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Nbadan
11-03-2004, 03:32 AM
The assertion by pundits/Bushies that exit polling was 'way off', and thus, exit polls, which showed an easy Kerry victory in both Ohio and Florida, were incorrecty skewed and did not represent the electorate, is completely bogus.

This is disproved in minutes by simply noting the entire rest of the suite of exit polls conducted by AP and distributed to the news media. View here:

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/presiden... /)

Notice, if you will, that states with a narrow or wide Bush margin of victory NOT called Ohio or Florida, project perfectly. Missouri leans to Bush in exit polls, and leaned to him in the vote. Tennessee likewise was favorable to Bush in exit polls, and it showed in the final results with a clear Bush margin of victory. Pick a state, any state, there is not one single exit poll off by more than a few percentage points in any semi-competitive race. Not one.

Except 2. Ohio and Florida, the latter of which has already been "awarded" to Bush, and the former, which appears to nearly be a lock for him as he is up 3 percentage points with 80 percent of the electorate tallied. George Bush's win in each of these 2 states is nowhere near what exit polls suggest. In Ohio, Kerry had a small but noticeable lead with both male and female voters, a rare thing for him as males have tended to favor Bush in this election by a small margin. Likewise, independent voters clearly broke for Kerry, by a 21 percent margin, 60-39. This is not anywhere near the result we are seeing now, and along with Florida, whom I will get to in a moment, it is a clear and blatant sign of voter fraud. I don't use that most dangerous of "F" words lightly, but I must call a wolf a wolf and a sheep a sheep, and this whole setup stinks like Karl Rove after he's ran 15 feet.

Florida, as opposed to simply trending for Mr. Bush, has already been "awarded" to him by the media, who all glibly fail to mention the fact that the exit polling yet again does not match up with the result. Did I mention a moment ago that this and Ohio are the only examples of the exit polling not matching up? I'm pretty sure I did...

According to the final tally (which some claim isn't final due to absentee, but I digress) George Bush has received a whopping 340,000 more votes than John Kerry, running away to a 52-47 victory and grabbing all 27 of Florida's electoral votes in the process. However, there is this matter of the exit polls, which I believe I have mentioned a few times in this article: While Mr. Kerry had 6 percent less support from his party than Mr. Bush did, he scored among woman yet again (54 percent of Florida's electorate) by a 52-48 margin, small but important, while losing men (46 percent of the electorate) 47-52, essentially the same margin. Independents, however, broke heavily for John Kerry, favoring him a staggering 60-38 over Mr. Bush. At the very least, this would suggest a very close race, and certainly not the lopsided blowout it turned out to be.

As Joe Pesci once said, "Something is fishy in Florida."

Ohio too, Joe. Ohio too.

Marcus Bryant
11-03-2004, 03:33 AM
Your boy lost. Give it a fucking rest.

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-03-2004, 03:33 AM
The only thing fishy is that cunt you speak out of every day.

Fuck off Dan. Bush is up 4 million in the popular vote, shove that in your exit hole (err, poll) and smoke it.

Nbadan
11-03-2004, 03:39 AM
If they can cheat in Florida and Ohio what makes you think they can't cheat on the National poll? Statistical error? I don't believe it.

dcole50
11-03-2004, 03:40 AM
We lost. Move on.

whottt
11-03-2004, 03:40 AM
Then all you prove is that the Repugs are smarter than the Crats...which still makes me feel like voting for them over the dumbasses.

whottt
11-03-2004, 03:41 AM
Keep it up Dan...you keep creating more and more Republicans.

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-03-2004, 03:42 AM
Dan, the lead is 140K in Ohio.

370K in Florida.

Give it up clown, the only thing you're doing is embarrassing yourself.

Only a liberal in denial would be running around screaming that an exit poll, asking random people who they voted for, should somehow trump the ballots cast.

I guess any way you can still the election, huh?

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-03-2004, 03:44 AM
Dan,

The margin of victory in Ohio is larger than the margin of Kerry's wins in Minnesota, Michigan, or Pennsylvania.

Do you really want to go down that road?

Nbadan
11-03-2004, 03:48 AM
With 93% reporting, CNN puts the vote totals at 107,905,858.

In 2000, the final totals added up to 105,326,325.

It's going to come down to a difference of about 4-5 million new votes between 2000 and 2004.

But polling places have been reporting massively increased turnout all day, there was a huge increase in early voting. How come, after all the reports we've seen today of people waiting in 3 hour long lines, only 5 million more people ended up voting today than in 2000?

Where did all the votes go?

Kori Ellis
11-03-2004, 03:50 AM
NBADan, I certainly hope you are just grasping at straws and don't actually believe your conspiracy theories. :(

whottt
11-03-2004, 03:50 AM
Dan, Fox is the most popular network. Bush just pulled in an all time record 55 million votes, Republicans had record turnout amongst hispanics and blacks.

