George W. Bush vs. Jim Webb

[PixelPusher]

In Following His Own Script, Webb May Test Senate's Limits (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112801582.html)

By Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 29, 2006; Page A01

At a recent White House reception for freshman members of Congress, Virginia's newest senator tried to avoid President Bush. Democrat James Webb declined to stand in a presidential receiving line or to have his picture taken with the man he had often criticized on the stump this fall. But it wasn't long before Bush found him.

"How's your boy?" Bush asked, referring to Webb's son, a Marine serving in Iraq.

"I'd like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President," Webb responded, echoing a campaign theme.

"That's not what I asked you," Bush said. "How's your boy?"

"That's between me and my boy, Mr. President," Webb said coldly, ending the conversation on the State Floor of the East Wing of the White House.

Webb was narrowly elected to the U.S. Senate this month with a brash, unpolished style that helped win over independent voters in Virginia and earned him support from national party leaders. Now, his Democratic colleagues in the Senate are getting a close-up view of the former boxer, military officer and Republican who is joining their ranks.

If the exchange with Bush two weeks ago is any indication, Webb won't be a wallflower, especially when it comes to the war in Iraq. And he won't stick to a script drafted by top Democrats.

"I'm not particularly interested in having a picture of me and George W. Bush on my wall," Webb said in an interview yesterday in which he confirmed the exchange between him and Bush. "No offense to the institution of the presidency, and I'm certainly looking forward to working with him and his administration. [But] leaders do some symbolic things to try to convey who they are and what the message is."

In the days after the election, Webb's Democratic colleagues on Capitol Hill went out of their way to make nice with Bush and be seen by his side. House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) sat down for a lunch and photo opportunity with Bush, as did Democratic leaders in the Senate.

Not Webb, who said he tried to avoid a confrontation with Bush at the White House reception but did not shy away from one when the president approached.

The White House declined to discuss the encounter. "As a general matter, we do not comment on private receptions hosted by the president at the White House," said White House spokeswoman Dana M. Perino.

Webb said he has "strong ideas," but he also insisted that -- as a former Marine in Vietnam -- he knows how to work in a place such as the Senate, where being part of a team is important.

He plans to push for a new GI bill for soldiers who have served in the days since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, but not as a freshman senator. He has approached the Democratic leadership about getting senior legislators to sponsor the bill when the 110th Congress convenes in January.

A strong backer of gun rights, Webb may find himself at odds with many in his party. He expressed support during the campaign for a bill by his opponent, Sen. George Allen (R-Va.), that would allow concealed weapons in national parks. But an aide said this week that Webb will review Allen's legislation.

"There are going to be times when I've got some strong ideas, but I'm not looking to simply be a renegade," he said. "I think people in the Democratic Party leadership have already begun to understand that I know how to work inside a structure."

His party's leaders hope that he means it.

Top Democratic senators, including incoming Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) and Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), had invested their money and prestige in Webb before he won the party primary in June. His victory was also theirs, but now they have to make sure he's not a liability.

"He's not a typical politician. He really has deep convictions," said Schumer, who headed the Senate Democrats' campaign arm. "We saw this in the campaign. We would have disagreements. But when you made a persuasive argument, he would say, 'You're right.' I am truly not worried about it. He understands the need to be part of a team."

One senior Democratic staff member on Capitol Hill, who spoke on condition that he not be identified so he could speak freely about the new senator, said that Webb's lack of political polish was part of his charm as a candidate but could be a problem as a senator.

"I think he's going to be a total pain. He is going to do things his own way. That's a good thing and a bad thing," the staff member said. But he said that Webb's personality may be just what the Senate needs. "You need a little of everything. Some element of that personality is helpful."

Webb has started to put himself out front. On "Meet the Press" last week, he dispensed with the normal banter with host Tim Russert to talk seriously about Iraq and the need for economic justice in the United States.

He announced yesterday that he has hired Paul J. Reagan, a communications director for former governor Mark R. Warner (D) and a former chief of staff for U.S. Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.). It will be Reagan's job to help his boss navigate the intricacies of Washington and Capitol Hill without losing the essence of his personality.

"The relationships he has built over his long career will serve me well," Webb said in a statement yesterday.

Virginia Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D), who campaigned hard to get Webb elected, said yesterday that the first-time officeholder doesn't have the finesse of most experienced politicians.

"He is not a backslapper," Kaine said. "There are different models that succeed in politics. There's the hail-fellow-well-met model of backslapping. That's not his style."

But Kaine said that Webb's background, including a stint as Ronald Reagan's Navy secretary, will make him an important -- if unpredictable -- voice on the war in Iraq.

"There are no senators who have that everyday anxiety that he has as a dad with a youngster on the front lines. That gives him gravitas and credibility on this issue," Kaine said. "People in the Senate, I'm sure, will agree with him or disagree with him on issue to issue. But they won't doubt that he's coming at it from a real sense of duty."

