Why isn't there more Mccoy for Heisman talk?

[TheTruth]

I've heard a few people talk about it, but gotdamn if he isn't putting up a huge year. In a season where there isn't that one guy that is getting all they hype (i mean damn, Troy Smith is the favorite right now), shouldn't Colt at least be invited to the ceremony?

McCoy - 170/246 2051yds 69.1% 8.34avg 27TD 4INT 12sack 172.10RAT

Quinn - 216/338 2579yds 63.9% 7.63avg 25TD 4INT 24sack 150.04RAT

Smith - 158/237 2006yds 66.7% 8.46avg 22TD 3INT 11SACK 165.87RAT

[Horry For 3!]

Yeah, Colt McCoy is bad ass. He already broke the Texas passing TD record with 27 and will add onto that the next 2 games. Also he is only a freshman....Vince had 26 passing TDs last season.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

hehe

Yeah, I've been asking this all season. If you compared Colt's numbers to Troy's like three weeks ago they were close, now he completely statistically superior to troy smith. But first of all....they never give the nod to freshmen, and always give the highest nods to seniors. So that seperates them right there. But most importantly, like team rankings, the "preseason ranking" of heisman candidates determines most of the outcome. Basically, the real reason Troy Smith is going to win the heisman (besides his team's record) is because he was ranked number 1 candidate.

To put it another way, he's going to win the heisman because the pundits predicted he would win the heisman. It's fucking stupid, but hey we're talking about NCAA football here.

They show us Troy Smith highlights of him scramling and throwing a TD pass. BFD! Every QB does that. What is it that truely makes him this season's reggie bush? His highlights are mediocre for a heisman candidate, and his stats are not stunning whatsoever.

If mccoy were a senior entering this season I garuntee you we'd have alot of Smith vs McCoy hype for the heisman.

[scott]

One loss is enough to do in a freshman's Heisman hopes, whether that is "fair" or not.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

True that. I dont think he deserves it at all, but so far, i dont think anyone deserves it either. lol.

[Bob Lanier]

Brady Quinn is Jesus's choice.

And, like Jesus, he's lily-white.

[Brutalis]

Are you fucking kidding me? Why isn't their Darren McFadden talk?

[BeerIsGood!]

This is exactly why they Heisman is such a meaningless award. People make a big deal about it, but it is just a glorified, male beauty pageant. The downtown athletic club is a bunch of worthless old fuckers who need not have anything to do with college football. Here's my ideas for 2007:

1) Completely do away with the Heisman.

2) Keep the Bowl system, but use the "BCS" Bowls to decide the national champion in a top 4 team playoff. Two bowls for the semi-final, and one a week later for the national championship.

Easy as pie.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

But they couldn't do something like that BiG cuz that would make sense.

[dallaskd]

Your exactly right. But the thing is the East coast media doesn't give a shit about Texas. If you watched and followed every Texas game last year you would see Vince Young was the Heisman winner. Pulled comebacks out of his ass against OSU, Kansas, Ohio State, ect...But all the damn media pays attention to is big East Coast-West Coast teams. I'll admit though Reggie Bush had some hella-tight runs last year,but you can't say that Reggie Bush's man hump on Matt Leinart to push him into the endzone vs Notre Dame is any better than VY's amazing pump fake run for 70-80 some yards for a TD to keep us in the game. But who gets all the attention? Reggie Bush. This year? Brady Queer? Not Saying schools like Michigan, Notre Dame, Miami are bad schools but they get all the attention. I do think Troy Smith is the Heisman this year(gets the notch since he beat McCoy head to head), but McCoy should be #2 since Peterson and Bush are out for the season. The Heisman is the biggest award in college sports....?....yet its the most unfairly decited award in all of sports.oh well....But at least next year we can gladly say....Colt McCoy for Heisman Baby!!!!!!!!!!!

[THE SIXTH MAN]

This is exactly why they Heisman is such a meaningless award.
:tu

[NoMoneyDown]

The Heisman is a joke these days. It isn't what it used to be as witnessed by last year's total ignorance of Vince Young. I could have taken him getting 2nd to Bush in the Heisman voting, but Bush winning by the biggest margin in Heisman history? That's just pathetic. Of course, Vince proved why the Heisman is nothing but a tarnished peice of metal by rolling all over the Trojans in the Rose Bowl. Or, as I like to put it ...

Two vs. None and still couldn't get it done.

BTW, I don't think a Freshman has ever won a Hiesman, have they? I think even as a Sophomore, you have to almost be walking on water for the Heisman folks to even consider you. So, unless Colt not only breaks records, but breaks them and then some, he won't even be considered. Maybe not even next year.

