bowen's defense is overrated

[spurs_in_7]

The only person he shut down this year was Marion. He had 8 points to his 19 point avg. He did have 18 boards though. And in our two losses it was his man that tourched us.
Name---Points----Avg
Morrison 27 points to a 15 avg
T-Mac 26 points to a 19 avg
Richardson 21 points to a 18 avg
James 35 points to a 28 avg
Howard 20 points to a 16 avg
Not sure about Toranto

Aside from Marion, you can hardly call that a shut down defense. You cannot even call that "Hold them to their average" defense.

now analyse this numbers:

2006/7 seasson:

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SAS.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SAS5.HTM

2005/6 seasson:

http://www.82games.com/0506/0506SAS.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0506/0506SAS5.HTM

his "great" defense and his inexistent offensive production are more harmful than beneficial for the team.

[ChumpDumper]

If anything, Bruce sets the other teams into a one-on-one mindset and obliterates offense from anyone else on the team. Check out who is #1 in the league in allowed assists and assist differential and then tell me Bruce has nothing to do with it.

[Man In Black]

You failed to add the most important stats...HOW MANY SHOTS DID IT TAKE FOR EACH OF THOSE SCORERS TO GET THEIR POINTS?

When Bruce is holding Kobe or TMac to 35 points on 35 shots...HE IS DOING HIS JOB
!!!

RECOGNIZE.

[ChumpDumper]

An odd drive by posting.

And a repeat no less.

I declare this guy an anonymous coward.

[spurs_in_7]

You failed to add the most important stats...HOW MANY SHOTS DID IT TAKE FOR EACH OF THOSE SCORERS TO GET THEIR POINTS?

When Bruce is holding Kobe or TMac to 35 points on 35 shots...HE IS DOING HIS JOB
!!!

RECOGNIZE.

he is allowing to his opponents to shoot .531 eFG% this year!!, and unimpresive .443 the past year.

[T Park]

Bruce Bowen's D is now overrated?

Have we gone MAD!?!!

[K-State Spur]

actually, i'll agree a bit with the original premise of this post - that bruce is a bit overrated on defense. only because many in the media will call him a 'shutdown defender' and that just plain doesn't exist.

what bruce does do on the perimeter is make his opponent work harder for their shots/points than anybody else in the game. his man usually works so hard for his shot that he often forgets about his teammates, gets sloppy on defense, and doesn't have the legs to make a 4th quarter impact. we are still seeing that effect this year.

[Man In Black]

Let's look at this-
Josh Howard 20 on 16 shots
LeBron James 35 on 26 shots (Pop complained that LeBron was getting preferential treatment)
Mo Peterson 15 on 11 shots
Quentin Richardson 14 on 9 shots
Shawn Marion 8 on 13 shots
Quentin Richardson 21 on 16 shots
Tracy McGrady 26 on 25 shots
Adam Morrison 27 on 23 shots
Andres Nocioni 1 on 10 shots
Ron Artest 22 on 20 shots

Now take a look at that and tell me why Bruce is overrated. Perhaps the reason the Spurs lost is because the rest of the team didn't fill their roles as well as Bruce did on those days.

Total Numbers
168 points made/169 shots attempted

IMAGINE THAT!!!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

As much as I disagree with spurs in 7, who gives a damn? He's still playing defense, and if it's not as good as last year, he's still a good defender. And plus, he's getting old. That's why we have James White.

[Kori Ellis]

Fans from other teams pretending to be Spurs fans is always cool. :rolleyes

:sleep

Just change your user name and your team name and represent, instead of masquerading as a Spurs fan like a bitch. And that's spelled b-i-t-c-h, not "beatch" like you seem to use so often in your posts when talking about Bowen, Parker, Pop etc.

