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milkyway21
11-09-2006, 01:42 AM
'Back off'

Players want the NBA to back off with the technicals
Posted: Wednesday November 8, 2006 7:54PM; Updated: Wednesday November 8, 2006 7:54PM

NEW YORK (AP) -- Now, NBA players are fed up with what's happening after the whistle.

With technical foul calls nearly doubled compared to the same point last season, union director Billy Hunter wants commissioner David Stern to lighten up on the NBA's crackdown on complaining -- or he might even seek legal action against the league.



Players are fined for every technical foul they receive, and there were 122 of them called through the first 51 games of the season, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. There were 66 through 50 games last season.

"You say you want to deter it, curtail that kind of conduct on the court and now it's kind of dipped down so the slightest little inclination ... a guy throws his hands up, the refs are now calling a tech," Hunter said. "So I really think it's incumbent upon the commissioner to kind of tell the referees, instruct them they got to back off a little bit."

And if he doesn't?

"I think what may ultimately happen if it continues to occur is we will probably be compelled to bring an unfair labor practice action or something," Hunter told The Associated Press. "Try to seek some relief, at least to have the issue either heard or at least elevated so that it gets a lot more public attention than it's currently getting."

It has received plenty already. It had to share the spotlight with the controversy over the new game ball during the preseason, but the issue moved to the front once the real games started and teams began realizing the impact it was having on them.

Denver and Sacramento lost their leading scorers when Carmelo Anthony and Mike Bibby were ejected from their season openers. Rasheed Wallace wasted no time getting tossed, but even well-mannered players such as Dwyane Wade and Tim Duncan have been hit with technicals along the way, as has Kobe Bryant.

So much for special treatment for the superstars, which is the way the league planned it.

"What the referees were instructed to do was apply the rule across the board without regard to individual players," executive vice president of operations Stu Jackson said. "They're instructed to apply the rule fairly with all players and call what they see."

The NBA made the post-whistle actions a point of emphasis when Stern grew tired of watching players overreact, verbally and physically, after calls went against them. It's been called a "zero-tolerance" policy, which the league objects to.

But that's exactly the way it feels to many players.

"It's crazy because guys are so passionate about the game," Hornets guard Chris Paul said. "I know myself, it's not that you're always trying to show the ref up, it's just your emotions. You're playing a game that you love and at times you may express it different ways."

And it's more than just allowing a free point on a foul shot that bothers the players. A technical also hits them in the wallet: Players are fined $1,000 for each of their first five technicals, an amount that increases by $500 for each five after that, capped by a $2,500 penalty for each one starting with the 16th. A one-game suspension also comes at that point and for every other technical thereafter.

"We talk to the ballplayers, we kind of empathize with them," Hunter said. "We understand the circumstances, understand how they feel, how they feel it negatively impacts their game."

Coaches have said they are OK with the policy as long as officials show good judgment and are consistent. Players worry about getting whistled for a natural reflex in a key situation.

"It's kind of hard to keep your emotions down when you play a game like basketball and keep them totally wrapped up," Hall of Famer Kareem Abdul-Jabbar said. "Too many referees have rabbit ears and very thin skin. And until they realize that they're not perfect, they can't expect the players to be perfect. There has to be some kind of give-and-take there."

Jackson said there is, as long as players don't overdo it. When Duncan began yelling about a clearly incorrect call that went against him Monday night in New York, the official didn't respond right away. It wasn't until Duncan kept up the argument on the next trip that the technical finally came. :D

"This is not a zero tolerance policy. If a player doesn't act inappropriately or make disrespectful statements on a call or a non-call, such as yelling or cursing or inappropriate physical reactions or gestures like flailing their arms, without that we'll allow players a heat of the moment reaction," Jackson said.

"But when those reactions or those comments become continuous, then you're subject to receiving a technical foul."

Another complaint from the players is that they lost the right to have dialogue with the referees. Officials have always been able to interact with the players as they please, and what may be a technical from one may not even warrant a reaction from another.

"If you're in the league for a long time, you develop relationships with certain officials," Bryant said. "In fact, some officials I've known even since high school, because some of the officials are from the Philadelphia area."

Jackson said the league has heard only a few complaints from players, but Hunter said he has received plenty of calls. He may be placing one of his own soon to Stern.

