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Nbadan
11-10-2006, 01:56 AM
The returns news continues to be bad for Republicans...

Hispanic voters punish Republicans in US elections



PHOENIX, Arizona, Nov 9 (Reuters) - Hispanic voters irked by the Republican hard line on immigration policy turned out in force and helped Democrats win in U.S. congressional elections, according to exit polls and analysts.

Democrats won control of the U.S. House of Representatives in Tuesday's elections, and clinched control of the Senate by a 51-49 majority when a final race was decided on Thursday.

Exit polls showed more than two-thirds of Hispanics voted for Democrats in House races, while just 27 percent voted for Republicans.

Latino activists said many were revved up to support Democrats by a GOP pledge to crack down on illegal immigration and build stretches of wall along the Mexico border.

The policy was crafted to reach out to core conservative voters. But along with widespread concern at President George W. Bush's handling of the Iraq war, it triggered a backlash among Latino voters.

"(Treating) immigration as a wedge issue dealt a double whammy to the Republican Party" at the polls, said Clarissa Martinez, the director of state policy for the National Council of La Raza activist group.

"It didn't work as a strategy with the broader electorate, and it actually had the effect of driving Latinos away from the Republican party," she added.

Reuters (http://elections.us.reuters.com/top/news/usnN09355448.html)

SA210
11-11-2006, 12:28 AM
::crickets::

boutons_
11-11-2006, 12:41 AM
Does anybody think Congress will even address this problem ( is it really a problem? ) in the next 2 years?

I see where the Repugs are refusing to care for illegal immigrants babies:

November 2, 2006

"U.S. Tightens Medicaid Rules for Babies of Illegal Immigrants

By ROBERT PEAR

WASHINGTON, Nov. 2 — Under a new policy, children born in the United States to undocumented immigrants with low incomes will no longer be automatically entitled to health insurance through Medicaid, federal officials said today.

Doctors and hospitals said the policy change would make it more difficult for such infants, who are United States citizens, to obtain health care needed in the first year of life."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/11/technology/11sony.html?pagewanted=print


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Denying US baby citizens is the Repugs' practice of Compassionate Conservatism?

It's just the Repugs pandering to their radical right base. If denying babies medical care is what it takes to re-elect Repugs, then get it done. Throw them babies under the bus along with 3000 dead US military, anything to win elections.

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-11-2006, 02:11 AM
Denying US baby citizens is the Repugs' practice of Compassionate Conservatism?

Yo, dumbass, show me when illegal aliens became 'US citizens'.

You know what you need? You need a warm cup of shut the fuck up.

boutons_
11-11-2006, 07:13 AM
"show me when illegal aliens became 'US citizens'."

such infants, who are United States citizens,

AHF demolished yet again, as easy as shooting Aggies in a toilet

01Snake
11-11-2006, 09:09 AM
These babies sure as FUCK should not be citizens. If the parents are illegal, why should their offspring not be?

I just love the people who are for letting everyone one into this country. "Hey!! Come one, come all...let the rest of America support you."

This shit is going to bring this country to its knees in the next few decades.

01Snake
11-11-2006, 09:10 AM
::crickets::


::wetbacks::

valluco
11-11-2006, 09:14 AM
::wetbacks::
hehe...

whassamatter?

racist white fuck = M-I-N-O-R-I-T-Y

01Snake
11-11-2006, 09:23 AM
hehe...

whassamatter?

racist white fuck = M-I-N-O-R-I-T-Y

Nope. I've got no problem with ANYONE here legally. It's the illegals I don't like. Get in line like everyone else assholes.

I also HATE the assholes who hire illegals. They are the BIGGEST problem. I suggest deporting them as well.

PS. My sister-in-law is hispanic...nice try on the race card though...toolbox.

xrayzebra
11-11-2006, 09:25 AM
Illegal......

xrayzebra
11-11-2006, 09:26 AM
[QUOTE=01Snake]Nope. I've got no problem with ANYONE here legally. It's the illegals I don't like. Get in line like everyone else assholes.