[Man In Black]

Oh and as a noted stat freak, I will tell you that things that Bruce does...DO NOT SHOW UP IN A BOX SCORE. Unless you can tell me where stellar Position Defense shows up, then Bruce is getting dinged statistically for following his role to the tee.
Now, where it does show up, if you're going to use a rating score like Points Created or Tendex or PER, is that while Bruce's scores have always been low...Look at the difference when a premier scorer plays AGAINST Bruce, and then when he doesn't. I'll venture a bet that that player has a lower score than his average against Bruce.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Let's look at this-
Josh Howard 20 on 16 shots
LeBron James 35 on 26 shots (Pop complained that LeBron was getting preferential treatment)
Mo Peterson 15 on 11 shots
Quentin Richardson 14 on 9 shots
Shawn Marion 8 on 13 shots
Quentin Richardson 21 on 16 shots
Tracy McGrady 26 on 25 shots
Adam Morrison 27 on 23 shots
Andres Nocioni 1 on 10 shots
Ron Artest 22 on 20 shots

Now take a look at that and tell me why Bruce is overrated. Perhaps the reason the Spurs lost is because the rest of the team didn't fill their roles as well as Bruce did on those days.

Total Numbers
168 points made/169 shots attempted

IMAGINE THAT!!!
Hell of a stat! :tu

[Kori Ellis]

Bowen's D however was horrible in the first half against McGrady and Morrison. It seems after Stu Jackson's call and before Pop's pep talk, Bowen was easing up a little. But he was back to business against the Bulls and I'm sure that will continue.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Yup.

[cornbread]

Let's look at this-
Josh Howard 20 on 16 shots
LeBron James 35 on 26 shots (Pop complained that LeBron was getting preferential treatment)
Mo Peterson 15 on 11 shots
Quentin Richardson 14 on 9 shots
Shawn Marion 8 on 13 shots
Quentin Richardson 21 on 16 shots
Tracy McGrady 26 on 25 shots
Adam Morrison 27 on 23 shots
Andres Nocioni 1 on 10 shots
Ron Artest 22 on 20 shots

Now take a look at that and tell me why Bruce is overrated. Perhaps the reason the Spurs lost is because the rest of the team didn't fill their roles as well as Bruce did on those days.

Total Numbers
168 points made/169 shots attempted

IMAGINE THAT!!!

Wow, I never thought I would actually type this phrase but the mood struck me...PWNAGE!

[Spursfury]

Bowen's defense isn't overrated asshole. But in the eyes of the league he is, like Isiah Thomas wining for Bruce shutting his team down. As if they could have won the game anyways. Bruce deserves defensive player of the year this year no doubt if he doesn't get it at the end of the year then there is a problem with the league...GO SPURS GO...

[Solid D]

http://www.moviemarket.co.uk/library/photos/214/214212.jpg

"My word, it's a drive-by fruiting!"

[Bruno]

he is allowing to his opponents to shoot .531 eFG% this year!!, and unimpresive .443 the past year.

:lmao

A troll that can't even read/understand stats.

These eFG% are the opposite SF eFG and :
1. Bowen doesn't play 48mpg.
2. Bowen doesn't always defend the opposite SF, he always defend the opposite SG (Kobe, Allen...)

[elborracho07]

I heard that the league has now contacted Dirk and informed him that he must now wipe from front to back rather than back to front. Also, Tim can no longer use the bank shot because it is difficult for teams to defend......

[spurs_in_7]

you people doesnt have a little of objectivity to debate about this topic.

[tlongII]

Bowen's entire game is overrated.

[elborracho07]

tlongII....... your moms pic here is overrated....... I'm blown :smokin

[elborracho07]

tlongII ...... either your mom or your sister or your girlfriend is pretty hot. Can I have a shot at her. Give you a dime sack

[joeyjfive]

Let's look at this-
Josh Howard 20 on 16 shots
LeBron James 35 on 26 shots (Pop complained that LeBron was getting preferential treatment)
Mo Peterson 15 on 11 shots
Quentin Richardson 14 on 9 shots
Shawn Marion 8 on 13 shots
Quentin Richardson 21 on 16 shots
Tracy McGrady 26 on 25 shots
Adam Morrison 27 on 23 shots
Andres Nocioni 1 on 10 shots
Ron Artest 22 on 20 shots

Now take a look at that and tell me why Bruce is overrated. Perhaps the reason the Spurs lost is because the rest of the team didn't fill their roles as well as Bruce did on those days.