[JoeChalupa]

One loss is enough to do in a freshman's Heisman hopes, whether that is "fair" or not.

I concur.

[JoeChalupa]

Meaningless? Yeah, that's why the top players in the country ignore it. :rolleyes

[BeerIsGood!]

The only reason anyone cares about the heisman is because of the media hype and attention that it gets. All players care about is positive exposure, because that is what get's them drafted higher and makes them more money. To the actual game of football and people who are true fans - the award means nothing. Winning is all that matters.

[whottt]

If they were going to give it to a QB just on the basis of rating the guy for Hawaii would be the unanimous choice.

McCoy plays on an extremely talented team and is just now making a name for himself...

His stats aren't eyepopping enough to get any Hesiman talk.

Although...if he does set the NCAA record for TD's by a freshman, you'll probably start hearing his name mentioned.

[tlongII]

The Big 12 sucks ass! Put him in a decent conference like the Pac-10 and see what kind of numbers he would put up.

[MajorMike]

Wait, where the the Ark homer to say how he would be crap in the SEC?

[NoMoneyDown]

The Big 12 sucks ass! Put him in a decent conference like the Pac-10 and see what kind of numbers he would put up.

LMAO!!!!!





Oh wait, you were serious??? :sleep

[BeerIsGood!]

Pac 10?? Oregon beat Ok. in Oregon by cheating alone, Oregon State took out the vastly overrated USC, and CAL is very good but inconsistent. I wouldn't say that the Big 12 is better, but the Pac 10 is definitely not better.

[tlongII]

The Pac 10 is the best conference in all of college football. Check the Sagarin ratings.

[NoMoneyDown]

Check the Sagarin ratings.

Anyone except Pac-10 pundits know that Sagarin is biased to anyone west of the Rockies. I don't think he had Texas ranked #1 all last year until they beat USC in the Rose Bowl.

[leemajors]

if he keeps these types of nums up he will be mentioned next year for sure.

[BeerIsGood!]

The Pac 10 is the best conference in all of college football. Check the Sagarin ratings.
:lmao That's the best argument you have? I'd probably trust JGW's dumb statements about as much as this fool. Weak. Very Weak.

[samikeyp]

Colt 4 Heisman!


Ok...maybe in a couple of years. :)


Oh and Brut....Kirk Herbstreit has been talking up your boy for a few weeks now.

[MajorMike]

:lmao That's the best argument you have? I'd probably trust JGW's dumb statements about as much as this fool. Weak. Very Weak.


Actually, most every major service ranks the P10 as the #1 conf this year.

Sagarin:
1 PAC-10 (A) = 80.85 80.20 ( 1) 10
2 BIG EAST (A) = 78.00 78.95 ( 2) 8
3 SOUTHEASTERN (A) = 77.97 78.01 ( 3) 12
4 BIG TEN (A) = 76.45 77.73 ( 4) 11
5 ATLANTIC COAST (A) = 75.22 73.73 ( 6) 12
6 BIG 12 (A) = 73.98 74.12 ( 5) 12

BCS
1 Pac-10 0.5672 16 10 0.6154 180 124 0.5921 1681 1903 0.4690 0.5511 37.20
2 ACC 0.5150 25 17 0.5952 241 234 0.5074 2545 3110 0.4500 0.4883 50.58
3 SEC 0.5131 32 10 0.7619 204 280 0.4215 2570 3175 0.4473 0.4301 37.92
4 Big East 0.5069 26 8 0.7647 156 227 0.4073 2031 2501 0.4481 0.4209 37.25
5 Big Ten 0.5049 27 12 0.6923 189 238 0.4426 2280 2878 0.4420 0.4424 43.82
6 Big 12 0.4736 24 16 0.6000 200 259 0.4357 2331 3180 0.4230 0.4315 52.92

Massey
PAC 10
BIG EAST
BIG TEN
SEC
ACC
BIG 12

Nolan:
1 Pac 10 I-A 73.9262 20 9 0.8000 California
2 Big East I-A 76.1191 32 8 0.8333 Louisville
3 SEC I-A 74.8496 35 7 0.7381 Arkansas
4 Big Ten I-A 74.3899 31 11 0.6897 Michigan
5 ACC I-A 71.9247 27 15 0.6429 Georgia Tech
6 Big XII I-A 71.7415 33 15 0.6875 Texas

Greenfield:
PACIFICTEN AVERAGE = 37.4
BIGTEN AVERAGE = 36.4
SEC AVERAGE = 36.0
BIGEAST AVERAGE = 34.5
ACC AVERAGE = 27.0
BIGTWELVE AVERAGE = 26.8

[BeerIsGood!]

