Leinart...the Best Rookie QB EVER

[johngateswhiteley]

...i think he could be when this year is all said and done. dude is NAILS in the pocket and the season only gets easier from here on out. plus, Fitzgerald was out of this game. i don't know what the best years are for rookie QBs, but someone, if not me, should find out.

[leemajors]

he's 0-2.

[johngateswhiteley]

he's 0-2.

he, being part of a team...then yes.

i did a little research and Peyton Mannings rating his first year was 71 and Favre's 85. there, of course, is more to it than ratings...but considering the o-line in Arizona and if Leinart can continue to play better each week, i think he could be.

pretty good stuff on Mike & Mike right now, they were just saying how tremendous Leinart is...and he is. i know his team is 0-2 in his two starts, but if the coaches were not inept they would be 2-0. both games followed the same outline...agressive early>>>big lead then going conservative>>>meltdown.

[samikeyp]

Big Ben was 13-0 his rookie season, Kyle Orton was 10-5.

Leinart is playing well but he needs to start winning.

[samikeyp]

But to be fair.....Aikman went 0-11 his first year..then won 3 SB's and is in the HOF.

[leemajors]

he, being part of a team...then yes.

i did a little research and Peyton Mannings rating his first year was 71 and Favre's 85. there, of course, is more to it than ratings...but considering the o-line in Arizona and if Leinart can continue to play better each week, i think he could be.

pretty good stuff on Mike & Mike right now, they were just saying how tremendous Leinart is...and he is. i know his team is 0-2 in his two starts, but if the coaches were not inept they would be 2-0. both games followed the same outline...agressive early>>>big lead then going conservative>>>meltdown.

if his line can't run block, he's never going to win. if they get rid of the nutty professor or he gets out of arizona he may win.

[johngateswhiteley]

Big Ben was 13-0 his rookie season, Kyle Orton was 10-5.

Leinart is playing well but he needs to start winning.

Sami....geez, i cannot believe you brought up tiny ben. he is a product of a great team around him. if Leinart was on the Steelers he would NEVER lose a game. Leinart already does everything better than ben....of course, i should stress, i don't think ben is a good QB. just in the right place at the right time.

as relevant as what you said...this year:

ben 1-3 >>>losses were ben's fault, 7 INTs and 0 TDs
Leinart 0-2>>>coaches fault

[johnsmith]

In his first professional season, Dan Marino threw for 2,210 yards and 20 touchdowns. He was named NFL Rookie of the Year and he was also the first rookie to start at quarterback in the Pro Bowl.

Marino wins just by going to the super bowl.

[Horry For 3!]

Your love for Leinart is sickening. We need a jack off smiley for this time.


Leinart isn't the best rookie QB ever, sorry guy. He is good but not even close to the best.

[samikeyp]

JGW, relax bro...don't get your burgandy and gold up :) ...I was just throwing out stats. I also said Leinart was playing well and I also brought up a Hall of Fame QB who also had a slow start as a good comparison. (guess you missed that part. :) ) Ben is in a good situation but to say he is not good is wrong. In that same logic, one could argue that Ben could put up better individual numbers in a different system. Leinart is playing well despite a not having a good team around him. I agree that to achieve team success (which should be the ultimate goal) you need a good team around you. I don't think Leinart is the best rookie QB ever (I agree w/Marino) but statistically that could change and he is on his way to a great career.

[johngateswhiteley]

In his first professional season, Dan Marino threw for 2,210 yards and 20 touchdowns. He was named NFL Rookie of the Year and he was also the first rookie to start at quarterback in the Pro Bowl.

Marino wins just by going to the super bowl.

i figured Marino had a good rookie year, i am going to check out his stats cause i am curious how he did. though he was obviously on a better team than Leinart is. and that makes a huge difference.

just for the record, i am being a bit facetious...and its only cause there are so many dumbasses on this board.