I also HATE the assholes who hire illegals. They are the BIGGEST problem. I suggest deporting them as well.

/QUOTE]

Ditto

valluco
11-11-2006, 09:26 AM
Illegal......
exactly.

01Snake
11-11-2006, 09:29 AM
Ditto......

The thing is, if you say you're against illegal immigration, you're seen as a racist. :rolleyes

valluco
11-11-2006, 09:34 AM
Eh, no.

I'm against illegal immigration. http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50559&highlight=Immigration+Article

When you spout off the word "wetback" because legal hispanic US citizens helped kick out the GOP and you don't like that, you come off as a racist.

01Snake
11-11-2006, 09:52 AM
Eh, no.

I'm against illegal immigration. http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50559&highlight=Immigration+Article

When you spout off the word "wetback" because legal hispanic US citizens helped kick out the GOP and you don't like that, you come off as a racist.


Hey, how about following the thread. I'm not referring to the vote asshat.

Zunni
11-11-2006, 10:24 AM
Hey, how about following the thread. I'm not referring to the vote asshat.
Hey, how about staying on topic then, asshat.

Melmart1
11-11-2006, 10:31 AM
I also HATE the assholes who hire illegals. They are the BIGGEST problem. I suggest deporting them as well.


If this were law... I tell you, America would have NO problem with illegal immigration... people want to point the finger at the illegal alien themselves... which is part of the problem, yes...

Supply and demand....

smeagol
11-11-2006, 10:42 AM
Yo, dumbass, show me when illegal aliens became 'US citizens'.

You know what you need? You need a warm cup of shut the fuck up.
I like you, AHF, but you put your foot all the way down your esophagus with this one :lol

smeagol
11-11-2006, 10:54 AM
These babies sure as FUCK should not be citizens.


Then get the law changed.



If the parents are illegal, why should their offspring not be?


Great logic. Children should be paying for their parent's crime? Next time a dude steals money from a bank, let's put his children in jail too.




I just love the people who are for letting everyone one into this country. "Hey!! Come one, come all...let the rest of America support you."


As long as the US is so damm rich compared to the rest of it's neighboring countries, this will continue to happen. Build a wall, put more border police, bring the National Guard, even shoot the desperate people looking for a better life. It will not stop them from happening.



This shit is going to bring this country to its knees in the next few decades.

Why? Because WASPs will no longer be the majority?

True, those Latinos fuck everything up. Even America . . . :wtf :flipoff

01Snake
11-11-2006, 11:54 AM
Hey, how about staying on topic then, asshat.

Hey dumbass, how about reading the entire thread. After Dan's post, it went into talking about illegals. Idiot.

01Snake
11-11-2006, 11:54 AM
If this were law... I tell you, America would have NO problem with illegal immigration... people want to point the finger at the illegal alien themselves... which is part of the problem, yes...

Supply and demand....


:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

01Snake
11-11-2006, 12:03 PM
Why? Because WASPs will no longer be the majority?

True, those Latinos fuck everything up. Even America . . . :wtf :flipoff

As usual, people have to break it down to "Those damn mexicans are fucking everything up!" This isn't about race, this is about the rest of the LEGAL US residents continually having to support illegals. Do YOU like paying to support people in this country illegally?

As you said, until the US stops hiring illegals, this problem will never go away. I don't fault people trying to better their lives but for fucks sake can you get in line like everyone else?

Mr. Peabody
11-11-2006, 01:19 PM
PS. My sister-in-law is hispanic...nice try on the race card though...toolbox.

Is this another version of the "but some of my best friends are Black" defense?

Mr. Peabody
11-11-2006, 01:23 PM
As you said, until the US stops hiring illegals, this problem will never go away. I don't fault people trying to better their lives but for fucks sake can you get in line like everyone else?

