"Let's Impeach The President"

[SA210]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_McxwuX9Wbs

Neil Young

[boutons_]

While Clinton's impeachment was purely gratuitous, vicious partisan witch-hunting to embarrass Clinton, dubya/dickhead/rummy/condi are impeachable for criminal, murderous lying and incompetence.

[SA210]

Ain't that the truth. :pctoss

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ITZZ6-qCYIE
:depressed

[AFBlue]

There's no proof that he intentionally misled the public. Surely he had an agenda to spread democracy and saw Iraq as a threat, but he utilized intelligence from the CIA to inform the public of the threat that Sadam posed.

This information turned out to be faulty, and there was turnover in that organization because of it.

Do I believe President Bush considered Iraq a legitimate threat? Yes.

Do I believe he was wrong? Yes.

Do I believe he analyzed all intelligence from Iraq before making a decision? Probably not.

Do I believe he made intelligence up to justify his position? No. However illegitimate the intelligence, his claims were supported from within the CIA.

So he didn't lie, and he didn't intentionally mislead.

Impeaching him for incompetence is another story....but I hardly think that'll happen seeing as how he was Re-elected by the popular majority in the midst of this conflict.

Oh and on Clinton, he did lie to the public...intentionally. However, I thought his impeachment was rediculous.

[Spurminator]

You know what would REALLY rally Democrat voters for next week's election? If all of you got together with your "Impeach Bush" and "Bush is a Nazi" and "Buck Fush" banners and marched on the streets. You could have Neil Young and the Dixie Chicks perform concerts, and you could do it in all the busy intersections of major cities.

You could have Michael Moore film and Cindy Sheehan speak. It would really do a lot towards motivating voters to kick the Republicans out of Washington. Much more so than keeping your mouths shut and letting rational Democrats be the voice of the party.

[clambake]

YOu don't think Niger was a flat out lie?

You don't think Saddam holding meetings with terrorist in Germany was a flat out lie?

Hopeless people.

[AFBlue]

YOu don't think Niger was a flat out lie?

You don't think Saddam holding meetings with terrorist in Germany was a flat out lie?

Hopeless people.

He put his trust in the intelligence community and they let him down. Blame the intel.

[clambake]

That was not intelligence letting him down, that was collusion to fabricate.

Not a big deal now, considering our troops are taking orders from Al-Sadr.

How many of our kids has he sent home in boxes? 1000?

[JoeChalupa]

Better to burn out than to fade away.

[boutons_]

"Do I believe President Bush considered Iraq a legitimate threat?"

The decision by dickhead/perle/feith/rummy and whatever other neo-cons to invade Iraq was made BEFORE 9/11 and BEFORE dubya was even elected in 2000. And I bet dubya, known by the smart Repug puppet-meisters to be a dumbfuck tool, was not a signficienart part of that evil cabal.

WHIG cherry-picked the intelligence and coerced the intel they wanted to make their bogus case, and suppressed and/or classified all serious doubts BY INTEL about the WHIG's cherry-pickings. That is profoundly, blatantly dishonest. Impeach the motherfuckers.

[AFBlue]

That was not intelligence letting him down, that was collusion to fabricate.

Not a big deal now, considering our troops are taking orders from Al-Sadr.

How many of our kids has he sent home in boxes? 1000?

I understand that this is a war that would not have been if President Bush and the current administration were not in office, but I don't think he did anything illegal, and therefore impeachable.

He got us into this mess and he's going to see it through to 2008. For right now though, the voters, the media, and the congress, must continually put pressure on him and the administration to develop a "way ahead" not filled with political jargon and immeasurables. That is the only way to improve the situation in Iraq.

To impeach him would create chaos on the ground in Iraq where there is already crisis.

[clambake]

Your right.

Lets just give him a pass, and a fresca.

[Ocotillo]

He put his trust in the intelligence community and they let him down. Blame the intel.

Blame the intel and give him the "Medal of Freedom". Heckuva a job you're doing there Georgie Tenet.

[AFBlue]

Your right.

Lets just give him a pass, and a fresca.

Dubya's from Texas...he don't drink nuthin but a DP.

[xrayzebra]

You know what would REALLY rally Democrat voters for next week's election? If all of you got together with your "Impeach Bush" and "Bush is a Nazi" and "Buck Fush" banners and marched on the streets. You could have Neil Young and the Dixie Chicks perform concerts, and you could do it in all the busy intersections of major cities.

You could have Michael Moore film and Cindy Sheehan speak. It would really do a lot towards motivating voters to kick the Republicans out of Washington. Much more so than keeping your mouths shut and letting rational Democrats be the voice of the party.


At least they would show their real plan for
the country. Impeach Bush and Cut and Run
in Iraq.

Like Rush said, wonder if we should put out an
Amber Alert for Pelosi, she seems to be missing
along with Harry (the realtor) Reid. But
they still have their other mouth piece. JFK.
That is John F. Kerry, the wounded war hero.