Actually, most every major service ranks the P10 as the #1 conf this year.

Sagarin:
1 PAC-10 (A) = 80.85 80.20 ( 1) 10
2 BIG EAST (A) = 78.00 78.95 ( 2) 8
3 SOUTHEASTERN (A) = 77.97 78.01 ( 3) 12
4 BIG TEN (A) = 76.45 77.73 ( 4) 11
5 ATLANTIC COAST (A) = 75.22 73.73 ( 6) 12
6 BIG 12 (A) = 73.98 74.12 ( 5) 12

BCS
1 Pac-10 0.5672 16 10 0.6154 180 124 0.5921 1681 1903 0.4690 0.5511 37.20
2 ACC 0.5150 25 17 0.5952 241 234 0.5074 2545 3110 0.4500 0.4883 50.58
3 SEC 0.5131 32 10 0.7619 204 280 0.4215 2570 3175 0.4473 0.4301 37.92
4 Big East 0.5069 26 8 0.7647 156 227 0.4073 2031 2501 0.4481 0.4209 37.25
5 Big Ten 0.5049 27 12 0.6923 189 238 0.4426 2280 2878 0.4420 0.4424 43.82
6 Big 12 0.4736 24 16 0.6000 200 259 0.4357 2331 3180 0.4230 0.4315 52.92

Massey
PAC 10
BIG EAST
BIG TEN
SEC
ACC
BIG 12

Nolan:
1 Pac 10 I-A 73.9262 20 9 0.8000 California
2 Big East I-A 76.1191 32 8 0.8333 Louisville
3 SEC I-A 74.8496 35 7 0.7381 Arkansas
4 Big Ten I-A 74.3899 31 11 0.6897 Michigan
5 ACC I-A 71.9247 27 15 0.6429 Georgia Tech
6 Big XII I-A 71.7415 33 15 0.6875 Texas

Greenfield:
PACIFICTEN AVERAGE = 37.4
BIGTEN AVERAGE = 36.4
SEC AVERAGE = 36.0
BIGEAST AVERAGE = 34.5
ACC AVERAGE = 27.0
BIGTWELVE AVERAGE = 26.8

This is a perfect example of why numbers and computers should never be used in college football to determine anything. You're gonna tell me that the Pac 10 and Big 10 are better conferences with better overall teams than the SEC? I'm not an SEC fan, but there is no way that I would want conference schedule that included Florida, Auburn, Ark, Tenn, LSU, hell even SC. That is absolutely crazy. Just goes to show that you can manipulate numbers to show you what you are looking for. Change a few things here and there and the SEC would be #1. Change a few more and the Big 12 would be #1.

[johngateswhiteley]

I've heard a few people talk about it, but gotdamn if he isn't putting up a huge year. In a season where there isn't that one guy that is getting all they hype (i mean damn, Troy Smith is the favorite right now), shouldn't Colt at least be invited to the ceremony?

McCoy - 170/246 2051yds 69.1% 8.34avg 27TD 4INT 12sack 172.10RAT

Quinn - 216/338 2579yds 63.9% 7.63avg 25TD 4INT 24sack 150.04RAT

Smith - 158/237 2006yds 66.7% 8.46avg 22TD 3INT 11SACK 165.87RAT

...you can't honestly believe McCoy should be a Heisman candidate? you can't honestly believe that.

:lol

[tlongII]

This is a perfect example of why numbers and computers should never be used in college football to determine anything. You're gonna tell me that the Pac 10 and Big 10 are better conferences with better overall teams than the SEC? I'm not an SEC fan, but there is no way that I would want conference schedule that included Florida, Auburn, Ark, Tenn, LSU, hell even SC. That is absolutely crazy. Just goes to show that you can manipulate numbers to show you what you are looking for. Change a few things here and there and the SEC would be #1. Change a few more and the Big 12 would be #1.


The Pac-10 is better than the SEC. No doubt about it.

[LB7]

...you can't honestly believe McCoy should be a Heisman candidate? you can't honestly believe that.

:lol
Well, I'm gonna go with your opinion since you have been right on the money with so many things lately :rolleyes

[johngateswhiteley]

Well, I'm gonna go with your opinion since you have been right on the money with so many things lately :rolleyes


that isn't my opinion. i only said that cause a tea-sip, whom shall remain unnamed, said the same thing about A&M being a top 25 team.

...as for my opinion. i think McCoy is having one HELLUVA year. i am actually really impressed...though the Heisman is not all about #s, its about leadership and wins, i think McCoy could be a candidate this year.

he will be next year, thats for sure.