Get in line for what? There are not enough temporary work visas to accommodate all the jobs that are available to immigrants. So you have people wanting to hire immigrants and immigrants who need the job, but there is no way for them to obtain legal employment authorization.

xrayzebra
11-11-2006, 01:27 PM
Then get the law changed.





Great logic. Children should be paying for their parent's crime? Next time a dude steals money from a bank, let's put his children in jail too.






As long as the US is so damm rich compared to the rest of it's neighboring countries, this will continue to happen. Build a wall, put more border police, bring the National Guard, even shoot the desperate people looking for a better life. It will not stop them from happening.




Why? Because WASPs will no longer be the majority?

True, those Latinos fuck everything up. Even America . . . :wtf :flipoff


All this from a guy who is from another country........don't you just
love it.

xrayzebra
11-11-2006, 01:32 PM
Is this another version of the "but some of my best friends are Black" defense?

No, it is about people coming into this country, Illegally. Mexicans are
part of the problem, but not all of it. And most of all it is about the illegals who
don't really want to become part of the country, just take advantage of
the benefits, but have everyone bend to their "heritage" and "traditions"
while ignoring ours.

So get a life and understand what we are talking about.

It is not about "humanity" and "diversity". We have those without the
illegals.

clambake
11-11-2006, 01:40 PM
You've had at least 6 years to coax your man into some kind of action. What happened?

valluco
11-11-2006, 01:44 PM
You've had at least 6 years to coax your man into some kind of action. What happened?
No shit, and they even had the majority, rubber stamp congress to get it done.

ploto
11-11-2006, 02:08 PM
You realize there are people in the US illegally who are not Mexican.

As to healthcare- I support universal healthcare- so flame away.

gtownspur
11-11-2006, 03:24 PM
You realize there are people in the US illegally who are not Mexican.

As to healthcare- I support universal healthcare- so flame away.


I too support universal healthcare, candy bar vending machines, concubines, free beer.

Nesterofish
11-11-2006, 06:16 PM
of course the beaners went baqck to the dfemocrats just like a dog alwayws goes baxk to their puke.

smeagol
11-11-2006, 06:30 PM
This isn't about race,


You said illegal alliens will bring this country to its knees in a couple of decades. That implies Latinos will be the cause of America's demise. Care to expand, because the way you wrote it, it sounds pretty racy to me.



this is about the rest of the LEGAL US residents continually having to support illegals.


The US generates enough dough to support indocumentados. It will not break any time soon. Don't swet it, snake.



Do YOU like paying to support people in this country illegally?


Given the fact I pay thousands of dollars in taxes I will never benefit from, no, I do not have a problem.



As you said, until the US stops hiring illegals, this problem will never go away.


I don't think I said this (at least not on this thread), although I agree with your statement, this is part of the problem. But go and re-read my post because the problem is much bigger than American companies hiring illegals.



I don't fault people trying to better their lives but for fucks sake can you get in line like everyone else?

Already addressed by Peabody himself.

smeagol
11-11-2006, 06:44 PM
All this from a guy who is from another country........don't you just
love it.
So?

I've lived in the US for 9 years and pay taxes (lots of them, may I add) on a regular basis.

I have every right to opine.

Furthermore, not sure who made you the authority regarding who can and cannot state its opinion on this matter.

01Snake
11-11-2006, 08:01 PM
You said illegal alliens will bring this country to its knees in a couple of decades. That implies Latinos will be the cause of America's demise. Care to expand, because the way you wrote it, it sounds pretty racy to me.

Are you stupid? Since when does illegal aliens only mean Latinos? Last time I checked, it was ANYONE in this country illegally.




The US generates enough dough to support indocumentados. It will not break any time soon. Don't swet it, snake.


Now thats a grand way of looking at the issue. The US can afford it so by golly lets roll out the red carpet and let eveyone in without going about it legally. Free shit for everyone! Woohoooo! Hey, if we are going to support undocumented people, do you think Uncle Sam could give me some free Spurs season tickets?? Hell, we have the money right??

smeagol
11-12-2006, 09:20 AM
Are you stupid?