Total Numbers
168 points made/169 shots attempted

IMAGINE THAT!!!


Thats pretty much all the arguement we need.

[Spursfury]

Why give him anything you can probably get it for free. Don't waste your weed...

[elborracho07]

come on..... maybe a nickel sack..... or a J??????

[Man In Black]

Whats to debate?

I told you 1 point per shot is what Pop wants defensively, against the league's best perimeter scorers, from Bruce.

Which stat do you think Pop cares about most?
Blocked Shots or Opponents FG% allowed?

[elborracho07]

maybe she can buy tlongII a new blazers jersey with it. I'll throw a little some some her way for my boy tlongII

[Spursfury]

elborracho07 don't do it man. He's crazy you don't even know.

[timvp]

now analyse this numbers:

2006/7 seasson:

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SAS.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SAS5.HTM

2005/6 seasson:

http://www.82games.com/0506/0506SAS.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0506/0506SAS5.HTM


What doesn't show up in those numbers is that Bowen rests when the best player on the other team rests. Of course he's going to have a low +/-.

If you want to see what would happen without Bowen, look up the record of the Spurs without him.

[Que Gee]

Let's look at this-
Josh Howard 20 on 16 shots
LeBron James 35 on 26 shots (Pop complained that LeBron was getting preferential treatment)
Mo Peterson 15 on 11 shots
Quentin Richardson 14 on 9 shots
Shawn Marion 8 on 13 shots
Quentin Richardson 21 on 16 shots
Tracy McGrady 26 on 25 shots
Adam Morrison 27 on 23 shots
Andres Nocioni 1 on 10 shots
Ron Artest 22 on 20 shots

Now take a look at that and tell me why Bruce is overrated. Perhaps the reason the Spurs lost is because the rest of the team didn't fill their roles as well as Bruce did on those days.

Total Numbers
168 points made/169 shots attempted

IMAGINE THAT!!!

Bruce spent most of the night guarding Heinrich not Nocioni. Artest was killing him. Morrison shot over 50% and McGrady had his way with him as well. Lebron, actually Lebron, I'll give him a break on because NOBODY can guard Lebron. But LeBron hardly noticed he was guarding him.

I am not saying I agree he is overrated, but I would say his impact this year so far, has been pretty minimal. And I would say his offensive shortcomings outweigh's his defense...AT THIS POINT IN THE SEASON. Its is only the 10th game of the year, so things can change. But so far, he hasn't had a big impact on any of the games.

[Man In Black]

Man some of you have selective memory. Yeah McGrady owned Bruce for the 1st half, but what happened in the 2nd?
It's true that Bruce cross-switches when he has to, I mean he can guard 1,2,3's and in a pinch, outside shooting 4's like Dirk, but yeah you're right his offensive shortcomings mean that just based on that alone, he is ineffective and the Spurs would do better to start a more offensive player like say, Mike Fin or even, Brent Barry. Nope because neither of those guys have a prayers chance in hell of stopping guys like Kobe or TMac or Lebron. How many ALL-NBA D teams does a guy have to make to show fans and media that he is the best perimeter stopper in the game?

Oh and as for Morrison shooting a high percentage. It's not even that that is the story, the real story is that by him shooting that many shots, it could make it easier for the Spurs to play better team D. Anytime Bruce can goad a player into playing 1 against 5, it normally bodes well for SA. Since the Spurs have won 80% of the games they've played...What's there to complain about?

[Que Gee]

Man some of you have selctive memory. Yeah McGrady owned Bruce for the 1st half, but what happened in the 2nd?
It's true that Bruce cross-switches when he has to, I mean he can guard 1,2,3's and in a pinch, outside shooting 4's like Dirk, but yeah you're right his offensive shortcomings mean that just based on that alone, he is ineffective and the Spurs would do better to start a more offensive player like say, Mike Fin or even, Brent Barry. Nope because neither of those guys have a prayers chance in hell of stopping guys like Kobe or TMac or Lebron. How many ALL-NBA D teams does a guy have to make to show fans and media that he is the best perimeter stopper in the game?