Staff writer Peter Baker contributed to this report.

"Thats not what I asked you"...then don't bring up the topic, asshole.

[ChumpDumper]

What a jerk.

I like him even more now.

[jochhejaam]

"Thats not what I asked you"...then don't bring up the topic, asshole.
He didn't bring up the topic, he asked him how his boy was.

RIF and comprehension should be too.

[PixelPusher]

He didn't bring up the topic, he asked him how his boy was.

RIF and comprehension should be too.
Sorry, he doesn't get off that easy; context matters too, unless you want to argue Bush was completely unaware that Webb's son was serving in Iraq.

[PixelPusher]

Son also rises in testy Webb-Bush exchange (http://thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/UndertheDome/112906.html)

By Emily Heil

President Bush has pledged to work with the new Democratic majorities in Congress, but he has already gotten off on the wrong foot with Jim Webb, whose surprise victory over Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) tipped the Senate to the Democrats.

Webb, a decorated former Marine officer, hammered Allen and Bush over the unpopular war in Iraq while wearing his son’s old combat boots on the campaign trail. It seems the president may have some lingering resentment.

At a private reception held at the White House with newly elected lawmakers shortly after the election, Bush asked Webb how his son, a Marine lance corporal serving in Iraq, was doing.

Webb responded that he really wanted to see his son brought back home, said a person who heard about the exchange from Webb.

“I didn’t ask you that, I asked how he’s doing,” Bush retorted, according to the source.

Webb confessed that he was so angered by this that he was tempted to slug the commander-in-chief, reported the source, but of course didn’t. It’s safe to say, however, that Bush and Webb won’t be taking any overseas trips together anytime soon.
“Jim did have a conversation with Bush at that dinner,” said Webb’s spokeswoman Kristian Denny Todd. “Basically, he asked about Jim’s son, Jim expressed the fact that he wanted to have him home.” Todd did not want to escalate matters by commenting on Bush’s response, saying, “It was a private conversation.”

A White House spokeswoman declined to give Bush’s version of the conversation.
I'm guessing the opportunity to knock out some of Dubya's teeth wouldn't be worth getting riddled with bullets from Secret Service.

[Crookshanks]

Why couldn't he have said "doing well, Mr. President, but his mother and I are anxious to get him back home." That way he shows some respect for the President, while still conveying his thoughts on the war. There's no reason to be rude.

[ChumpDumper]

That way he shows some respect for the PresidentHe has no respect for the president. I don't agree with everything he does or says, but his lack of asskissing is refreshing. Webb was avoiding talking to the president; Bushie should have taken the hint.

[clambake]

Is that what we should do? Make sure we show him respect?

Webb should have told him his son was serving his country instead of avoiding service.

[PixelPusher]

Why couldn't he have said "doing well, Mr. President, but his mother and I are anxious to get him back home." That way he shows some respect for the President, while still conveying his thoughts on the war. There's no reason to be rude.
Kindly identify the "rude" member of the party during this domestic, apolitical exchange:

Husband: "So, how's your mother doing?"

Wife: "She's anxious to get out that nursing home you decided to put her in..."

Husband: "I didn't ask you about that, Goddammit! I asked how's your mother doing?"

Wife: "Oh. Um, she's doing much better, dear."

Husband: "Wonderful. Can you pass the salt please?"

[PixelPusher]

I'm sorry, but Bush's twisted, dictatorial idea of what polite small talk should be is too much fun! Here's more:

Bush: "Howdy neighbor!"

Neighbor: "Hey George! Good to see ya!"

Bush: "So have you gotten the Cadillac out of the body shop yet?"

Neighbor: "Well, acutally I still haven't heard from your insurance company about the damages..."

Bush: "I didn't ask you about that! I asked if you'd gotten the Caddy out of the body shop yet."

Neighbor: "Oh, uh...no not yet George!"

[turambar85]

My new favorite Senator. Not only beat Allen, has the balls to stop playing politics and stand up to Bush in person, but also supports gun rights.

[sandman]

He has no respect for the president. I don't agree with everything he does or says, but his lack of asskissing is refreshing. Webb was avoiding talking to the president; Bushie should have taken the hint.

It's always a fine line between giving the Office the respect that it deserves, even if you don't respect the man in the office. IF the comment about punching the POTUS in the mouth were accurate, that is breaching the line. Otherwise, he made his point with his initial response without disrespecting the Office. It will be interesting if we could see all the behind the scenes actions that will surely come as a result of this.

[clambake]

What happened to "earn respect"?

Just because it's the office of the pres. makes it untouchable?