I like to believe I'm not. Let's check your answers to my questions to see if you are.



Since when does illegal aliens only mean Latinos?


It doesn't, but tell me how many people see a guy from Norway and think "This dude must be an illegal". The overwhelming majority of illegal alliens are Latinos.

In any case, that was not the main point of our discussion. You are using it to avoid to comment on your stupid statement:


This shit is going to bring this country to its knees in the next few decades.

Care to comment?



Now thats a grand way of looking at the issue. The US can afford it so by golly lets roll out the red carpet and let eveyone in without going about it legally.


Again you show your stupidity. As it has been proven over and over again, most of the illegals work their but off in search for a better life. They are not a burden to the American economy, they are actually positive to the economy in many levels (they help you buy the shit you do cheaper, for starters).

And for the minority that abuses the system, the economy can absorb them well without a glitch.

If you think the American economy will be brought down to its knees because of a few indocumentados, you are a moron.



Free shit for everyone! Woohoooo! Hey, if we are going to support undocumented people, do you think Uncle Sam could give me some free Spurs season tickets?? Hell, we have the money right??

Watching the Spurs = providing basic health services to children of illegals?

Now that is a clever statement!

Almost as clever as this one, remember?:


These babies sure as FUCK should not be citizens. If the parents are illegal, why should their offspring not be?

xrayzebra
11-12-2006, 10:16 AM
So?

I've lived in the US for 9 years and pay taxes (lots of them, may I add) on a regular basis.

I have every right to opine.

Furthermore, not sure who made you the authority regarding who can and cannot state its opinion on this matter.

You certainly do. And I am not the authority regarding anyone who wants
to "opine". But what makes you an authority on our illegal problem?

As far as you paying taxes. Good. You make the dough in this country,
then pay the bucks.

As a matter of curiosity. Have you or do you plan on getting your
citizenship and are you legal. Did you go through the process to
come here legally? Nine years is a long time.

xrayzebra
11-12-2006, 10:24 AM
Again you show your stupidity. As it has been proven over and over again, most of the illegals work their but off in search for a better life. They are not a burden to the American economy, they are actually positive to the economy in many levels (they help you buy the shit you do cheaper, for starters).

And for the minority that abuses the system, the economy can absorb them well without a glitch.

If you think the American economy will be brought down to its knees because of a few indocumentados, you are a moron.




Watching the Spurs = providing basic health services to children of illegals?

Now that is a clever statement!

Almost as clever as this one, remember?:

Care to tell the Bexar Country Hospital district that and help my
tax bill every year (San Antonio located in Bexar county).

Also, school districts and the free breakfast/lunch/summer feeding
programs. And the taxpayers who foot those bills.

You indicate you are in New York City. Don't you just love all their
social programs and City/State/Federal taxes that you pay to
support those programs.

I think what he is attempting to show with his comment about tickets=
health care is where does it end. And don't say it wont go there,
look at some European countries that pay for vacations for people
on welfare, because they need vacations too......
:downspin:

01Snake
11-12-2006, 11:15 AM
Care to tell the Bexar Country Hospital district that and help my
tax bill every year (San Antonio located in Bexar county).

Also, school districts and the free breakfast/lunch/summer feeding
programs. And the taxpayers who foot those bills.

You indicate you are in New York City. Don't you just love all their
social programs and City/State/Federal taxes that you pay to
support those programs.

I think what he is attempting to show with his comment about tickets=
health care is where does it end. And don't say it wont go there,
look at some European countries that pay for vacations for people
on welfare, because they need vacations too......
:downspin:


BUT the god ole' US of A can support them so it okay!! Yes, its fine that our hard earned tax dollars are being used to pay for hospital bills for illegals having kids in the US.

smeagol
11-12-2006, 11:18 AM
You certainly do. And I am not the authority regarding anyone who wants
to "opine". But what makes you an authority on our illegal problem?

