Turnout Scmurnout.

[MannyIsGod]

114 million MAYBE.

120? HA.

17 percent of voters were people in my age group. The same as in 2000.

Guess what assholes, you prooved just how irrelevent we are. If I could shoot everyone that didn't vote, I just might.

[Hook Dem]

114 million MAYBE.

120? HA.

17 percent of voters were people in my age group. The same as in 2000.

Guess what assholes, you prooved just how irrelevent we are. If I could shoot everyone that didn't vote, I just might.
Who's ya DADDY ????? :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

So much for the ignorant youth vote.

[Clandestino]

do you really think they were going to vote? young people, the majority don't give a fuck. and truly don't know what they are talking about. i chatted with some anit-war people at UTSA the other day...they really didn't know anything except what was in their pamphlet...

[CrazyOne]

Now maybe The Boss and the rest of his ilk will just shut up and sing.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, this is fucking GREAT! Woo, now maybe the rest of the country will realize that apathy is the way to go!

WOOOO.

Whatever.

[CrazyOne]

Huh? No, we saw just the opposite. Despite all the pimping by the major media, concerned citizens did the right thing by going out in mass and making their voice heard.

[MannyIsGod]

Yes, maybe for the Pro Bush side, but it's obvious that groups like the youth which were heavily Kerry decided to once again, sit things out.

[Clandestino]

exactly, the republicans ambushed the democrats!!!

[MannyIsGod]

BTW, almost half of the nation who was registered to vote didn't. In Mass hardly qualifies when you actually look at what happened and what ALWAYS happens in our elections.

We were busting a nut at the thought of 60 percent even though that's far from a great turnout if you ask me, and we didn't even hit that.

[Clandestino]

BTW, almost half of the nation who was registered to vote didn't. In Mass hardly qualifies when you actually look at what happened and what ALWAYS happens in our elections.

We were busting a nut at the thought of 60 percent even though that's far from a great turnout if you ask me, and we didn't even hit that.

well, what do you expect when demos registered every man, woman, child, dead or alive and their pets!

[MannyIsGod]

right.

ARE SOME OF YOU CAPABLE OF SERIOUS DISCUSSION OR DO YOU PERPETUALLY LIVE WITH YOUR HEAD IN YOUR ASS?

[Spurminator]

Clearly they are not passionately pro-Kerry, or they would have turned out in higher numbers. Most of America's youth may say they are pro-Democrat, but when push comes to shove, it looks like they're not comfortable taking action on behalf of the Democrats.

[MannyIsGod]

the one's that voted were heavily pro kerry. I think your right about the passion missing however.

I don't understand how almost half the people in this country can care so little when it's obvious that every vote means so much right now.

[Clandestino]

i don't think most demos were pro-kerry, they were just anti-bush...and when you don't truly believe in your candidate you will lose...

[MannyIsGod]

fair enough.

[Marcus Bryant]

ARE SOME OF YOU CAPABLE OF SERIOUS DISCUSSION OR DO YOU PERPETUALLY LIVE WITH YOUR HEAD IN YOUR ASS?

That's rich.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh fucking please. You claim to be a libertarian and fall back on your religous values almost as much as the fucker we have in office. Your one to talk to anyone about serious discussions. Fucking blow me Marcus.

[Marcus Bryant]

Awww, don't get mad.

All I'd like is to not be forced to accept that which conflicts with my beliefs and others free to do the same.

But thanks for making it quite clear that your desire is simply to impose your beliefs upon others.


Your one to talk to anyone about serious discussions.

Coming from your ignorant "Some College" ass that is quite amusing.

[MannyIsGod]

Yes, because allowing people to live lives their way is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO imposing on you.

[Clandestino]

Maaaaarcus...Maaaanny..... GO TO YOUR ROOMS!

[Marcus Bryant]

When someone has to pay for 'marriage benefits' to the 'spouse' of an employee it most certainly is.

[samikeyp]

I think its sad that MTV and such did all this to get young voters out there and nothing happened. I have voted in every major election since I was 18. Now more than ever I believe in the "you don't vote, you don't have a right to bitch" philosophy.