[ChumpDumper]

It's always a fine line between giving the Office the respect that it deserves, even if you don't respect the man in the office. IF the comment about punching the POTUS in the mouth were accurate, that is breaching the line. Otherwise, he made his point with his initial response without disrespecting the Office. It will be interesting if we could see all the behind the scenes actions that will surely come as a result of this.All that punch in the face stuff was off the record, so I can't really fault him for that.

It'll be interesting to see if Webb really fits into the more sedate Senate as it seems he has the temperament better suited for the more raucous House.

[sandman]

What happened to "earn respect"?

Just because it's the office of the pres. makes it untouchable?

Thus, the fine line between the man and the Office.

The Office does not have to "earn" respect. It commands it as the position of our country's executive leadership.

The man does have to "earn" the respect as an individual by proving that he can handle the Office successfully.

The Office has held me in awe when thinking about what it represents; whereas, the majority of the men in recent years who have held the Office have underwhelmed me.

[boutons_]

"office of the pres. makes it untouchable?"

yes, when the occupant is a Repug.

When Clinton was there, the Repugs witchthunted him to distraction, and then thye blame him for not putting enough effort into al-Qaida. What if the Repugs had let Clinton do his job, and put the energy he put into defending himself against frivolous Repug attacks into concentrating more on terrorists?

hmm, maybe then the Repugs wouldn't be tatooed eternally for derelicton of NatSec duty in 2001?

[sandman]

"office of the pres. makes it untouchable?"

yes, when the occupant is a Repug.

When Clinton was there, the Repugs witchthunted him to distraction, and then thye blame him for not putting enough effort into al-Qaida. What if the Repugs had let Clinton do his job, and put the energy he put into defending himself against frivolous Repug attacks into concentrating more on terrorists?

hmm, maybe then the Repugs wouldn't be tatooed eternally for derelicton of NatSec duty in 2001?

Dang, you got some hate going, bro!

Give your blood pressure a break and watch the game tonight.

[jochhejaam]

My new favorite Senator. Not only beat Allen, has the balls to stop playing politics and stand up to Bush in person, but also supports gun rights.

1. Webb doesn't have the decency to answer a question without being a jerk.
2. The jerk wanted to punch the POTUS

Being an jerk isn't "standing up to the President", it's just being a jerk.


Conclusion: You love jerks who support gun rights. Wow

[PixelPusher]

1. Webb doesn't have the decency to answer a question without being a jerk.
2. The jerk wanted to punch the POTUS

Being an jerk isn't "standing up to the President", it's just being a jerk.


Conclusion: You love jerks who support gun rights. Wow

"That's between me and my boy, Mr. President" - wow, what an inflammatory statement! :rolleyes

Webb didn't want to dignify Bush's insincere, patronizing and downright JERKY question.

[turambar85]

1. Webb doesn't have the decency to answer a question without being a jerk.
2. The jerk wanted to punch the POTUS

Being an jerk isn't "standing up to the President", it's just being a jerk.


Conclusion: You love jerks who support gun rights. Wow

No, I support people who don't play political games, and will let a man know when he is being a dick.

I support a guy who has been in the Marines, yet doesn't fall into the trap of having to believe that our war activities must be considered perfectly just no matter what.

I support a guy who doesn't feel that he has to cave to the pressure of being a polite politician.

I support a democrat who stand up for gun rights.

I support Jim Webb.

[mikejones99]

A black dude standing up for Bush? What in the hell is the world coming to? Detroit

[jochhejaam]

"That's between me and my boy, Mr. President" - wow, what an inflammatory statement! :rolleyes

Webb didn't want to dignify Bush's insincere, patronizing and downright JERKY question.
Who said it was inflammatory? (Answer: you did). No biggie to me, but Webb was rude, and being rude is being in jerk.

Yeah, I always feel like someone's being a patronizing, insincere jerk when they ask me how my sons are doing.
And how do you know it was an insincere question? (I'll answer for you again, since you probably won't get it right) You don't.

[jochhejaam]

No, I support people who don't play political games, and will let a man know when he is being a dick.

I support a guy who has been in the Marines, yet doesn't fall into the trap of having to believe that our war activities must be considered perfectly just no matter what.

I support a guy who doesn't feel that he has to cave to the pressure of being a polite politician.

I support a democrat who stand up for gun rights.

I support Jim Webb.
Your rude hero is not a supporter of your "american idea" of same-sex marriage.


Jim is a Christian and believes in his faith that marriage is between one man and one woman. He would oppose any effort to infringe upon each religious institution’s right to define marriage as they see fit. (League of Women Voters Debate, 10/9/06) http://www.webbforsenate.com/press/release.php?id=188


Of course, since he "stood up" (:lol ) to Bush and supports gun rights on top of that, I'm sure you're willing to overlook this major flaw in his vision for America.