[Nbadan]

Do I believe he made intelligence up to justify his position? No. However illegitimate the intelligence, his claims were supported from within the CIA.

So he didn't lie, and he didn't intentionally mislead.

The intelligence wasn't faulty, it was just cherry-picked.

1. UN weapons inspectors who were ordered out by the Bush Administration before Gulf War 2, never found evidence of a active WMD program, clandestine or other-wise. Saddam was giving inspectors full, unfeathered access and as has been reported here this week, he capitulated to all U.S., and UN demands.

2. One of Saddam's son-in-laws who was in charge of the WMD program defected to the U.S. before the war and told the U.N. and the U.S. that Saddam had destroyed him WMD stockpile after Gulf War 1.

3. Intelligence from Russia, China, France contradicted what cherry-picked US intelligence was getting through the M$M to the general consuming public and to Senators on the intelligence Committee.

The reasons Dubya should have had serious suspicions that the intelligence he was getting was faulty go on and on and on....but it didn't matter, because PNAC wanted this war as a staging ground for emplamenting Cheney's TOP SECRET energy plan against Iran and the rest of the ME and Caspien Sea region.

[Nbadan]

Off the wagon?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20061102/capt.sge.hxk49.021106182004.photo00.photo.default-419x512.jpg

[PixelPusher]

Off the wagon?

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20061102/capt.sge.hxk49.021106182004.photo00.photo.default-419x512.jpg


Really Nbadan, it's not cool to make fun of people with Wernicke–Korsakoff Syndrome (http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa63/aa63.htm)



People who have been drinking large amounts of alcohol for long periods of time run the risk of developing serious and persistent changes in the brain. Damage may be a result of the direct effects of alcohol on the brain or may result indirectly, from a poor general health status or from severe liver disease.

The symptoms of Wernicke’s encephalopathy include mental confusion, paralysis of the nerves that move the eyes (i.e., oculomotor disturbances), and difficulty with muscle coordination. For example, patients with Wernicke’s encephalopathy may be too confused to find their way out of a room or may not even be able to walk.
http://www.bigeddieradio.com/data/upfiles/news/Bush%20in%20China%2011-21-05.jpg

Many Wernicke’s encephalopathy patients, however, do not exhibit all three of these signs and symptoms, and clinicians working with alcoholics must be aware that this disorder may be present even if the patient shows only one or two of them. In fact, studies performed after death indicate that many cases of thiamine deficiency–related encephalopathy may not be diagnosed in life because not all the “classic” signs and symptoms were present or recognized.
Human Brain

Approximately 80 to 90 percent of alcoholics with Wernicke’s encephalopathy also develop Korsakoff’s psychosis, a chronic and debilitating syndrome characterized by persistent learning and memory problems. Patients with Korsakoff’s psychosis are forgetful and quickly frustrated and have difficulty with walking and coordination (17). Although these patients have problems remembering old information (i.e., retrograde amnesia), it is their difficulty in “laying down” new information (i.e., anterograde amnesia) that is the most striking. For example, these patients can discuss in detail an event in their lives, but an hour later might not remember ever having the conversation.
(Stay the course...stay the course...stay the course...we've never been 'stay the course'...")

[Guru of Nothing]

Better to burn out than to fade away.

I've seen the leader and the damage done.

[RandomGuy]

The symptoms of Wernicke’s encephalopathy include mental confusion, paralysis of the nerves that move the eyes (i.e., oculomotor disturbances), and difficulty with muscle coordination. For example, patients with Wernicke’s encephalopathy may be too confused to find their way out of a room or may not even be able to walk.


Many Wernicke’s encephalopathy patients, however, do not exhibit all three of these signs and symptoms, and clinicians working with alcoholics must be aware that this disorder may be present even if the patient shows only one or two of them. In fact, studies performed after death indicate that many cases of thiamine deficiency–related encephalopathy may not be diagnosed in life because not all the “classic” signs and symptoms were present or recognized.
Human Brain

Approximately 80 to 90 percent of alcoholics with Wernicke’s encephalopathy also develop Korsakoff’s psychosis, a chronic and debilitating syndrome characterized by persistent learning and memory problems. Patients with Korsakoff’s psychosis are forgetful and quickly frustrated and have difficulty with walking and coordination (17). Although these patients have problems remembering old information (i.e., retrograde amnesia), it is their difficulty in “laying down” new information (i.e., anterograde amnesia) that is the most striking. For example, these patients can discuss in detail an event in their lives, but an hour later might not remember ever having the conversation.

Such things would help explain some things that our Pres does. He has had a few run-ins with other bicyclists and objects. That would indicate some of the physical coordination problems.