[Marcus Bryant]

Perhaps the "Vote or Die" slogan was not convincing enough without some actual non-voter deaths.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I think its sad that MTV and such did all this to get young voters out there and nothing happened. I have voted in every major election since I was 18. Now more than ever I believe in the "you don't vote, you don't have a right to bitch" philosophy.

Amen, brother.

I'm not proclaming to know exactly what Texas State is thinking (and I voted in Bexar), but here are the numbers for Hays County. I know registering voters isn't a tell-all of who's voting who, but from what I know, the College Dems registered at least 2,000 while the College Repubs registered about 800.

Glad to hear Kerry's conceding so as not to draw this out. Bush won, let's work on making the country better now.

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT
REP - GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY . . 26,991 56.61
DEM - JOHN F. KERRY/JOHN EDWARDS . . 20,086 42.13
LIB - MICHAEL BADNARIK/RICHARD V. CAMP 604 1.27
Total . . . . . . . . . . 47,681 100.00

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Perhaps the "Vote or Die" slogan was not convincing enough without some actual non-voter deaths.

If only we could kill Puffy.

[JoeChalupa]

Too bad more of the young college age kids didn't get out to vote more.

[samikeyp]

I do agree with Manny though. The youth of this country obviously do not realize the power they could have if they tried. Then again, voter apathy is not solely a problem with the 18-35 set. Too many people fought and died to assure us the right to vote. More and more people seem to care less and less about that.

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, not voting is as much a political statement as is actually voting.

[samikeyp]

I disagree...I think its a statement of "I don't give a fuck." but that is just my .02.

[MannyIsGod]

If not voting is making a statement it's about as effective as screaming without ever opening your mouth.

[MannyIsGod]

In fact, I take it as an insult when people say not voting is making a statement. I spent way too much time out there trying to make a real difference through actual volunteer work to consider doing NOTHING using your voice.

[samikeyp]

Its not about making a statement...its about exercising your right as a citizen. If your guy does not win, that sucks but at least you did your part.

[Duff McCartney]

Guess what assholes, you prooved just how irrelevent we are. If I could shoot everyone that didn't vote, I just might.

Bring it on.

[Marcus Bryant]

Not exactly. A rather sizable number of eligible voters in the nation opted to not take part in "the most important presidential election" of their lives or whatever.

One does not have to vote to participate in the political process. Obviously non-votes that would have otherwise gone to a candidate have some impact on the outcome of a given race.

[Spurminator]

Not voting is a statement, but it's not a very effective one.

Politicians don't target non-voters.

[Marcus Bryant]

In fact, I take it as an insult when people say not voting is making a statement. I spent way too much time out there trying to make a real difference through actual volunteer work to consider doing NOTHING using your voice.

I'm glad you feel insulted.

[samikeyp]

Not voting is cowardice, IMO.

[Duff McCartney]

I'm glad you feel insulted.

Yeah no shit...that's a good reason for someone to vote...so Manny doesn't feel insulted.

[JoeChalupa]

How can not voting be a part of the political process?

Is that an oxymoron?

[Marcus Bryant]

Not voting is cowardice, IMO.

Actually, given the comments in this thread and the threat of death from the "Vote or Die" campaign it apparently takes some courage.

[Spurminator]

I don't have a problem with people choosing not to vote, if they are truly apathetic about the government. Many people simply don't feel like it affects them one way or the other, so if they don't want to vote, so be it.

But those who do care, and are constantly complaining about government intrusion or whatever... not voting simply perpetuates a neverending cycle of Politicans ignoring you.

Corporations cater to consumers, not nonconsumers. And politicians cater to voters, not nonvoters.

[Marcus Bryant]

How can not voting be a part of the political process?

Is that an oxymoron?

Ever hear of free speech rights?

[Marcus Bryant]

If one chooses not to vote then they are making a statement, perhaps, that they are indeed dissatisfied with the choices presented to them.

[JoeChalupa]

Oh I see...but they better not bitch about anything if they weren't willing to vote.