I never said he wasn't the best. But this year, so far, has he been a factor? No I don't think so. You rattle off Kobe or TMac or Lebron...Well you know what..he hasn't played Kobe this year. Lebron wasn't bothered by him...and at the very least, you have to say McGrady had a solid game against him.

[spurs_in_7]

Let's look at this-
Josh Howard 20 on 16 shots
LeBron James 35 on 26 shots (Pop complained that LeBron was getting preferential treatment)
Mo Peterson 15 on 11 shots
Quentin Richardson 14 on 9 shots
Shawn Marion 8 on 13 shots
Quentin Richardson 21 on 16 shots
Tracy McGrady 26 on 25 shots
Adam Morrison 27 on 23 shots
Andres Nocioni 1 on 10 shots
Ron Artest 22 on 20 shots

Now take a look at that and tell me why Bruce is overrated. Perhaps the reason the Spurs lost is because the rest of the team didn't fill their roles as well as Bruce did on those days.

Total Numbers
168 points made/169 shots attempted

IMAGINE THAT!!!

:lol

did you noticed that equals to a 50% of the shots were made?

[spurs_in_7]

double

[Extra Stout]

:lol

did you noticed that equals to a 50% of the shots were made?
:lol You're too dumb to know that 1 pps in a game is good defense.

[ducks]

lebron has several pounds on the overrated james which james whinned to the refs and did not even get a t
bowen usually does a great job on the overrated little james
james has got him now like 2 times
bowen owns the punk
james lit him up first game then bowen say what he could do and then shut his ass down

[spurs_in_7]

Let's look at this-
Josh Howard 20 on 16 shots
LeBron James 35 on 26 shots (Pop complained that LeBron was getting preferential treatment)
Mo Peterson 15 on 11 shots
Quentin Richardson 14 on 9 shots
Shawn Marion 8 on 13 shots
Quentin Richardson 21 on 16 shots
Tracy McGrady 26 on 25 shots
Adam Morrison 27 on 23 shots
Andres Nocioni 1 on 10 shots
Ron Artest 22 on 20 shots

Now take a look at that and tell me why Bruce is overrated. Perhaps the reason the Spurs lost is because the rest of the team didn't fill their roles as well as Bruce did on those days.

Total Numbers
168 points made/169 shots attempted

IMAGINE THAT!!!

lets look this more preciselly:

josh Howard 7/12 2's and 1/4 3's
LeBron James 14/24 2's and 1/2 3's
Mo Peterson 5/7 2's and 2/4 3's
Quentin Richardson 4/7 2's and 1/2 3's
Shawn Marion 4/8 2's and 0/5 3's
Quentin Richardson 9/17 2's and 0/1 3's
Tracy McGrady 10/18 2's and 4/7 3's
Adam Morrison 12/20 2's and 2/3 3's
Andres Nocioni 1/8 2's and 0/2 3's
Ron Artest 9/16 2's and 1/4 3's

this equal to:
75/137 (.547) on 2's effeciency!!!!!
and
12/34 (.352) on 3's efficiency!!!!!

IMAGINE THAT!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Let's pretend we are Spurfans and repeat our nonpoint endlessly!

[Spurologist]

I seriously don't give a fuck about the stats on Bowen. The reputation as the "best fucking defender in the league" is enough for teams to shit themselves. His assignment molds himself into beating bowen not the team. Now if you combine that with him being in top form on D, your chances of winning skyrockets. I'll take that everytime.

Bottom Line. SPURS 8-2. PERIOD.

[Man In Black]

Let's see here, Zach Randolph a 4, scored 19 in the 1st half against Duncan, Oberto & Horry.
Against Bowen in the 3rd? 2 Measly Points.

Yeah overrated. A point per shot is selfish and not very good team ball, but if you knew the real stats the Spurs cared about, then you wouldn't have to be told, would you?