[johngateswhiteley]

JGW, relax bro...don't get your burgandy and gold up :) ...I was just throwing out stats. I also said Leinart was playing well and I also brought up a Hall of Fame QB who also had a slow start as a good comparison. (guess you missed that part. :) ) Ben is in a good situation but to say he is not good is wrong. In that same logic, one could argue that Ben could put up better individual numbers in a different system. Leinart is playing well despite a not having a good team around him. I agree that to achieve team success (which should be the ultimate goal) you need a good team around you. I don't think Leinart is the best rookie QB ever (I agree w/Marino) but statistically that could change and he is on his way to a great career.


i did not miss anything you said. i just happen to think ben is a poor QB and i disagree with your statement, that one could argue ben could put up better #s elsewhere. its simple...every time ben is asked to throw more than about 25 times in a game he usually SUCKS. the team succeeds b/c it has a nasty defense and a great run game. is ben a good fit for the steelers?....he's not bad, definitely not great, but not bad. on any team without an amazing defense and run game he would absolutely suck.

[samikeyp]

You are right because the system he is in is not condusive to that many attempts. You put him in a system that is more suited to that and he could (key word is could) have better numbers. It can be argued. Anything can...this board proves it! :lol

Just about any QB on a team without an amazing defense and run game would suck. You need that for a successful team. What Leinart needs is a better front office to get him some o-line help.

[johngateswhiteley]

You are right because the system he is in is not condusive to that many attempts. You put him in a system that is more suited to that and he could (key word is could) have better numbers. It can be argued. Anything can...this board proves it! :lol

Just about any QB on a team without an amazing defense and run game would suck. You need that for a successful team. What Leinart needs is a better front office to get him some o-line help.

Arizona's defense is OK and they have ZERO run game. Leinart is even better than his #s then, right?

[samikeyp]

I think he is. I was on record saying when he was at SC that he was, IMO, the best prepared for the pro's of all the QB's coming out. He is still a rookie and will still make mistakes but even the opponents have been impressed. Alex Brown of the Bears said before the game that watching him on film he seemed very poised and seemed more like a vet than a rookie.

[Old School Chic]

I think he is. I was on record saying when he was at SC that he was, IMO, the best prepared for the pro's of all the QB's coming out. He is still a rookie and will still make mistakes but even the opponents have been impressed. Alex Brown of the Bears said before the game that watching him on film he seemed very poised and seemed more like a vet than a rookie.


:tu

[tsb2000]

Leinart is a stud, no question, and the Arizona Cardinals will eventually be successful- just not this year.

[FromWayDowntown]

In his first professional season, Dan Marino threw for 2,210 yards and 20 touchdowns. He was named NFL Rookie of the Year and he was also the first rookie to start at quarterback in the Pro Bowl.

Marino wins just by going to the super bowl.

Marino didn't go to the Super Bowl as a rookie. His rookie year was the 1983 season. Super Bowl XVIII followed the 1983 season, and the Raiders and Redskins played in that game. Marino, like Roethisberger, played in the Super Bowl as a second year player.

It's hard to compare rookie QB's because so few players ever really get the chance to be full-time starters as true rookies coming out of college, and usually when they do get that chance, it's with teams that were horrendous the season before.

If you compare players who never played and then became starters, I'm pretty certain that nobody will ever approach Kurt Warner's 1999 season. Warner had played in 1 NFL game before that season started. Brady's 2001 season would be a close second, just because he won the Super Bowl. But, of course, neither of those guys was truly a "rookie" in those circumstances.

[johnsmith]

Marino didn't go to the Super Bowl as a rookie. His rookie year was the 1983 season. Super Bowl XVIII followed the 1983 season, and the Raiders and Redskins played in that game. Marino, like Roethisberger, played in the Super Bowl as a second year player.

It's hard to compare rookie QB's because so few players ever really get the chance to be full-time starters as true rookies coming out of college, and usually when they do get that chance, it's with teams that were horrendous the season before.

If you compare players who never played and then became starters, I'm pretty certain that nobody will ever approach Kurt Warner's 1999 season. Warner had played in 1 NFL game before that season started. Brady's 2001 season would be a close second, just because he won the Super Bowl. But, of course, neither of those guys was truly a "rookie" in those circumstances.