You really don't know much about the man, do you?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm sorry but where have all the Bush lovers been the last few months? Bush has demonized the democrats as not wanting to fight the war on terror. He said that if the dems win we will be less safe. Bush siad that dems want to surrender/cut and run /do not want to win in Iraq. Darth Vader cheney was out on the campaign trail trying to scare anyone who would listen and trashing any democrat he could..and now Bush wants to play nice? Sorry he's an asshole with all due repsect of course :clap ...

[George Gervin's Afro]

Your rude hero is not a supporter of your "american idea" of same-sex marriage.



Of course, since he "stood up" (:lol ) to Bush and supports gun rights on top of that, I'm sure you're willing to overlook this major flaw in his vision for America.


You really don't know much about the man, do you?


So are you saying that in order to support someone you need to agree with them on 100% of the issues? So then I guess I could say that since you support Bush you must enjoy the borders being wide open?

[turambar85]

Your rude hero is not a supporter of your "american idea" of same-sex marriage.



Of course, since he "stood up" (:lol ) to Bush and supports gun rights on top of that, I'm sure you're willing to overlook this major flaw in his vision for America.


You really don't know much about the man, do you?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that there were, in fact, ready-made cookie-cutter politicians that you can mold to your complete personal views.

Sure, gay marriage is, to me, the 2nd biggest issue at the moment, but you won't find many politicians who not only were are veterens and have problems with the war, speak their mind openly, support gun rights, annnd support gay marriage. It just doesn't happen.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that there were, in fact, ready-made cookie-cutter politicians that you can mold to your complete personal views.

Sure, gay marriage is, to me, the 2nd biggest issue at the moment, but you won't find many politicians who not only were are veterens and have problems with the war, speak their mind openly, support gun rights, annnd support gay marriage. It just doesn't happen.


Are you serious that gay marriage is an important issue?

[turambar85]

Are you serious that gay marriage is an important issue?

Yes, it is a key civil rights issue. Individual rights and liberties are as important to protect as are lives because they affect all generations.

I don't see why every-1 thinks that only "gays" would care about this issue, and are surprised that I am engaged. Were the only supporters of womens suffrage women? Were the abolitionists slaves? No, and this is our generations civil rights movement, and, when compared with the time in history, is no less than the others.

[sandman]

Yes, it is a key civil rights issue. Individual rights and liberties are as important to protect as are lives because they affect all generations.

I don't see why every-1 thinks that only "gays" would care about this issue, and are surprised that I am engaged. Were the only supporters of womens suffrage women? Were the abolitionists slaves? No, and this is our generations civil rights movement, and, when compared with the time in history, is no less than the others.

That's an insult to the lessons learned from the women's and minorities suffrage movements.

Gay people can vote. Gay people can attend the college of their choice. Gay people are not segregated to different restrooms, drinking fountains and eating establishments. Gay people are not even denied the right to partake in same-sex relationships.

The only "right" that a gay person cannot partake in as fully as any other American citizen is in relation to the legality of marriage. That pales in comparison to the second class citizenship that our country bestowed upon women and minorities for generations.

If you wish to make this an important issue to which you dedicate your effort to bring awareness and hopefully social change, have at it. That is your right. But don't make inane statements that the legal union rights of less than 5% of the population of the country can even begin to compare with woman's suffrage or the civil rights movement.

[turambar85]

That's an insult to the lessons learned from the women's and minorities suffrage movements.

Gay people can vote. Gay people can attend the college of their choice. Gay people are not segregated to different restrooms, drinking fountains and eating establishments. Gay people are not even denied the right to partake in same-sex relationships.

The only "right" that a gay person cannot partake in as fully as any other American citizen is in relation to the legality of marriage. That pales in comparison to the second class citizenship that our country bestowed upon women and minorities for generations.

If you wish to make this an important issue to which you dedicate your effort to bring awareness and hopefully social change, have at it. That is your right. But don't make inane statements that the legal union rights of less than 5% of the population of the country can even begin to compare with woman's suffrage or the civil rights movement.

Apparantly reading comprehension is not your strong-suit.

I said that, for this time in history it is. Slavery, at that time, was widespread and deeply ingrained in our society and all others. It existed throughout the globe.

Women's suffrage is the same situation.

Gay marriage is, for this point in history, as bad because as a society we have progressed so far that it is no longer excusable. We have made such great steps that to still have such a gaping hole in our civil constitution is a blaring error.

That is what I meant, and if slavery or womens suffrage was a problem now, then they would dwarf gay marriage...but they have been eradicated decades ago.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yes, it is a key civil rights issue. Individual rights and liberties are as important to protect as are lives because they affect all generations.

