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BIG IRISH
10-20-2006, 05:50 AM
General admits campaign to curb violence in Baghdad has failed
By Nancy A. Youssef

HADI MIZBAN / AP

U.S. troops arrive at a neighborhood in central Baghdad after bombs exploded in a pair of parked cars. Violence between Sunnis and Shiites in the city has reached unprecedented levels.

BAGHDAD, Iraq — The U.S.-led campaign to curb violence neighborhood by neighborhood in Baghdad has failed and American officials are looking for a new strategy, a top U.S. military official said Thursday.

Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said that instead of quelling violence, the campaign, code-named Operation Forward Together, had contributed to a spike in U.S. military deaths.

"The violence is indeed disheartening," he said.

The operation "has not met our overall expectations of sustaining a reduction in the levels of violence," said Caldwell, who sounded despondent when he spoke of the U.S. deaths. "We are working very closely with the government of Iraq to determine how best to refocus our efforts."

In Washington, Lt. Col. Mark Ballesteros, a Pentagon spokesman, called Caldwell's assessment "accurate and candid."

Caldwell's comments, which came during his weekly briefing for reporters here, were a rare public admission that an American strategy in Iraq hasn't worked. They came as Republicans and Democrats in Washington, D.C., are pressing the Bush administration to devise a new approach. Polls have shown that Iraq is the No. 1 issue among U.S. voters less than three weeks before congressional elections.

Bush administration policy has been built on two assumptions: that American troops would be able to shed some security responsibilities as the numbers of trained Iraqi police officers and soldiers grew, and that the elected government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki would be able to assert control over Shiite Muslim militias aligned with its political supporters.

Neither assumption has proved true. Violence has continued to surge, even as tens of thousands of U.S.-trained police officers and soldiers have been added to the Iraqi security forces, and al-Maliki's government has yet to present a program to disarm the militias.

Operation Forward Together was considered a last-ditch effort to tame Baghdad, where violence between Sunni and Shiite Muslims has reached unprecedented levels.

The plan involved pulling 12,000 American soldiers from elsewhere in Iraq, then teaming them with Iraqi troops to go door to door in Baghdad's most troubled neighborhoods and root out armed groups. The neighborhoods were then to be the focus of economic-development campaigns.


Shortly after the operation began Aug. 7, Caldwell hailed it, saying Baghdad's murder rate had dropped 52 percent. But statistics from the Baghdad morgue suggested a much smaller decrease in violent deaths.

Baghdad police reported that 27 bodies were found around the city Thursday, 11 in neighborhoods originally targeted in the security plan.

The number of U.S. soldiers and Marines killed in Baghdad has skyrocketed, and October is on course to be the third-deadliest month for American service members since Saddam Hussein was toppled in April 2003.

U.S. officials announced the deaths of two more soldiers and a Marine on Thursday, bringing the death toll this month to 73.

Caldwell said U.S. officials were reassessing the assumptions they'd made before implementing the Baghdad security plan.

"We're asking ourselves if the conditions under which it was first devised and planned still exist today, or have the conditions changed and therefore a modification to that plan needs to be made," he said.

Caldwell said "there is no question" that sectarian violence has increased in the neighborhoods that were swept.

"We find the insurgent elements — the extremists — are in fact punching back hard. They're trying to get back into those areas," he said.

Caldwell didn't say how American officials might adjust their plans. But he said U.S. troops were re-entering the southern Baghdad neighborhood of Dora, one of the capital's most violent areas. Dora was among the first neighborhoods swept, and it's now the site of daily discoveries of bodies bearing signs of torture.

Caldwell said there was a 22 percent increase in violent incidents during the first three weeks of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month, compared with the previous three weeks. He didn't specify how the military compiled its numbers, and it's unclear how reliable they are. American officials have released several statistics during the past month that have later proved to be inaccurate.

U.S. pronouncements about other Iraqi developments also have been subsequently contradicted.

