I ask once again

[smeagol]

Where the fuck are the Barry haters? :lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

A former Barry hater here.

[Trainwreck2100]

Oh please, Luke freaking Walton is shooting better from behind the line for christ's sake

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

He's only attempted 14 to Barry's 35 asshole.

[Trainwreck2100]

He's only attempted 14 to Barry's 35 asshole.


If Luke Walton does better statistically, your achievements are moot, It's in the rule book.

[MI21]

More importantly, where is Whottt?

[Sam]

How can anyone hate on Barry? He's hillarious.

[MI21]

Actually, now I think about it, I don't want to know where Whottt is or what he is doing...after a performance like that from Brent, god knows what he could be doing :(

[smeagol]

More importantly, where is Whottt?
Oh, that fucker is around. Probably thinking "I told you so!" :lol

[whottt]

I'm thinking as long as Barry keeps hitting about 75% from 3 he'll keep about half the haters off his case....if he should have the audacity to drop down to 40% again San Antonio'll again be Hater City USA.

More importantly for me...I like that the Spurs have finally made him a part of the offense as a regular thing, I think it helps his game. It definitely helps our offense.


Now Brent just has to atone for sucking ass against the Mavs...I don't mean his shooting either, I mean his bad ball handling. But that won't happen until the playoffs.

[MI21]

There he is!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol

[milkyway21]

..I, never been a Barry hater, so :clap i always supported this one.

but it's true Brent sucked in some games last yr so why bother where they are?

at least we're glad he's become a recent contributor to this team.

[smeagol]

The people who don't see the other things that Brent does to help the team aside from his shooting are probably the same people who though Manu was a bust when he started with the Spurs (or worse, they are the same people who thought Hedo > Manu).

[dirk4mvp]

He won a dunk contest. I like him. I like him much better than that shit eater Jon Barry who held up the "3" sign 2 years ago against Dallas in the p.o.'s. :donkey

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I hate that sign.

[milkyway21]

How can anyone hate on Barry? He's hillarious.well, there's only one time I hated Brent Barry and that's when he played an asshole for not signing a fan's autograph on that movie Jerry Maquire :lol

[E20]

Last year he was missing everything, that's why hella people hated him.

Looks like the samething is gonna happen to Micheal Finley, if he doesn't start hitting, but the past 3-4 games it seems he found his form again. Barry is feeling confident right now and is right in the head and that's what usually breaks it or makes it for most players.

[v2freak]

If Luke Walton does better statistically, your achievements are moot, It's in the rule book.

Person that makes 1/1 FTs < Person that makes 999/1000 FTs

[ChumpDumper]

I like the way he's playing. I've liked the way he's played since he almost got traded and said so all along.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I like the way he's playing. I've liked the way he's played since he almost got traded and said so all along.

he seems to show up when there is trade rumor about him

[ChumpDumper]

He's pretty much shown up ever since then. I don't know who's been hating on him this season, but any hate is pretty baseless at present.

[ALVAREZ6]

Barry is badass.

[smeagol]

The issue is not hating him when his shot is not falling (last year) or not hating him when his shot is falling (this year). The issue is being able to see other things he does in a court outside his shot.

Even before the trade rumours last year, when he was shooting 40% (decent percentage but for some reason not good enough for Spurs Fans), he did other things to help the team. His passing ability, the way the O flowed when he was on the floor, etc.

It's easy supporting Barry when he is making more than 6 3-pointers out of 10 he shoots. But that % is not sustainable (I know, I sound just like whottt :lol )

[smeagol]

Oh, and one more thing.

The issue is being able to see, when his shot is not falling (which = "not playing well", for some posters), that he has the potential to play well.

Same as with Manu when he first started.

[willie]

get back to me in february, then we'll see.

[beirmeistr]

The issue is not hating him when his shot is not falling (last year) or not hating him when his shot is falling (this year). The issue is being able to see other things he does in a court outside his shot.

Even before the trade rumours last year, when he was shooting 40% (decent percentage but for some reason not good enough for Spurs Fans), he did other things to help the team. His passing ability, the way the O flowed when he was on the floor, etc.

It's easy supporting Barry when he is making more than 6 3-pointers out of 10 he shoots. But that % is not sustainable (I know, I sound just like whottt :lol )
Good point.

[fraga]

I for one have always loved Barry...he's an awesome shooter...deadly from the behind the arc....BUT HE CAN'T PLAY DEFENSE FOR SH!T...

[ChumpDumper]

The issue is being able to see, when his shot is not falling (which = "not playing well", for some posters), that he has the potential to play well.The issue is knowing when a guy can play better than he actually is and saying so.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Will Michael Finley now be on the trade block?

