making decisions affecting food and soft drink manufacturers.

Crawford, a veterinarian, abruptly resigned from the FDA job in September 2005 but gave no reason for his decision to step down. He had held the top position for just two months but had been acting head of the regulatory agency for more than a year.

According to the Justice Department's court papers:

--A government ethics official inquired about Crawford's ownership of stock in several companies FDA regulates and Crawford replied in a Dec. 28, 2004 e-mail that ''Sysco and Kimberly-Clark have in fact been sold.'' Actually, the court papers state, Crawford knew that he or his wife held shares in both.

--Even though financial reporting requirements for federal officials say all income must be disclosed, Crawford failed to reveal $8,000 in income from the exercise of Embrex stock options in 2003, and also failed to report $20,000 from the sale of Embrex stock options in 2004.

--At the time he was making decisions chairing the government obesity panel, Crawford and his wife owned more than $25,000 in Pepsico shares and over $25,000 in Sysco shares.

[Nbadan]

Looks like the thugs have adapted the shot-gun approach to spreading propaganda. Throw all out there at once and see if anything sticks. The Harry Reid thing hasn't gone anywhere, so its back to the Demos will raise your taxes and cut and run in Iraq.

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/us/politics/17radio.html?ex=1161748800&en=c4f7c6b1b6deeff0&ei=5065&partner=MYWAY


As Talk Radio Wavers, Bush Moves to Firm Up Support
White House photo by Eric Draper
President Bush discussed his policies with conservative radio hosts last month at the White House, including, from left, Mike Gallagher, Neal Boortz, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and Michael Medved.


By JIM RUTENBERG
Published: October 17, 2006
WASHINGTON, Oct. 16 — On an overcast Friday morning last month, White House aides ushered an influential group of conservative radio hosts into the Oval Office for a private audience with the president.

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Go to Election GuideMore Politics News News From Congressional QuarterlyFor an hour and a half, Mr. Bush discussed his case for the war in Iraq, his immigration proposals and even the personality of his Scottish terrier Barney, who scratched on the door during the session until the president relented and let him into the office, according to several hosts who attended.

The meeting, which was not announced on the president’s public schedule, was part of an intensive Republican Party campaign to reclaim and re-energize a crucial army of supporters that is not as likely to walk in lockstep with the White House as it has in the past.

Conservative radio hosts are breaking with the Republican leadership in ways not seen in at least a decade, and certainly not since Rush Limbaugh’s forceful advocacy of the party in 1994 spawned a new generation of stars, said Michael Harrison, publisher of the industry’s lead trade publication, Talkers.

Disgruntlement can now be found not only among the more flamboyant radio voices, like Michael Savage, who raged against Mr. Bush’s proposals on immigration and other issues, but also among more mainstream hosts, like Laura Ingraham, who told her listeners in the wake of the scandal involving former Representative Mark Foley and under-age Congressional pages, “You have to ask yourself, the people who are in positions of power now in the Republican Party, are they able to credibly articulate the conservative agenda to the American people — to rally the base, to rally the country?”

Such questions, coming from such quarters, have created yet another challenge for the White House and the central party leadership as they work to steer Republicans to victory next month in the face of low approval ratings and dissatisfaction among the party faithful.

Strategists on both sides agree that the party’s greatest hope for holding control of Congress now rests with its ability to get core Republicans to vote, and that talk radio, which reaches millions of them, is crucial to the task.

Democratic strategists say talk radio remains a fearsome Republican advocacy force for which they have little direct answer. (Air America, which features liberal hosts, including Al Franken, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy last week.) The top two rated conservative hosts, Mr. Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, have done more than their part to rally their listeners this year, especially during the Foley scandal, to the great relief of Republican Party officials. And even those critical of Mr. Bush or the party on specific issues still consider themselves major supporters in general, with perhaps the exception of Mr. Savage.

But Mr. Savage is the third most popular host in the nation, with at least eight million listeners weekly, according to Talkers. And the Democrats have watched happily as he and others have at times sent reverberations of conservative frustration into what they often call the “Republican echo chamber.”

The challenge now falls to party strategists to persuade the hosts to overcome the frustrations of many hard-core listeners over issues like spending and border security without alienating them.

“When conservatives are agitated at the president, radio hosts feel pressured to stand with the conservatives against the president to prove their independence,” said Tim Graham, an analyst at the Media Research Center, a conservative news monitoring group. But, Mr. Graham said, “realizing what life would be like if we lost the House is concentrating people’s minds.”

The White House and the Republican National Committee are hammering home that point in interviews, talking-point bulletins and a healthy dollop of pomp that only a White House can provide.