American officials said earlier this week that the al-Maliki government had transferred two Ministry of Interior commanders who had been linked to possible death-squad police units. But when ministry officials announced that the commanders were being transferred, they called the moves promotions.
:dramaquee
"The commanders are very cherished by the minister and are appreciated for serving the great Iraq, and they will still be in the ministry," ministry spokesman Abdul Kareem Khalif said.
:wakeup
Caldwell conceded that al-Maliki had ordered U.S. officials to release Sheik Mazin al-Saidy, a top leader aligned with Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose Mahdi Army militia is thought to be responsible for much of the sectarian killings. Caldwell wouldn't say why. :wtf :wtf :wtf
:nope :bang DAN, BOUTONS, Anyone :hungry:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003313831_iraq20.html

boutons_
10-20-2006, 06:23 AM
see the God/rummy thread.

Iraq is lost, is not winnable.

Now the USA, the world is really in deep, deep shit for many years.

The Europeans lost the Crusades, and the Muslims are beating us again in this "Holy" War.

Saddam in power and Iraq a stable, militarily nailed-down country would be 1000 times better than the terrorist snake pit that dubya/dickhead/rummy have created.

clambake
10-20-2006, 10:36 AM
Just keep it on fox news and everythings peachy. I thought they had reporters on the ground. Pay no attention to Amara.

Bush backs Al-Sadr? He THINKS Saddam is a terrorist and replaces him with a KNOWN terrorist. Bush just had to have his own Vietnam.

Ocotillo
10-20-2006, 02:00 PM
Maj. Gen. William Caldwell

Friggin' cut n run sissy.

boutons_
10-20-2006, 03:14 PM
The WH reaching out for Baker and other inputs is a clear signal that the WH knows the game is up.

The USA is defeated.
The USA's enemies will be even more encouraged than they are now.
The Great Satan got its butt beat in Iraq.
dubya gives the jihadists yet another screaming recruiting poster.

The WH has failed in Iraq in every possible way, starting with lying its way into Iraq. A winning strategy (overwhelmingl power) was absent from the beginning because the how Iraq could go wrong was not take seriously, just as the WH refused to take seriously the threats of Jun-Sep 2001 and passively, negligently allowed OBL to hit WTC.

Then the makeshift strategies to salvage and stablize Iraq haven't worked, meaning the strategist, Rummy, is roadkill, after the elections, and after Baker present his new strategy, which of course Rummy will be expected to administer.

No Rummy means that dubya/dickhead will be the main targets of heat about Iraq.

The only issue remaining is how and when to get out.

Once the US is out and the dust settles down in Iraq, it sure sounds like Iran and Syria will go after Israel.

What Iran tests the waters by first invading Jordan, hated, long-time ally of the USA? The USA will fight for Israel, but will the USA fight for Jordan?

... and that's just the beginning.

temujin
10-20-2006, 04:05 PM
see the God/rummy thread.

Iraq is lost, is not winnable.

Never was.

Now the USA, the world is really in deep, deep shit for many years.

The words USA and World do NOT coincide. Amazing as it might seems.

The Europeans lost the Crusades,

Historically wrong.

and the Muslims are beating us again in this "Holy" War.

It's actually worst than that, because the war is not looseable either.


Saddam in power and Iraq a stable, militarily nailed-down country would be 1000 times better than the terrorist snake pit that dubya/dickhead/rummy have created.

Indeed.
The real-real problem is that it didn't take a genius to realize that.

temujin
10-20-2006, 04:09 PM
The only issue remaining is how and when to get out.

Once the US is out and the dust settles down in Iraq, it sure sounds like Iran and Syria will go after Israel.

Why should they?

What Iran tests the waters by first invading Jordan, hated, long-time ally of the USA? The USA will fight for Israel, but will the USA fight for Jordan?

... and that's just the beginning.

temujin
10-20-2006, 04:10 PM
Just keep it on fox news and everythings peachy. I thought they had reporters on the ground. Pay no attention to Amara.

Bush backs Al-Sadr? He THINKS Saddam is a terrorist and replaces him with a KNOWN terrorist. Bush just had to have his own Vietnam.

Having duly missed one.

temujin
10-20-2006, 04:12 PM
i don't see why we didn't put enough boots on the ground...i though our freedoms were at stake

Incredible as it might seem, there is life -and freedom- above 10mpg.
Even 40 mpg.

Nbadan
10-20-2006, 04:19 PM
The President's, super-dopper secret plan for ending the war in Iraq? Cut and Run with any other name.