[T Park]

putting Michael Finley on the trading block, after he turned down more money to come to SA, would be a bushleague move.

[smeagol]

The issue is knowing when a guy can play better than he actually is and saying so.
Pretty much what I said.

[SequSpur]

the spurs ain't trading nobody.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I hate that sign.

I hate that Houston lost that series.

I went to high school in Houston and I really like Houston.

I also believe that Houston is one of the top 3 or 4 best teams in the NBA when TMac has his shooting eye back.



Finally, I never was big on getting rid of him. I didn't know that he could play this well.

I think that it is just really tough to come in as a shooter onto the Spurs team. Perhaps you are expected to shoot less and you know how great Tim Duncan is and you end up deferring too much. Plus, you get fewer minutes since you are coming into a perenial title contender with an established line up.

Now, Barry is just playing out of his mind. They might want to guard him because he's a career 40 + % from beyond the arc, right?

[Mavs<Spurs]

putting Michael Finley on the trading block, after he turned down more money to come to SA, would be a bushleague move.


Yeah, that would be stupid. I agree TPark.


The simple fact is that Michael has been in the league for quite a while. He has been very consistent in his career. By now, everybody should know that he can flat out shoot and score in this league. He has done it for too long for there to be doubters about that fact any more.

He needs to keep shooting. We all know that pretty soon, he will start shooting well again. It's just a short period and a temporary thing.

Keep playing Michael good minutes and keep encouraging him to shoot and he will shoot himself out of this slump. Every great shooter goes through slumps and dry spells, but they come out of it. Michael will do this .

[Fabbs]

Ah there is that formula again. Spurs can put Barry on the trading block when he is not shooting well. Might wake him up. In fact did.

But we cannot put Bricks Finley on the block. Ever. Even if it's just to wake him up.

[Mr. Body]

Barry's pulling the trigger without thinking now. He wants to hit those shots. That's as important as anything.

[MannyIsGod]

Almost Traded Barry is really bad ass. But really dude did a bunch in 05 to help us win also. But he's taken it to another level after the deal last year broke down.

[whottt]

The issue is knowing when a guy can play better than he actually is and saying so.



Too easy:


how can barry prove his worth playing 5 and 6 minutes?


Make a shot.


Props smeagol, for being one of the ones who see the huge amount of BS certain posters spew.

[whottt]

Sometimes it's not the pass that makes the shot. It might be the pass before the pass,


Some of us have always gotten it...while others? They ridiculed Barry when this was the case and praised him(and others) when it wasn't.

What can I say smeagol...to you and I basketball is not that complicated, and to others? It's way too complicated.

[ChumpDumper]

Too easy: [bullshit bullshi tbullshit]

Props smeagol, for being one of the ones who see the huge amount of BS certain posters spew.The full quote was
how can barry prove his worth playing 5 and 6 minutes?
Make a shot.

Don't get burned on D.

Rocket science.Of course I should have added that he should actually take the occasional shot since he was passing up so many shots back then, but you knew that since I said that so many times.

Really it's fucking hilarious that you guys are gloating about Barry now that he is taking and making so many shots and asking where are the haters now. You stupid idiots - I'm the one who was saying saying he should have been taking those shots all along.

Barry agreed with me - you turdknockers didn't and said he was playing perfect basketball all along. You were wrong. Barry is showing you how stupid you were to think he could never play any better. Fuck you.

[whottt]

Oh yea?


Barry is shooting 21% for December.

Brown 56%.

End of thread.

End of thread :lol


There's more where that came from...but I don't want you having a stroke or saying you wouldn't buy a house from my drug dealing ass....shit like that.

[ChumpDumper]

You make zero percent of the shots you don't take.

Look, I know you have an archive of all my posts. The simple fact was Brown was outplaying Barry and it pissed you off. Too bad for you.

Now he's playing better like I always said he could and you refused to believe. Too bad for you again.

[whottt]

Not knowing how to call a timeout=out playing him.


I notice how the Spurs tripped overthemselves to being the Devin show back to SA.

Scoreboard you...

[ChumpDumper]

Why would they?

The roster is full and Barry is playing better, just like you said he never would.

[whottt]

The roster is full and Barry is playing better, just like you said he never would.



Link?

[smeagol]

Really it's fucking hilarious that you guys are gloating about Barry now that he is taking and making so many shots and asking where are the haters now. You stupid idiots -

Don't twist the facts, chump. Last year, he was passing on some shots but he was also missing many more shots than what he is missing this year. He was making about 40% of his shots beyond the arch, but that was not good enough for you, TPark, and the other posters bashing Barry.