My bad, I meant pro bowl.

[johnsmith]

Marino didn't go to the Super Bowl as a rookie. His rookie year was the 1983 season. Super Bowl XVIII followed the 1983 season, and the Raiders and Redskins played in that game. Marino, like Roethisberger, played in the Super Bowl as a second year player.

It's hard to compare rookie QB's because so few players ever really get the chance to be full-time starters as true rookies coming out of college, and usually when they do get that chance, it's with teams that were horrendous the season before.

If you compare players who never played and then became starters, I'm pretty certain that nobody will ever approach Kurt Warner's 1999 season. Warner had played in 1 NFL game before that season started. Brady's 2001 season would be a close second, just because he won the Super Bowl. But, of course, neither of those guys was truly a "rookie" in those circumstances.

Two words for you guys though, JAY CUTLER.

[Mr Dio]

he's 0-2.


:lol
Did you see that amazing 2nd half by Matt?
Once he calmed down after the 1st 2 drives he was, well, very average.

Hmmm, how many other rookie QBs have at least 1 win so far?

[johngateswhiteley]

Marino didn't go to the Super Bowl as a rookie. His rookie year was the 1983 season. Super Bowl XVIII followed the 1983 season, and the Raiders and Redskins played in that game. Marino, like Roethisberger, played in the Super Bowl as a second year player.

It's hard to compare rookie QB's because so few players ever really get the chance to be full-time starters as true rookies coming out of college, and usually when they do get that chance, it's with teams that were horrendous the season before.

If you compare players who never played and then became starters, I'm pretty certain that nobody will ever approach Kurt Warner's 1999 season. Warner had played in 1 NFL game before that season started. Brady's 2001 season would be a close second, just because he won the Super Bowl. But, of course, neither of those guys was truly a "rookie" in those circumstances.

interesting and good points. and, imo, further my (even though facetious) original claim.

[FromWayDowntown]

interesting and good points. and, imo, further my (even though facetious) original claim.

I'm not sure how any of that furthers your claim -- I frankly don't have the time or the inclination to go back and extensively review the statistics compiled by true rookie QBs over NFL history. I suspect that, in the end, there will be rookies whose numbers were better than Leinart's will end up being. I like Leinart, but I'm not sold on him being the best anything ever and I think he'll have a successful career if he just manages to make a few Pro Bowls and get his team into the playoffs a few times. I'm not sold on the fact that he's more dynamic than a Montana, Elway, Favre, Aikman, or even Kelly. He's a good prospect and has a chance to be successful. Let's leave it at that.

[FromWayDowntown]

By the way, Warner's 1999 season is still remarkable for a guy who had basically never played before in the NFL:

325-499 (65.1% completions), 4353 yards, 41 TD, 13 INT, 109.2 passer rating

[johnsmith]

Some stats:

Highest Passer Rating, Rookie, Season
98.1 Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh, 2004
96.0 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983
88.2 Greg Cook, Cincinnati, 1969

Highest Completion Percentage, Rookie, Season
66.44 Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh, 2004 (295-196)
58.45 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983 (296-173)
57.18 Byron Leftwich, Jacksonville, 2003 (418-239)

Most Yards Gained, Rookie, Season
3,739 Peyton Manning, Indianapolis, 1998
2,931 Chris Weinke, Carolina, 2001
2,833 Rick Mirer, Seattle, 1993

Highest Average Gain, Rookie, Season
9.411 Greg Cook, Cincinnati, 1969 (197-1,854)
9.409 Bob Waterfield, Cleveland, 1945 (171-1,609)
8.88 Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh, 2004 (295-2,621)

Most Touchdown Passes, Rookie, Season
26 Peyton Manning, Indianapolis, 1998
22 Charlie Conerly, N.Y. Giants, 1948
20 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983

Lowest Percentage, Passes Had Intercepted, Rookie, Season
1.98 Charlie Batch, Detroit, 1998 (303-6)
2.03 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983 (296-6)
2.10 Gary Wood, N.Y. Giants, 1964 (143-3)

[johnsmith]

By the way, Warner's 1999 season is still remarkable for a guy who had basically never played before in the NFL:

325-499 (65.1% completions), 4353 yards, 41 TD, 13 INT, 109.2 passer rating


Warner wasn't a rookie, and since this a thread regarding rookies, let's stick to that.

