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BIG IRISH
11-07-2006, 04:15 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-11-05-iraq-games_x.htm



By John Heilprin, Associated Press
WASHINGTON — The U.S. government conducted a series of secret war games in 1999 that anticipated an invasion of Iraq would require 400,000 troops, and even then chaos might ensue.
In its "Desert Crossing" games, 70 military, diplomatic and intelligence officials assumed the high troop levels would be needed to keep order, seal borders and take care of other security needs.

The documents came to light Saturday through a Freedom of Information Act request by the George Washington University's National Security Archive, an independent research institute and library.

"The conventional wisdom is the U.S. mistake in Iraq was not enough troops," said Thomas Blanton, the archive's director. "But the Desert Crossing war game in 1999 suggests we would have ended up with a failed state even with 400,000 troops on the ground."

There are currently about 144,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, down from a peak of about 160,000 in January.

A spokeswoman for U.S. Central Command, which sponsored the seminar and declassified the secret report in 2004, declined to comment Saturday because she was not familiar with the documents.

The war games looked at "worst case" and "most likely" scenarios after a war that removed then-Iraqi President Saddam Hussein from power. Some are similar to what actually occurred after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003:

•"A change in regimes does not guarantee stability," the 1999 seminar briefings said. "A number of factors including aggressive neighbors, fragmentation along religious and/or ethnic lines, and chaos created by rival forces bidding for power could adversely affect regional stability."

•"Even when civil order is restored and borders are secured, the replacement regime could be problematic — especially if perceived as weak, a puppet, or out-of-step with prevailing regional governments."

•"Iran's anti-Americanism could be enflamed by a U.S.-led intervention in Iraq," the briefings read. "The influx of U.S. and other western forces into Iraq would exacerbate worries in Tehran, as would the installation of a pro-western government in Baghdad."

•"The debate on post-Saddam Iraq also reveals the paucity of information about the potential and capabilities of the external Iraqi opposition groups. The lack of intelligence concerning their roles hampers U.S. policy development."

•"Also, some participants believe that no Arab government will welcome the kind of lengthy U.S. presence that would be required to install and sustain a democratic government."

•"A long-term, large-scale military intervention may be at odds with many coalition partners."


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I'm hoping that the American public can, for just once, look beyond their immediate desires to find a politician who brings home pork for the district, and says "what is my congressional representative doing for the country?" We need a Congress that wants to actually pass common-sense legislation, that will actually stand up to the president when he acts like there's only one branch of the federal government. This Republican-led Congress has failed us miserably.

The Military Times editorial pages are calling for Rumsfeld's resignation. Their papers can be found in every Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps base. This is major, considering the source.

Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the uniformed leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public at large. His strategy has failed, and his ability to lead is compromised. And although the blame for our failures in Iraq rests with the secretary, it will be the troops who bear its brunt.

Donald Rumsfeld must go.



The Washington Post's front page has news that Army Reserve and National Guard units will be going to Iraq in increasing numbers. While I am in favor of increasing military personnel in Iraq to get us out quicker, interesting how the administration's waited until after the election to push this option. But since the administration won't increase the active duty strength, this will impact the reserves hard.

And yet this administration can't stop rattling its sabers at Iran. What part of "military overreach" does the White House not understand?

Last, as noted last week, we have the Bush administration and their Repub cronies saying "whoops, sorry, didn't mean to post Saddam's nuclear weapons program details on the internet for the Iranians to learn how to build a better bomb..." And the only thing more pathetic is how the right wing bloggers are trying to spin this as "evidence" that the last three years in Iraq were worth it
Pathetic

ChumpDumper
11-07-2006, 04:27 AM
Rummy used the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan as guinea pigs for his "new" armed forces policies. Rummy sacrificed our troops to prove his pet theory.

Please tell me why you want to keep him.

I'm waiting.

AFE7FATMAN
11-07-2006, 04:52 AM
ChumpDumper

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2333360.php

http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2333360.php

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2333360.php

http://www.airforcetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2333360.php

Even the Army, Navy, Marine. and Air Force times are saying he MUST GO.

I don't think anyone with more than 2 brain cells wants to keep him, except GWB.

However:
Those complaining about the lack of troops in Iraq would also be complaining if half a million had been sent.

A whole generation of "journalists", "academicians" and "politicians" have been "intellectually" formed under a 60s mentality.(See John Kerry)


These Americans have no clue about the connection between international and domestic affairs. They think that only if we concentrate on domestic problems all our international problems will go away, and if we have international problems talking with other countries or working with the usless UN will always solve them.

JoeChalupa
11-07-2006, 06:24 AM
Why is this an issue? Was not the "Mission Accomplished" years ago?

BIG IRISH
11-09-2006, 02:15 AM
got my wish

Nbadan
11-09-2006, 08:21 PM
When did Rummy really decide to leave?