Yeah, I know...but what about freedom of speech.

I see your point but to me that's like pouting.

[MannyIsGod]

Duff, YOU are the exact kind of person I am talking about.

You sit there and love to bitch about things such as gay marrige, yet I'm almost positive you did NOTHING but sit on your ass yesterday and during the entire 2 weeks of early voting.

Proove me wrong and say you voted.

[Spurminator]

People who don't vote are free to bitch all they want... it just won't do them any good.

[Duff McCartney]

You sit there and love to bitch about things such as gay marrige, yet I'm almost positive you did NOTHING but sit on your ass yesterday and during the entire 2 weeks of early voting.

Please tell me what anything I would do would have changed gay marriage anyway? Kerry is against it, so is Bush. So what difference does it make? Was a ban on gay marriage in the Texas ballot?

[MannyIsGod]

Did you vote?

[Marcus Bryant]

There you go young Manuel. He was making a statement by not voting.

Good day.

[MannyIsGod]

great, he made a statement loud and clear.

If you want to call it making a statement then by all menas, feel free.

I just maintain that it's a rather ineffective method of speaking out.

[Duff McCartney]

I just maintain that it's a rather ineffective method of speaking out.

You can take what you maintain and shove it up your ass Manny. It's ineffective for you...but it's not for me. Maybe I'm not like you and out to put my voice in everything....I'm not out to change the world, but I'm not out to ruin it either.

[MannyIsGod]

Apathy. You lazy apathetic fuck. I fucking dispise people like you at moments like this. Especially when I hear stories about people waiting for 9 fucking hours to vote. Or even the people I saw wait in line here for 3 hours during early voting.

You're not out to do shit. Yet you'll sit there and bitch about things. Well fuck off, you've invalidated yourself.

[Duff McCartney]

What have I bitched about? Gay marriage? That's one thing...and that has nothing to do with the President or a vote that I could have cast on the ballot here.

Just because you're a disillusioned fuck who voted for the losing party doesn't mean you have to take it out on people who don't vote. You don't even give a shit if I voted...the only thing you probably wanted me to vote for is for somebody you support.

[MannyIsGod]

Hey, why don't you make another statement here and not post as well? Isn't that your style???

[Duff McCartney]

Hey, why don't you make another statement here and not post as well? Isn't that your style???

Here's my statement..Stop being a sore loser Manny....................I'M OUT!!!!

[MannyIsGod]

Hey man, I'll stop being a sore loser as long as everytime you mention anything SLIGHTLY political, you end it with "I didn't vote"

[Duff McCartney]

Hey man, I'll stop being a sore loser as long as everytime you mention anything SLIGHTLY political, you end it with "I didn't vote"

Bush is an idiot...but I didn't vote for him...so it's not my problem.

[samikeyp]

He is the leader of your country, doesn't that make him your problem?

[Duff McCartney]

He is the leader of your country, doesn't that make him your problem?

No.

[MannyIsGod]

Duff simply couldn't find the answer in a beattles song and figured it wasn't worth answering if they didn't address it. I understand Duffmiester.

[Duff McCartney]

Sour grapes Manny....I may not have found the answer...but you found one...and it was the WRONG one.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This is not a shocker. Youth is all about being trendy, and when it comes down to it, most of the trend was that it was cool to register and say you were, but when it came time to actually get off the couch and go vote, they said screw it.

[samikeyp]

No.

So as an American, you don't think the actions of your leader and government concern you?

[Duff McCartney]

Actually musicians/actors/entertainers that try to preach to go vote make me sick. I don't bash them for doing it...but damn...I'm gonna vote because I want to....not because you tell me to.

[Duff McCartney]

So as an American, you don't think the actions of your leader and government concern you?

Sure they concern me...nobody wants to see nuclear war here...but at the same time what am I gonna do? Cry about it?

You can criticise the President all you want(not saying you are doing it) but when it comes down to it, your criticism isn't gonna stop him from doing...whatever it is he is doing.