[Ballcox]

^ The kid has thrown 27 fucking TD's with 4 int's, he's lead comebacks against ou in Dallas, in the 4th quarter against a 20mph wind with snow in Lincoln against Nebraska, and against a tough to beat at home Tech team. He's shown me he's a leader and is making better and better decisions every game. I do think he's worthy of Heisman consideration, but he's not at a level of play where he will actually win.

[johngateswhiteley]

^ The kid has thrown 27 fucking TD's with 4 int's, he's lead comebacks against ou in Dallas, in the 4th quarter against a 20mph wind with snow in Lincoln against Nebraska, and against a tough to beat at home Tech team. He's shown me he's a leader and is making better and better decisions every game. I do think he's worthy of Heisman consideration, but he's not at a level of play where he will actually win.

1. i said he should be a candidate
2. he is having a helluva year
3. i never said he was not a leader, he's just not THE leader that Smith and Quinn are

...was there anything wrong with my post?

[TheTruth]

...you can't honestly believe McCoy should be a Heisman candidate? you can't honestly believe that.





1. i said he should be a candidate
2. he is having a helluva year
3. i never said he was not a leader, he's just not THE leader that Smith and Quinn are

...was there anything wrong with my post?
Let me Preface this by saying that I absolutely hate UT (Colorado Buffs Family)
What the hell makes Smith and Quinn anymore the leader that Mccoy is. You in there team meetings? You in the huddle? Sounds to me like your a bitter A&M fan. You have zero take on anything NFL or College. At least stick to one opinion and stand by it. I seriously don't know why I even responded to you.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

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BidDaddyMAtty: Today in the okie morning news mccoy responded to this 'talk' that apparently is out there (we're just not hearing it). He said that he should not even be slightly considered, and that he gives his teammates and coaches all the credit. Mack Brown dismissed the talk as well, saying the heisman is a "junior/senior award".

[Holmes_Fans]

JWG loses all credibility with that ugly ass girl in his avatar, tlong to with a nasty ass pic of Jessica Alba

[BeerIsGood!]

The Pac-10 is better than the SEC. No doubt about it.

Sure thing buddy. You're delusional.

[mookie2001]

I never heismaned colt

JGW you cant honestly believe mccoys numbers arent as good or better than quinn or troy smith

[NoMoneyDown]

This is a perfect example of why numbers and computers should never be used in college football to determine anything. You're gonna tell me that the Pac 10 and Big 10 are better conferences with better overall teams than the SEC? I'm not an SEC fan, but there is no way that I would want conference schedule that included Florida, Auburn, Ark, Tenn, LSU, hell even SC. That is absolutely crazy. Just goes to show that you can manipulate numbers to show you what you are looking for. Change a few things here and there and the SEC would be #1. Change a few more and the Big 12 would be #1.

Without each team in the country playing every other team, it is all subjective analysis anyway. I could sit here and spew stats on why I feel the Big East should be the #1 conference, while you could do the same with the SEC, and Joe blow down the road does it for the Big-10, and so on. In actuality it's all pretty much meaningless anyway, except for the die-hard fan who feels the need to pound his chest and say HIS conference is better than yours. They don't give out any awards for best conference at the end of the year or anything - do they?

:drunk

[samikeyp]

They don't give out any awards for best conference at the end of the year or anything - do they?

nope...as with a lot of things in sports, its all subjective and not fact....but, it provides grist for the mill that is the message board. :)

[tlongII]

Sure thing buddy. You're delusional.

Apparently every rating service in the country is as well.

[BeerIsGood!]

Without each team in the country playing every other team, it is all subjective analysis anyway. I could sit here and spew stats on why I feel the Big East should be the #1 conference, while you could do the same with the SEC, and Joe blow down the road does it for the Big-10, and so on. In actuality it's all pretty much meaningless anyway, except for the die-hard fan who feels the need to pound his chest and say HIS conference is better than yours. They don't give out any awards for best conference at the end of the year or anything - do they?

:drunk


Just goes to show that you can manipulate numbers to show you what you are looking for. Change a few things here and there and the SEC would be #1. Change a few more and the Big 12 would be #1.

We're pretty much saying the same thing. But to ask you a question - if you had a conference vs. conference matchup (sort of like the Big 10 v. ACC Challenge in CBB) where the top SEC team played the top Pac 10 team, 2nd SEC team played 2nd Pac 10 Team, and so on - would you take the SEC or Pac 10 to win the series?

