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ponky
10-30-2006, 12:22 PM
Would you like some cheese with that whine? :stirpot:


http://www.woai.com/spurs/story.aspx?content_id=52E182B6-BA32-4740-BECB-DEEB8ECDD418

New NBA “No Whining” Policy: Which Spur Will Be Affected Most?
LAST UPDATE: 10/12/2006 12:15:25 PM
Posted By: CyberBob
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The Spurs have returned from their European training camp with a little more culture and a lot more wine.

“I think we had to fly another plane back with all the wine,” Brent Barry told WOAI.com. “We had to charter another flight back.”

After a couple of days to find their legs and to get their body clocks on central time, it was back to work for the Spurs. Coach Gregg Popovich put the troops through a nearly three hour practice Wednesday morning. The message? The trip is over and it's all business now. The Spurs response? Great. Just as long as we're back home.

“It’s nice to get back on the floor after getting back from France - and to sweat some things out – sweat out all that cheese. And I’m not just talking about Tony,” said Barry.

The Spurs did come back to find a few things have changed in the NBA, including a new “no whining” policy which could have a big impact on the team. In an attempt to get players to curtail post-whistle whining, NBA referee representatives have made the rounds early in training camp to emphasize the league's zero-tolerance policy.

Commissioner David Stern, long fed up with players' histrionics over questionable calls, is threatening to hit them with quick technical fouls -- and later fines -- for those who curse, throw their hands up, or make other gestures that show disgust.

"The thought process is we have the best athletes in the world, playing a spectacular game as well as it has ever been played," Stern said. "In my view it detracts from it, when a small handful of players spend their time negotiating and slowing the game down, at least in the perception of the fans, by engaging in an enterprise which is not productive."

Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili both have a reputation in the league as over-complainers. The new rule means quick technical fouls and fines for those who curse, throw their hands up or make other gestures that show disgust.

So which Spurs should worry? We asked Manu.

“Well, Bruce is going to have to adjust… Tony, Tim, me. I think we usually argue more. It’s like I said before, we’re not so emotional that we cannot control ourselves,” Manu told WOAI.com after practice Wednesday.

Rasheed Wallace, for one, told the Detroit News he took the league's crackdown personally.

"It's just another 'Sheed Wallace rule," Wallace, shaking his head, told the newspaper. "It just means I must be doing something right. Any time they change the rules of the game for one specific player, you must be doing something right."

The league's fine system, which was introduced last season, includes a $1,000 fine for each of the first five, $1,500 for the next five, $2,000 for the next five, $2,500 for the ones that follow, and, in addition, a one-game suspension for every other technical after the 15th.

"What happens if I am one of the captains?" Wallace asked the News. "Does that mean I can't talk to them? You can't talk back to them like they're your mom and dad. It's like they're saying, 'If you say something to me I am going to put you on punishment.' That's how it is. I will come up with some way to tell them how I feel."

Wallace was issued 16 technical fouls last season and a one-game suspension. It's reasonable to think, if referees consistently show zero tolerance, he could double that total.

"It'll be an adjustment for everybody in the league," the Heat's Dwyane Wade told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

Heat coach Pat Riley believes players will still be able to express their opinions to officials, but will have to police their body language and tone of voice.

"They are going to be very conscious of player complaining," Riley said last week. "That's one of the big things with them. Every call, there's always 10 guys complaining to the officials. They're just telling them to cut it out."

Kori Ellis
10-30-2006, 12:23 PM
Old news.

FromWayDowntown
10-30-2006, 12:29 PM
I've seen hundreds of NBA games in the last few years and will be thankful if the league actually enforces this rule. The Spurs have gotten very, very bad about allowing themselves to become involved with officials in the last few years. In 1999 and 2003, I thought they were excellent about picking their spots to complain. The last few years, it's been much, much more pronounced from them, I think.

But, it's not as if they're alone in that. Every NBA team has its complainers and it does seem like every game is burdened by players carping to officials about calls and no-calls. What's problematic, I think, is that aside from slowing the game down, when the more established veterans start yelling at the less experienced officials, they actually tend to influence calls, which then gets the older officials to start with make-up calls, which just gets old.

Shut up and play.

ponky
10-30-2006, 12:32 PM
I've seen hundreds of NBA games in the last few years and will be thankful if the league actually enforces this rule. The Spurs have gotten very, very bad about allowing themselves to become involved with officials in the last few years. In 1999 and 2003, I thought they were excellent about picking their spots to complain. The last few years, it's been much, much more pronounced from them, I think.

But, it's not as if they're alone in that. Every NBA team has its complainers and it does seem like every game is burdened by players carping to officials about calls and no-calls. What's problematic, I think, is that aside from slowing the game down, when the more established veterans start yelling at the less experienced officials, they actually tend to influence calls, which then gets the older officials to start with make-up calls, which just gets old.

Shut up and play.


I agree with you, I wish everyone would just shut up and play. I think Manu/Duncan whine a lot but I also think Cuban should really stfu and sit faaaaaaaaaar away from the team during games and stop with the crap already. It seems like the enforecement has been for real, at least from what I've seen in pre-season. On the other hand, maybe technicals for all members of an organization should be in effect...two quick technicals on Cuban and he's out for the rest of the game, woohoo!

Joepa
10-30-2006, 01:15 PM
Srsly didn't we talk about this 2 weeks ago?