"My staff is talking regularly back and forth with his staff," Hunter said. "If we think they're not being sensitive at all, it usually requires a session between myself and David. We haven't had it yet, but the way things are going, I'm sure I'll be calling him in the immediate future."

Obstructed_View
11-09-2006, 10:44 AM
Who thinks that Dwayne Wade and Tim Duncan are "well mannered" when it comes to complaining? BTW, is there anyone who thinks Duncan didn't deserve that T?

ducks
11-09-2006, 10:52 AM
So much for special treatment for the superstars, which is the way the league planned it.

EXCEPT FOR LEBRON I AM SO THE KING JAMES

MI21
11-09-2006, 11:00 AM
Tim and Dwyane would have to be 2 of the absolute worst when it comes to whining.

What Tim Duncan and Dwyane Wade has thing writer been watching?

JamStone
11-09-2006, 11:00 AM
"It's crazy because guys are so passionate about the game," Hornets guard Chris Paul said. "I know myself, it's not that you're always trying to show the ref up, it's just your emotions. You're playing a game that you love and at times you may express it different ways."



So true, Chris. Sometimes you can get so emotional, you just want to elbow an opponent in the nutsack. Julius Hodge knows exactly where you're coming from. It's alll about passion about the game.

easjer
11-09-2006, 11:00 AM
The problem I have with this is that it's not limited to complaining or whining. Elson's tech? Rasheed's 'and 1 fist pump' tech? Come on! There is a ton of disparity between officials and between players. It's hardly an even playing field. LeBron gets away with a ton, Tim gets away with a lot and Rasheed gets nothing. And with some officials, you clearly can't even ask them what's going on to avoid that in the future.

This certainly isn't picking up the pace of the game and it's giving way too much power to people who already abuse their power. We all know that there are certain refs who influence the games with their bad and non calls.

I agree that 'showing up the refs' or excessive whining or complaining that interferes with the game should be stopped, but I intensely dislike and disagree with the way they are dong it.

JamStone
11-09-2006, 11:02 AM
Tim and Dwyane are considered well-mannered because there names aren't Rasheed or Allen.

TDMVPDPOY
11-09-2006, 11:07 AM
im tellin yah

tim duncan > GOD >>>>>>>>>>>>SCRUB wade/kirby/james

50 cent
11-09-2006, 11:48 AM
The refs need to realize they are only there to support the game, not star in the game.

Let players show a little emotion. Some of it was out of hand and fine, put a stop to it but for the most part, I would like to see the refs stop thinking 20,000 people showed up to watch them referee a fuckin game.

Obstructed_View
11-09-2006, 11:53 AM
The refs need to realize they are only there to support the game, not star in the game.

Let players show a little emotion. Some of it was out of hand and fine, put a stop to it but for the most part, I would like to see the refs stop thinking 20,000 people showed up to watch them referee a fuckin game.
With the histrionics cut way back, the officials are less a part of the game this year. I enjoy it more.

Notorious H.O.P.
11-09-2006, 12:27 PM
It's an emotional game and you have to expect an emotion response. I think it also fires up the fans on both sides. I think you have to give the players a couple of seconds (think 1-3) to get the initial response out of the way and if they persist, hit them with the T then, not when they make a fist or bounce (not slam) the ball on the court.

infinite styles
11-09-2006, 12:35 PM
I read the Daily Dime on ESPN and like how they added the "Whiny" Tim part and how he should have been called for a T which would have won the game for PHX last night. Tim has made a major improvement this year on his complaining compared to last year in the playoffs. But what I want to know is does this rule apply to the coaches at all because D' Antoni could have been whistled a few times and lets not act like Nash was just silent throughout the game.
With all this said I think that the complaining does need to stop but giving the officials a quick trigger doesn't seem like the appropriate answer. Last night I watched the DET/SAC game and noticed that the officials really don't have a clear idea on how they want to call it. Billups and Nazr got T's and then in the 4th Kevin Martin got called for a foul and he gave somewhat of a reaction and the official ran up to him pointing practically begging him to say something the he could find inappropriate. That to me is inappropriate behavior by the official because now he's holding up the game to show up the player. We all say these guys get paid millions to play a sport and should shut up and just play. Yeah thats true in the matter of contract disputes and the like but when it comes to something where it applies to on the court matters such as showing emotion then I think that the league goes too far in trying to eliminate that aspect of the game.