Rush Limbaugh say Michael J. Fox is "acting" out his Parkinson's symptoms

[PixelPusher]

...just in case anyone forgot that pill-popping douchebag is still on the radio. (click on the link to hear Limbaugh's audio clip and watch the Fox ad)



Rush Limbaugh attacks Michael J. Fox: ” …he was either off the medication or he was acting. He is an actor, after all.” (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/23/rush-limbaugh-attacks-michael-j-fox-he-was-either-off-the-medication-or-he-was-acting-he-is-an-actor-after-all/)

By: John Amato on Monday, October 23rd, 2006 at 12:33 PM - PDT

Rush Limbaugh will say anything to attack anyone who challenges George Bush and his policies. This time, his target is Michael J. Fox. Meds are something Rush does have a little experience with.

Emailer Doug: Rush Limbaugh today accused Michael J. Fox, actor and Parkinson's Disease victim, of deliberately going off of his meds to appear on camera with exaggerated symptoms of his disease for dramatic effect. Fox appeared in a recent Clair McHaskill (D-MO) Senate campaign ad, touting the need for stem cell research. Limbaugh even goes so far as to accuse Fox of faking his symptoms all together.


Audio-MP3 (http://movies.crooksandliars.com/rush-mjfox.mp3)

"I stated when I saw the ad, I was commenting to you about it, that he was either off the medication or he was acting. He is an actor, after all."

These emails claim Fox has admitted in interviews that he goes off his medication." A tireless search of the Internet produces no such record of any interview, or any statement in which Fox has ever admitted or even suggested that he ever goes off his Parkinson's treatment at all, let alone for the purposes of shaking it up for the television audience.

Despicable, just despicable. Yes Doug, it is despicable.

Here's the ad Limbaugh was talking about.

(link to Youtube video)

the chorea that Michael J Fox has in that ad comes from chronic use of dopamine agonists in the context of Parkinson's. They're movements from the medicine, not the disease itself. Although he might have odd movements OFF of his meds, they wouldn't look like the ones in the ad. They'd look like the Parkinson's-like presentation of Muhammed Ali's Dementia Pugilistica.

In addition, those movements are hard to imitate accurately because they stem from circuits between the basal ganglia and cortex that you can't just turn off or on. Those aren't volitional circuits. There is little chance he was acting, and if he was, he could only accentuate slightly movementse already had. In other words, this is as tragic as it looks.

[CubanMustGo]

Well, if there's one thing Lush knows about, it's medications.

[midgetonadonkey]

haha That statement is so fucked up it's funny.

[SA210]

Michael J. Fox is awesome. I feel bad for him. He was great in Casualties of War, and it was one of the most underrated films ever made.

So sad Limbaugh would attack him like this.
Rush should stick to what he does best, drugs.

[ChumpDumper]

I actually heard Rush's show as the radio was still on 1200 from listening to the Spurs game the night before. rush tripped all over himself saying he didn't blame Fox for going off his meds for commercials to show what Parkinson's does but at the same time thought it was "unseemly" of Fox to do so in a commercial that supports a pro-stem cell research candidate. Well, which is it Rush?

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

Is Rush's housekeeper still serving time for his little indiscretion a few years back?

[ChumpDumper]

There's no need to attack Rush on this one -- his argument is fatally flawed from the outset.

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

There's no need to attack Rush on this one -- his argument is fatally flawed from the outset.

True......but he just lends himself out to be a target of ridicule.
He can't help it. It's just part of his personna.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, all anyone really has to do is Google "Rush Limbaugh viagra Dominican Republic" to blow this guy to bits -- figuratively speaking, of course.

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

Wasn't he allegedly going deaf a few years back?
How is it he's still able to do his show?
Perhaps he just can't HEAR how idiotic he sounds.
"Talent on loan from god" indeed!
:lmao

[CuckingFunt]

I think it was determined that it wasn't really imperative to the quality of his show that he be able to actually hear the callers.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think it was Paul Krugman who wrote that "Hush shadow boxes with soundbites".. The thought of this is hilarious but so true...

[RandomGuy]

Every time I think his jackassery can't possibly get any worse, Rush does something to top it.

Too bad for him that his audience of old people might actually know something about what he speaks.

[CubanMustGo]

There's no need to attack Rush on this one -- his argument is fatally flawed from the outset.

What else is new?

[Kermit]

that was a damn fine acting performance if you ask me.

[Ocotillo]

Typical of these highly partisan extremist on the right.

Fox appears in commericials because of an issue that is near and dear to his heart for obvious reasons. Limbaugh rather than counter the argument of why Fox's position is incorrect, choose to smear Fox by questioning his integrity. By getting into a political race, one has to expect people to passionately disagree with them on the issue(s). One should not be subjected to personal smears from opponents.

Michael Shaivo has made campaign appearances and advocated his position regarding right to die issues. The right wing ghouls came out in force and attacked his character with vicious lies. When it came to Shaivo, very little was said about his stand on the issue, his character was questioned.

The 9-11 widows, some became active politically calling for the creation of the 9-11 Commission and being critical of the administration. One can disagree with the postions they take and articulate and argument in that fashion and it would be good and proper. Ann Coulter choose the path of personal attack and smear.

It's a pattern for the right wing, at least the extremist element of the right wing. Ethics and morality have no place in their belief system as they believe they are correct and that trumps common decency. How else can you explain it? Each of the above three examples could be debated on the merits of the issues but the Coutlers, Limbaughs and Hannitys choose slander rather than making an argument.

They are a loathsome lot and what is sad is they do hold sway within the power structure that controls this country. They speak for the people who control the Republican party these days. Not all Republicans but they have siezed control of party and will fight to the death to keep it.

[SA210]

Typical of these highly partisan extremist on the right.

Fox appears in commericials because of an issue that is near and dear to his heart for obvious reasons. Limbaugh rather than counter the argument of why Fox's position is incorrect, choose to smear Fox by questioning his integrity. By getting into a political race, one has to expect people to passionately disagree with them on the issue(s). One should not be subjected to personal smears from opponents.

Michael Shaivo has made campaign appearances and advocated his position regarding right to die issues. The right wing ghouls came out in force and attacked his character with vicious lies. When it came to Shaivo, very little was said about his stand on the issue, his character was questioned.

The 9-11 widows, some became active politically calling for the creation of the 9-11 Commission and being critical of the administration. One can disagree with the postions they take and articulate and argument in that fashion and it would be good and proper. Ann Coulter choose the path of personal attack and smear.

It's a pattern for the right wing, at least the extremist element of the right wing. Ethics and morality have no place in their belief system as they believe they are correct and that trumps common decency. How else can you explain it? Each of the above three examples could be debated on the merits of the issues but the Coutlers, Limbaughs and Hannitys choose slander rather than making an argument.

They are a loathsome lot and what is sad is they do hold sway within the power structure that controls this country. They speak for the people who control the Republican party these days. Not all Republicans but they have siezed control of party and will fight to the death to keep it.
Awesome post. :clap

[boutons_]

"but the Coutlers, Limbaughs and Hannitys choose slander rather than making an argument."

Don't blame these assholes exclusively, they are only doing their jobs, and making lots of $$ doing it (don't ever think they are pure of heart and not $$$ motivated) of pandering to the nastiness, incivility, and meanness in the sheeple who listen to them and vote Repug, ie, the Repug base.

Same with assholes like Hannity, O'Reilly, Pat Robertson, Hagee, and radical religious "nutcases for Christ".

The Repugs are the way they are, uncivil bastards, because that's how the radical right and radical religious nutters, their base, wants them to be.

The Atwater/Rove slime machine and negative campaigning are used because they works. Blame The Great American Sheeple directly for that. The sheeple elect the leaders they deserve.

The media/religious types don't cause this shit, they simply reflect the shit in the sheeple who make them popular.

[101A]

Typical of these highly partisan extremist on the right.

Fox appears in commericials because of an issue that is near and dear to his heart for obvious reasons. Limbaugh rather than counter the argument of why Fox's position is incorrect, choose to smear Fox by questioning his integrity. By getting into a political race, one has to expect people to passionately disagree with them on the issue(s). One should not be subjected to personal smears from opponents.

Michael Shaivo has made campaign appearances and advocated his position regarding right to die issues. The right wing ghouls came out in force and attacked his character with vicious lies. When it came to Shaivo, very little was said about his stand on the issue, his character was questioned.