[FromWayDowntown]

Warner wasn't a rookie, and since this a thread regarding rookies, let's stick to that.

Fair enough. But he hadn't played before that season. My point is that the points of comparison among true rookies are difficult because there are so few true rookie QBs who play appreciable amounts of time.

I'll drop that, though.

[johnsmith]

Fair enough. But he hadn't played before that season. My point is that the points of comparison among true rookies are difficult because there are so few true rookie QBs who play appreciable amounts of time.

I'll drop that, though.


I agree, it is difficult, but by no means is it impossible.

Having said that, after looking at some rookie stats, you have to say that Big Ben may have had the best rookie year........that was surprising to me.

[Obstructed_View]

Correction:

Leinart...the Best 0-2 Rookie QB EVER After Two Games

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He'll be a great one, but he's not approaching Ben's rookie season yet.


and its only cause there are so many dumbasses on this board.

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.

[johnsmith]

He'll be a great one, but he's not approaching Ben's rookie season yet.



You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.


Let's try to avoid the "I know you are but what am I" comebacks here.

[T Park]

I love these people that are hating on Leinart "Well hes 0-2 hes nt even close to Roethlisberger"

For one, Leinart can't go out and play defense for the Cardinals

2, he runs the plays called, and the people calling the plays are drooling retards.

3. The running game, wich takes pressure off the QB, is twice what it is in Arizona, in Pittsburgh.


So you guys are being completely unfair to Leinart.

The first half of last night's game, when the Cardinal defense plays well, and the offensive play calling is decent, he showed what he can do.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

He'll regress as the season goes on...

[tlongII]

Leinart is playing well, but he should have got the job done against the Bears.

The Bears need to lose a few games so Seattle can get home field advantage!

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Don't worry, the Lions will beat the Bears.

[DarkReign]

Leinhart is a stud.

Best rookie QB ever? So far, not at all.

Best rookie QB in quite some time? No doubt about it.

[johnsmith]

Leinhart is a stud.

Best rookie QB ever? So far, not at all.

Best rookie QB in quite some time? No doubt about it.


Ummmm, go back and look at Big Ben's stats from two years ago........

Ok, now that you've done that, "Best rookie QB in quite some time? No, Big Ben was better.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Ummmm, go back and look at Big Ben's stats from two years ago........

Ok, now that you've done that, "Best rookie QB in quite some time? No, Big Ben was better.


The Steelers were 10x the team the Cards are now. Better WRs, better OL, better running game, better D, etc.

Leinart just played the top D in the league and almost won, would have if DG wasn't retarded.

Leinart is a more polished QB than Roethlisberger, two games in...

[johnsmith]

The Steelers were 10x the team the Cards are now. Better WRs, better OL, better running game, better D, etc.

Leinart just played the top D in the league and almost won, would have if DG wasn't retarded.

Leinart is a more polished QB than Roethlisberger, two games in...


Hey, I think Roethlisberger is overrated so don't get me wrong. I'm just pointing out that after looking at STATISTICS ONLY (meaning there is more to it then that) that Ben has the best rookie season perhaps ever.

[ShoogarBear]

In his first professional season, Dan Marino threw for 2,210 yards and 20 touchdowns. He was named NFL Rookie of the Year and he was also the first rookie to start at quarterback in the Pro Bowl.

Marino wins just by going to the super bowl.

I think that was his second year.

EDIT: already mentioned.

[johngateswhiteley]

Ummmm, go back and look at Big Ben's stats from two years ago........

Ok, now that you've done that, "Best rookie QB in quite some time? No, Big Ben was better.


...just b/c ben's stats were better does not make him the better rookie QB. it is clear to me, after two games, that Leinart is a better QB than ben was in his rookie season. in fact, i think Leinart is better than ben right now.

do i seriously think Leinart is the best rookie QB ever?...not really...but he has a chance to be. and if some of you cannot see how good this guy is after two games and how good he can be...then, i'm sorry, you just don't know football.