We've lost battle for Baghdad, US admits

· President concedes war may be at turning point
· Mounting death toll brings comparison with Vietnam

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Friday October 20, 2006
The Guardian


A day after George Bush conceded for the first time that America may have reached the equivalent of a Tet offensive in Iraq, the Pentagon yesterday admitted defeat in its strategy of securing Baghdad.

The admission from President Bush that the US may have arrived at a turning point in this war - the Tet offensive led to a massive loss of confidence in the American presence in Vietnam - comes during one of the deadliest months for US forces since the invasion.

Yesterday the number of US troops killed since October 1 rose to 73, deepening the sense that America is trapped in an unwinnable situation and further damaging Republican chances in midterm elections that are less than three weeks away.

In Baghdad a surge in sectarian killings has forced the Pentagon to review its entire security plan for the capital, Major General William Caldwell, a US military spokesman, said yesterday.

"The violence is, indeed, disheartening," he told reporters. The US has poured 12,000 additional US and Iraqi troops into Baghdad since August only to see a 22% increase in attacks since the beginning of Ramadan.

"Operation Together Forward has made a difference in the focus areas but has not met our overall expectations in sustaining a reduction in the level of violence," Gen Caldwell said.

The bleak assessment arrives as official thinking appears to be shifting on the war, with reports that a study group led by a Bush family loyalist and former secretary of state, James Baker, could be drawing up an exit plan for US forces in Iraq.

Such a strategy would once have been unthinkable for Mr Bush, who famously vowed to keep US forces in Iraq even if he was supported only by his wife, Laura, and dog, Barney.

But the president now appears willing to acknowledge that the public is losing confidence in his administration's involvement in Iraq.

On Wednesday Mr Bush admitted for the first time the existence of a parallel between Iraq and Vietnam.

Such comparisons had been fiercely resisted by the White House, which has insisted that the US would succeed in bringing stability to Iraq and democracy to the Middle East.

But Mr Bush appeared to agree that the rise in sectarian killings in Iraq could prove as demoralising to his administration's mission in Iraq as the Tet offensive of 1968-69. Although that offensive resulted in a military defeat for the North Vietnamese forces, it turned American public opinion against the war and the then American president, Lyndon Johnson.

"There is certainly a stepped-up level of violence, and we are heading towards an election," Mr Bush said during an interview with ABC television.

He said he understood the insurgents were trying to drive American forces out of Iraq. "My feeling is that they all along have been trying to inflict enough damage so that we leave," he said.

While Mr Bush now readily acknowledges the potentially demoralising effects of the violence, there was no sign yesterday that the White House had reached the same conclusion as critics who have called for an early withdrawal of US forces from Iraq.

"The president was making a point that he's made before, which is that terrorists try to exploit pictures and try to use the media as conduits for influencing public opinion in the United States," the White House press secretary, Tony Snow, told reporters yesterday.

He also rejected any comparison between Mr Bush and President Johnson.

"The important thing to remember is that the president is determined it's not going to happen with Iraq, because you have a president who is determined to win," he said.

"We do not think that there has been a flip-over point, but more importantly, from the standpoint of the government and the standpoint of this administration, we are going to continue pursuing victory aggressively."

Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1926809,00.html)

Too bad for the American people that wing-nut radio, no doubt under the guidance of Karl Rove, would rather talk about illegal aliens than talk about U.S. troops, brothers, sisters, cousins, and friends, dieing needlessly everyday in IRaq when the President's final plan will amount to cut and run.

Nbadan
10-20-2006, 04:34 PM
Insurgents are having victory parades less than a mile from U.S. bases...

Insurgents stage defiant parades in string of towns west of Baghdad


(Baghdad, Iraq-AP, Oct. 20, 2006 2:15 PM) _ Al-Qaida-linked gunmen staged military-like parades Friday in a string of towns west of Baghdad, underlining the growing confidence of Sunni insurgents in a part of Iraq where U.S. and Iraqi forces maintain a heavy counterinsurgency presence.

Like the audacious show of force by up to 60 insurgents in the city of Ramadi on Wednesday, the latest parades -- including two less than a mile from U.S. military bases -- were staged in support of an announcement this week by a militant Sunni Arab group that it had created an Islamic state in six of Iraq's 18 provinces, including the capital, Baghdad.

...

Significantly, two of Friday's four parades -- involving dozens of gunmen in the towns of Haditha and Haqlaniyah -- took place less a mile from U.S. military bases, according to witnesses. There were no reports of clashes.