The 9-11 widows, some became active politically calling for the creation of the 9-11 Commission and being critical of the administration. One can disagree with the postions they take and articulate and argument in that fashion and it would be good and proper. Ann Coulter choose the path of personal attack and smear.

It's a pattern for the right wing, at least the extremist element of the right wing. Ethics and morality have no place in their belief system as they believe they are correct and that trumps common decency. How else can you explain it? Each of the above three examples could be debated on the merits of the issues but the Coutlers, Limbaughs and Hannitys choose slander rather than making an argument.

They are a loathsome lot and what is sad is they do hold sway within the power structure that controls this country. They speak for the people who control the Republican party these days. Not all Republicans but they have siezed control of party and will fight to the death to keep it.

Astute post, and accurate portrayals of reactions those on the right have had; however the bahaviour is not limited to conservatives.

As a conservative it has been impossible to debate certain social programs, regulations, practicies, etc...without getting labeled.

Oppose Affirmitive Actions = Be labeled a racist

Oppose Gay Marrieage = Homophobe

Favor privitization of Social Security = Want Old people dying in the street

A conservatives positions on welfare, taxation and a myriad other issues are often not debated on merits - the conservative simply gets labeled by the left.

[xrayzebra]

You interject yourself in the political process, like Fox,
and you make yourself fair game. He admits he goes
off his meds to show people the bad stuff about his
illness......

By the way when did he get his American citizenship?
He was Canadian last I heard. But calls himself an
American in the TV ads.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Now Hush is complaining that the ad is misleading and politicizing the issue? :wtf

[Ocotillo]

Indeed there are exaggerations on both sides as you allude to in your post.

What is unique or different from the three instances I cited in my previous post is non-career politicians (and somewhat sympathetic individuals) take a stand related to a personal loss in their lives and are assailed by a machine from the opposite side of the issue via a personal attack rather than debating the issue.

That is different from a liberal politician advocating government funded healthcare and being characterized a "socialist" from those who disagree with him/her. That is in the vein you cite about affirmative action, etc.....

Fox, Shaivo and the Jersey Girls are typically not involved in politics at least to the extent that they are for their personal issue. They are not unlike John Walsh who became involved because of a personal tragedy.

If one disagreed with Walsh, the equivalent would be to accuse him of using his advocacy for personal gain rather than the emotional tie he has to the issue. This would be a personal attack rather than an honest debate of the issue.

The other thing is in the three instances I cite, representatives of the public voice of the far right are mouthing them. This innoculates the elected representatives from making such accusations themselves yet benefits them should they "work". If people are outraged and react negatively, most of the scorn goes to the unelected radio host (or columnist). Rather ingeneous, just terribly distasteful.

[ChumpDumper]

He admits he goes
off his meds to show people the bad stuff about his
illness......No one has produced such an interview.

[ChumpDumper]

By the way when did he get his American citizenship?
He was Canadian last I heard. But calls himself an
American in the TV ads.He became a citizen six years ago.

If he was Canadian, it didn't stop Arlen Specter from taking money from him.

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Michael_J_Fox.php

[Ocotillo]

You interject yourself in the political process, like Fox,
and you make yourself fair game. He admits he goes
off his meds to show people the bad stuff about his
illness......

By the way when did he get his American citizenship?
He was Canadian last I heard. But calls himself an
American in the TV ads.

For personal attack and smear? I know that is how the right likes to work. Is their stand on the issue(s) so weak that they need to change the subject to personal attack? In this nation of ours one does have the right to free speech and should a political mouthpiece such as Limbaugh make distasteful statements like that he is protected (as he should be) by the constitution. Just as Fox has a right to his opinion and would not find it unreasonable for those who disagree with his opinion should have a right to articulate that. If however, one goes beyond disagreeing to slandering an individual for taking a political stand, it is incumbent upon us to call a spade a spade when that is done.

Limbaugh is threatened by Fox making this commercial and appealing people's emotion. He uses his forum to discredit the messenger rather than dispute the stand on the issue. He is wrong for this.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Now Hush just said the Dems like to scare people in order to g et them to vote? Of course as another terror alert has been raised on the screen behind him..

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

Now Hush just said the Dems like to scare people in order to get them to vote? Of course as another terror alert has been raised on the screen behind him..

PLEASE tell me he didn't really say this!?!?!?!
If that's not the ultimate example of the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is!

[George Gervin's Afro]

PLEASE tell me he didn't really say this!?!?!?!
If that's not the ultimate example of the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is!


People like Hush and Whannity are such blatant hypocrites they do not realize what they are saying. Example A. Whannity whored the " Kerry voted for the 87 billion before he voted against it"... He never played the remianing portion of Kerry's statement and continually repeated that over and over... Trent Lott made comments that cost him his leadership position and Whannity made the case that his words were taken out of context. Whannity went through great lengths in setting up the scenario of where Lott was, who he was speaking to ,and why he said what he said... Whannity always likes to put into context some Republican comments ..yet he never does the same things for dems..

[RandomGuy]

You interject yourself in the political process, like Fox,
and you make yourself fair game. He admits he goes
off his meds to show people the bad stuff about his
illness......

By the way when did he get his American citizenship?
He was Canadian last I heard. But calls himself an
American in the TV ads.

But Rush accused him of actively faking the severity of his illness for political gain in the commercial.

That is a far cry from trying to demonstrate the seriousness of a disease isn't it?

You lost no small amount of respect from me here. You want to defend comments like that, and buy into the personal attack stuff you are as big of an ass as Limbaugh is, and have sunk to the level of boutons.

So since you have decided to go the personal attack route, let's bring up some blasts from the past.

Has anybody forgotten the he called Chelsea Clinton the "white house dog"? Chelsea was about 13 at the time. What kind of man makes fun of a 13 year old girl on national tv?

Does anybody remember the way he was very uncermoniously dumped as a football commentator because he said that blacks couldn't play quarterback well?

The fucking hypocritical drug addiction? Should I drag up the weepy apology and all the hateful things he said about drug addicts?

The time he accused a marine of "going to Iraq to pad his resume" because he was a democrat?

This guy is a total scumbag. People who buy into his brand of viciousness like you make me ashamed to be an American. We are better than him and better than you apparently.

Limbaugh is the worst kind of coward and blowhard. If you are too much of a moron to see through this and give the man rides, just because he makes you feel good about being a hateful human being, that is no better than a crack addict throwing away everything that makes them human for the sake of a temporary high.

[Mr. Peabody]

No one has produced such an interview.

They played a clip of an interview on Inside Edition last night where Fox did admit that he went off of his meds prior to testifying before Congress. He said he did it because they needed to see the effects of the disease.

It still doesn't excuse Rush.

[xrayzebra]

They played a clip of an interview on Inside Edition last night where Fox did admit that he went off of his meds prior to testifying before Congress. He said he did it because they needed to see the effects of the disease.

It still doesn't excuse Rush.

Well of course not. And it speaks well of Fox, okay, so he didn't fake it.
But made damn sure everyone knew he had the illness and displayed it
for all to see. Even tho, even tho, meds can control it for a while.

And I might add, he wants a child to die so he can have a little research
that may, just may, find a cure for his illness. No proof postive that stem
cell research will work on anything.

One other little point, no one seems to want to address. Stem cell
research was allowed by BUSH, no other President, including CLINTON.
FEDERAL MONEY. That is the issue, FEDERAL MONEY, you can
use your own and do what ever research you want. But they dont
want that.

Now about Fox and going off his meds:

Rush said:

All right, people are asking for the cite, that's c-i-t-e. This would be Michael J. Fox, an excerpt from his book "Lucky Man" June 1, 2002. Here is what he writes regarding his appearance before a Senate appropriations subcommittee hearing in Washington on September 28th, 1999: "I had made a deliberate choice to appear before the subcommittee without medication. It seemed to me that this occasion demanded that my testimony about the effects of the disease and the urgency we as a community were feeling be seen as well as heard. For people who had never observed me in this kind of shape, the transformation must have been startling," as it was for me when I saw the commercial he was running in Missouri, because I had never seen him that way before, ever, and I got numerous e-mails from people saying he had said that he does this: goes off the medication to illustrate the ravages of the disease to people and so it's in his own book, that he admits doing this.

