Notre Dame @ Southern Cal

[johngateswhiteley]

time: 6pm MT
venue: Coliseum
line: ?

thoughts:

notre dame has played garbage teams since getting wasted by michigan. USC's defense will be, possibly, the best they face all year and USC's offense should be able to take some momentum from the last two big wins against Cal and Oregon.

prediction:

Southern Cal 35
notre dame 17

[samikeyp]

I have to say....I think SC wins this one.

[johngateswhiteley]

I have to say....I think SC wins this one.

...well don't be too hard on yourself. it's cause you're smart.

[Horry For 3!]

time: 6pm MT
venue: Coliseum
line: ?

thoughts:

notre dame has played garbage teams since getting wasted by michigan. USC's defense will be, possibly, the best they face all year and USC's offense should be able to take some momentum from the last two big wins against Cal and Oregon.

prediction:

Southern Cal 35
notre dame 17
Are you serious???? :lmao If USC DOES win, it will be by 10 pts or less.

[johngateswhiteley]

Are you serious???? :lmao If USC DOES win, it will be by 10 pts or less.

yeah, USC just held Cal to 9 and notre dame's offense is marginally better than theirs while notre dame's defense is not very good.

35-17 USC

[kskonn]

I think that ND's offense is more than just marginally better than Cal. Since I am a notre dame fan and will be at the game I am going to pick the upset in a shootout.

ND 45
USC 42

I just can't believe I will be there. JGW I am assuming you have been to a game at the colisuem, How is it?

[johngateswhiteley]

I think that ND's offense is more than just marginally better than Cal. Since I am a notre dame fan and will be at the game I am going to pick the upset in a shootout.

ND 45
USC 42

I just can't believe I will be there. JGW I am assuming you have been to a game at the colisuem, How is it?

i have been to about 10 games there total, i suppose. i would go whenever i did not have a rugby conflict.

i think you will have a great time! i am jealous you are going. as for the coliseum?...well i think its a grand place, all kinds of fans, thats for sure. its kind of hard to answer that question...what stadiums have you been to before?

i think kyle field is louder and probably has "better" fans, but the coliseum is a special place, no doubt, and the fact that you are going to be there for notre dame...it should be INSANE!

[slayermin]

It should be a great game. I don't think USC is a lock but I like them at home.

I went to the game in 2000 and I saw George Wendt. He was cool but a little disappointed that the Irish lost. Trojan Fans were yelling Rudy is a fag after the game which I thought was pretty funny.

[KewlKat00]

I just can't believe I will be there. JGW I am assuming you have been to a game at the colisuem, How is it?

what do you want to know? i've only missed one home game since the 2000 season.

[kskonn]

Thanks for the info. I have been to quite a bit of A and M and UT games. I went to ND and Michigan at the Big house, but was sitting in the ND section. ON Saturday I will be sitting in USC section since the guy I am going with is USC alum. I heard that if can take the shit talking that the USC fans are great to be around. I am fully prepared to be bombarded with trash talking espcially if ND is losing, but I think that is what makes the games fun.Am I being mislead? should I expect to get beat to hell for wearing a ND jersey?

[johngateswhiteley]

about 3 days!

[Beaverfuzz]

Usc 38
Nd 21

[johngateswhiteley]

Usc 38
Nd 21


thats a good prediction. i flirted with 35-21, and that should probably have been my guess. but i'll stick with 35-17...i think the USC defense is going to really give nd some trouble.

not to mention Pete Carroll is 19-0 in November for a reason.

[j-6]

28-24, Sc.