Your issue was not only him passing shots. Your issue was with Barry's all-around game.

I remember that day he played 20 minutes and produced nothing. TPark and others were all over that 0-0-0-0-0-0 line. The truth is they, the same as you, were unable to see what other things brought to the table.


I'm the one who was saying saying he should have been taking those shots all along.

That's not all you were saying. You never recognized his other attributes.

Same thing happened with the Manu vs Hedo argument. You were blind to what Manu was capable of producing. And it took many months for you to pull that foot out of your throught.

Simply admit that sometimes you are wrong. You are not God. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss. Deal with it.



Barry agreed with me - you turdknockers didn't and said he was playing perfect basketball all along.

I don't think that is what Barry defenders were saying. Barry defenders were saying BHarry's game is not simply shooting (the way Finley's game is).


You were wrong. Barry is showing you how stupid you were to think he could never play any better. Fuck you.

You were wrong. You wanted to trade Barry. Barry is showing how stupid you are. With a vengance.

[whottt]

putting Michael Finley on the trading block, after he turned down more money to come to SA, would be a bushleague move.


You mean like Brent Barry?

Or even better, Rasho?

Come to think of it...Malik too.


And unlike Finley, they aren't getting paid 15 mil per season by their old teams.

[nkdlunch]

this will be Barry's best year of his carrer

[Bruno]

I really hoped that Spurs traded him this summer because his contract was quite big and he was quite redondundant with Finley.
Now, I don't think Spurs should trade him because his contract fit well with the 08 plan (Spurs won't sign any big FA before the 08' summer) and because Barry can really be helpful especially when Finley struggles as the start of this season shows.
I still don't like Spurs' swingmen rotation because of the lack of a long SF. I now think that Spurs should just sign a long SF with a marginal talent (a player like Matt Barnes) as 5th swingman instead of trading Barry for a better long SF.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't twist the facts, chump.I'm not. He was playing badly before the near trade. He's been great since.
Your issue was not only him passing shots. Your issue was with Barry's all-around game.Shooters shoot. It was the main symptom of his all around pussiness before the near trade.
That's not all you were saying. You never recognized his other attributes.Of course I did, they were simply never enough to justify paying him so much money to underperform when I knew he was a better player.
Same thing happened with the Manu vs Hedo argument. You were blind to what Manu was capable of producing. And it took many months for you to pull that foot out of your throught.Nah, I just knew Hedo also had value as a fairly unique talent. Did you not notice we are still trying to replace him? Did you not notice whottt pimping his defense a few weeks ago? I said the Spurs made the right choice when it came to keeping one or the other. That I considered keeping Hedo at one point is no crime, since everyone is still crying for a player like him.
Simply admit that sometimes you are wrong. You are not God. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss. Deal with it.I've been wrong, sure -- but I don't know why I am supposed to apologize for thinking Barry could have played better than he did before the near trade. I was right about that.
I don't think that is what Barry defenders were saying.Of course it is. They couldn't stand any criticism of him for some reason, and even now they want me to say he was perfect all along. Fuck that. He played far below his potential and pay level until he almost got traded. Period. I have praised his play ever since but that's not enough for his fan club -- now you want me to go back and suck his dick for playing below his potential all that time. Fuck that.
You were wrong. You wanted to trade Barry.Now you want me to call him untouchable? I'd trade him for the right player in half a second. You're delusional.

[smeagol]

Shooters shoot.

Not all. Shooters can also pass the ball, and Barry is great at that. Shooters help the the rhythm of the O, another thing Barry was doing when his shot was not falling.


It was the main symptom of his all around pussiness before the near trade

He was lacking the confidence to take many shots, no question about it. The problem is the Barry haters could not see through this problem and wanted to trade him even if he was an assets with respect to other aspects of the game.


Of course I did, they were simply never enough to justify paying him so much money to underperform when I knew he was a better player

:lol :lol :lol

So you knew he was a better player but wanted to trade him? Even fter he showed us fans some of what he could do in his first season?


Nah, I just knew Hedo also had value as a fairly unique talent.

So that meant Hedo should have stayed and Manu should have left. Because that was the debate: One goes, the other stays. Still cannot admit you were wrong?


Did you not notice we are still trying to replace him?

Irrelevant


Did you not notice whottt pimping his defense a few weeks ago?

Irrelevant


That I considered keeping Hedo at one point is no crime, since everyone is still crying for a player like him.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

You are so full of yourself you still cannot admit trading Manu and keeping Hedo would've been one of the stupidest things the Spurs would've done this decade.

No Manu, no '05 Championship. I hope you agree with me on that one.