I never said I was.


As far as you paying taxes. Good. You make the dough in this country, then pay the bucks.

And I will be paying my taxes (in the US) long after I'm gone, unfortunately.


As a matter of curiosity. Have you or do you plan on getting your
citizenship and are you legal. Did you go through the process to
come here legally? Nine years is a long time.

My wife and I came through an L-1 visa. My wife's employer, and American company, got her (and me) a green card in 2004 (after 7 years in the US). I can apply for citizenship after a certain period (I think it's 2 1/2 years). But we are still thinking if this is the right move for us. The benefit is, of course, being able to live in the US. The drawback: once we go back to Argentina, we will be stuck paying taxes to Uncle Sam forever.

I have three kids. They are American because they were born here.

01Snake
11-12-2006, 11:21 AM
Care to comment?




Sure! Take a look at this article. Please read the whole thing.



Hospitals feel strain of babies born to undocumented moms

James Pinkerton
Houston Chronicle

RIO GRANDE CITY — First it was a trickle, now it's a flood.

Rising numbers of undocumented immigrants from Mexico and Central America are streaming into Texas to give birth, straining hospitals and costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, health officials say.

Doctors say they are overwhelmed by both the new arrivals and immigrant mothers who already are in the state.

Feeling the strain is Starr County, an already-poor South Texas county that has the region's only taxpayer-supported hospital district.

Immigrants "want a U.S.-born baby," and they know emergency room staffers don't collect any money up front, said Dr. Mario Rodriguez, an obstetrician in Starr County.

"The word is out: Come to Starr County and get delivered for free. Why pay $1,000 in Mexico when you can get it for free?" Rodriguez said.

"When we are separated only by the distance of the river — it's easy to do," Starr County hospital administrator Thalia Muñoz said.

"It's gotten worse, and it's because the economy in Mexico is not good and because we provide all these benefits," she said, referring to Medicaid, food stamps and other assistance programs.

Starr County isn't alone.

In Houston, an estimated 70 percent to 80 percent of the 10,587 births at Ben Taub General Hospital and Lyndon B. Johnson General Hospital last year were to undocumented immigrants, administrators say.

"Our little snapshot is duplicated in all the municipalities between here and California," said Tony Falcon, a Rio Grande City physician who was appointed to the U.S.-Mexico Border Health Commission in April.

"What you see here is what is happening in Brownsville, McAllen, El Paso and San Diego."

In Bexar County, it's impossible to say how many babies are born to undocumented mothers, said Leni Kirkman, spokeswoman for University Health System, which serves as the county's public hospital district.

Patients are tracked only on whether they live inside or outside the county, she said.

"We just don't know. I don't have any breakout showing women's immigration status," Kirkman said, noting that the district sees about 3,000 births per year.

A better effort began last year to try to keep count of often-uninsured undocumented patients, following federal standards required by a new program to reimburse hospitals for debt incurred for treating them.

The program covers only the first two days of treatment, no matter the ultimate length of stay or total cost for treatment. Kirkman said that last year — from May through December — the district billed the government for $4.4 million and was reimbursed $1.7 million.

Falcon, who operates a private family clinic and delivers babies at the Starr County hospital, said about a third of his deliveries are what he calls "walk-ins" — mothers in labor showing up at the emergency room.

"Obviously, it has a huge impact on patient health and the kind of health care that's provided," he said. "You don't get the kind of prenatal care you should get."

Immigration-control advocates regard the U.S.-born infants as "anchor babies" because they give their undocumented parents and relatives a way to petition for citizenship. They estimate that 360,000 of these babies are born in the U.S. every year and warn that the numbers are rising.

Once parents have an anchor baby, they become more difficult to deport, said Jack Martin, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a lobby organization in Washington.

"It's a fairly big factor in complicating the removal of illegal aliens," he said. "Illegal aliens know that and, to some extent, we think they're being influenced into having children as soon as they get into the U.S. to complicate their removal."