The effort will peak on Oct. 24, when the administration will hold something of a talk-radio summit meeting, inviting dozens of hosts to set up booths on the White House grounds, where top cabinet officials are expected to sit for interviews.

The party chairman, Ken Mehlman, has already been working overtime on the talk radio circuit. From Wednesday to Friday of last week, he was interviewed a total of 20 times in Missouri, Tennessee and Ohio, promoting party stances on tax cuts and terrorism.

But, several hosts said, the most telling development so far this year was the White House decision to invite some of the most popular hosts to the Oval Office for off-the-record time with the president.

Kevin Sullivan, the White House communications director, said the meeting was among the latest examples of the administration’s effort to put Mr. Bush in front of more news media as his own best spokesman. The president also gave interviews recently to several television anchors and held an Oval Office chat with a group of conservative writers.

And Mr. Bush granted an on-camera interview to Bill O’Reilly of the Fox News Channel. The first of three parts ran Monday night.

Still, officials said, the meeting with the radio hosts gave Mr. Bush a chance to speak intimately with a group that reaches an overwhelmingly Republican audience of 30 million people per week.

“You want to make sure that your friends are friendly,” said Tony Snow, the White House press secretary, who has been crucial to the effort and who was a conservative radio host who turned harshly critical of Mr. Bush just months before he went to work for him last spring.

And the fight against terrorism dominated the discussion at the meeting.

“This was clearly, clearly an effort to kind of rally the troops when the troops need rallying,” said Mike Gallagher, who attended the meeting and whose daily program reaches at least 3.75 million people each week. “They know that we’ve got an audience of people who may or may not be on the political fence right now.”

Mr. Gallagher said that he and the other hosts — Mr. Hannity, Ms. Ingraham, Neal Boortz and Michael Medved — talked about the experience on their programs “for days and days and days.”

(Mr. Limbaugh said that he met with Mr. Bush and Karl Rove, the president’s chief strategist, in the Oval Office in June, but generally tried to keep his distance to maintain independence.)

On his Web site, Mr. Medved wrote how Mr. Bush spoke about his commitment to his immigration plan in terms of the fight against terrorism. He said the president made a case that if he were to give in to conservative complaints, “the nation’s enemies (and the rest of the world) would take away the belief that the president could be bullied, prodded, overwhelmed and intimidated.”

Mr. Hannity said of the meeting, “I think he’d have an 80 percent approval rating if he could bring people into the Oval Office six people at a time and explain it all to them.”

But Ms. Ingraham, who recently went bike riding with the president, has continued to complain about federal spending, progress in Iraq and, lately, the Republican leadership’s handling of the Foley scandal. Ms. Ingraham likened herself to a sports fan who nonetheless has occasional criticism of the coach. But, she said pointedly on her show: “I am not an advocate for the G.O.P. I’m an advocate for conservative ideas.”

[101A]

Throw all out there at once and see if anything sticks.


That's "Mud-Slinging", not "Shot-Gun"

[Ocotillo]

But Mr. Savage is the third most popular host in the nation

That is friggin' scary!


On his Web site, Mr. Medved wrote how Mr. Bush spoke about his commitment to his immigration plan in terms of the fight against terrorism. He said the president made a case that if he were to give in to conservative complaints, “the nation’s enemies (and the rest of the world) would take away the belief that the president could be bullied, prodded, overwhelmed and intimidated.”

See, if you disagree with Dear Leader your are with the terrorists even if you are conservative. :lol :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I tend to listen to talk radio throughout the day and I have noticed that Hush and Whannity have dusted off their pom poms and are desperately trying to keep the faithful motivated. It's actually pretty funny... Any thoughts?

1. It's an election year.

2. The demos are doing the same thing.

Big deal...

[George Gervin's Afro]

1. It's an election year.

2. The demos are doing the same thing.

Big deal...


I haven't heard that much cheerleading since I bagged your little sister... :santahat

[xrayzebra]

Let's ask Harry himself. (http://reid.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=264714&)

Last month, Republicans openly boasted that they would engage in a campaign of personal attacks and smears to hold onto power in Washington. In recent days, we witnessed their latest attempt to do just that.

“Republicans may believe in cover-ups. I believe in ensuring all facts come to light.

“Last week, a highly misleading report by the Associated Press implied that I made a profit selling land I no longer owned. That article was wrong. Here are the facts: I bought the land in 1998, I sold it in 2004, and I listed my ownership of the land on official Senate disclosure forms every single year.