Besides Haditha and Haqlaniyah, parades were also held in the towns of Bani Daher and Rwah, all of which are in Anbar, a vast and mostly desert province where the Sunni insurgency has been fiercest since Saddam Hussein's ouster in 2003. Ramadi is Anbar's provincial capital.

WTNH (http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=5567605&nav=3YeX)

I wonder if there were flowers and candy?

01Snake
10-20-2006, 04:39 PM
I'm sure if the US killed them all you would be crying that we killed a bunch of Iraqi civilians.

clambake
10-20-2006, 04:40 PM
I feel bad for Caldwell. You know his briefings are carefully worded for him.

BIG IRISH
10-21-2006, 04:59 AM
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/galloway/15798964.htm More News:

Joe Galloway | October 19, 2006
Vice President Dick Cheney this week delivered his opinion of how the Iraqi government is doing: "If you look at the general overall situation, they're doing remarkably well."
This from the sagacious leader who a year ago declared that the Iraqi insurgents were "in the last throes" of their struggle. Some last throes.

This in a week when the bodies of Iraqis slaughtered in sectarian violence were clogging the morgues of Baghdad and Balad and the Interior Ministry announced that it was firing 3,000 special police on corruption and other charges.

This as 73 Americans have been killed in Iraq in the first 18 days of October. That makes this one of the deadliest months for our soldiers and Marines in the three and a half years of war in Iraq and brings the total to 2,785 dead and more than 22,000 wounded.

The Iraqi government stands by silently as private militias with ties to various members of that government, or to Iran, roam the streets killing anyone with the wrong name and taking potshots at the American soldiers trying to restore order.

When the Iraqi premier visited Washington, President Bush, far from turning up the heat on him, declared that he fully supported him and his government, and added that he had no intention of cutting back the commitment of U.S. troops.

Even the U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad conceded Thursday that the Iraqi government that Bush supports and Cheney thinks is "doing remarkably well" hasn't succeeded in stemming the sectarian murders that have made Iraq's capital the center of slaughter instead of governance.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told a television audience that the United States should send an additional 100,000 troops to Iraq and ought to obtain that force by increasing strength of the Army and Marines by the same number, 100,000.

The news from Afghanistan is equally grim: The Taliban are operating in the south in battalion-size elements against an understrength Afghan army of only 30,000. Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters take shelter in parts of Pakistan that aren't controlled by the central government. NATO has taken over command of the border fight and is already begging member governments for reinforcements.

The president's answer to metastatic terrorism this week was to sign a bill reinstating military tribunals to try suspects vacuumed up in the worldwide war against terror; suspending habeas corpus for defendants being given drumhead courts-martial in Guantanamo; and permitting and excusing so-called "alternative methods" of interrogation.

By confusing and conflating the war in Iraq with the global fight against terrorism, Bush, Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld have created with their mistakes and misjudgments an ever-growing jihad against our troops and our interests.

In the wake of 9/11, Bush declared that there was an "axis of evil" -- Iraq, Iran and North Korea -- loose in the world and said that he intended to deal with them.

He chose to deal with the weakest and least threatening of the three evils, Iraq, and then got our forces bogged down in the middle of a civil war that threatens to shake that country apart and drown it in blood.

With our military unable to muster more than two or three brigades -- fewer than 10,000 troops -- to deal with any other firefights that erupt elsewhere, we have few options to deal with the other two evils. Iran is working hard to build nuclear weapons, and North Korea has tested one and threatens to test several more.

If all of this is good news to Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, I'd hate to see their definition of bad news.

Faced with all of this, plus various ethics scandals wafting off Capitol Hill, the electorate seems more than a little angry with a Republican Congress that seemingly has delivered nothing that wasn't intended to benefit them or their party.

With less than three weeks to Election Day, the polls are grim for Republicans and the Bush administration. Nevertheless, Bush and political spinmeister Karl Rove pronounced themselves as confident that Republicans would maintain control of both houses of Congress as Cheney is that the Iraqi government is doing remarkably well.

Barring an October surprise, and time for that is fleeting, we can only wonder what sort of exotic cheroots our leaders are smoking
Unlike Bill Clinton, I think these guy are enhaling :rolleyes .