Some lawmakers want to begin denying citizenship to babies born to undocumented immigrants.

Birthright citizenship, as it is known, has been in force since the approval of the Constitution's 14th Amendment in 1868.

Congress is considering several bills that would abolish it. Sponsors include U.S. Reps. Ron Paul, R-Lake Jackson, and Nathan Deal, R-Ga.

In a largely symbolic move, the Michigan House of Representatives on Sept. 8 voted overwhelmingly to end birthright citizenship.

Undocumented immigrants say they are being attacked unfairly and believe all children born in the U.S. should have equal rights.

Socorro Gonzalez, an undocumented immigrant who in August gave birth to her fourth child on U.S. soil, said she and her husband aren't trying to take advantage of immigration laws or abuse the health care system.

"We're not here to have a child. We are here to work," she said as she cradled her infant son, Orlando Soto.

Gonzalez, 42, said she moved to South Texas four years ago to join her husband, a cabinetmaker.

Two of their older children were born at a private midwife's clinic, she said, and two were delivered at taxpayer expense at hospitals in McAllen.

Gonzalez said the benefits of undocumented immigrants' labor in the United States more than compensate for the costs of their medical bills.

"I don't see why they should deny a medical service if we're here struggling for this country," she said.

"Because of the help of Mexican workers, whether they want us or not, this country is progressing."

Still, someone has to pay the bills. Starr County Memorial Hospital had $3.6 million in uncollected medical bills in 2005, up from $1.5 million in 2002. The total when fiscal 2006 ends Sept. 30 is expected to hit $3.9 million, Chief Financial Officer Rafael Olivarez said.

Unpaid bills for the past five years will reach nearly $13 million, he said.

To make up the shortfall, Starr County's hospital district is proposing a 25 percent tax increase.

"We're appealing to the community," Olivarez said.

The U.S. government is pitching in and has set aside $1 billion in Medicaid funds to pay for emergency care received by undocumented migrants over the next four years.

But Olivarez said getting the Medicaid reimbursements isn't easy.

Federal officials "told us at a meeting they would pay us about 20 cents on the dollar," he said. "But it's better than nothing."

Eighty-three percent of the undocumented immigrants receiving in-patient care at Harris County Hospital District hospitals and clinics last year were from Mexico, officials said.

Six percent were from El Salvador or Guatemala. The remaining 11 percent were from such countries as Britain, Canada, Haiti, India, Iran, Iraq, Nigeria and Vietnam.

"Using anecdotal information provided us by our staff, statistics from other public hospital systems, and our patient demographics, we believe that approximately 70 to 80 percent of our obstetrics patients are undocumented," said Shannon Rasp, spokeswoman for Harris County Hospital District.

In all, 57,072 patients visited the district's hospitals, clinics and health centers last year, and nearly a fifth were undocumented, Rasp said. The cost of their treatment was $97.3 million, up from $55 million in 2002.

Taxpayers are "bearing the burden of a very flawed immigration system," said George V. Masi, the district's chief operating officer.

A decade ago, a McAllen hospital dressed its security guards in green uniforms resembling those of the U.S. Border Patrol. Pro-immigration activists quickly put an end to it. But the tactic seemed to deter "walk-ins," said Dr. Porfirio Muñoz, medical director of a federally funded health clinic in Rio Grande City.

Today, he said, extreme measures may be needed once again to stop "wanton abuse" of the system.

Among his ideas: Have the Border Patrol interview patients after their babies are delivered at Starr County Memorial.

"I suspect the drop-in rate would fall very quickly," he said.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/me...es.3069c90.html

clambake
11-12-2006, 11:30 AM
So why not agree that your boy bush dropped the ball on imigration? Why not agree that nothing has been done and hope for change with the new balance of power?

There is much shit that needs to be cleaned up, but it will take time. Your side has been given the "6 year benefit of doubt". Is there enough pine sol to clean this mess?