I don't see why every-1 thinks that only "gays" would care about this issue, and are surprised that I am engaged. Were the only supporters of womens suffrage women? Were the abolitionists slaves? No, and this is our generations civil rights movement, and, when compared with the time in history, is no less than the others.


I was just curious. I have never really understood how allowing gays to marry would destroy or damage traditional marraige. I like what Kinky Friedman said about gay marriage (to parpahrase).. . "why not let them suffer along with everyone else" in responding to a question about his view on gay marriage. I don't consider on the level of the civil rights movement but I do see it as an equal rights issue.. Personally I don't care if they do or not. All of my gay friends don't want to marry they just want spousal type benefits.. insurance etc.. that traditional couple have.. Anyway this is way off this topic

[sandman]

Apparantly reading comprehension is not your strong-suit.

I said that, for this time in history it is. Slavery, at that time, was widespread and deeply ingrained in our society and all others. It existed throughout the globe.

Women's suffrage is the same situation.

Gay marriage is, for this point in history, as bad because as a society we have progressed so far that it is no longer excusable. We have made such great steps that to still have such a gaping hole in our civil constitution is a blaring error.

That is what I meant, and if slavery or womens suffrage was a problem now, then they would dwarf gay marriage...but they have been eradicated decades ago.

So man has evolved, civilly advanced himself enough and cured all the social ills to the point where same-sex marriage in today's society is just as blatantly and poignantly a blight on the human race as slavery and woman's suffrage were in their day?

Forgive me if the correlation does not relate as strongly to me as it does to you.

[George Gervin's Afro]

So man has evolved, civilly advanced himself enough and cured all the social ills to the point where same-sex marriage in today's society is just as blatantly and poignantly a blight on the human race as slavery and woman's suffrage were in their day?

Forgive me if the correlation does not relate as strongly to me as it does to you.


Sandman do you live in Katy? I'm curious because I do..

[sandman]

Sandman do you live in Katy? I'm curious because I do..

Yep, but not in Katy proper. I live on N Fry.

[xrayzebra]

Yes, it is a key civil rights issue. Individual rights and liberties are as important to protect as are lives because they affect all generations.

I don't see why every-1 thinks that only "gays" would care about this issue, and are surprised that I am engaged. Were the only supporters of womens suffrage women? Were the abolitionists slaves? No, and this is our generations civil rights movement, and, when compared with the time in history, is no less than the others.

Dummy, it isn't about civil rights. It is about sexual preference. That they
want to legitimize. Get a friggin life.

[xrayzebra]

If Webb is so damn independent and hates Bush so much, why didn't he just skip
the WH invitation. Noooooo, He had to have a confrontation and then make a dumb
statement like: I could have slugged him. Maybe he should have tried. Just maybe
Bush may have slugged back.......

[George Gervin's Afro]

Dummy, it isn't about civil rights. It is about sexual preference. That they
want to legitimize. Get a friggin life.


No you dummy this issue has nothing to do with sexual preference.. sorry ray but there has always been and there will always be gay folks. you don't have to accept them but most civilized people do. these people want the same rights as heterosexual couples have...very simple ray..

[sandman]

No you dummy this issue has nothing to do with sexual preference.. sorry ray but there has always been and there will always be gay folks. you don't have to accept them but most civilized people do. these people want the same rights as heterosexual couples have...very simple ray..

Considering the number of states that are voting against gay marriages, we must be the most uncivilized nation on the face of the earth.

Civil unions? Legal recognition of a relationship for beneficiary purposes? I am willing to accept that, even if the concept of homosexuality is in contradiction with my personal value system. If we are going to provide those types of benefits to non-married heterosexual partners, then we need to be consistent.

But I would make all efforts to oppose the use of the term marriage. As much as the propoganda machine would like for a same sex union to be identical to a marriage, there is one major difference that will separate the two: copulative procreation.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Considering the number of states that are voting against gay marriages, we must be the most uncivilized nation on the face of the earth.

Civil unions? Legal recognition of a relationship for beneficiary purposes? I am willing to accept that, even if the concept of homosexuality is in contradiction with my personal value system. If we are going to provide those types of benefits to non-married heterosexual partners, then we need to be consistent.

But I would make all efforts to oppose the use of the term marriage. As much as the propoganda machine would like for a same sex union to be identical to a marriage, there is one major difference that will separate the two: copulative procreation.


Most civlized people recognize that their are gay people. ray seems to think that gay people/homosexuality will eventually go away As far as the gay marriage issue I feel it is strictly used to bash gay folks... they are easy prey and it plays to a person bias.. As I mentioned the gay friends that I have want the same benefits that heterosexual couples have... they could do without the marriage..

[xrayzebra]

No you dummy this issue has nothing to do with sexual preference.. sorry ray but there has always been and there will always be gay folks. you don't have to accept them but most civilized people do. these people want the same rights as heterosexual couples have...very simple ray..