CAL v. Florida
USC v. Arkansas (rematch)
Oregon v. Auburn
Oregon St. v. Tennesee
Washington St. v. LSU
Arizona St. v. Kentucky
Arizona v. Georgia
UCLA v. Alabama
Washington v. South Carolina
Stanford v. Vanderbilt

Of course who has the best conference is close to meaningless, but it's just fun to see who you think would match up.

[BeerIsGood!]

CAL v. Florida (Florida)
USC v. Arkansas (rematch) (USC)
Oregon v. Auburn (Auburn)
Oregon St. v. Tennessee (Tennessee)
Washington St. v. LSU (LSU)
Arizona St. v. Kentucky (Arizona St)
Arizona v. Georgia (Georgia)
UCLA v. Alabama (Alabama)
Washington v. South Carolina (South Carolina)
Stanford v. Vanderbilt (Vanderbilt)

I'd have the SEC 8-2, with USC probably winning and Arizona St. probably beating Kentucky. That's my opinion.

[tlongII]

We're pretty much saying the same thing. But to ask you a question - if you had a conference vs. conference matchup (sort of like the Big 10 v. ACC Challenge in CBB) where the top SEC team played the top Pac 10 team, 2nd SEC team played 2nd Pac 10 Team, and so on - would you take the SEC or Pac 10 to win the series?

CAL v. Florida
USC v. Arkansas (rematch)
Oregon v. Auburn
Oregon St. v. Tennesee
Washington St. v. LSU
Arizona St. v. Kentucky
Arizona v. Georgia
UCLA v. Alabama
Washington v. South Carolina
Stanford v. Vanderbilt

Of course who has the best conference is close to meaningless, but it's just fun to see who you think would match up.

Too much depends on home field advantage. If they're playing on a neutral field the Pac-10 wins every game except Arizona v. Georgia and Stanford v. Vanderbilt.

[Ballcox]

^ John, no, nothing I took offense with concerning your post. I was just making an up arrow in reference to the entire thread and being somewhat forward in putting my opinion about Colt out there. My wildest dreams before the season began was that we could somehow still make a BCS game and not have a QB controversy. So, where we're at now makes me happy as hell, and having a QB like Colt who has preformed so well just makes me want to drool all over myself (which I sometimes do just for fun on the weekends). :smokin

[Brutalis]

The Pac-10 is better than the SEC. No doubt about it.
ROFFLE-LA-MAYO

[samikeyp]

Ok....that ^^^^ was funny!

[tlongII]

ROFFLE-LA-MAYO


Arkansas looked reeeaaaal good against USC.

[dallaskd]

Arkansas looked reeeaaaal good against USC.

Yeah.. but its a shame they LOST!

[NoMoneyDown]

We're pretty much saying the same thing. But to ask you a question - if you had a conference vs. conference matchup (sort of like the Big 10 v. ACC Challenge in CBB) where the top SEC team played the top Pac 10 team, 2nd SEC team played 2nd Pac 10 Team, and so on - would you take the SEC or Pac 10 to win the series?

CAL v. Florida
USC v. Arkansas (rematch)
Oregon v. Auburn
Oregon St. v. Tennesee
Washington St. v. LSU
Arizona St. v. Kentucky
Arizona v. Georgia
UCLA v. Alabama
Washington v. South Carolina
Stanford v. Vanderbilt

Of course who has the best conference is close to meaningless, but it's just fun to see who you think would match up.

Cal vs. Florida - would be an interesting match-up. I couldn't give a good prediction on that game as they are about even, IMHO.

USC vs. Arkansa - USC, but not anything like the first matchup.
Oregon vs. Auburn - Auburn
Oregon St. vs. Tennessee - Tennessee
Washington St. vs. LSU - LSU
Arizona St. vs. Kentucky - Arizona St.
Arizona vs. Georgia - Arizona
UCLA vs. Alabama - Alabama
Washington vs. South Carolina - South Carolina
Stanford vs. Vanderbilt - Vanderbilt

So I have SEC winning 6, the Pac-10 winning 3, and 1 toss-up. But that's just my opinion. Also, like another person said, it all depends on home field advantage, too. My opinions were based on the teams playing on a nuetral field.

[JoeChalupa]

Go Big Ten!!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The Pac-10 is better than the SEC. No doubt about it.


:smchode:
Colt McCoy final season stats:


217/318 2570yards 68.2% 8.08YPA 72LNG 29TD 7INT 14SACK 161.82RAT


Troy Smith final season stats:

203/311 2543yards 65.3% 8.17YPA 58LNG 30TD 6INT 15SACK 158.69RAT


AND THE AWARD TO MOST OUTSTANDING COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER EASILY GOES TO........

[Oscar DeLa]

i dont know what it is but why wasn't there more mccoy for heisman talk?