[Trainwreck2100]

I wish to God ND winws this, just so the BCS is fucked

[samikeyp]

University of South Central 42
Not Worth a Dam 28

[T-Pain]

Usc 45
Nd 42

[KewlKat00]

Thanks for the info. I have been to quite a bit of A and M and UT games. I went to ND and Michigan at the Big house, but was sitting in the ND section. ON Saturday I will be sitting in USC section since the guy I am going with is USC alum. I heard that if can take the shit talking that the USC fans are great to be around. I am fully prepared to be bombarded with trash talking espcially if ND is losing, but I think that is what makes the games fun.Am I being mislead? should I expect to get beat to hell for wearing a ND jersey?

you'll be fine as long as you're not obnoxious. every nd game i have been to has been fine. of course, you could get stuck by the obnoxious drunk, but otherwise you'll be fine as long as you are not too outspoken. the trash talking is harmless since most of the bad stuff is saved for ucla and cal. enjoy your time. stop by alumni park if you don't have anything else to do.

[KewlKat00]

usc 41 nd 17

[johngateswhiteley]

usc 41 nd 17


fuck yeah....now thats a damn prediction! shit, FIGHT ON Bro!


EDIT: p.s. thats the USC vs. notre dame average score the last 4 years (is that right)...in case some of you are wondering.

[johngateswhiteley]

http://cfn.scout.com/2/593569.html

read that.

[Beaverfuzz]

I wish to God ND winws this, just so the BCS is fucked


How does it ruin the BCS? Michigan is in by default if USC loses to ND. ND has no chance of making the national championship game.

[johngateswhiteley]

How does it ruin the BCS? Michigan is in by default if USC loses to ND. ND has no chance of making the national championship game.

i know, thats the funny thing. apparently people don't realize...if USC loses then Michigan is in. there's only two possibilities people...

[Willinsa]

I would like to see USC dismantle the domers.

USC 38
ND 10

[Fabbs]

i know, thats the funny thing. apparently people don't realize...if USC loses then Michigan is in. there's only two possibilities people...
If Florida wins out, i don't see why USC is a lock over Florida.
For BC$ t.v. ratings, yes i see why.
Wouldn't you longtime USC-Notre Dame watchers say throw out the "favorite" title? Ie last year. It took a greasy illegal Bush Push to get SC past ND.

Imagine if USC beats ND then chokes to UCLA. :elephant

College football needs a playoff in the worst way. An 8 team one. Even a 4 team one would settle a lot.

[johngateswhiteley]

If Florida wins out, i don't see why USC is a lock over Florida.
For BC$ t.v. ratings, yes i see why.
Wouldn't you longtime USC-Notre Dame watchers say throw out the "favorite" title? Ie last year. It took a greasy illegal Bush Push to get SC past ND.

Imagine if USC beats ND then chokes to UCLA. :elephant

College football needs a playoff in the worst way. An 8 team one. Even a 4 team one would settle a lot.


everyone keeps talking about the push...and i don't know why:

1. he might have scored anyway
2. great drive and game leading up to the final play
3. do you know how many times that push has ever been called in CFB?....none

[Fabbs]

everyone keeps talking about the push...and i don't know why:

1. he might have scored anyway
2. great drive and game leading up to the final play
3. do you know how many times that push has ever been called in CFB?....none
1. Meteor could have come down and struck Leinart in. Yes he might have scored. Wasn't looking good -at all.
2. yes it was. Does not change push.
3. Never? Even N.D. coach is alleged to have said that is what he would have wanted his running back to do.

4. So why not remove it from the rulebook? Add pushing from behind is a go.

[johngateswhiteley]

1. Meteor could have come down and struck Leinart in. Yes he might have scored. Wasn't looking good -at all.
2. yes it was. Does not change push.
3. Never? Even N.D. coach is alleged to have said that is what he would have wanted his running back to do.

4. So why not remove it from the rulebook? Add pushing from behind is a go.

...maybe they just should allow it b/c it has never been called (penalized) in the college ranks. in fact, players are always pushing QB's in the back on QB sneaks...it happened in that same game actually...suppose we'll never know if Quinn thanked his teammates or not...not to mention the block in the back on the punt return for TD.

so bottom line...USC made the final drive, we won. game over.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Rack the Trainwreck

[johngateswhiteley]

shit, i cannot wait for this game. less than 20 hours till kickoff! i am not even celebrating tonight....not until USC knocks off notre dame. then i am going to go crazy downtown.