Except they aren't gay. They are homosexuals. Get the terminology right.
And it has nothing to do with civilized people. Quit using buzz words and
talk about what it is all about. Sexual preference. Which they tout.
And heterosexuals don't. They can legalize their relationship by simply
going to a lawyer and making out power of attorneys and wills. No big
deal. Except they want to the legal recognition of a sexual act.

[clambake]

Ray, is Archie Bunker your favorite character?

[ChumpDumper]

If Webb is so damn independent and hates Bush so much, why didn't he just skip
the WH invitation. Noooooo, He had to have a confrontationNooooooo, he didn't. Bushie didn't have to track him down and ask him such a stupidly loaded question.

[sandman]

Nooooooo, he didn't. Bushie didn't have to track him down and ask him such a stupidly loaded question.

Bush could have chosen not to force the matter and Webb could have chosen to respond in the manner than he did. They are both big boys and knew what they were doing.

Besides, without this incident we would be talking about mango trees growing where once saltgrass used to grow and the migrating patterns of butterflies.

This is much more sensational.

[xrayzebra]

Oh, Chump how is your family doing? Oh, I'm sorry I
didn't mean to be so confrontational. That is such a
pointed question.

[clambake]

Webb ran his race wearing his sons boots, Ray. Bush's question about his son was return fire.

[Yonivore]

He has no respect for the president. I don't agree with everything he does or says, but his lack of asskissing is refreshing. Webb was avoiding talking to the president; Bushie should have taken the hint.


"At a recent White House reception for freshman members of Congress, Virginia's newest senator tried to avoid President Bush."
It was a White House function, avoiding the President could have been accomplished by not attending.

Look, I have no qualms with the guy beeing a jackass to the President. But, this Democratic Congress sure is getting off to a bad start, if you ask me.

I suspect this particular freshman will live up to his nickname of "One-Term Jim."

[clambake]

Considering what you said about Obama, I understand you attraction to Allen.

just kidding

[ChumpDumper]

Look, I have no qualms with the guy beeing a jackass to the President. But, this Democratic Congress sure is getting off to a bad start, if you ask me.Webb is the best thing about this start.

Bushie's handlers let him down -- again. Any sane person would have told him he's a loose cannon and nothing good would come from tracking him down.
Oh, Chump how is your family doing? Oh, I'm sorry I
didn't mean to be so confrontational. That is such a
pointed question.I don't expect you to understand.
This is much more sensational.Yeah, it pretty much enhances Webb's maverick status. It'll be interesting to see how far it goes in the Senate.

[ChumpDumper]

Considering what you said about Obama, I understand you attraction to Allen.

just kiddingI agree, and I'm not kidding.

[xrayzebra]

Yes, it is a key civil rights issue. Individual rights and liberties are as important to protect as are lives because they affect all generations.


Well I guess the horse didn't think this guy had any individual rights and
liberties. But I am sure you do. What if a man wants to marry a horse or
his dog or say a nice young boy. You find that okay?

Sundance picks Seattle film on horse-sex case

The Sundance Film Festival announced Wednesday that Seattle filmmaker Robinson Devor's documentary "Zoo" has been accepted into the 2007 festival's documentary competition. The film examines the widely reported case of an Enumclaw man who died in 2005 after having sex with a horse.

"Zoo" is one of 16 documentaries selected for competition (out of 856 submitted), all of which will screen as world premieres. Devor has had two previous films at Sundance: the made-in-Seattle drama "Police Beat," and "The Woman Chaser."

The Sundance Film Festival will take place Jan. 18-28 in Park City, Utah.

[turambar85]

Well I guess the horse didn't think this guy had any individual rights and
liberties. But I am sure you do. What if a man wants to marry a horse or
his dog or say a nice young boy. You find that okay?

Sundance picks Seattle film on horse-sex case

The Sundance Film Festival announced Wednesday that Seattle filmmaker Robinson Devor's documentary "Zoo" has been accepted into the 2007 festival's documentary competition. The film examines the widely reported case of an Enumclaw man who died in 2005 after having sex with a horse.

"Zoo" is one of 16 documentaries selected for competition (out of 856 submitted), all of which will screen as world premieres. Devor has had two previous films at Sundance: the made-in-Seattle drama "Police Beat," and "The Woman Chaser."

The Sundance Film Festival will take place Jan. 18-28 in Park City, Utah.

X-ray, have some common sense. You know damned well that marrying a horse or child is different than marrying another man.

A horse can not give any consent. A child cannot give legal consent.

Consent is key.

All gay marriages would be based on mutual consent, and often love.

Drop the bigotry at the door for now on.