You guys are protesting a state you are losing by 140,000 votes...your candidate trails the popular vote by 4 million.

Figure it out dude...

This aint 1968 and this aint Vietnam. Time to stop demonizing the Republicans...in attempting to do so you guys are demonizing the Democratic Party and doing it serious harm.

I speak as a man who absolutely hated Bush and voted Democrat in the past 3 Presidential elections.

You guys have gone too far.


As I told you 2 months ago when I started frequenting this forum you have made so awesome...time to disassociate with Michael Moore and start looking for another Clinton who doesn't rely on hate.

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-03-2004, 03:50 AM
Dan, Bush has 3.6 million vote lead. Give up.

The votes went up your ass.

D E N I A L.

Nbadan
11-03-2004, 03:51 AM
...on several swing states, and EVERY STATE that has EVoting but no paper trails has an unexplained advantage for Bush of around +5% when comparing exit polls to actual results.

In EVERY STATE that has paper audit trails on their EVoting, the exit poll results match the actual results reported within the margin of error.

So we have MATCHING RESULTS for exit polls vs. voting with audits

vs.

A 5% unexplained advantage for Bush without audits.

Maybe Dubayah believes God will see him through this, but it's going to take more than blind faith to pull the wool over the data and the facts.

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-03-2004, 03:52 AM
Dan, I'll say it again...


The margin of victory in Ohio is larger than the margin of Kerry's wins in Minnesota, Michigan, or Pennsylvania.

Do you really want to go down that road?

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-03-2004, 03:53 AM
Maybe most people are smart enough to realize that exit polls have a large margin of error.

dcole50
11-03-2004, 03:56 AM
time to disassociate with Michael Moore and start looking for another Clinton who doesn't rely on hate.
That's twice recently I've agreed with you. Must be something in the water, heh.

When F911 was released, I knew it would be the worst thing for our party. I don't want to be associated with lying partisan hack filmakers. I want another Clinton. And, no, I don't mean Hillary. I wanted Richard Gephardt in the primary ...

just curious .. if push came to shove, would you take Gephardt over Kerry as (what most here would consider) the lesser of two evils?

Marcus Bryant
11-03-2004, 03:56 AM
Watching this fucker go off the deep end, well the really really deep end is going to be quite enjoyable.

whottt
11-03-2004, 04:06 AM
just curious .. if push came to shove, would you take Gephardt over Kerry as (what most here would consider) the lesser of two evils?


I'd take any Democratic nominee in history over Kerry. Including Dukakis, including Mondale. I'd willingly vote for Jimmy Carter again even if I knew for a fact it would be a repeat of what he did the first time in office.

Kerry is that bad.

Look who speaks for the Democrats these days...

Michael Moore...a guy who goes around talking about how stupid Americans are, how shitty our country is. The Dixie Chicks(whose music I kinda like acutally)...who try to impress their European friends by criticizing their President.

Look who supports Bush....Bud Day, a guy who was 3 times willing to die for this country and spent 7 years as a POW.

There's just too much anti-Americanism in the Democratic Party...and Kerry is the worst guy that could have been chosen to run in this environment IMO. He really does speak for those that hate America, whether he is doing it intentionally or not. And I'm sorry that more Democrats don't realize that.


I'd vote for Howard Dean over Kerry...at least Dean stands on what he believes rather that just being a political opportunist.

Kerry championed us losing a war, he was the figurehead cause for much of the homefront suffering for our Vietnam Vets.

I hate Bush's stance on environment...I hate that he represents big oil...I don't really agree with his stance on abortion, or stem cell research.


But I still love this country and I am not going to side with those I think are more worried about what Europe thinks of us than the country itself. And I want an asskicker who won't back down in office.

Bush has proven he won't back down, no matter how horrible the accusations made at him, no matter how many people throw spoiled tantrums and talk about how much they hate him...I trust that more than what Kerry offers.

spurster
11-03-2004, 08:44 AM
Dan, you always come up with something interesting.

I agree though that electronic voting without a paper trail is a really bad idea.

Spurminator
11-03-2004, 09:45 AM
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Hook Dem
11-03-2004, 10:00 AM
...on several swing states, and EVERY STATE that has EVoting but no paper trails has an unexplained advantage for Bush of around +5% when comparing exit polls to actual results.

In EVERY STATE that has paper audit trails on their EVoting, the exit poll results match the actual results reported within the margin of error.

So we have MATCHING RESULTS for exit polls vs. voting with audits

vs.

A 5% unexplained advantage for Bush without audits.

Maybe Dubayah believes God will see him through this, but it's going to take more than blind faith to pull the wool over the data and the facts.
Dan...do you remember the other day when you told me that you are rarely wrong????? well, this is one of those times. GIVE UP YOUR MADNESS!!!!!!! :elephant