[KewlKat00]

i was at the airport a couple of hours ago and my friend called me and said people were already tailgating on campus

[johngateswhiteley]

i was at the airport a couple of hours ago and my friend called me and said people were already tailgating on campus

damn i want to be there! shit. Kewl, before i die, i am going to tailgate and go with you to a USC game. you seem like a cool dude. btw, can you scream with your buddies, as you did last game vs. Cal for me...one more time. we can do it! gotta summon all our powers...

[BIG IRISH]

I wish to God ND winws this, just so the BCS is fucked

:tu

[KewlKat00]

damn i want to be there! shit. Kewl, before i die, i am going to tailgate and go with you to a USC game. you seem like a cool dude. btw, can you scream with your buddies, as you did last game vs. Cal for me...one more time. we can do it! gotta summon all our powers...

definitely (and if "cool dude" also works for female then all the better). we'll scream for you, even at gameday which i am leaving for right now. fight on!

[JoeChalupa]

Nd 31
Usc 28

[johngateswhiteley]

definitely (and if "cool dude" also works for female then all the better). we'll scream for you, even at gameday which i am leaving for right now. fight on!


oh, well then forgive me. and in this instance it works for a female as well, then. fight on!

[johngateswhiteley]

...one hour till kickoff! heading to the bar people....FIGHT ON MEN OF TROY!

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Go Irish.

[Marklar MM]

Go Irish for one game.

[Willinsa]

I think someone needs to tell the domers that they are not playing a service academy. :lol :lol

Go Trojans kill the piece of shit overrated domers.

[Mr Dio]

Irish killing themselves.
If ND O is making SC D look kinda soft, I wonder what the Bucks & Troy Smith will do?????

Could the real Men of Troy be Teddy Ginn Jr, AGonzo, Chris Wells, Pittman, Alex Boone et al????????

[SrA Husker]

I think Weiss ate Booty and smuggled in a replacement...

[efrem1]

ND had great opportunties with a blocked punt a two INTs, yet came up with only 7 points. Not a good way to get back into the game.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Man USC is such a bullshit team. Flordia plays a much tougher schedule and USC is ranked ahead of them. USC lost to fucking Oregon State. If they play Ohio State, they are going to get RAPED. The only team who has a chance against Ohio State is Michigan. Such bullshit that a team with a soft ass schedule fucking play in the National Championship.

[efrem1]

Easy Dirk:

Wait until they play Arkansas before you make a judgement.

[leemajors]

can mcknight catch?

[Brutalis]

Easy Dirk:

Wait until they play Arkansas before you make a judgement.

Retard comment.


Back to his point though. It's obvious facts the Gators play a tougher sched.

[Beaverfuzz]

hahahaha, return an onside kick for a TD. Notre Dame is severely outmatched this game yet again, just wait until next year...they'll have no offense.


FIGHT ON!!!

[Willinsa]

Domers Overrated

[Holmes_Fans]

Are you surprised?

[Willinsa]

Nope they were not playing some crappy team.

[Beaverfuzz]

Sorry Florida, but it ain't happening for you guys this year. You can still get in a BCS game with a win next week.


FIGHT ON, GO PAC-10!

[beachbarbie948]

Haha.
Notre Lame lost.
Here comes the whining by Charlie Weis

[johngateswhiteley]

well, this was more than USC needed, but i'll definitely take it. gotta beat UCLA and then its BCS title game, again!

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

It's odd that USC struggled to get by the lesser teams in the PAC-10, even got beat by one of them, yet the teams that they were supposed to struggle with they've beaten fairly handily.

[Horry For 3!]

Are you serious???? :lmao If USC DOES win, it will be by 10 pts or less.
Notre Dame fuckin sucks :pctoss

Oh well, if USC does make the Championship game, I hope they get killed by Ohio State.

[Fabbs]

Does Norte Dames field goal kicker suck or was Weis strategy just whacked?