[Spurminator]

Let's see here, Zach Randolph a 4, scored 19 in the 1st half against Duncan, Oberto & Horry.
Against Bowen in the 3rd? 2 Measly Points.

Yeah overrated. A point per shot is selfish and not very good team ball, but if you knew the real stats the Spurs cared about, then you wouldn't have to be told, would you?


4 points on 2-7 shooting in the 2nd half.

Reminds me of the Chris Bosh game last year.

[Man In Black]

Watching League Pass, I was stuck with the Blazers broadcast.

Their team indicated that the difference in the game was Pop putting Bruce on Zach. They said Bruce's D was such that the Blazers didn't know how to pass the ball into Zach with Bruce around and that because Zach was forced to create a shot, he was made much less effective.

[ShoogarBear]

4 points on 2-7 shooting in the 2nd half.

Reminds me of the Chris Bosh game last year.

That wasn't Bowen! That was Rasho! :madrun

[T Park]

:lmao @ Shoogar

:LMAO at the morons in this thread, that DARE, think Bowen is not a good defender.


RU KIDDING ME!?!??

[Spurminator]

We'll see how much coverage that part of this game gets in the game recap. Granted, Manu is deservedly the story, but Bowen on Randolph is a close second.

[T Park]

Bowen's D in the third, along with his 2 three point baskets, IMO, is what turned the game around.

[Texas_Ranger]

Bowen's defense is not overrated. He still is a great defender.

[T Park]

We'll see how much coverage that part of this game gets in the game recap

Zero to none.

As it always does.

[Obstructed_View]

Bowen's defense on McGrady was great. He was unstoppable in the first half and Bowen and the Spurs ramped it up another notch. It's sad that Spurs fans (or those who claim to be) of all people would fail to recognize good defensive basketball when they see it.

[jmard5]

The posters in this thread who are critical of Bowen's defense can give their resumes to Pop. Sound reasoning will probably give them a shot at being assistant coaches, scouts or something.

Bowen does not change the course of the game. Bowen has minimal impact in the game. His ass-hard work ethics are not prominently displayed when guarding the opposing team's best players.

Yeah right.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I liked that Pop put Bruce on Randolph with the adjustments at the half.

[SAGambler]

his man usually works so hard for his shot that he often forgets about his teammates, gets sloppy on defense, and doesn't have the legs to make a 4th quarter impact.

Instead of asking how many points his man got, ask how many he got after the halfway point of the 3rd quarter. I think that gives you a better indication of how Bruce wears his man down.

The great shooters are going to get some points. But if you make them rather ineffective come 4th quarter, you have done your job.

[pjjrfan]

Bowen's role to this team is valuable. He totally frustrated Zach and his teammates. I am truly amazed at how people use scoring as a guage to how good or complementary a player is to the team, not everyone on a team has to be a scorer, a guy like Bruce shows his value in how effectively he does his job, and he does it well. Lost in the anaylysis is that in the HOuston game Tmac was not the same guy in the 4th qtr. or that Marion's contributions didn't lead to a win for his team, or that the kid in Sac dissappeared in the 2nd half. All these things led to wins and all these things can be attributed to one thing, Bruce's defense.

[MrChug]

How many players in the league go out and shut down Stephon Marbury AND Zach Randolph? None.

[ata]

The only person he shut down this year was Marion. He had 8 points to his 19 point avg. He did have 18 boards though. And in our two losses it was his man that tourched us.
Name---Points----Avg
Morrison 27 points to a 15 avg
T-Mac 26 points to a 19 avg
Richardson 21 points to a 18 avg
James 35 points to a 28 avg
Howard 20 points to a 16 avg
Not sure about Toranto

Aside from Marion, you can hardly call that a shut down defense. You cannot even call that "Hold them to their average" defense.

now analyse this numbers:

2006/7 seasson:

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SAS.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607SAS5.HTM

2005/6 seasson:

http://www.82games.com/0506/0506SAS.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0506/0506SAS5.HTM

his "great" defense and his inexistent offensive production are more harmful than beneficial for the team.