Bush stays away from the press because he is quite obviously "easily frustrated", and his entire adult life seems to have a problem learning new information.

it is their difficulty in “laying down” new information (i.e., anterograde amnesia) that is the most striking. For example, these patients can discuss in detail an event in their lives, but an hour later might not remember ever having the conversation.

There is quite a bit of evidence to suggest heavy drinking for a good chunk of his early adult life. The other drugs he used in this time period, such as cocaine, may have had some effect on this as well.

HONESTY CHECK

The large stresses involved with the Job of the Presidency may indeed help explain these symptoms (frustration, difficulty learning and remembering).

BUT

Given the overall state of the mans physical health, this seems unlikely.

I feel it is probable we have indeed elected a president with a mild form of brain damage.

[AFBlue]

:lol hey random, nice vid at the end of your post.

Is that rush doing an impersonation of MJ Fox while calling the parkinson's-riddled actor a fake?

[RandomGuy]

:lol hey random, nice vid at the end of your post.

Is that rush doing an impersonation of MJ Fox while calling the parkinson's-riddled actor a fake?

It is indeed.

Must confess it is someone else's doing (pixelpusher if I remember correctly).

[AFBlue]

It is indeed.

Must confess it is someone else's doing (pixelpusher if I remember correctly).


That's awesome....man what an idiot!

[George Gervin's Afro]

In other words for the Bush lovers on this board don't blame Bush. Just because he is the guy who started this mess don't blame him. He simply got bad info..oh well..

[Yonivore]

In other words for the Bush lovers on this board don't blame Bush. Just because he is the guy who started this mess don't blame him. He simply got bad info..oh well..
I guess you didn't hear. The New York Times validated the administration's rationale for invading Iraq, just this morning.

Thanks for playing though.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The intelligence wasn't faulty, it was just cherry-picked.

1. UN weapons inspectors who were ordered out by the Bush Administration before Gulf War 2, never found evidence of a active WMD program, clandestine or other-wise. Saddam was giving inspectors full, unfeathered access and as has been reported here this week, he capitulated to all U.S., and UN demands.

2. One of Saddam's son-in-laws who was in charge of the WMD program defected to the U.S. before the war and told the U.N. and the U.S. that Saddam had destroyed him WMD stockpile after Gulf War 1.

3. Intelligence from Russia, China, France contradicted what cherry-picked US intelligence was getting through the M$M to the general consuming public and to Senators on the intelligence Committee.

The reasons Dubya should have had serious suspicions that the intelligence he was getting was faulty go on and on and on....but it didn't matter, because PNAC wanted this war as a staging ground for emplamenting Cheney's TOP SECRET energy plan against Iran and the rest of the ME and Caspien Sea region.



No, No, No..we told Saddam to prove to us that he did not have WMDS?

:wtf

[George Gervin's Afro]

I guess you didn't hear. The New York Times validated the administration's rationale for invading Iraq, just this morning.

Thanks for playing though.



The same New York Times you claim has no credibility? Ok let's set the premise for your duration on this board..Is the New York Times a reliable source when it comes to Bush? Yes or No..

[Yonivore]

The same New York Times you claim has no credibility? Ok let's set the premise for your duration on this board..Is the New York Times a reliable source when it comes to Bush? Yes or No..
Well, in this case you have the NYTimes referencing documents that were in the public domain for a bit...it wasn't their usual "according to unnamed sources" M.O. So, go figure. I guess even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.

I can just imagine the conversation being had at the Times this afternoon.

"We did what? Fuck!"

[boutons_]

Were those blueprints radioactive?

Was the delivery system that Saddam was going to use to drop them on the USA?

Iraq with all its oil $$$ and no embargo is expected to be 5 - 10 years from a nuclear bomb while Saddam was going to have one in the immediate future after March 2003? GMAFB

There was no threat in Iraq before the invasion, and there was no actual threat in Iraq found by the invaders. Saddam and his ability to threaten the USA were completely harmless.

iow, we did have Saddam successfully tied down "over there" so we wouldn't have to fight him "over here".

Invading Iraq in March 03 was not because there was an immediate threat that could only be dealt with by invastion, but because Rove wanted to get dubya re-elected as a "war president".

And dubya, after losing the popular vote by 600K in 2000, wont the 2004 vote by the smallest margin ever by a sitting president. ie, the "war president" tactic worked just enough. Too fucking bad about the US military who died to get dubya re-elected.

[smeagol]

You know what would REALLY rally Democrat voters for next week's election? If all of you got together with your "Impeach Bush" and "Bush is a Nazi" and "Buck Fush" banners and marched on the streets. You could have Neil Young and the Dixie Chicks perform concerts, and you could do it in all the busy intersections of major cities.

You could have Michael Moore film and Cindy Sheehan speak. It would really do a lot towards motivating voters to kick the Republicans out of Washington. Much more so than keeping your mouths shut and letting rational Democrats be the voice of the party.
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