ND 1st half drives to USC territory with no kick attempts for points:

USC 29: Opening drive 4th and 9
USC 32: 2nd qtr 3:20 before half. 4th and 6. Only down 21-10.

46 & 49 yd f.g.s passed up.

[johngateswhiteley]

Does Norte Dames field goal kicker suck or was Weis strategy just whacked?

ND 1st half drives to USC territory with no kick attempts for points:

USC 29: Opening drive 4th and 9
USC 32: 2nd qtr 3:20 before half. 4th and 6. Only down 21-10.

46 & 49 yd f.g.s passed up.

no, he is just aggressive like Carroll. Both coaches had some 4th down attempts tonight as did both in last years game.

[KewlKat00]

no, he is just aggressive like Carroll. Both coaches had some 4th down attempts tonight as did both in last years game.

the difference on 4th downs: sc 2-2, nd 2-6

[KewlKat00]

hahahaha, return an onside kick for a TD. Notre Dame is severely outmatched this game yet again, just wait until next year...they'll have no offense.


FIGHT ON!!!

notre dame has a bunch of seniors while usc only has 2 seniors on the defensive 2-deep (a few juniors could leave though).

[johngateswhiteley]

the difference on 4th downs: sc 2-2, nd 2-6

yep. how was the game MISS? i am sure you thoroughly enjoyed it, as did i.

[KewlKat00]

yep. how was the game MISS? i am sure you thoroughly enjoyed it, as did i.

nuts. i am still laughing about the sign at gameday that said "charlie ate the chocolate factory." it was a great ending to the 2006 home schedule. 33 home wins in a row. it doesn't get much better. so many exciting plays. jarrett's one handed catch, reed's return, cushing's td.

[johngateswhiteley]

nuts. i am still laughing about the sign at gameday that said "charlie ate the chocolate factory." it was a great ending to the 2006 home schedule. 33 home wins in a row. it doesn't get much better. so many exciting plays. jarrett's one handed catch, reed's return, cushing's td.

LOL! that is hilarious. i do enjoy watching charlie weiss lose...something about that fatty walking up and down the sideline getting his ass kicked.

well, i am glad you had a good time and am happy for the USC players. thanks for yelling for me!

[JoeChalupa]

USC kicked Notre Dame's ass with an impressive win. Bring on the Trojans!!!

Go Buckeyes!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Notre Dame was the most overrated team in college football this year, and it was fun seeing them get their asses handed to them in the only two real games they played this year - Michigan and USC.

[Willinsa]

Charlie Weis is a fat whining bitch.

[kskonn]

Being at the game was great, except for the losing part. I made a bet with some students around me that I would buy the keg if ND lost, well I bought a keg. It was the cheapest shit I could find, nati light, suckers. The SC fans I sat around where all really cool. They said they were pissed that ND got the Clausen kid.



Weiss needs to use his connections and get a Defensive coord. that can recruit. I do not think their offense will be that bad next year but they need to get some better defensive recruits coming through the pipeline.

[johngateswhiteley]

Being at the game was great, except for the losing part. I made a bet with some students around me that I would buy the keg if ND lost, well I bought a keg. It was the cheapest shit I could find, nati light, suckers. The SC fans I sat around where all really cool. They said they were pissed that ND got the Clausen kid.



Weiss needs to use his connections and get a Defensive coord. that can recruit. I do not think their offense will be that bad next year but they need to get some better defensive recruits coming through the pipeline.

sweet! i am glad you had a good time and the fans treated you well.

[Willinsa]

USC fans are mostly cool, remember some people at the Rose Bowl last year and most were a trip/

[Fabbs]

the difference on 4th downs: sc 2-2, nd 2-6

SCs:
4th and 1 (from 10 yard line while ahead 14-3)
4th and 1 (from 30 yard line while ahead 21-10)


no, he is just aggressive like Carroll. Both coaches had some 4th down attempts tonight as did both in last years game.