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[Supergirl]

When will people learn that Bowen's contributions to this team are NEVER EVER GOING TO BE MEASURABLE IN STATS?

[Man In Black]

When will people learn that Bowen's contributions to this team are NEVER EVER GOING TO BE MEASURABLE IN STATS?


It's measurable...but the measure shows up on who he is guarding. On the premier scorers he defends, their stats suffer because of him. It might not be points(we've seen Kobe score 40 on 40 shots and TMac get 35 on 34 so they can still score, but definitely, it's efficiency. Plus, the premier scorers have so much pride in trying to beat Bruce, that they turn the game into a 1 against 5. The proof is in the the way coaches talk about his D. Phil Jackson has said it in the past that he doesn't want Kobe to stop using his teammates when he is up against Bowen.

[Phenomanul]

:lol

did you noticed that equals to a 50% of the shots were made?


And did you notice that roughly 30% percent of the points totaled in the 168 pts figure came at the free-throw line... more specifically that 118 points, not 168, were scored on 169 shots.... for a PPS value of 0.69...

Furthermore you don't seem to understand that forcing someone on the opposing team into a volume shooting frenzy is a detriment to that team's offense. Only in the case of LeBron - where HE IS the team offense does that end up biting us....

[tlongII]

I'll admit it. Bowen did a good job denying Zach the ball in the 3rd quarter last night. The Blazers were obviously surprised by that defensive switch. I just wish the Spurs didn't get all the effing calls!

[Tigole Bitties]

How many players in the league go out and shut down Stephon Marbury AND Zach Randolph? None.

During last night's FOXSW broadcast, Sean Elliott was daring anyone to name another player in the league that can adequately defend both Steve Nash AND Zach Randolph.

Lebron maybe ...

[spurs_in_7]

And did you notice that roughly 30% percent of the points totaled in the 168 pts figure came at the free-throw line... more specifically that 118 points, not 168, were scored on 169 shots.... for a PPS value of 0.69...

BS!

lets see...........

josh Howard 7/12 2's and 1/4 3's 5/6 FT
LeBron James 14/24 2's and 1/2 3's 6/11 FT
Mo Peterson 5/7 2's and 2/4 3's 3/3 FT
Quentin Richardson 4/7 2's and 1/2 3's 5/8 FT
Shawn Marion 4/8 2's and 0/5 3's 0/0 FT
Quentin Richardson 9/17 2's and 0/1 3's 3/4 FT
Tracy McGrady 10/18 2's and 4/7 3's 2/4 FT
Adam Morrison 12/20 2's and 2/3 3's 1/2 FT
Andres Nocioni 1/8 2's and 0/2 3's 0/0 FT
Ron Artest 9/16 2's and 1/4 3's 3/5 FT


75/137 (.547) on 2's

12/34 (.352) on 3's

28/43 on FT's

PPS=PTS/FGA right?, and if you consider 2FT's = 1 shot then;

pts made = 75x2 + 12x3 + 28 = 214 pts

fga = 137 + 34 + 43/2 = 192.5 fga

that is: 214 pts / 192.5 fga = 1.11 PPS

btw, great defense last night on randolf but, that kind of performances are the exceptions to the rule.

[ShoogarBear]

I'll admit it. Bowen did a good job denying Zach the ball in the 3rd quarter last night. The Blazers were obviously surprised by that defensive switch. I just wish the Spurs didn't get all the effing calls!:lol Tlong, who are the Blazer TV announcers? Those guys would have been hilarious except for the fact that they were completely serious.

[ChumpDumper]

You act like holding the best players in the league to 1.11 PPS is a bad thing. That's Jamal Crawford territory.

[spurs_in_7]

You act like holding the best players in the league to 1.11 PPS is a bad thing. That's Jamal Crawford territory.

dont forget that 1.11pps is a average, if take the pps of each player alone the numbers are more than 1.11pps generally.