“Now I have taken an additional step. Today, I directed my staff to file amended financial disclosure forms noting that in 2001, I transferred title to the land to a Limited Liability Corporation. As the amended forms make clear, this routine legal move in no way altered my actual ownership of the land. On each disclosure form after 2001, I have added a note to clarify that the land already disclosed in detail on those forms was owned by me through the LLC.


“The Ethics Committee has not yet advised me whether I should file these amended forms, but even if I am not required to do so I am happy to go beyond what is needed to provide the fullest disclosure. The amended forms make clear what was true all along – I owned the land through the LLC when I sold it in 2004.


“Also, in the course of preparing the amended disclosure forms, my staff has identified some clerical errors and two minor matters that were inadvertently left off my original disclosure forms. First, in 2004 I sold about one third of an acre in my hometown of Searchlight. Second, a quarter acre of land that I received from my brother in 1985 appreciated in value above the $1,000 reporting threshold at some point in recent years. Both of these items will be listed on my amended disclosure forms.


“Finally, I have acted today to respond to another issue some plan to raise. I have sent a personal check in the amount of $3,300 to my political campaign to fully reimburse the campaign for donations it made over several years to the employee holiday fund in my apartment building. These donations were made to thank the men and women who work in the building for the extra work they do as a result of my political activities, and for helping the security officers assigned to me because of my Senate position. The donations came from my campaign – no taxpayer dollars were ever involved.


“When the campaign first donated to the holiday fund, its experienced lawyer William Oldaker advised us that such donations were permissible. The campaign's current lawyer, Marc Elias, says the same thing. Nonetheless, I am reimbursing the campaign from my own pocket to prevent this issue from being used in the current campaign season to deflect attention from Republican failures.”


Wow, disclosure and openess. Something that is foreign to the Republicans.


Only one little thingy.......it was one of his aides who disclosed the
whole thing. Not some Republican......

[mikejones99]

yall should listen to the Tom Leykis show instead of that shit

[boutons_]

"have an 80 percent approval rating if he could bring people into the Oval Office"

Hannity is a 100% Repug shill, to be kind. 80% perhaps of the dumbfuck Repugs forever base.

60% of US disapproves of dubya, and they don't need to go to OO to find out why, nor will a trip to OO change that disastrous 60% disapproval rate.

Does he think he and the rest of his Foxers are taken (more) seriously in those conspicuously black suits? Fox is super-serious, no-nonsense, fair and balanced because we wear black suits? Sheeple be fooled everytime.

[mikejones99]

comedy central is far more real than fox and their band of bullshitters

[Nbadan]

Talk about catapulting the propaganda...

http://graphics10.nytimes.com/images/2006/10/17/us/17radio_lg.jpg
Insannity, O'Lielly, and Dubya in the same room? Now that's a room full of dumb


WASHINGTON, Oct. 16 — On an overcast Friday morning last month, White House aides ushered an influential group of conservative radio hosts into the Oval Office for a private audience with the president.
The meeting, which was not announced on the president’s public schedule, was part of an intensive Republican Party campaign to reclaim and re-energize a crucial army of supporters that is not as likely to walk in lockstep with the White House as it has in the past.
Conservative radio hosts are breaking with the Republican leadership in ways not seen in at least a decade, and certainly not since Rush Limbaugh’s forceful advocacy of the party in 1994 spawned a new generation of stars, said Michael Harrison, publisher of the industry’s lead trade publication, Talkers.

snip

The White House and the Republican National Committee are hammering home that point in interviews, talking-point bulletins and a healthy dollop of pomp that only a White House can provide.
The effort will peak on Oct. 24, when the administration will hold something of a talk-radio summit meeting, inviting dozens of hosts to set up booths on the White House grounds, where top cabinet officials are expected to sit for interviews.

The party chairman, Ken Mehlman, has already been working overtime on the talk radio circuit. From Wednesday to Friday of last week, he was interviewed a total of 20 times in Missouri, Tennessee and Ohio, promoting party stances on tax cuts and terrorism.
But, several hosts said, the most telling development so far this year was the White House decision to invite some of the most popular hosts to the Oval Office for off-the-record time with the president.
Kevin Sullivan, the White House communications director, said the meeting was among the latest examples of the administration’s effort to put Mr. Bush in front of more news media as his own best spokesman. The president also gave interviews recently to several television anchors and held an Oval Office chat with a group of conservative writers.

And Mr. Bush granted an on-camera interview to Bill O’Reilly of the Fox News Channel. The first of three parts ran Monday night.

snip

And the fight against terrorism dominated the discussion at the meeting.