Now, Kathryn Jean Lopez at National Review Online has a story on their website today: "Doc Hollywood on the Campaign Trail; What Michael J. Fox learned while on Spin City," and in it she quotes Princeton professor Robert P. George, who sits on the president's bioethics commission, and he says this: "I have great sympathy for Mr. Fox and other victims of Parkinson's and similarly horrible diseases. I understand how desperately he hopes for a cure for what afflicts him and so many others. I have seen members of my own family suffer, and I too want to hasten the day when the great engine of science conquers the diseases that cause so much suffering. But the fact that Mr. Fox is a victim is not a license for him to mislead or manipulate the public.

"The truth — the whole truth — must be told. Those politicians who, for political gain, have run these ads in which the truth is distorted and people are misled deserve the most severe of reprimands. Win or lose, they have brought upon themselves disgrace." That, ladies and gentlemen, is my whole point: "that Mr. Fox is a victim is not a license for him to mislead or manipulate the public. The truth -- the whole truth -- must be told. Those politicians who for political gain have run these ads in which the truth is distorted and people are misled deserve the most severe of reprimands. Win or lose, they have brought upon themselves disgrace." That, ladies and gentlemen, is my whole point. "Mr. Fox is a victim is not a license for him to mislead or manipulate the public. The truth -- the whole truth -- must be told. Those politicians who for political gain have run these ads in which the truth is distorted and people are misled deserve the most severe of reprimands. Win or lose, they have brought upon themselves disgrace."



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And about the dimm-o-craps trying to scare people into voting for them.
It is one of their oldest tactics.

Remember: The republicans want to take your Social Security away
for you. And that was in the 70's and 80's.

Now it is: Republicans hate everyone with an illness and want you to
die. They wont let people do stem cell research and it will cure people.


on and on and on and on............

[ChumpDumper]

Well of course not. And it speaks well of Fox, okay, so he didn't fake it.
But made damn sure everyone knew he had the illness and displayed it
for all to see. Even tho, even tho, meds can control it for a while.And the drugs quit working over time. You're still a scumbag.
And I might add, he wants a child to die so he can have a little research
that may, just may, find a cure for his illness. No proof postive that stem
cell research will work on anything.
Those abortions are still happening and are legal. So make them illegal if you are so upset about them. Otherwise you are full of shit.
One other little point, no one seems to want to address. Stem cell
research was allowed by BUSH, no other President, including CLINTON.
FEDERAL MONEY.Including dead baby research, so Bush wants to kill babies for Michael J. Fox. Hypocrite.
The truth — the whole truth — must be told.The truth is that Fox has Parkinson's disease and he's going to get worse, meds or no meds, and he's doing everything he can to help others with that disease get closer to finding a more effective treatment.
And about the dimm-o-craps trying to scare people into voting for them.
It is one of their oldest tactics.:lmao Have you seen the Osama-mushroom-cloud-boogeyman-"These are the stakes" spots the RNC is running. What is the goal of those? Do they give you feelings of traquility and love?

[RandomGuy]

For regular readers, my apologies. I will now decend to xray's level to prove a point. What follows is simply an attempt to turn Xray's addiction to vitriol into a learning experience for him.


Well of course not. And it speaks well of Fox, okay, so he didn't fake it.

So you admit imbaugh was full of shit? We can agree on that much at least. Too bad so many conservatives are still stupid enough to fall for all the other things he says.


But made damn sure everyone knew he had the illness and displayed it
for all to see. Even tho, even tho, meds can control it for a while.

So according to you, he should have simply suffered quietly, not done anything about it, and not helped anybody else with the disease. I am sure life would be better if we were all as selfish as you are.


And I might add, he wants a child to die so he can have a little research
that may, just may, find a cure for his illness. No proof postive that stem
cell research will work on anything.

When was the last time you pur your money where your mouth is? It costs money to keep the frozen embroyos. You have never sent a check to pay for this, have you? Didn't think so.


One other little point, no one seems to want to address. Stem cell
research was allowed by BUSH, no other President, including CLINTON.
:rollin:
I guess by your logic we should blame Lincoln and Washington for the same thing. You just said: "God-damn hyporcrite George Washington never funded this stuff either, but Bush did and that makes him better." Fact is the science was just in early stages in the late nineties. No one even knew what a stem cell was until a few year ago.



"Fox was acting in the ads"

How ever much Rush and his apologists like you want to quantify, confuse and argue about the definition of "is", Rush still went out and straight up lied about the ads simply because he disagreed with the content. He can spin or do all the weepy apologies he wants, the fact is that he remains a drug-addled coward and a liar.

The fact that people like you hold him up to be some kind of prophet of truth says volumes about how little regard you have for truth and fair play.

Hypocrites all.

Speaking of hypocrisy:

And about the dimm-o-craps trying to scare people into voting for them.
It is one of their oldest tactics.

This from the same guy who says that Democrats would let the terrorists win? "Vote for a democrat if you want the terrorists to win. BOOGA BOOGA!"

Yeah, you and your radical party have a lot of moral authority to talk about scare tactics and politics. :rolleyes


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I have now stooped to mindless ad hominem, strawmen and vitriol. I feel icky.

Feel free to take the high road anytime Ray. Prove you are really better than that.

[SA210]

I just posted this in the Club. I'll post it here too since there are 2 threads about it.
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Evil and selfish comments by Rush.

That poor man (Fox) is trying to make a change and show the true effects of his disease. What, are we supposed to act like it's not there? I know it's simpler to avoid alot of problems and sweep them under a rug, right? Anyone who believes that it's normal and ok to take pills for the rest of your life needs a reality check. It kills your insides over time and you'll eventually die of some other disease like cancer.

Let's get him and others the help they need.

Man, I grew up watching his movies, my own personal favorite that I think was his best and most underrated was a drama, Casualties of War, a true story that Fox really believed he should make, even it didn't make a cent. If you haven't seen it, watch it. It's about a squad of American soldiers in Vietnam who kidnap a girl from a village and take her on their patrol. They abuse her, rape her and murder her and Fox tries to save her and goes against the rest of the squad and refuses to participate in the rape of the poor girl. They try to kill him for reporting it to his superiors and he makes sure that her story gets out, but he lives with the alot pain because he wasn't able to stop them.

It hardly made any money, mainly because, I think, people didn't want to see that our soldiers did something like that, but it was a very good film and I thought Fox and Sean Penn were great in it. It's a true story and it's directed by Brian De Palma.

It really saddens me to see a role model of mine like this with this disease. My childhood wasn't all that bright, but one of the good things I can remember was watching Michael J. Fox's movies, like Back to The Future and Teen Wolf, etc. This is something very personal for me and I'll support him.

God bless you Mike.

[RandomGuy]

As I have said above, in less-than-nice terms, for all the spin and retracting, I have seen the clip where Limbaugh straight up says that Fox "was acting" in the commercials.

His need to drag others down to pump up his own ego gets away from him quite often, as much as he might say the occasional decent thing, he is still very much an insecure little boy in a man's body who is a slave to his own sense of self righteousness.

The fact that no small number of his listeners like to feel the same sort of ego boost that comes from dragging people down who disagree with him/them the way he does saddens me to no end.

There is a fine line between criticism and character assassination, and he steps over it regularly.

[RandomGuy]

http://mediamatters.org/items/200610240001


And in this commercial, he is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He is moving all around and shaking. And it's purely an act. This is the only time I have ever seen Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the disease he has.

this is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting, one of the two.

In fairness, Limbaugh does set up the bit mentioned above by SA210:


So I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances.

My point is that he shoots off the cuff like this so much, and is found to be wrong like this in no small number of instances, that one has to really consider taking what he says a little less seriously. He doesn't deserve the hero-worship of anybody, as so many do.

[RandomGuy]

SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!

If Character has any measure to the calculation of whom should be an authority, or source of political discourse, the question must be how did a vast audience look to Rush Limbaugh?

He has no military backround, no political backround either in experience, or education; he has little insight into the issues he rants about other than the talking points fed him by the RNC.

Lets be specific as to what Rush is, a propagandist. Truth, accuracy, or good policy, or common sense has nothing to do with his goals, they are whatever the RNC wants them to be!

I'll take Thom Hartman any day of the week, and accomplished intellectual, author, historian, philospher, and American thinker, opposed to a recovering drug addict in denial, a college drop-out, liar, and accomplished deceiver.