I've been wrong, sure -- but I don't know why I am supposed to apologize for thinking Barry could have played better than he did before the near trade.

We will probably go round and round on this one. It's the fact you wanted to trade a player which was going through an offensive slump but was helping the team with other things plus the fact that that player had potential to play better (which is being proved this year) that I'm questioning.


They couldn't stand any criticism of him for some reason, and even now they want me to say he was perfect all along.

No, no, no. Not any criticism, but going as far as saying he was useless and needed to be traded because he was not taking as many shots as some fans wanted him to take.


Now you want me to call him untouchable? I'd trade him for the right player in half a second. You're delusional.

:rolleyes

And I would too. What the fuck has that to do with anything? Nobody is untouchable (except TD, maybe). I'd trade Parker or Manu for the right player. That does not mean I want to trade them.

[ChumpDumper]

Not all. Shooters can also pass the ball, and Barry is great at that. Shooters help the the rhythm of the O, another thing Barry was doing when his shot was not falling.
:lol Not all shooters shoot. Brilliant.
He was lacking the confidence to take many shots, no question about it.Hey, thanks for agreeing with me. Now you see why I won't apologize for saying it.
The problem is the Barry haters could not see through this problem and wanted to trade him even if he was an assets with respect to other aspects of the game.So?
So you knew he was a better player but wanted to trade him? Even fter he showed us fans some of what he could do in his first season?Sure, for the right player. He's not Duncan.
So that meant Hedo should have stayed and Manu should have left. Because that was the debate: One goes, the other stays. Still cannot admit you were wrong?I considered keeping Hedo over Manu during the regular season. Not during the summer. What's so wrong about that?
IrrelevantQuite relevant, though I know you'd prefer to ignore it.
We will probably go round and round on this one. It's the fact you wanted to trade a player which was going through an offensive slump but was helping the team with other things plus the fact that that player had potential to play better (which is being proved this year) that I'm questioning.Since our team had and has more pressing needs, I'm questioning your sanity at this point.
No, no, no. Not any criticismYes, yes, yes. Any criticism.
And I would too. What the fuck has that to do with anything?It has everything to do with your agreeing with me again. Thanks for all your support.

[T Park]

I remember that day he played 20 minutes and produced nothing. TPark and others were all over that 0-0-0-0-0-0 line. The truth is they, the same as you, were unable to see what other things brought to the table.



Yeah that game, man, he played one HELL of a game.

Being invisible for 20 minutes, thats a GOOD THING!!!!


give me a fucking break.

[T Park]

Where were these threads last year after like game 7 against Dallas, when he came in, had a couple turnovers, bricked open threes in "big" situations?

[smeagol]

Where were these threads last year after like game 7 against Dallas, when he came in, had a couple turnovers, bricked open threes in "big" situations?
Tpark, it's useless discussing hoops with you because both of us know very little about the game.

I started following the sport consistently since Manu joined the Spurs.

What's your excuse?

[smeagol]

Where were these threads last year after like game 7 against Dallas, when he came in, had a couple turnovers, bricked open threes in "big" situations?
IIRC, he also saved our ass in a couple of play off games and important regular season games too.

I remember TD, TP and Manu playing like shit and bricking shots in many play off games.

What's your point?

[T Park]

I remember TD, TP and Manu playing like shit and bricking shots in many play off games.

What's your point?

uh ok...


it's useless discussing hoops with you because both of us know very little about the game.

I started following the sport consistently since Manu joined the Spurs.

What's your excuse?


Its an honest question, why can't you answer it?

Be better to flame me I guess.

Typical Spurstalk.

[smeagol]

:lol Not all shooters shoot.

So Barry and Finley are the same? There are players who's value to a team is purely shooting (or a big % of its value). Barry is not one of them. Finley is one of them.

You see the difference?


Brilliant.Hey, thanks for agreeing with me.

I did not agree with you.


So?

Read again. It's pretty clear.


Sure, for the right player. He's not Duncan.

The next time TP or Manu go through a slump, be the first to start their respective trade threads. That will make you look very wise. Well you already wanted Hedo over Manu, so go figure.



I considered keeping Hedo over Manu during the regular season. Not during the summer. What's so wrong about that?

Try to figure it out yourself. I can't help you anymore on this topic.



Quite relevant, though I know you'd prefer to ignore it.

No. Totally irrelevant.


Since our team had and has more pressing needs, I'm questioning your sanity at this point.

In other words, you are saying that given that we still need a long 3, we should be putting Barry on the block now?

:tu

Do you have any other pearls of wisdom to share with us?



It has everything to do with your agreeing with me again. Thanks for all your support.

Again, I'm not agreeing with you.