[johnsmith]

...just b/c ben's stats were better does not make him the better rookie QB. it is clear to me, after two games, that Leinart is a better QB than ben was in his rookie season. in fact, i think Leinart is better than ben right now.

do i seriously think Leinart is the best rookie QB ever?...not really...but he has a chance to be. and if some of you cannot see how good this guy is after two games and how good he can be...then, i'm sorry, you just don't know football.


No, I agree with you, Leinart has more potential to end up with one of the best rookie seasons of all time. Like I said, going strictly by stats though, as of right now, Ben has one of the best if not the best rookie season so far. Leinart is an impressive quarterback, of which I didn't really think he would be in the NFL either, shows you what I know.

[DarkReign]

Ummmm, go back and look at Big Ben's stats from two years ago........

Ok, now that you've done that, "Best rookie QB in quite some time? No, Big Ben was better.

I disagree for obvious reasons. Cards sucked before Leinhart, now theyre at least competing. Steelers owned before, during, and not-so-much after Ben. Much like Navarre (sp?) in UM, he was a product of a system. Ben is a product of a system.

Put Ben behind the Cards oline...he just might set the record for most sacks.

[johnsmith]

I disagree for obvious reasons. Cards sucked before Leinhart, now theyre at least competing. Steelers owned before, during, and not-so-much after Ben. Much like Navarre (sp?) in UM, he was a product of a system. Ben is a product of a system.

Put Ben behind the Cards oline...he just might set the record for most sacks.


Actually, the more I thought about it the more I'm inclined to agree with the Leinart being more impressive then Ben theory.

[ShoogarBear]

Just because of this thread, Leinart is going to suck big-time against the Raiders.

[johnsmith]

Just because of this thread, Leinart is going to suck big-time against the Raiders.


God I hope not, I would love to see the Raiders go winless this season.

[DarkReign]

God I hope not, I would love to see the Raiders go winless this season.

:tu

[NBA Junkie]

Sami....geez, i cannot believe you brought up tiny ben. he is a product of a great team around him. if Leinart was on the Steelers he would NEVER lose a game...

For a rookie, Roethlisberger showed tremendous poise. That's just something rookie QB's are not supposed to have. Cowher is no idiot. He must have saw something in this guy in training camp that nobody else saw. Tommy Maddux' injury in week 2 in '04 was a blessing in disguise. I don't think the Steelers team would have rallied around him like they did Ben.

In this case, his poise far outweighs the stats he put up.

This whole argument reminds me of the Terry Bradshaw-Archie Manning comparisons that were made way back when. Many believe that the Steelers would have been even better if Manning was a Steeler and Bradshaw would have been exposed as an overrated QB had he played for the woeful Saints. The problem here is that one would never know how that scenario would have played out.

[johnsmith]

For a rookie, Roethlisberger showed tremendous poise. That's just something rookie QB's are not supposed to have. Cowher is no idiot. He must have saw something in this guy in training camp that nobody else saw. Tommy Maddux' injury in week 2 in '04 was a blessing in disguise. I don't think the Steelers team would have rallied around him like they did Ben.

In this case, his poise far outweighs the stats he put up.

This whole argument reminds me of the Terry Bradshaw-Archie Manning comparisons that were made way back when. Many believe that the Steelers would have been even better if Manning was a Steeler and Bradshaw would have been exposed as an overrated QB had he played for the woeful Saints. The problem here is that one would never know how that scenario would have played out.


I love old school football talk. I wish I was around for when players didn't smoke crack, beat their wives, shoot guns at people, attempt suicides, yell at their coaches, speak in public, etc.

[samikeyp]

I love old school football talk. I wish I was around for when players didn't smoke crack, beat their wives, shoot guns at people, attempt suicides, yell at their coaches, speak in public, etc.

I agree....while they did have their problems, they also had respect for their opponents, sportsmanship and they settled things on the field, unlike a lot of players and, sadly, fans today.