Rummy on Empty: Tony Snow Explains Why Bush Fibbed to Press


NEW YORK Why did President Bush tell a big fat, or white (depending on your perspective), lie a few days before Election Day when he assured wire service reporters that Pentagon chief would serve out his entire term? For one thing, this didn't help Republican candidates around the country who wore Rumsfeld around their necks like an albatross in many parts of the country.

White House press secretary Tony Snow said Thursday morning that Bush did not announce before the election that Rumsfeld was being replaced because journalists likely would have written: "President Bush, down in the polls, jettisons unpopular defense secretary."

Snow said that would have given the misleading impression that the decision to change leaders at the Pentagon was done in haste, or for political reasons. Bush said Wednesday that he had been discussing this scenario with Rumsfeld for some time. It is important to send the right signals not only to the American public, U.S. troops and lawmakers that the president is not making decisions based on political calculations, Snow said.

Snow added, "This decision had been made and was going to happen win, lose or draw for Republicans in the election. There was no epiphany moment, where the two of them said, 'Ah ha, this needs to happen.' "

Editor and Publisher (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003380071)

See, Tuesday loss by the GOP had nothing to do with it!

:lol

xrayzebra
11-09-2006, 10:03 PM
Hey aren't you listening. Your leaders tell you that you
must be nice now. I know, it is going to be hard, but
try. Nancy will love you for it.

Ocotillo
11-09-2006, 10:20 PM
Hey aren't you listening. Your leaders tell you that you
must be nice now. I know, it is going to be hard, but
try. Nancy will love you for it.

Hah! :lol

Nancy extended the hand of bipartisanship and Sean Hannity not only did not accept it, he backhanded her across the face. Movement Conservatives don't believe in compromise so consign them to the broom closets in the Capitol Building. Work with a handful of Reps that are willing to be centrist and screw the Tom Tancredos and John Boehners of the world.

AFE7FATMAN
11-10-2006, 01:58 AM
Hey aren't you listening. Your leaders tell you that you
must be nice now. I know, it is going to be hard, but
try. Nancy will love you for it.

Nancy, gonna love this:

JACKSON, Miss. - A Democratic congressman from New York says he wasn't trying to insult Mississippi in published remarks Thursday, but a Republican colleague from Mississippi says Rep. Charles Rangel should apologize to the state.

Rangel, D-N.Y., was quoted in a Thursday article in The New York Times, saying: "Mississippi gets more than their fair share back in federal money, but who the hell wants to live in Mississippi?" :lol :lol

Seems Trent Lott does Charlie :p:


http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/state/15972549.htm

BIG IRISH
11-10-2006, 03:28 AM
Donald Rumsfeld's abrupt resignation from the Pentagon the day after Republicans lost both chambers of Congress has infuriated some GOP officials on and off Capitol Hill.

Members and staff still reeling from Tuesday's rout are furious about the administration's decision to dump the controversial defense secretary one day after their historic loss, they said in a series of interviews about the election results.

President Bush announced Rumsfeld's resignation on Wednesday and named Bob Gates, a former CIA chief and president of Texas A&M University, as his replacement.

"The White House said keeping the majority was a priority, but they failed to do the one thing that could have made a difference," one House GOP leadership aide said Thursday. "For them to toss Rumsfeld one day after the election was a slap in the face to everyone who worked hard to protect the majority."

Exit polling suggested that an overwhelming majority of voters disapproved of the administration's handling of the war in Iraq, and members and aides were frustrated with the timing of the announcement because an earlier resignation could have given them a boost on the campaign trail, they believe.

"They did this to protect themselves, but they couldn't protect us?" another Republican aide said yesterday.

White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten called outgoing House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) on Wednesday morning to notify him of the move, Hastert spokesman Ron Bonjean said Thursday. A spokesman for House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said the White House also notified the House leader before the news was announced.

Citing the various scandals that have roiled the Republican Congress, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow Thursday downplayed the impact of the war in Iraq on Tuesday's election.

"The voters said, 'You know what, we expect you to come to Washington and do the people's business,'" Snow said during his regular press briefing Thursday. "And when people lose sight of that, voters tend to remind them of the priorities. That's 10 seats right there."

I agree with this, in fact I think CNN reported this as the #1 reason, with the war in iraq as the # 3.

The working relationship between Bush and congressional Republicans will be an interesting subplot for the next Congress as the GOP adjusts to its new role in the minority.

Relations between the president and Republicans on the Hill have frayed dramatically since he began his second term, with GOP lawmakers placing increased blame on the administration for its perceived inability to reach to members and staff on legislation, personnel moves and its interpretation of the legal code in the detention and interrogation of suspected terrorists.

Republicans cite the fumbled rollout of Social Security reform, the administration's continued support of comprehensive immigration reform and the president's insistence to defend American involvement in Iraq on the campaign trail.
They just don't get it.

There were also very public spats between Hastert and the administration over an FBI raid on Rep. William Jefferson's (D-La.) congressional office and a major split over the near acquisition of port operations in six major cities by a firm based in Dubai.

Bush met with Boehner, House Majority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), and Senate Majority Whip Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) Thursday morning.

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/110906/rumsfeld2.html