An accurate metaphor for our choice on November 7th, 2006.

Happy Thought;

Dan Grady
(from a comment to the media matters article)

[clambake]

RG did plunge down to level xray. What was it like at the bottom of the human barrel?

[T Park]

I think Fox's embellishing is a bit much, as were LImbaugh's comments.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Hush shadow boxes with soundbites for a reason... he can't defend his facts(his opinions) so why have the folks on his show to expose him.. I mean if I was a ditto head I would love to hear Hush put those libs in ther places.. but you must at least wonder why hush has no one on his show..sorry other that the VP..

[ChumpDumper]

I think Fox's embellishing is a bit much, as were LImbaugh's comments.I don't know how anyone can claim Fox is embellishing anything unless he says he is.

[T Park]

He should've taken his medicine before the interview.

The movements, I don't know other sensitive way of saying it, are not needed to put his point across.

Should there be more funding for stem cells? YES, but provisions to keep cloning and from aborted babies need to be put in place. Tossed away, Spelling badly here, embillicle chords, has supposedly, like I said I don't totally know, found to be quite helpfull.


Ill step out before Im nailed with the bullets the children are shooting back and forth.

[T Park]

It was a little showy. Thats all.

Flame me what you want.

[SA210]

He should've taken his medicine before the interview.
You wanted him to hide his disease from public view?

[ChumpDumper]

Should there be more funding for stem cells? YES, but provisions to keep cloning and from aborted babies need to be put in place.Bush approved research done with surplus embryos that were frozen for reproductive purposes. Do you agree with that practice?

[T Park]

You wanted him to hide his disease from public view?

Not at all.

But alot of people KNOW he has the disease, so doing it is just for shock value and not for putting the truth to issues.



Bush approved research done with surplus embryos that were frozen for reproductive purposes. Do you agree with that practice

Its a good use for them, what else would you do with em?

You don't think a woman deciding whether to have an abortion is told, "If you abort the baby we can use it in tests to help cure a disease"

Don't think that will make more toying with the prospect to say ok yank er out?

[ChumpDumper]

Its a good use for them, what else would you do with em?
Grow them into children. They are whole embryos after all.
You don't think a woman deciding whether to have an abortion is told, "If you abort the baby we can use it in tests to help cure a disease"

Don't think that will make more toying with the prospect to say ok yank er out?Not really. There are thousands of abortions happening anyway. As long as it's legal, they're still going to happen. And as long as there are aborted fetuses: "Its a good use for them, what else would you do with em?"

[T Park]

Gotta love killing kids to serve a purpose.

Continue on sunshines.

[T Park]

Grow them into children. They are whole embryos after all.

Before I leave the muckhole that is this debate.

If they are not being used, well sbhould they sit around forever then?

While we encourage to scoop embryos that have developed more than just embryos, out of people instead?

Makes no sense.

[ChumpDumper]

Gotta love killing kids to serve a purpose.But you are for killing the frozen kids. OK.

[101A]

I have a question.

What do embryonic stem cells have to do with anything?

There have yet to be any treatments derived from them; nor are any advances being made with them, although there is plenty of private, state and funding from other countries aimed at them.

It is disingeuous, and in this case exploitive, to suggest that because someone opposes federal funding of embryonic stem cell research that THAT person is causing Michael J Fox to spasm uncotrollably - but that is EXACTLY the point being made in the commercials in question.

Adult stem cells? Have shown GREAT promise, and over 50 treatments for various genetic-related ailments are currently under way. IMO, MORE funding for ASC ought to take precedence over any funding for ESC - which seems to be just chasing our tails. (Paraphrased from a discussion with my wife - Ph.D. in Biochemistry with her very own research lab)

[T Park]

an embryo is a fertilized egg?

Or what, maybe Im missing something in meaning here.

[T Park]

It is disingeuous, and in this case exploitive, to suggest that because someone opposes federal funding of embryonic stem cell research that THAT person is causing Michael J Fox to spasm uncotrollably - but that is EXACTLY the point being made in the commercials in question.



"George Bush is the reason I am not walking" -Christopher Reeve.

"If we are elected, Christopher Reeve will be able to walk again"- John Edwards.

[ChumpDumper]

If they are not being used, well sbhould they sit around forever then?You'd rather have them killed.
While we encourage to scoop embryos that have developed more than just embryos, out of people instead?Abortions occur with no encouragement whatsoever. Aborted fetuses exist. What else would you do with the aborted fetuses?

[T Park]

Abortions occur with no encouragement whatsoever

I understand that, but you seriously don't believe, more would have the operation, after being led to believe doing it would save more lives from the diseases?

[ChumpDumper]

an embryo is a fertilized egg?Yes, so if that's where life begins for you, you might see the stickiness of the issue.

[RandomGuy]

RG did plunge down to level xray. What was it like at the bottom of the human barrel?

Icky. I didn't like it. So much so, I edited the post to tone it down.

How do people like that stand being so nasty?

[T Park]

I apologize I really am too lazy to study the and rego over the terms and what not.

If that is true, then thats no better.


Im not pro bush on everything, I think his whole deal with this, I think hes screwed up Iraq by playing prevent defense after driving out the insurgents, I dont like his stance on online gambling.


All he is to me is the lesser of two evils.

[ChumpDumper]

I understand that, but you seriously don't believe, more would have the operation, after being led to believe doing it would save more lives from the diseases?Not really, but if it does, well -- it is legal and a choice for now. If you think abortion should be outlawed so strongly you should probably be pretty active with the issue, right?

[RandomGuy]

It was a little showy. Thats all.

Flame me what you want.

(bemused)
You are the lowest form of scum on earth. You are not even a human ****ing being...
[/full metal jacket quote]

Don't sweat it man. Don't give in to the dark side.

[T Park]

Only outlawed in incest,rape, and after 3 months.

Other than that, regulate it heavily.

[T Park]

You are the lowest form of scum on earth. You are not even a human ****ing being...
[/full metal jacket quote]


someone wrote that to me in a PM.

Now i know where it came form, Thank you :) :lol

[101A]

"George Bush is the reason I am not walking" -Christopher Reeve.

"If we are elected, Christopher Reeve will be able to walk again"- John Edwards.
:depressed

[ChumpDumper]

Only outlawed in incest,rape, and after 3 months.

Other than that, regulate it heavily.So there will still be abortions, right?

[T Park]

Not really, but if it does, well -- it is legal and a choice for now. If you think abortion should be outlawed so strongly you should probably be pretty active with the issue, right?

If it proves well, then, under the guidelines I posted, let em do it.

These are serious diseases that could be cured, I mean, if someone said, hey, your amputated arm, that is dead from, whatever, could used to cure cancer, are you gonna say,no don't take my arm?

Thats how I equate it.

Sorry if thats too stupid for the enlightened :lol

[T Park]

So there will still be abortions, right?

Read on further :lol

[ChumpDumper]

If it proves well, then, under the guidelines I posted, let em do it.Ok.

[T Park]

Whew, felt like I was under a heatlamp there :lol JK.

[ChumpDumper]

"Abortions for some -- miniature American flags for others."

[RandomGuy]

someone wrote that to me in a PM.

Now i know where it came form, Thank you :) :lol

(laughs)

That wasn't me. It is a very widely known quote tho'.

[SA210]

Icky. I didn't like it. So much so, I edited the post to tone it down.

How do people like that stand being so nasty?
I've asked Xray before what it's like to be greedy and selfish.

He admitted that yes he is selfish and it feels damn great to be.
He also asked what is wrong with being a little greedy.

In this thread on the homeless.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=683490&highlight=homeless#post683490

[101A]

He also asked what is wrong with being a little greedy.

We all are, we're built that way; it's controlling those impulses, and not letting them control you, that separates the wheat from the chaffe).

If it weren't for greed, this world would be a much different place - and I'm 99.9% sure there wouldn't be an internet around for us to be talking about it.

[T Park]

Gecko was right to a point.

Afraid to break it to the nirvanians, but, not being greedy is a bad thing in the world of business and money.

[SA210]

We all are, we're built that way; it's controlling those impulses, and not letting them control you, that separates the wheat from the chaffe).

If it weren't for greed, this world would be a much different place - and I'm 99.9% sure there wouldn't be an internet around for us to be talking about it.
I hear you, but in the manner in which Xray says these things supports his selfish views, which he admits to having.