Carrolls were much more low risk in this years game, only 1 yd each.
I think Weis should have grabbed the 1st half field goals, altho 46 and 49 are certainly not gimmes. That is why I asked how the ND kicker is. 4th and long and both times Weis went for it. Overagressive?

2nd half Weis more or less had to go for the 4th downers being down 28-10.
However they were short and close.
Inside 6 yardline twice on same drive at 4th and 1 & 4th and 2.
It worked, got an offsides and then a touchdown.

Anywho the botched onsides kick that SC ran in for a touchdown rendered the field goal story just a sideplot.

[johngateswhiteley]

SCs:
4th and 1 (from 10 yard line while ahead 14-3)
4th and 1 (from 30 yard line while ahead 21-10)




Carrolls were much more low risk in this years game, only 1 yd each.
I think Weis should have grabbed the 1st half field goals, altho 46 and 49 are certainly not gimmes. That is why I asked how the ND kicker is. 4th and long and both times Weis went for it. Overagressive?

2nd half Weis more or less had to go for the 4th downers being down 28-10.
However they were short and close.
Inside 6 yardline twice on same drive at 4th and 1 & 4th and 2.
It worked, got an offsides and then a touchdown.

Anywho the botched onsides kick that SC ran in for a touchdown rendered the field goal story just a sideplot.

well, another issue, besides an aggressive mindset, is i think Weis thought USC was going to keep putting up numbers and that he would have to score TDs and not field goals to stay in the game. keep in mind USC scored on their first 3 drives.

[DarkReign]

Congrats to USC. You made a mockery of ND, and even if it means that UM wont get to the title game, it sure was fun watching the Irish cry in the beer.

[kskonn]

SCs:
4th and 1 (from 10 yard line while ahead 14-3)
4th and 1 (from 30 yard line while ahead 21-10)




Carrolls were much more low risk in this years game, only 1 yd each.
I think Weis should have grabbed the 1st half field goals, altho 46 and 49 are certainly not gimmes. That is why I asked how the ND kicker is. 4th and long and both times Weis went for it. Overagressive?

2nd half Weis more or less had to go for the 4th downers being down 28-10.
However they were short and close.
Inside 6 yardline twice on same drive at 4th and 1 & 4th and 2.
It worked, got an offsides and then a touchdown.

Anywho the botched onsides kick that SC ran in for a touchdown rendered the field goal story just a sideplot.


well sorry I did not answer your question sooner, but yes ND's kicker suck past 40. Put it this way, if you look at the numbers the percentages are in notre dames favor going for it on 4th down and great than 5 than the kicker making a plus 40 yard field goal. Plus if Mcknight could catch the damn ball they move the chains, if anyone shriveled up in a big game it was Rhema. Samarjdza gave him the opportunity to be in single coverage the whole game and he did not have much of an impact, or atleast not the impact he should of had.

[kskonn]

Congrats to USC. You made a mockery of ND, and even if it means that UM wont get to the title game, it sure was fun watching the Irish cry in the beer.


I did not cry in my beer, I bought a keg and toasted the trojans the best of luck in winning the national championship game. It is hard to be bitter about a game in which the team you were playing was just flat out better than you. If ND had given the game away I would have been more pissed off, but I firmly believe, especially after seeing them in person, that USC is really that good.

P.S. It is hard to appreciate their overall speed unless you are at the game, TV does not due them justice. Their defense is very very quick and have a great understanding of how to use their speed. They do not have a lot of wasted energy and motion when playing on the field.

[KewlKat00]

I did not cry in my beer, I bought a keg and toasted the trojans the best of luck in winning the national championship game. It is hard to be bitter about a game in which the team you were playing was just flat out better than you. If ND had given the game away I would have been more pissed off, but I firmly believe, especially after seeing them in person, that USC is really that good.

P.S. It is hard to appreciate their overall speed unless you are at the game, TV does not due them justice. Their defense is very very quick and have a great understanding of how to use their speed. They do not have a lot of wasted energy and motion when playing on the field.

thanks. i'm glad you had a good time and everyone was cool. come back again.