[mookie2001]

what JGW is saying is that Leinart is SO good, he doesnt have to win

[Obstructed_View]

Leinart and Young both look like starting NFL quarterbacks to me. I wasn't sure either of them could do it, certainly not this early.

[johngateswhiteley]

For a rookie, Roethlisberger showed tremendous poise. That's just something rookie QB's are not supposed to have. Cowher is no idiot. He must have saw something in this guy in training camp that nobody else saw. Tommy Maddux' injury in week 2 in '04 was a blessing in disguise. I don't think the Steelers team would have rallied around him like they did Ben.

In this case, his poise far outweighs the stats he put up.

This whole argument reminds me of the Terry Bradshaw-Archie Manning comparisons that were made way back when. Many believe that the Steelers would have been even better if Manning was a Steeler and Bradshaw would have been exposed as an overrated QB had he played for the woeful Saints. The problem here is that one would never know how that scenario would have played out.

i did not think ben was all that impressive though. did he manage the game well....i guess so.

his rookie year:

attempts per game: 21
TDs: 17
INTs: 11
comp %: 66.4
rushing TD: 1
fumble lost: 1

few things stand out, his TDs are low b/c Pitts is a running team, his attempts are low b/c Pitts is a running team, his INTs are high as a ratio, and he had one rushing TD. >>>big freaking deal. the media got all over his nuts, and in turn fans, bought into (same old story of media molding opinion) just b/c the team was winning. well, he really had nothing to do with it. there are a pluthera of backup QBs in the league that could have done the same thing. Hell, Charlie Batch has still been the most impressive steelers QB this year.

Leinart's line and team are not nearly as good, he is throwing the ball much much more, and when there is more chances taken there is the possibility of more mistakes. frankly, if Leinart continues his current play and improves some each week...the ben comparison is not even close.

and maybe the most helpful argument to Leinart's case...Warner was horrible in three straight games, he could not do anything. Leinart comes in, and the team is competitive...save for the coaching mistakes.

[ShoogarBear]

:smokin

[BUMP]

i saw who the poster who made the thread was and then i stopped reading

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

i saw who the poster who made the thread was and then i stopped reading

why? coz you feel inadequate? :fro

[mikejones99]

Because a bad team crushed the average rookie QB

[johngateswhiteley]

why? coz you feel inadequate? :fro

lol. yep, looks like Leinart had a bad game...for once. i did not see it, though, maybe he did not have time to throw? not to mention this game was after a monumental collapse.

maybe someone who saw the game can comment, i was out of town this weekend.

[yavozerb]

i did not think ben was all that impressive though. did he manage the game well....i guess so.

his rookie year:

attempts per game: 21
TDs: 17
INTs: 11
comp %: 66.4
rushing TD: 1
fumble lost: 1

few things stand out, his TDs are low b/c Pitts is a running team, his attempts are low b/c Pitts is a running team, his INTs are high as a ratio, and he had one rushing TD. >>>big freaking deal. the media got all over his nuts, and in turn fans, bought into (same old story of media molding opinion) just b/c the team was winning. well, he really had nothing to do with it. there are a pluthera of backup QBs in the league that could have done the same thing. Hell, Charlie Batch has still been the most impressive steelers QB this year.

Leinart's line and team are not nearly as good, he is throwing the ball much much more, and when there is more chances taken there is the possibility of more mistakes. frankly, if Leinart continues his current play and improves some each week...the ben comparison is not even close.

and maybe the most helpful argument to Leinart's case...Warner was horrible in three straight games, he could not do anything. Leinart comes in, and the team is competitive...save for the coaching mistakes.
Don't be angry since Vince is doing much more with the Titans and they have about half the talent on their team!!

[Mr Dio]

Just because of this thread, Leinart is going to suck big-time against the Raiders.

Sweet as Shooga? :lol

[johnsmith]

Don't be angry since Vince is doing much more with the Titans and they have about half the talent on their team!!