[T Park]

Not bad at all being selfish to a point.

Don't go there SA.

[SA210]

Not bad at all being selfish to a point.

Don't go there SA.
I think you understand my point. I did go there.

[T Park]

No I don't understand your point.

You think everyone shouldn't want to keep what they have and if they think that way they are unchristian and evil?

[clambake]

I suppose Tammy Duckworth has no right to campaign against the war if she mentions the fact that both her legs were blown off when the helicopter she was piloting was blown out of the sky.

When will limbaugh attack her like he did Fox?

[SA210]

No I don't understand your point.

You think everyone shouldn't want to keep what they have and if they think that way they are unchristian and evil?
No, I just think people should have more compassion for others.

[101A]

No, I just don't think they should claim they are "true" Christians, then go against Christian values.

I'm confused.

Are we still talking about taxes?

Nevermind, I've got to go....

[xrayzebra]

Well, well, well. All the venom. My goodness. Poor
Michael. Poor Michael. He has this terrible disease and
you attack him. Really!

Let's not face the truth, just tell on X that he is mean,
so cruel, he has no feelings. Really?

Let's not look at the facts. Facts, my goodness, don't
confuse me with facts. Right?

Michael is lying in his little ad. Michael has admitted
he goes off meds to prove a point. What damn point?
We all know he has a terrible, terrible illness. He
cant help it, I cant help it and no known cure exist.
No one says stem cell research will or can or has even
been remotely said that it can cure it. But he says
you vote for a Republican it aint gonna happen, you
gotta vote Democrat to get this one the road for a cure.
Now, in my book that is POLITICAL.

Now maybe you don't. That is your decision.

[ChumpDumper]

Michael is lying in his little ad.What lie does he say?
Now, in my book that is POLITICAL.I would hope so, since it's a political ad.

[clambake]

Most people can't afford those medications. One of my neighbors has Parkinsons. Whats wrong with showing the effects of Parkinsons? Why not bring it to people's attention? Why just dismiss this as a political attack? Are people that shallow?

[xrayzebra]

What lie does he say?I would hope so, since it's a political ad.

What lie did he say:

You vote for a Republican you are voting again
stem cell research. Horse Hockey.

A Republican President is the only President that
authorized federal money be spent on stem cell
research.

so there is your lie.....

[Ocotillo]

FYI (http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/basics/basics3.asp)

What are embryonic stem cells?

A. What stages of early embryonic development are important for generating embryonic stem cells?
Embryonic stem cells, as their name suggests, are derived from embryos. Specifically, embryonic stem cells are derived from embryos that develop from eggs that have been fertilized in vitro—in an in vitro fertilization clinic—and then donated for research purposes with informed consent of the donors. They are not derived from eggs fertilized in a woman's body. The embryos from which human embryonic stem cells are derived are typically four or five days old and are a hollow microscopic ball of cells called the blastocyst. The blastocyst includes three structures: the trophoblast, which is the layer of cells that surrounds the blastocyst; the blastocoel, which is the hollow cavity inside the blastocyst; and the inner cell mass, which is a group of approximately 30 cells at one end of the blastocoel.

[xrayzebra]

^^Aren't you happy you weren't one of those used for
research?

[ChumpDumper]

You vote for a Republican you are voting again
stem cell research.Nope, that's wrong. You lied.
A Republican President is the only President that
authorized federal money be spent on stem cell
research.Well no shit, Sherlock. What does that have to do with anything? Next you'll be saying Fox couldn't put on his veil for the Taliban because he was off his meds.

[Ocotillo]

^^Aren't you happy you weren't one of those used for
research?

We are talking about frozen embryos sitting around in storage degrading and eventually being disposed of (thrown away). This is not harvesting fetuses post-abortion.

[xrayzebra]

I lied. You are full of yourself. Listen to what he said.
Vote for the dimm-o-crap or vote against stem cell
research. He said it not me.

sheeeeesh, clean your ears.

[Ocotillo]

^^ He is supporting the candidate that supports stem cell research. In Missouri, that would be Claire McKaskill (sp?) and Jim Talent opposes.

[ChumpDumper]

I lied.Nice of you to admit it.
Listen to what he said.
Vote for the dimm-o-crap or vote against stem cell
research. Nope. He said the Republican senator opposes expanding stem cell research, which is true.

[PixelPusher]

Here's Rush mocking MJ Fox (or maybe he scored just scored some quality "baby blues")


http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/jamackey/rushjerky.gif

...kinda reminiscent of DarkReign's sig.

https://home.comcast.net/~darkreign/Media/Pics/DancingRetard.gif

(what's the story with that kid anyway?)

[Nbadan]

Looks like the politicos are getting the All-Star players involved...

St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Jeff Suppan will start Game 4 of the World Series, Wednesday Oct. 25, 2006. Suppan appears in an ad telling Missouri voters to reject a controversial stem-cell law.


(CBS/AP) In an effort to shoot down a controversial measure that would legalize stem cell research in Missouri — and rebut an advertisement featuring Michael J. Fox that supports the law — opponents will respond with their own celebrity-filled ad that will air during Game 4 of the World Series Wednesday night.

An added twist to the opponents' response is that St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Jeff Suppan appears in the ad and will be the starter Wednesday against the Detroit Tigers.

Joining Suppan are celebrities such as NFL quarterback Kurt Warner, actors Jim Caviezel and Patricia Heaton, and, baseball player Mike Sweeney. Caviezel played the role of Jesus in the film, "The Passion of the Christ."

CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/25/politics/main2122383.shtml)

Nothing beats Jim Caviezel starting off the ad by speaking in Aramaic. It would be hilarious if not for the fact that he's being dead serious. Here is the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nguJQ_dRPXw), check it out for yourself.

[Nbadan]

http://blogs.chron.com/nickanderson/archives/and1026blog.jpg

[AFE7FATMAN]

Can we question someone's opinion, expressed in an advertisement with much drama and delivered by a PROFESSIONAL and reasonable good ACTOR who suffers feom a disease that may or MAY NOT be cureable as a result of the research he advocates?

Further, is his REPRESENTATION of those he opposes accurate?

As a matter of FACT, neither of the candidates he opposes object to stem cell research. Quick aside, back in 1963-64 "stem cells" were indeed known. Back then they were called "undifferentated cells". Knowledge of these types of cells was discovered QUICKLY following the Watson-Crick discovery of DNA, RNA and messenger RNA.

At least they are NOT opposed to stem cell research, as long as people use stem cells from adults and from the afterbirth.

They are CONCERNED about the use of human embryo stem cells, at lease additional ones to those already in use. They are also opposed to "cloning" of human beings.

As long as there is a better way, before we go to embryo research, the better way (adult and umbical blood stem cells) is that which should get our attention. With taxpayer funds, of course.

I follow up here by saying that PRIVATE research can continue. The reason the lab rats want federal money is that PRIVATE money follows the line of research most likely to or has produced results. That would not be embryo.

So they (the dem's) are willing to pour billions of taxpayer dollars down a path of research of clearly questionable morality and doubtful results.

And to call them on it when a professional actor who suffers from a disease that will NOT be cured in Mr. Fox's lifetime (no matter how much we all might wish it) when he engages in making a political advert that is false and misleading is no terrible thing?

The "high moral ground" is not held in this issue by the Dem's who decided to exploit Mr. Fox's disease to create this dishonest advert, nor by Rush, with another of his flippant smart-ass remarks. Regardless of Mr. Fox's complicity or his being duped. In this particular case there is no high moral ground, only politics. And just about the worst I've seen lately

[boutons_]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/jamackey/rushjerky.gif That's probably the most exercise that the porker has had in 30 years, although he probably gets good cardio workouts fucking little boys in Dominican Republic.

[JoeChalupa]

I wonder why Rush didn't think MJF was faking it when he endorsed Sen. Arlen Specter?

[101A]

Can we question someone's opinion, expressed in an advertisement with much drama and delivered by a PROFESSIONAL and reasonable good ACTOR who suffers feom a disease that may or MAY NOT be cureable as a result of the research he advocates?

Further, is his REPRESENTATION of those he opposes accurate?

As a matter of FACT, neither of the candidates he opposes object to stem cell research. Quick aside, back in 1963-64 "stem cells" were indeed known. Back then they were called "undifferentated cells". Knowledge of these types of cells was discovered QUICKLY following the Watson-Crick discovery of DNA, RNA and messenger RNA.