[MannyIsGod]

Ha, if you mean that because the majority of Americans said it was the wrong one, then what does that say about gay marriage? Because you know, that the majority of americans feel thats wrong?

AHF, I think you're right. I think I spent so much time around people who listened to NPR rather than watch the OC that I forgot that the majority of my age group is too busy calling in American Idol votes to go to the polls.

[samikeyp]

Don't cry about, try and do something to change it. You are right...criticisizing or praising him won't do anything about it...voting for or against him would.

[Duff McCartney]

Don't cry about, try and do something to change it. You are right...criticisizing or praising him won't do anything about it...voting for or against him would.

Not in Texas.

[samikeyp]

So you would rather give up than try?

[MannyIsGod]

So fucking shortsighted. Had more people gone out in voted in states where they felt as though they didn't count, we might have swayed the popular vote. Having a president win a consecutive time while losing the popular vote would have gone a long way torwards electoral reform.

[Duff McCartney]

Didn't count my ass..it's not as if Texas is a swing state. There's no way in hell Kerry would have EVER won Texas.

61-38....come on now.

[samikeyp]

still...if you believe that the incumbent should go...you should vote. Too many people fought and died for that right. You are a coward and are dismissing their sacrifice.

[MannyIsGod]

ARE YOU SO DENSE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WASN'T ABOUT WINNING THE STATE IS WAS ABOUT GETTING THE POPULAR VOTE.

Nevermind Duff, Nevermind. Go put on Rubber Soul. I'm tired of banging my fucking head up against the wall.

[Duff McCartney]

ARE YOU SO DENSE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WASN'T ABOUT WINNING THE STATE IS WAS ABOUT GETTING THE POPULAR VOTE.

So in your mind it wasn't about winning...it was about changing the whole system? Who are you? Ralph Nader?

Speaking of popular vote...Bush had the highest popular vote since 88....so what about that?

[Yonivore]

No.
Please tell us you're moving to France.

[MannyIsGod]

yes, wanting to change the entire system so that people don't feel as though their vote doesn't count is something i believe in duff. Do you find it odd that people take positions on things and have ambitions? I know that's difficult for someone who sits back and lets life pass him by to understand, so I won't dwell on it.

Did you know that the United States population has risen substantialy since 88, so even though Bush won with a smaller percentage he garnered a larger vote amount?

[pooh]

If only we could kill Puffy.


Get in line and take a number...but use a bazooka...I want Michael Moore in the line of fire too.

[Duff McCartney]

still...if you believe that the incumbent should go...you should vote. Too many people fought and died for that right. You are a coward and are dismissing their sacrifice.

Do you own a gun Mikey?

[samikeyp]

no..you're safe! :)

[Duff McCartney]

no..you're safe! :)

You should...you're a coward for not owning one. People fight and die for that right too...maybe you should excercise it.

[samikeyp]

two different things...if you can't see the difference, well, sorry.

[Duff McCartney]

two different things...if you can't see the difference, well, sorry.

Two different things? That's also a right set forth in the constitution...or what people only die and fight for certain American rights? Like voting?

[samikeyp]

you are so missing the point. What this boils down to is you want to bitch about things that are wrong but don't want to do anything about it. Owning or not owning a gun is way different than voting or not voting.

[Duff McCartney]

you are so missing the point. What this boils down to is you want to bitch about things that are wrong but don't want to do anything about it. Owning or not owning a gun is way different than voting or not voting.

I'm not bitching about anything....I dunno where you got the idea that I am. You say you lose your right to bitch if you don't vote...hey man..I'm not bitching about anything.

Also I'm saying is that you say voting is a right that people died for. They also died for alot of rights like owning a gun that I don't excercise, and neither do you...so that makes you a coward too right?

[dcole50]

I still don't get the analogy.

Owning a gun has nothing to do with me trying to make my voice heard in an election year. Unless I'm doing something illegal with that gun ...

If you don't vote, that's fine. It's hard for me to take your criticism of Bush seriously if you didn't care enough about the results to vote. It's so easy to do.