[clambake]

Well, maybe one horse. Mr. Ed.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Well I guess the horse didn't think this guy had any individual rights and
liberties. But I am sure you do. What if a man wants to marry a horse or
his dog or say a nice young boy. You find that okay?

Sundance picks Seattle film on horse-sex case

The Sundance Film Festival announced Wednesday that Seattle filmmaker Robinson Devor's documentary "Zoo" has been accepted into the 2007 festival's documentary competition. The film examines the widely reported case of an Enumclaw man who died in 2005 after having sex with a horse.

"Zoo" is one of 16 documentaries selected for competition (out of 856 submitted), all of which will screen as world premieres. Devor has had two previous films at Sundance: the made-in-Seattle drama "Police Beat," and "The Woman Chaser."

The Sundance Film Festival will take place Jan. 18-28 in Park City, Utah.

For the conservatives who continually use the same GOP talking point argument .." what if someone wants to marry a tree/child/aninmal.." etc.. It is the choice of 2 consenting adults. Very simple concept for even Ray to understand

[ChumpDumper]

Sundance picks Seattle film on horse-sex case:lol

Does X have "horse-sex" as a phrase in his news alerts?

[gtownspur]

:lol

Does X have "horse-sex" as a phrase in his news alerts?

And you have Xray on post alerts if there were such.

Which is scarier?

[ChumpDumper]

Nah, I read this forum.

Since you have chimed in on every post I have made today, it is easy to see that you are the stalker here.

[xrayzebra]

Chump, I take it that you like the horses. Just be careful, you might get kicked
too. I am sure you are familiar with the term: "stump broke". Yeah, I am sure
you are.

[gtownspur]

Nah, I read this forum.

Since you have chimed in on every post I have made today, it is easy to see that you are the stalker here.

:p: You're so cute Chump, you think Big Bad Gtown is here to violate you.


That's very observative, but the fact is, that 85% of your post consist of you heckling Crookshanks, Xray, or Yoni.

All one has to do is observe your posting patterns, (which would be a waste of time) and see that you're nothing but a troll with Mod powers.

[boutons_]

Remark By Webb Arouses Passions

Exchange With Bush Further Polarizes Supporters, Critics

By Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 2, 2006; B01

RICHMOND, Dec. 1 -- An icy exchange between President Bush and Virginia Sen.-elect James Webb that was made public this week has turned Webb into something of a folk hero among critics of the president, who have longed for someone to challenge his bravado.

( may there be many copy-cats that puncture dubya's bubble with personal confrontation )

At the same time, Webb's refusal to play the gentlemanly political games so common in Washington has angered conservatives ( they are continually pissed of anyway. What's a little more? ))and renewed questions about how well he fits with other politicians in a sharply divided Congress, where compromise will be key.

"He already has become what Washington did not need another of, a subtraction from the city's civility and clear speaking," conservative columnist George Will wrote Thursday.

( I read this Will article yesterday. Normally, I respect his writing because he serious, intelliegent, and doesn't dumb himself down for the rabble/sheeple. but this article was pure rabble/sheeple pablum )

On the campaign trail, Webb rarely minced words about Bush, repeatedly calling the Iraq war "a blunder of historic proportions." At the White House reception last month, Webb said, he tried to avoid interacting with the president. But when Bush walked up to Webb to ask about his son, a Marine in Iraq, Webb hinted at the campaign criticism.

"I'd like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President," Webb said, according to a description of the conversation by several people familiar with the exchange. Webb confirmed the account this week.

"That's not what I asked you," Bush replied. "How's your boy?"

"That's between me and my boy, Mr. President," Webb responded.

Norman J. Ornstein, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, said that in the short run, the incident will boost Webb's standing among the part of the electorate that is angry about the Iraq war and eager to see Bush blamed for it.

"People will see he deeply cares about this issue and is willing to stand up to the president," Ornstein said. "He's not going to be driven by the normal proprieties in this business."

( since when does thise Wash DC "business" of lying, corruption, starting phony wars, Repug-fueled extreme polarization and extremity have "proprieties"? Repug hypocrits, as always. )

Virginia Attorney General Robert F. McDonnell (R), whose daughter was stationed in Iraq this year, said it was Webb who turned the president's question into an issue.

"I understand having a child over in harm's way in Iraq. You take the situation over there much more personally," McDonnell said. "The problem for Mr. Webb is he's got to learn a little bit better about having a sense of decorum. To be an effective U.S. senator, you have to deal in a collegial manner."

( Wash DC decorum? GMAFB Ken Starr's witch hunt was "decorum"? Gingrich, DeLay, Hastert provide "decorum" ?

But Webb chief of staff Paul J. Reagan said the senator-elect is going to be effective once he takes office next month.

"Sen.-elect Webb is looking forward to a successful term working with the administration and his colleagues in the Senate from both sides of the aisle on the critical issues facing the country," Reagan said. "He does not consider the incident two weeks ago to be consequential."