At least they are NOT opposed to stem cell research, as long as people use stem cells from adults and from the afterbirth.

They are CONCERNED about the use of human embryo stem cells, at lease additional ones to those already in use. They are also opposed to "cloning" of human beings.

As long as there is a better way, before we go to embryo research, the better way (adult and umbical blood stem cells) is that which should get our attention. With taxpayer funds, of course.

I follow up here by saying that PRIVATE research can continue. The reason the lab rats want federal money is that PRIVATE money follows the line of research most likely to or has produced results. That would not be embryo.

So they (the dem's) are willing to pour billions of taxpayer dollars down a path of research of clearly questionable morality and doubtful results.

And to call them on it when a professional actor who suffers from a disease that will NOT be cured in Mr. Fox's lifetime (no matter how much we all might wish it) when he engages in making a political advert that is false and misleading is no terrible thing?

The "high moral ground" is not held in this issue by the Dem's who decided to exploit Mr. Fox's disease to create this dishonest advert, nor by Rush, with another of his flippant smart-ass remarks. Regardless of Mr. Fox's complicity or his being duped. In this particular case there is no high moral ground, only politics. And just about the worst I've seen lately


What he said.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Am I seeing our brothers on the right attacking the accuracy of political commercials? I see GOP ads all the time that distort Dem votes and statments.. now all of a sudden the 'selective' outrage from the right?

[George Gervin's Afro]

So they (the dem's) are willing to pour billions of taxpayer dollars down a path of research of clearly questionable morality and doubtful results.

Since we don't know the benefits could we at least try? It seems to me your advocating the stance that is "since we don't know we surely can't try"

You want to talk about morality? What about the unecessary war in Iraq? Does that qualify as an aversion to morality? To me it does. Please be outraged about the morality of a war that was started on 'questionable' facts.


The "high moral ground" is not held in this issue by the Dem's who decided to exploit Mr. Fox's disease to create this dishonest advert, nor by Rush, with another of his flippant smart-ass remarks. Regardless of Mr. Fox's complicity or his being duped. In this particular case there is no high moral ground, only politics. And just about the worst I've seen lately


Now dems are exploiting Fox? Is Fox stupid? Did Fox have a say in making the ad? I am going to go on a limb and sya that if Fox felt that he was just being used then he probably would not have participated.

Please save me the 'selective outrage' by this. The GOP is just as guilty of distorting Democrats positions and statements on many of their ads and I never hear anyone on the right question the accuracy of those ads.

[SA210]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/jamackey/rushjerky.gif

Just sad. :depressed

[Extra Stout]

You want to talk about morality? What about the unecessary war in Iraq? Does that qualify as an aversion to morality? To me it does. Please be outraged about the morality of a war that was started on 'questionable' facts.


Please save me the 'selective outrage' by this. The GOP is just as guilty of distorting Democrats positions and statements on many of their ads and I never hear anyone on the right question the accuracy of those ads.

When you have to switch the subject to Iraq, or whine "The Republicans do it too!" to somebody not even claiming to represent Republicans, basically it means you have nothing more to say.

[George Gervin's Afro]

When you have to switch the subject to Iraq, or whine "The Republicans do it too!" to somebody not even claiming to represent Republicans, basically it means you have nothing more to say.


Right. I guess since the GOP has been using the "dems said it too argument" to defend themselves it kind of rubs off. So back to the selective outrage. Do you complain when your party does it? I am honest enough to admit Fox's ad blurred the lines but my point was that both parties do it and to be outarged only when the dems do it is being hypocritical.I know it went way over your head but apparently I gave you to much credit in regards your intellectual capacity.

[Extra Stout]

Right. I guess since the GOP has been using the "dems said it too argument" to defend themselves it kind of rubs off. So back to the selective outrage. Do you complain when your party does it? I am honest enough to admit Fox's ad blurred the lines but my point was that both parties do it and to be outarged only when the dems do it is being hypocritical.I know it went way over your head but apparently I gave you to much credit in regards your intellectual capacity.

1) Some of us in this forum are independent thinkers, not flag-wavers for one party or the other.

2) Since you apparently are one of those flag-wavers who thinks that everyone is either bright red or bright blue, you failed actually to read what AFE said:


The "high moral ground" is not held in this issue by the Dem's who decided to exploit Mr. Fox's disease to create this dishonest advert, nor by Rush, with another of his flippant smart-ass remarks. Regardless of Mr. Fox's complicity or his being duped. In this particular case there is no high moral ground, only politics. And just about the worst I've seen lately (bold mine)

You called this "selective outrage." So if somebody criticizes both the liberals and conservatives at the same time, that is "selective." I mean, that's just brilliant. I'm so glad you're here.

[George Gervin's Afro]

1) Some of us in this forum are independent thinkers, not flag-wavers for one party or the other.

2) Since you apparently are one of those flag-wavers who thinks that everyone is either bright red or bright blue, you failed actually to read what AFE said:

(bold mine)

You called this "selective outrage." So if somebody criticizes both the liberals and conservatives at the same time, that is "selective." I mean, that's just brilliant. I'm so glad you're here.


Well please accept my apology :dramaquee I am a moderate democrat who recognizes the dems have problems but it infuriates me when the people on the other side of the aisle complain about dems when the GOP is guilty of the same actions.. sorry bro but I'm not a flag-waver..

[Nbadan]

The Michael J. Fox Effect - 10-point swing for Demos


A new national study revealed that voters' support for stem cell research "increased after they viewed an ad featuring Michael J. Fox in which he expresses his support for candidates who are in favor of stem cell research."

Key finding: "Republicans who indicated that they were voting for a Republican candidate decreased by 10% after viewing the ad (77% to 67%). Independents planning to vote for Democrats increased by 10%, from 39% to 49%."

Real-time responses of those who participated in the survey are also available. Very interesting.

Political Wire (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/10/26/the_michael_j_fox_effect.html)

[SA210]

^^^

Heck of a job Rushy :lol

[ChumpDumper]

All the Democrats have to do now is show this:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/jamackey/rushjerky.gif

next to Fox and say the choice is yours.

[smeagol]

Those abortions are still happening and are legal. So make them illegal if you are so upset about them. Otherwise you are full of shit.

Making abortions legal or illegal has nothing to do with the fact abortions kill human beings.

[gtownspur]

Making abortions legal or illegal has nothing to do with the fact abortions kill human beings.


As long as you feed the carcasses to homeless people it's ok!

:toast

[SA210]

As long as you feed the carcasses to homeless people it's ok!

:toast
gtown vanishes for a while, then suddenly reappears and spouts the nonsense we all remember him for. :sleep

[gtownspur]

gtown vanishes for a while, then suddenly reappears and spouts the nonsense we all remember him for. :sleep


Hey Sa210, i forgot about you girl.

Is that your photo.....daannng!! :smokin

[SA210]

Hey Sa210, i forgot about you girl.

Is that your photo.....daannng!! :smokin
No, it's my friend J. Lo.

Too bad I know her and you don't. :toast

[gtownspur]

No, it's my friend J. Lo.

Too bad I know her and you don't. :toast


That's cool.

Is JLo homeless now.


I bet you don't mind her bumming your tampons.

[SA210]

That's cool.

Is JLo homeless now.


I bet you don't mind her bumming your tampons.
You know this is the political forum right?

If you want to talk trash and smear, you need to take that somewh..

err, nevermind, it's what your party does.

[gtownspur]

You know this is the political forum right?

If you want to talk trash and smear, you need to take that somewh..

err, nevermind, it's what your party does.


My party.

Wow i have a party? :downspin:

WHere?

Where's the keg? :spin

:drunk :drunk :drunk

[ChumpDumper]

Making abortions legal or illegal has nothing to do with the fact abortions kill human beings.Quit preaching and make it illegal.

[smeagol]

Quit preaching and make it illegal.
Not preaching, simply a reminder because people forget easily.

[George Gervin's Afro]

All the Democrats have to do now is show this:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/jamackey/rushjerky.gif

next to Fox and say the choice is yours.


I wish I could make this a part of my signature. Can anyone send me a PM with instructions? Your help would be greatly appreciated.

[PixelPusher]

Douchebaugh just doesn't know when to quit...