Sorry chief, you ruined your credibility when you stated that the Broncos wouldn't be able to beat a team like the Patriots when in reality, they had already beaten the Patriots.
Having an opinion and being wrong about your opinion is no big deal, it happens to everyone, "that's why they play the games", however, having an opinion when there is clear and direct evidence that you are wrong and the evidence is only 4 weeks old and proves you aren't keeping up with the very sports you claim to care about is a totally different thing.

So keep it up "sports guru". Or again, should I call you Chuck Parker?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'd like to be the first person from SpursTalk to welcome Cole Leinart to the world.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=77433

Matt Leinart misses practice for birth of son
By Darren Urban, Tribune

October 25, 2006

Cardinals starting quarterback Matt Leinart was absent at practice Wednesday because of the birth of his son, named Cole, Tuesday night in California.

Leinart, who is coming off the worst of his three starts last Sunday in Oakland, is expected to return to Arizona this evening and be at practice Thursday.

The Cardinals travel to Green Bay this weekend and then have a bye weekend after that.

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What the article fails to mention is that the Oakland Raiders have already sacked Matt's kid three times since his birth.

[ShoogarBear]

I thought Leinart was playing nookie with Paris Hilton or some such.

(No points for saying "who isn't?")

[johngateswhiteley]

wow. i suppose he'll dedicate this next game to the birth of his son and throw for 300+ yards and 4 TDs.

Congrats Matty!

[mikejones99]

stupid bitch shoulda got abortion, this gonna cost him millions

[johngateswhiteley]

stupid bitch shoulda got abortion, this gonna cost him millions

lets not jump to conclusions. could be a) his girlfriend/fiance b) maybe a mistake

...either way gossip is unreliable, at best. and so is most of what the media reports.

[Burn531]

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/usc/sports/w-baskbl/auto_headshot/319306.jpeg
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/usc/sports/w-baskbl/auto_action/87350.jpeg

:hitit:

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

lets not jump to conclusions. could be a) his girlfriend/fiance b) maybe a mistake

...either way gossip is unreliable, at best. and so is most of what the media reports.

What is there to dispute? It was some girl from the USC basketball team that he had been dating for awhile and she got pregnant and decided to keep the baby.

[johngateswhiteley]

What is there to dispute? It was some girl from the USC basketball team that he had been dating for awhile and she got pregnant and decided to keep the baby.

...i don't keep up with all that stuff, though i do remember hearing that he dated a girl from SC. either way, whatever, i wish him and his "family" the best!

[ShoogarBear]

There goes her WNBA career.

[johngateswhiteley]

most yards ever thrown by a rookie QB in a game...405, albeit in a loss. i think Arizona has some great weapons, but you just can't win when your lines are sub par.

[Whisky Dog]

HAHAHAHA

[Inside Whisenhunt's head]... damn, damn, damn. That suck ass bitch Leinart can't throw the damn ball down the field and can't even run the hurry up offense for shit!! What the fuck do I have to do to get this hurry up run correctly?


[Whisenhunt yells to team]... Warner, you're in!!







HAHAHA, Leinart sucks so much ass it's so very funny

[midgetonadonkey]

Fantastic bump. :lmao

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Imagine how sick and disgusting the Cards would be if Young was on that team and he had that type of talent. OMG that would be just sick! Young>>>>>>>>>>>pretty boy Leinart in NCAA and in NFL it isnt even close. Imagine how shitty the titans would be if Leinart replaced Young. Talks of Jeff Fisher getting fired, and constant lottery seasons would be the outcome of that.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Can you imagine this stinky pussy entering the NFL and thinking how good he was because he has 400 pound simoan linemen protecting him in college?
"Oh, wait, you mean I'm not automatically entitled to the most dominant offensive line in the league?"

sperms i saiddd

[word]

I was watching NFL network breakdown and the analysts were saying he can't seem to break the 'happy feet' and eyeing his recievers habit.

[atxrocker]

Fantastic bump. :lmao

[ShoogarBear]

He named his son Cole. Good name for a QB.

[peewee's lovechild]

Colt would have been cool.

[ShoogarBear]

Dammit, I screwed that up. :madrun