Ornstein said he doubts whether there will be any long-lasting impact for either Bush or Webb. The president has vetoed only one bill in the six years he has been in office, so it is unlikely he would veto Webb legislation just because of the brief conversation, Ornstein said.

And Webb's influence is likely to extend beyond individual bills. His military background -- and now his reputation for speaking bluntly -- will give him more power in the Senate on the Iraq war and foreign policy, Ornstein said. Webb will serve on the foreign relations and armed services committees.

"The Senate always has a few iconoclasts," he said. "I think the president was trying to be a nice guy. It was classic Webb, in a way, because he feels so strongly about the war."

That is clearly how some people saw it this week.

Among hundreds of comments posted on The Washington Post Web site, many Virginia residents and others praised Webb's courage in standing up to Bush.

"Webb is someone who is going to bring things to [Bush's] attention and let him know that not all these fawning bureaucrats represent what's going on in the nation," said Robert A. Brunner, 79, a retired chef in Fossil, Ore.

"You get the impression that these are all back-slapping cronies and wheeling dealing" in Washington, Brunner said. "I really think he needs someone to pull him up short and say, 'Hey, this is reality.' "

John Zemler, 45, a retired Army captain who teaches scripture and theology at Marquette University, said he was impressed by Webb's rejection of the niceties of Capitol Hill politics.

"I hate when someone campaigns on being different, and then they go to Washington and they're just another gray suit with a red or blue tie," he said. "I don't see that in Jim Webb."

But the conversation rankled others in the country, who said the president was trying to be kind by asking about Webb's son. Many said Webb's responses violated basic tenets of politeness and respect for the presidency.

In an opinion piece published Friday in the Washington Times, R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr., a founder of the conservative American Spectator newspaper, compared Webb to Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and John F. Kerry (Mass.), National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, former vice president Al Gore and "so many other Democratic notables as a rebarbative blowhard with whom you would not want to share a gondola."

Tyrrell accused Webb of "boorish behavior" and said he "is going to be a vast source of amusement, and he will fit in nicely with the unpleasant pols whose political base is the Angry Left."

Teri Meintel, 47, a health-care worker from Richmond, was equally critical of Webb.

A single mother of six and the daughter of a military father, she said that she was embarrassed for Virginians and that Webb treated the president with disrespect.

( but Teri would have loved it if a DeLay did the same to Clinton )

"It was such a Dixie Chick thing to do," she said, referring to the band whose lead singer was ridiculed for insulting Bush in 2003. "Nothing personal against the Dixie Chicks. But you can have all the opinion you want that he's wrong. But he's still the president."

( except when President's get blow jobs, then they're not presidents )

Meintel, whose son is in the military serving in Kosovo, said Webb's reaction to Bush's question seemed designed to make a point.

"I think that 'How's your son doing?' is the most bipartisan thing the president could ask him," Meintel said Friday. "What else is he supposed to say?"

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"the most bipartisan thing"

Bullshit, it was condescending and phonily ingratiating. We know dubya doesn't do his homework, his WH has had almost no relatons with Congress in 6 years, so somebody tutored dubya what to say. Phony bullshit. Up your lying, murderous, nose, dubya. you doan git no respek nowhere.

[ChumpDumper]

That's very observative, but the fact is, that 85% of your post consist of you heckling Crookshanks, Xray, or Yoni.And the percentage of your posts today used to stalk me?
All one has to do is observe your posting patterns, (which would be a waste of time)Time you have no trouble spending since you are obsessed with me.
and see that you're nothing but a troll with Mod powers.And you're nothing but a whiny stalker who will only prove that more if he continues to respond to my carefully categorized and scrutinized and patternized posts.

[gtownspur]

And the percentage of your posts today used to stalk me?Time you have no trouble spending since you are obsessed with me.And you're nothing but a whiny stalker who will only prove that more if he continues to respond to my carefully categorized and scrutinized and patternized posts.


I posted again you silly fag,

go call the cops. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

And you're nothing but a whiny stalker who will only prove that more if he continues to respond to my carefully categorized and scrutinized and patternized posts.

[Yonivore]

...a troll with Mod powers.
I think we have a new nickname fore Chumpy.

http://sydlexia.com/imagesandstuff/spring/troll.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Aw, Linus let go of his blanket long enough to post a pic.

I troll all over the boards all the time. Nice of you tards to finally pick up on that.

[gtownspur]

Aw, Linus let go of his blanket long enough to post a pic.

I troll all over the boards all the time. Nice of you tards to finally pick up on that.


Admission to guilt is the first step of recovery from Fucktardism.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

Troll is not a derogatory term in SpursTalkland. If you can't handle it there are plenty of other message boards out there, pussy.