Imagine the amount of shit that's been left on the floor. That's what happens when the former ruling party is supported by the likes of christian radicals, hillbillies, skinheads, and rednecks. This change will have to include coulture shock.

xrayzebra
11-12-2006, 11:35 AM
So why not agree that your boy bush dropped the ball on imigration? Why not agree that nothing has been done and hope for change with the new balance of power?

There is much shit that needs to be cleaned up, but it will take time. Your side has been given the "6 year benefit of doubt". Is there enough pine sol to clean this mess?

Imagine the amount of shit that's been left on the floor. That's what happens when the former ruling party is supported by the likes of christian radicals, hillbillies, skinheads, and rednecks. This change will have to include coulture shock.


Yes and people like the great liberal Ted Kennedy, who got them to vote
to give them amnesty and all would be right with the world. Except it
just encouraged more to come illegally.

But never fear, we are going to do it again, just wait until the new year
and all will be right with the world. Except our borders will still be open
and the will still be pouring across in droves and there will be a whole
new flock of dimm-o-craptic voters.

Now don't you feel better? :clap

clambake
11-12-2006, 11:41 AM
Like they need to be encouraged more. What a joke. Is that you applauding Bushs efforts?

xrayzebra
11-12-2006, 11:43 AM
I never said I was.



And I will be paying my taxes (in the US) long after I'm gone, unfortunately.



The drawback: once we go back to Argentina, we will be stuck paying taxes to Uncle Sam forever.

I have three kids. They are American because they were born here.

I am not sure that is correct. At one time, if you were out of the country
for 18 months or more you didn't have to pay the taxes. But I stand to
be corrected on that. I do know that the tax law is now very complex
on citizens working overseas. And I am sure there are provisions and tax
treaties that may cover you. Yeah, they do have tax treaties with other
countries also treaties that cover Social Security, believe it or not.
Governments are greedy so and so's. :lol

xrayzebra
11-12-2006, 11:45 AM
Like they need to be encouraged more. What a joke. Is that you applauding Bushs efforts?

Hey Clam, Bush is on your side on this one. Not mine. The applause is for your
side and giving them citizenship and more voters. You won and we lost.....
lighten up buddy.....

01Snake
11-12-2006, 11:55 AM
Hey Clam, Bush is on your side on this one. Not mine. The applause is for your
side and giving them citizenship and more voters. You won and we lost.....
lighten up buddy.....

:lol

Nbadan
11-28-2006, 05:28 PM
Hispanics already in the U.S. may like curbing illegal immigration for their own economic interests, but they don't want a fence...

Zogby/Hispanic PR Wire Poll: U.S. Hispanic Voters Abandon GOP
Heated Debate over Immigration Earlier This Year May Have Soured Some Hispanic American Voters on the Republican Party; Top Hispanic Concerns Mirror Those of Nation at Large


UTICA, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Just two years after 40% of Hispanic Americans voted for Republican President George W. Bush’s reelection, far fewer say they think the Republican Party understands them best, a new Zogby/Hispanic PR Wire telephone poll shows.

Barely one in five Hispanic voters – 23% – said they felt the Republican Party understands them best, compared to 56% who said they think Democrats know them better, the new survey shows.

The Zogby/Hispanic PR Wire poll, conducted Nov. 17–20, 2006, included 903 respondents, 737 of which were voters in the Nov. 7 general election. The poll carries a margin of error of +/– 3.7 percentage points.

Even among Hispanics who said they were themselves Republicans, just 76% said they thought the GOP understood them best. Another 8% said the Libertarian Party best understood them, 7% thought Democrats knew them better, while 10% of Republicans said that either another party better understood them, or that they were unsure. Among Democratic Hispanics, 83% said their own party better understood them, while 4% said Republicans understood them best. Another 7% of Democrats said other minor parties had the best understanding of them, while 7% were uncertain.

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