Limbaugh "apologize[d]" for being "wrong" that Michael J. Fox "didn't take his medication," then suggested Fox over-medicated himself "so you would really, really hate Republicans" (http://mediamatters.org/items/200610270019)

During the October 26 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh "apologize[d]" for being "wrong" in "speculat[ing]" that actor Michael J. Fox either "didn't take his medication or he was acting" in a recent campaign advertisement for Missouri Democratic Senate candidate Claire McCaskill, but then immediately returned to attacking Fox by baselessly accusing him of intentionally taking too much medication to induce the tremors visible in the ad. Highlighting an October 25 interview Fox gave on NBC's Access Hollywood, during which, Limbaugh stated, Fox "himself said he took too much medication" before shooting the McCaskill ad, Limbaugh declared: "He didn't do that when he goes on Boston Legal, but it happened for the taping of this ad; and I think the reason for that is so you would really, really hate Republicans." In fact, while Fox acknowledged on Access Hollywood that his tremors were a result of having taken "too much medication," he did not say he had intentionally done so. Indeed, after Limbaugh's remark, Fox appeared on the October 26 edition of the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric and confirmed that the tremors he had experienced during the taping of the ad occurred because it is difficult to "calculate" the correct dosage of medication and, "[s]ometimes, it kicks in too hard."

Additionally, Limbaugh claimed that the media have engaged in "an irresponsible misuse of video from my ditto cam" in that "many cable outlets have taken that snippet of video," in which Limbaugh is mimicking Fox's tremors in the McCaskill ad, "and they're speeding it up, I am told," "to make [Limbaugh's impression] look even more exaggerated to fulfill their claim that" Limbaugh was "making fun of Fox." Limbaugh declared that he was merely "try[ing] to describe for viewers on my ditto cam what I had seen" in the ad.

As Media Matters for America has previously noted, on the October 23 edition of his radio show, Limbaugh, noting that Fox is "moving all around and shaking" in the ad, declared: "And it's purely an act. This is the only time I have ever seen Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the disease he has." While making this characterization, Limbaugh imitated Fox's involuntary movements in the ad. Limbaugh added that "this is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting, one of the two." Later in the broadcast, Limbaugh stated, "I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances."

On October 26, Limbaugh "apologize[d]" after airing a clip of Fox's interview on Access Hollywood, in which Fox stated: "The symptoms that I had in the interview or the ad that I did, that's called dyskinesia. That's actually from taking too much medication." But later in the broadcast, Limbaugh asserted that "[t]here's no question about it," Fox's ad "is a planned, late-stages of the campaign tactic. ... These ads are scripted by Democrat [sic] campaigns. ... And [McCaskill's campaign] worked with Michael J. Fox on deciding how they wanted him to appear. ...They wanted it to appear this way. ... You know, I want to stress this. They wanted it to appear this way."

Fox further clarified the effects of his medication during his interview with anchor Katie Couric on the CBS Evening News. Fox explained that "[s]ometimes," the medication "kicks in too hard, and then you get what's called dyskinesia, which is that rocking motion that I had when I did the commercial." He added that "the notion that you could calculate it for effect is -- you know, people with Parkinson's out there were just kind of going, 'Yeah, would that we could.'"

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From the October 26 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:

LIMBAUGH: We had a call yesterday, and I dealt with this yesterday, and I will deal with it again today as often as I have to, because there is an irresponsible charge, and an irresponsible misuse of video from my ditto cam here -- by the way, welcome to all of you watching on the ditto cam today --

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there is an irresponsible charge that I was making fun of Michael J. Fox, and that I said Michael J. Fox was faking it. Neither of those two charges have any foundation of truth whatsoever and, yet, they continue to be leveled and they continue to be distorted and amplified upon.

I'll explain why in the opening monologue, but I just -- I just want to tell you, as I told the woman from Maryland, in fact, who called yesterday and said she had heard that I was making fun of Fox and that she had seen video of me imitating his gyrations and movements in the ad that he had done for Claire McCaskill in Missouri.

Here -- and by the way, many cable outlets have taken that snippet of video from the ditto cam and they're speeding it up, I am told. Now, I haven't seen it, but I've been inundated with emails from people who say, "Rush, it's unconscionable what they're doing. They're speeding it up to make it look even more exaggerated to fulfill their claim that you are making fun of Fox." I'll take you through this step by step. Here's what happened.

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(this is in real time, just in case you were wondering)

I'm reading The Drudge Report -- no, I think it's, actually, it's after the show had started. I'm not even sure when -- one day, and then there's the link to the Michael J. Fox video and the word "controversy" attached to it, so I click on it, and I watch it. Now, I've seen Michael J. Fox recently on television in a number of roles, on the show Boston Legal, which I love, and I've seen Michael J. Fox interviewed, and I've never seen him the way I saw him in this ad. Never. I've seen Parkinson's disease sufferers. I know a couple. And I'd never seen this. I just had never seen it.

I run a radio show here, and I have a camera right there. I'm pointing to it. Subscribers to my website can watch the program, and hundreds of thousands do each and every day. So, in the process of describing for them -- after all, I am a reporter [ahem] -- in the process of describing what I was watching, it is a shock, as you've all seen it, it's shocking; it's unbelievable. You don't see this kind of thing everyday, particularly in a television commercial -- not even a public service announcement for the cause that might be involved do you see something like this. And you couple that with the fact that I'd never seen Michael J. Fox in this way, I began to try to describe for viewers on my ditto cam what I had seen.

Now, anybody who listens to me describe what I saw would know this. It is a purposeful attempt to smear. I mean, that's -- I'm not -- I'm not complaining because that's the league that we all play in here, folks, and I don't whine or moan about anything, but I am going to correct the record here because this is something that's now had a lifespan of two days -- that I'm making fun of Michael J. Fox. I would no more do that than I would make fun of anybody who suffers a disease about which and over which they have no -- I wouldn't make fun of anybody with a -- that is beneath me, and it's not -- there's no evidence and history of it on this program at all, or in my behavior as a human being and, yet, it's out there.

And the people who culled that video could easily listen to the audio that accompanied it and would easily know and do know precisely what I was doing. And yet, it is being used for the express purpose of distorting and smearing for an audience that doesn't listen to this program.

[...]

LIMBAUGH: But there it is again -- exaggerating or faking. Never once did I use the word "fake!" It's very simple what I said, and the context is, I am stunned. I have never seen Michael J. Fox this way, I know he's got Parkinson's disease, and I'm saying what -- if I know it's a political ad, and I know it's to benefit Democrats. Ka-ching. Ka-ching. Ka-ching. Ka-ching. Ka-ching. The neurons in my fertile brain start firing, and I say, "You know, he's either exaggerating the symptoms or he hasn't taken his medication." Either/or. That has become: "He's faking it," and "I was making fun of it."

Since then, and later in that program in the next sound bite, after consulting a bunch of research, found out that he'd written in his own book that he indeed goes off or manipulates his medication when he does public appearances, which I've said, countless times this week, is fine with me. He's tried to raise consciousness before members of Congress to get funding for research into the disease. I understand how powerful that is. Now, it shows up in a political ad for a series of Democrat [sic] candidates around the country, two weeks before the election -- sorry, flak -- folks, I'm a political animal and red flags raised immediately.

[...]

LIMBAUGH: And let me admit something now, since we played the audio sound bite. In fact, let's -- let's go get it. Number seven -- can you play number seven again? 'Cause I want to make an apology here. You have number seven from the audio sound bite roster ready to go? All right, let 'er rip.

FOX [audio clip]: The symptoms that I had in the ad that I did, they're called dyskinesia, and that's actually from too much medication.

LIMBAUGH: OK. I need to apologize. I was wrong, because I speculated he either didn't take his medication or he was acting -- never said the word "faking." Now, if you've got -- if you people on the left want to equate acting with faking, I mean, go ahead. George Clooney would be a faker. All your favorite actors -- we'll call them fakers. I never used the word.

But I was wrong. He did take his medications, and now, he took too much medication. The point is, he did something differently to appear in this ad than when he appears on Boston Legal. And that was my first human reaction -- "Whoa! I've never seen this! I have not seen this before." Now, I gather from the past three days that we are to believe that this is the normal condition that poor Mr. Fox has to live with each and every day. That's the impression that they're leaving, is it not? That this is how his life is now.