[samikeyp]

no Duff because I am speaking specifically about voting. Hey....spin it however you want.

[Guru of Nothing]

Voting is the path of least resistance to patriotism, taxation notwithstanding.

[Duff McCartney]

Owning a gun has nothing to do with me trying to make my voice heard in an election year. Unless I'm doing something illegal with that gun ...

If you don't vote, that's fine. It's hard for me to take your criticism of Bush seriously if you didn't care enough about the results to vote. It's so easy to do.

The funny thing is I don't criticise Bush...I never make posts like others here bashing the administration because I don't care. That's why I didn't vote.

But where I'm making the analogy of voting to owning a gun, they are both rights in the constitution, but Mikey is making it seem like the only rights that people die for are voting rights. I'm saying they die for all of them and just because you don't excercise one of them doesn't mean you are a "coward and are dismissing their sacrifice." If it does..then Mikey is also a coward and dismisses their sacrifices by not owning a firearm.

[samikeyp]

I never said that...see you are making shit up to back up your own point. Keep spinning.

[Duff McCartney]

I never said that...see you are making shit up to back up your own point. Keep spinning.

You did say that not voting is cowardice and that you are dismissing the peoples sacrifice.

But if not voting is dismissing peoples sacrifice then by that rationale...I'm also dismissing peoples sacrifice by not owning a gun.

Riddle me this Mikey, the right to bear arms is a right in the constitution...so am I dismissing peoples sacrifice to keep that a right in the US by not excercising it?

[MannyIsGod]

It's pointless to argue a point with someone who refuses to take a stand on anything. Duff is the kind of person who will meander through life letting it push him along as it see's fit, and will be fine with it. He's not out to make life into what it can be, He's just out to drift.

You're just extremely apathetic to things that matter Duff, and if that's the way you want to be, then so be it. You never are wrong on here because the fact is you never take a stand on anything of value. You simply want to play the middle road as some kind of monk that never shows emotion or lets things get to him.

So be it. You're a damn mental virgin as well.

[Marcus Bryant]

Fuck you both.

[Duff McCartney]

You're just extremely apathetic to things that matter Duff, and if that's the way you want to be, then so be it.

You know what Manny fuck you. You don't know a god damn thing about me. You think that just because I don't give a flying fuck about the stupid shit you care about makes me a bad person? Fuck you man.

You seem to know everything that's ever happened in my life...by the dumb shit I post on a message board. You say I'm this and that..yet in real life..you've said 2 sentences to me and that by some miracle makes you the authority on what I am and am not.

[CrazyOne]

Dang, y'all... don't make me go post-it on you... just go on to the GTG and let Mouse buy you a drink... (I'll let Kori decide whether or not to card you, Duff.) BTW, you still work at the Taco Cabana next to Lowes? That's in my neighborhood. One of these days I'll ask the girl at the drive through if the guy who likes the Beatles is working. Of course, since my wife went on a diet, I don't get to go there as often... :depressed

[Duff McCartney]

Dang, y'all... don't make me go post-it on you... just go on to the GTG and let Mouse buy you a drink... (I'll let Kori decide whether or not to card you, Duff.) BTW, you still work at the Taco Cabana next to Lowes? That's in my neighborhood. One of these days I'll ask the girl at the drive through if the guy who likes the Beatles is working. Of course, since my wife went on a diet, I don't get to go there as often... :depressed

I don't work there anymore...I haven't worked there for over a year....and I dunno why Kori would card me...I'm 21.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh, did Duff just get mad? He doesn't do that.

[Duff McCartney]

Oh, did Duff just get mad? He doesn't do that.

I'm not mad...I'm just telling you to fuck off.

[MannyIsGod]

Of course you're not mad. Fuck off is such a happy phrase.

[Duff McCartney]

Of course you're not mad. Fuck off is such a happy phrase.

It is when I'm telling it to you.

[CrazyOne]

You forgot to add a smiley, it makes all the difference.

You can tell I have a hard time keeping up with current events... and by the way, Abu tells me they still have to card you if you look anything close to 21.