[ChumpDumper]

dont forget that 1.11pps is a average, if take the pps of each player alone the numbers are more than 1.11pps.:lmao Do you know what an average is?

[Phenomanul]

BS!

lets see...........

josh Howard 7/12 2's and 1/4 3's 5/6 FT
LeBron James 14/24 2's and 1/2 3's 6/11 FT
Mo Peterson 5/7 2's and 2/4 3's 3/3 FT
Quentin Richardson 4/7 2's and 1/2 3's 5/8 FT
Shawn Marion 4/8 2's and 0/5 3's 0/0 FT
Quentin Richardson 9/17 2's and 0/1 3's 3/4 FT
Tracy McGrady 10/18 2's and 4/7 3's 2/4 FT
Adam Morrison 12/20 2's and 2/3 3's 1/2 FT
Andres Nocioni 1/8 2's and 0/2 3's 0/0 FT
Ron Artest 9/16 2's and 1/4 3's 3/5 FT


75/137 (.547) on 2's

12/34 (.352) on 3's

28/43 on FT's

PPS=PTS/FGA right?, and if you consider 2FT's = 1 shot then;

pts made = 75x2 + 12x3 + 28 = 214 pts

fga = 137 + 34 + 43/2 = 192.5 fga

that is: 214 pts / 192.5 fga = 1.11 PPS

btw, great defense last night on randolf but, that kind of performances are the exceptions to the rule.

I added the wrong column on the FT totals but your calc. is still wrong.

Free throws aren't counted as a shot attempt unless it was an and-1... were that the case those shot attempts already show up on the stat sheet.

So if I use your numbers it should be:

Points Made (from shots) = 75x2 + 12x3 = 186

Shot Attempts = 137(twos) + 34(threes) = 171

that is: 186 pts / 171 fga = 1.08 PPS

But you have failed to show how me how all of those baskets were made on Bowen... I distinctly remember Lebron shooting over Barry, Ginobili and Finley as well as Bowen. Same goes for Artest and McGrady and MoPete. I also remember Bowen switching off to guard Marbury and Crawford against New York -- spending only half of his time on Richardson.

Give it up dude.

The only guys that burned Bowen were Lebron, 1st-half McGrady, and Adam Morrison -- and Adam probably shouldn't even be counted because he was pushing off of Bowen to get his shots off and the Stu Jack factor was preventing Bowen from playing like Bowen.

[spurs_in_7]

:lmao Do you know what an average is?
a meal?

[tlongII]

:lol Tlong, who are the Blazer TV announcers? Those guys would have been hilarious except for the fact that they were completely serious.

If it was a Blazer broadcast I believe you would have had Mike Barrett and Mike Rice. They are homers, but that's okay with me.

[twincam]

You failed to add the most important stats...HOW MANY SHOTS DID IT TAKE FOR EACH OF THOSE SCORERS TO GET THEIR POINTS?

When Bruce is holding Kobe or TMac to 35 points on 35 shots...HE IS DOING HIS JOB
!!!

RECOGNIZE.


I agree with you 100%, that guy needs to research before he preaches.

[wildbill2u]

The only statistics that count are "Ws". With Bowen as our primary defender against primary offensive players we set a franchise record for Ws last year. Spurs consistently are in the hunt for the best defensive team stats and we have been a team that wins with defense as a major part of the system.

Beyond the regular season, We've won championships with Bowen as the primary defender against primary offensive players.

If the coaching staff and the team players thought his contributions weren't critical to the Spurs' success, they would criticize his efforts and replace him. Ain't happening. They know better.

STFU!

[jman3000]

During last night's FOXSW broadcast, Sean Elliott was daring anyone to name another player in the league that can adequately defend both Steve Nash AND Zach Randolph.

Lebron maybe ...

lol @ lebron playing defense.

[spurs_in_7]

i wonder why he not won the DPOY yet.........

the true best perimeter defender is artest

artest = 10 x bowen

[spurs_in_7]

I agree with you 100%, that guy needs to research before he preaches.

did you read all my posts in this thead?