But he himself said he took too much medication. He didn't do that when he goes on Boston Legal, but it happened for the taping of this ad; and I think the reason for that is so you would really, really hate Republicans, because Republicans don't want to cure it. Jim Talent doesn't care; Michael Steele doesn't care; nobody in the Republican Party cares. They don't want to cure these things. They're happy, in fact, to see people suffer like Mr. Fox is in his ad.

[...]

CALLER: And --

LIMBAUGH: And if you use too little, what happens?

CALLER: And if you -- the same thing.

LIMBAUGH: OK. Well, here's -- here's -- I'm -- I think I mentioned this yesterday. I'm being inundated with emails of doctors, and neurosurgeons, and a number of people, and I don't often share emails because anybody can write and claim to be anybody and anything. So, these emails run the gamut.

But I'm hearing what you have said -- too much medication -- and Michael Fox admitted that he had too much medication when he shot the -- all I know is that the way he appears in the ad, I've never seen him anywhere else. In fact, when he went up to do the public appearance for Tammy Duckworth, he didn't appear that way with her as he does in the ads.

We observe what we observe, ladies and gentlemen, and as I said mere moments ago, and I will happily repeat it -- I apologize for saying he didn't take his meds. Instead, he took too much medication. But he didn't do this when he went on Boston Legal, and he didn't do this when he was with Tammy Duckworth later -- or earlier this week on a public appearance, fundraiser.

[...]

LIMBAUGH: Let me tell you people something about how these political campaign ads are put together. They don't just happen. Like Claire McCaskill is saying that she was minding her own busy -- business one day, when she was trying to figure out how to destroy Jim Talent when her phone rang. And on the other end was either Michael J. Fox or his foundation offering to help and Claire said, "Hey, hey, hey, get on in here."

And they sat down; put together an ad. Just -- it happened spontaneously like -- folks, this ad's running in Maryland. It's gonna run in Virginia. It's running in Wisconsin. This is a planned, late-stages of the campaign tactic. There's no question about it.

These are not ads by some nonprofit health-related organization. They are ads paid for by the Democrat [sic] campaigns of the various senators for whom these ads are running. These ads are scripted by Democrat campaigns.

Democrat campaigns hire the directors, hire the producers, hire the writers. Democrat campaigns determine who will be in the ad. They determine the music in the ad -- scenery -- all of that.

And they worked with Michael J. Fox on deciding how they wanted him to appear. And this -- [caller] is exactly right. They wanted it to appear this way. Now -- that -- that's OK. You know, I want to stress this. They wanted it to appear this way but I just -- the idea that you're fooled by it is what bothers me.

From the October 26 edition of CBS' Evening News with Katie Couric:

COURIC: When you did the campaign ad, tell us what you were experiencing that day, and what we were seeing as a result.

FOX: Well, on any given day, I have a different -- a thousand different things I can feel, and I usually feel -- I go through a million cycles over the course of a day. For example, right now, this is a dearth of medication; not by design, I just take it, and it kicks in when it kicks in. Sometimes, it kicks in too hard, and then you get what's called dyskinesia, which is that rocking motion that I had when I did the commercial.

COURIC: Where you go from side to side.

FOX: Yeah.

COURIC: And that's actually caused by the medication?

FOX: It's caused by the medication. You know, it's funny that the notion that you could calculate it for effect is -- you know, people with Parkinson's out there were just kind of going, "Yeah, would that we could."

COURIC: Could you have waited to do that ad when you were -- had less dyskinesia, for example?

FOX: Well, when do you know that's going to be? It's funny, my mother was -- was visiting me that day and was in the back room, and she was saying throughout -- throughout the filming of it, she was talking to my friends back there, and she was saying, "He's trying so hard to be still." And so, she was the one that actually, when the comments were made, she was the only one that I talked to who was really angry; and she said, "I can't even see straight." I said, "Mom, just relax. It's OK."

COURIC: In fact, Rush Limbaugh suggested that you had failed to take your medication intentionally, so when you did that ad, you'd be more symptomatic and therefore more sympathetic.

FOX: Yeah, the irony of it is that I -- that I was too medicated.

—J.M.

[RandomGuy]

I wish I could make this a part of my signature. Can anyone send me a PM with instructions? Your help would be greatly appreciated.

I am sure someone did already, but for anybody else who needs/wants to know:

It is part of the "control panel". Look at the top bit on this page, and click on control panel.

Select "edit signature" and you should see a box very similar to the "reply to thread box".

Somewhere there should be a little "picture icon". You should have the URL of the picture you want there.

To get any picture's URL under MS explorer (it is similar for most browsers) right click with your mouse pointer over the picture, and select "properties". It will, most times, tell you the URL of the picture. That is what you need.

Do a left click and drag over the "Address" portion of the resulting window. Then "copy" that (right click for another menu after you have highlit the text) and "paste" it where you want it to go.

In this case you paste the URL directly into the dialogue box that pops up when you click on the little "picture icon". You could just type it, but that means tpyos for us mortals. ;) Better to let the computer handle it by copying and pasting.

[PixelPusher]

I am sure someone did already, but for anybody else who needs/wants to know:

It is part of the "control panel". Look at the top bit on this page, and click on control panel.

Select "edit signature" and you should see a box very similar to the "reply to thread box".

Somewhere there should be a little "picture icon". You should have the URL of the picture you want there.

To get any picture's URL under MS explorer (it is similar for most browsers) right click with your mouse pointer over the picture, and select "properties". It will, most times, tell you the URL of the picture. That is what you need.

Do a left click and drag over the "Address" portion of the resulting window. Then "copy" that (right click for another menu after you have highlit the text) and "paste" it where you want it to go.

In this case you paste the URL directly into the dialogue box that pops up when you click on the little "picture icon". You could just type it, but that means tpyos for us mortals. ;) Better to let the computer handle it by copying and pasting.

If you're using Firefox, it's as easy as Right Click > Copy Image Location

You all are welcome to use my jerkyrush for sigs, or whatever...just bear in mind I can't guarantee that it'll stay in my photobucket account forever (not that I'm planning on removing it anytime soon), so you might want to save it to your own HD and host it yourself.

[RandomGuy]

If you're using Firefox, it's as easy as Right Click > Copy Image Location

You all are welcome to use my jerkyrush for sigs, or whatever...just bear in mind I can't guarantee that it'll stay in my photobucket account forever (not that I'm planning on removing it anytime soon), so you might want to save it to your own HD and host it yourself.

I am surprised that you appear to have been the first on this. I couldn't find it after a google or two.

I will download it then.

Thanks. This will make an excellent daily reminder of the general douchbagginess that typifies Rush.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Now Hush is saying that it is crule for dems to give false hope to the sick. He says there is nothing promising about embryonic stemm cell research.

[PixelPusher]

I am surprised that you appear to have been the first on this. I couldn't find it after a google or two.

I will download it then.

Thanks. This will make an excellent daily reminder of the general douchbagginess that typifies Rush.
I created it using frames from a .mov file.

[DarkReign]

Here's Rush mocking MJ Fox (or maybe he scored just scored some quality "baby blues")


http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/jamackey/rushjerky.gif

...kinda reminiscent of DarkReign's sig.

https://home.comcast.net/~darkreign/Media/Pics/DancingRetard.gif

(what's the story with that kid anyway?)

I have no idea, but he is being added immediately.

The kid in my sig is just a dancing retard. Nothing more or less, just something I find entirely too humorous to ignore even if it implies I might be a bit unsympathetic.

[DarkReign]

Oh shit, youre putting it in your sig?

Oh well, if/when you do, I'll take mine out. I am nothing without originality.

Oh...wait....

EDITED: Balls. I took it out. You guys beat me to it.

[smeagol]

If you're using Firefox, it's as easy as Right Click > Copy Image Location

You all are welcome to use my jerkyrush for sigs, or whatever...just bear in mind I can't guarantee that it'll stay in my photobucket account forever (not that I'm planning on removing it anytime soon), so you might want to save it to your own HD and host it yourself.
You should take me off your sig picture :lol

[PixelPusher]

You should take me off your sig picture :lol

You don't recognize your cousin Steavol Nash?

[RandomGuy]

Oh shit, youre putting it in your sig?

Oh well, if/when you do, I'll take mine out. I am nothing without originality.

Oh...wait....

EDITED: Balls. I took it out. You guys beat me to it.


I will probably change mine. The similarity is striking though...