“This was clearly, clearly an effort to kind of rally the troops when the troops need rallying,” said Mike Gallagher, who attended the meeting and whose daily program reaches at least 3.75 million people each week. “They know that we’ve got an audience of people who may or may not be on the political fence right now.”
Mr. Gallagher said that he and the other hosts — Mr. Hannity, Ms. Ingraham, Neal Boortz and Michael Medved — talked about the experience on their programs “for days and days and days.”
(Mr. Limbaugh said that he met with Mr. Bush and Karl Rove, the president’s chief strategist, in the Oval Office in June, but generally tried to keep his distance to maintain independence.)

NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/us/politics/17radio.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1)

[boutons_]

Where rabble and rousers are gathered in Repugs' name, there be evil.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I haven't heard that much cheerleading since I bagged your little sister... :santahat

You haven't? You're in here on your knees for the two biggest cheerleaders of the democratic party (Dan and croutons) every single fucking day.

I guess when you wear the kneepads, it changes your perspective.

[Nbadan]

You haven't? You're in here on your knees for the two biggest cheerleaders of the democratic party (Dan and croutons) every single fucking day.

I guess when you wear the kneepads, it changes your perspective.

I don't know how tied to the Demos you think we are, but at least we criticize weak Demo Party leadership.

Just say no to Hillary, and Kerry, where are you on any of the Republican candidates for 08?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Hush limpballs is now pouring the "Clinton did it too" koolaid for his listeners. hey Hush your a day late buddy!! :sleep

[RandomGuy]

The bomb-throwing communists in the east coast newspapers say the Repugs have given up on a lot of seats, and are concentrating everything on the few seats they think their larger $$$ can buy. The nastiness and slime from both parties in next few weeks will be unprecedented.

I think a lot of us can agree on that last bit.

[RandomGuy]

You haven't? You're in here on your knees for the two biggest cheerleaders of the democratic party (Dan and croutons) every single fucking day.

I guess when you wear the kneepads, it changes your perspective.

You and others say this a lot, but you are simply wrong.

I think this is yet another example of why I will not vote for the GOP for the conceivable future.

It seems, based on things that you and other GOPer say, that questioning the party leadership is a BIG no-no. That's not democracy, that's totalitarianism.

The "Democrats", as you call them, like myself, Dan or Boutons, all actively question the Democratic leadership, as do most progressives.

We are FAR from blind followers as you seem to be.

I would love to see some of the diehards like yourself or Yoni actually question Bush or his administration on things, rather than simply following in lockstep.

If you really want democracy, I guess you have to be a democrat...

[101A]

You and others say this a lot, but you are simply wrong.

I think this is yet another example of why I will not vote for the GOP for the conceivable future.

It seems, based on things that you and other GOPer say, that questioning the party leadership is a BIG no-no. That's not democracy, that's totalitarianism.

The "Democrats", as you call them, like myself, Dan or Boutons, all actively question the Democratic leadership, as do most progressives.

We are FAR from blind followers as you seem to be.

I would love to see some of the diehards like yourself or Yoni actually question Bush or his administration on things, rather than simply following in lockstep.

If you really want democracy, I guess you have to be a democrat...

Glad you use such impeccable logic in choosing your party affiliation, RG. I, for one, believe it or not, don't vote Republican or Democrat based on anything anybody believes on this board. I try to vote for the person who will vote for things that I like, and against things I don't.

[xrayzebra]

You and others say this a lot, but you are simply wrong.

I think this is yet another example of why I will not vote for the GOP for the conceivable future.

It seems, based on things that you and other GOPer say, that questioning the party leadership is a BIG no-no. That's not democracy, that's totalitarianism.

The "Democrats", as you call them, like myself, Dan or Boutons, all actively question the Democratic leadership, as do most progressives.

We are FAR from blind followers as you seem to be.

I would love to see some of the diehards like yourself or Yoni actually question Bush or his administration on things, rather than simply following in lockstep.

If you really want democracy, I guess you have to be a democrat...


Holy Smokes! RG, you don't question the
leadership of the dimm-o-craps? I question
the leadership of the Republicans all the time.
But so far they are far superior to anything the
dimm-o-craps put out.

Cut and run
Raise Taxes
Impeach Bush (for what?)

Better look at the history of the dimms and
do a little comparison.

Oh, I know you got Teddy and his Son and
You have the smartest woman in the world, who
now says she wasn't name after Sir Hillary and
Clinton who only got a head job and Harry Reid,
the real estate guy and Nancy who will drain the
swamp and The "Studd" from Mass. who's
husband is complaining he cant get his pension
since he died........ :dizzy