What's AI worth to SA?

[ManuTastic]

OK, I'll start it:

Would you want AI here? He has 3 yrs left on his contract, and will make $17.1 million with $19M and $20.8M after that. So it would take a pretty major trade (read: Manu, Tony, or both) to make it work.

Ups: League-leading scorer, tough, makes his own shot, highly competetive
Downs: 31 yrs old, often considered selfish, might not be able to blend into a team that's not all-AI-all-the-time.

Still, you gotta ask it: does Duncan+AI+ whoever the hell else you want = championships? Is best big man + best little man a cool idea?
:smokin

[T Park]

if you want to Trade Parker and Ginobili for him, go ahead, personally I don't.

[Sweet Pea]

it's an interesting question.....would he be the same AI in PHI causing team chemistry problems or would the presence of POP & TD mellow him out? I wouldn't give up any of our big-3 for him.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

He's not worth any of the big three to me. He's got some talent in him but I'd rather see the front office make moves for somebody younger.

[celldweller]

Duncan & Iverson didn't work out well in the Olympics, It will never work out here.

[Mr. Body]

Philly won't get top dollar for him, but there's nothing we could offer, or should.

[Sweet Pea]

Duncan & Iverson didn't work out well in the Olympics, It will never work out here.

If our recent history in the Olympics is how measure....SAS would be in a heap of doo doo. Remember TD couldn't do squat in international play.

[midgetonadonkey]

I wouldn't even trade a dirty Tony Massenburg jersey for AI.

[SequSpur]

Parker > Iverson.

[dimsah]

No thanks. We have a shoot-first point guard already except ours shoots above 42% for his career, and he doesn't often lead the league in turnovers.

[AFBlue]

Parker > Iverson.

Tough debate on that one. Iverson has a much more complete offensive game, and plays the passing lane well on defense....

But Tony is 7 years younger, has half the cost, and one could argue that Tony isn't averaging 30+ points a game because the offense goes primarily through Tim and not him...

I'd give the talent edge to iverson right now, but in a year or two I think you're right. Either way, it's a smart play to keep Tony for the long term, rather than going after AI because it would almost certainly be TP going out the door in a trade...

[mardigan]

We just dont have , or would want to make, room for him. I love Iverson personally, and think that his heart and desire to win are top notch, just not a good fit for the team, even the city

[SilverSpur]

I would like to see him in San Antonio but I would not give up any of our big three.
I would trade two or three player like Brent Barry, Beno Udrich, Fabrico Oberto, James White, and or the rights to Luis Scola and or draft picks.
I cant help but think that some how Allen Iverson will end up playing with Kevin Garrnet in Minnesota or in Philadelphia.
I have seen A.I. wearing spurs apparel on several tv interviews, maybe he is hinting at something.
Overall I wouldnt mind having him here but again dont touch the big three or Finely.
Maybe a three or four team trade would be better

[SequSpur]

Tough debate on that one. Iverson has a much more complete offensive game, and plays the passing lane well on defense....

But Tony is 7 years younger, has half the cost, and one could argue that Tony isn't averaging 30+ points a game because the offense goes primarily through Tim and not him...

I'd give the talent edge to iverson right now, but in a year or two I think you're right. Either way, it's a smart play to keep Tony for the long term, rather than going after AI because it would almost certainly be TP going out the door in a trade...

Earn your name in the regular season, earn your fame in the playoffs.

Parker 2 rings
Iverson 0.

[phxspurfan]

man touch finley all the way. if we can dump finley and add iverson in the same deal, i would rejoice like a southern baptist at KFC

[phxspurfan]

Earn your name in the regular season, earn your fame in the playoffs.

Parker 2 rings
Iverson 0.


iverson single-handedly took on shaq and kobe at their primes and won a finals game. i'm pretty sure we got swept that year.

[Big Shot Rob]

I would propose the following:

1. Butler

2. Bonner

3. Rights to scola

4. Future draft pick

5. Cash--1,500

Tell Philly--take it or leave it--

Oh--one more thing--Philly--you continue to pay his contract (a la Mark Cuban).

[Drive Like Jehu]

No thanks, the Spurs don't have the salary to match unless they include Parker, Ginobili, or Duncan.

[Sweet Pea]

man touch finley all the way. if we can dump finley and add iverson in the same deal, i would rejoice like a southern baptist at KFC

agreed....Fin is not a factor in a deal like this.

[boutons_]

Iverson would move to SA?

If people think Tony hogs the ball, ....

[Behrooz24]

Earn your name in the regular season, earn your fame in the playoffs.

Parker 2 rings
Iverson 0.

I'm pretty sure Pop, Duncan and Manu might of helped

[Kori Ellis]

I would propose the following:

1. Butler

2. Bonner

3. Rights to scola

4. Future draft pick

5. Cash--1,500

Tell Philly--take it or leave it--

Oh--one more thing--Philly--you continue to pay his contract (a la Mark Cuban).

It doesn't work like that in the real world, but good try.

[1Parker1]

I'm all for the Spurs sending Parker + Manu to Philly for AI :smokin

[midgetonadonkey]

man touch finley all the way. if we can dump finley and add iverson in the same deal, i would rejoice like a southern baptist at KFC

Do all southern baptists like KFC or something?

[SequSpur]

Tony Parker is better right now than AI. He has many more years to come, AI is almost done.

Plus Parker is better financially for those spurstalk salary analysts that give a shit about what a player makes.

AI is cool though.

[exstatic]

iverson single-handedly took on shaq and kobe at their primes and won a finals game. i'm pretty sure we got swept that year.
I'm pretty sure that was 5 years ago and 500,000 miles on his frail frame.

[midgetonadonkey]

AI would make the Spurs more hip-hop.

[cheguevara]

Tony Parker is better right now than AI. He has many more years to come, AI is almost done.

Plus Parker is better financially for those spurstalk salary analysts that give a shit about what a player makes.

AI is cool though.

I agree that I wouldn't trade Parker for AI, wouldn't even consider it.

But I woulnd't say Parker > AI or even that Parker earned his fame in the playoffs, Parker coasted on Duncan + Manu's fame in the playoffs.

[SequSpur]

I agree that I wouldn't trade Parker for AI, wouldn't even consider it.

But I woulnd't say Parker > AI or even that Parker earned his fame in the playoffs, Parker coasted on Duncan + Manu's fame in the playoffs.


whatever.

[baseline bum]

I'd trade Manu and whatever else of our bench it took to get AI. Duncan and Parker are untouchable though.

[1Parker1]

AI would make the Spurs more hip-hop.

:lmao I thought Tony did that with his rap album?

[Bambililos]

I don't think AI is worth any of our big3. But if I were to try, I would send Manu and Finley or Barry. They are old anyway.
Trading Parker would be a mistake, considering he will improve again in the next years...
And Duncan is untouchable, of course.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Spurs have no real assets other than tim tony and manu, manu is by far the most expendable but having a short shooting guard as a starter would make us an even worse rebounding team, so its not a good idea whatsoever, even if it were contractually feasible.

[JLH Fans]

Hi all.I hope I have a good idea,that would be perfect for both teams:

Parker+Barry+Williams +Scola's rights for Iverson
But I hope he will come to Minneapolis of course:)

[LaMarcus Bryant]

hi JLH Fans, your idea is totally horrible, and is completely imperfect for the Spurs.

[JLH Fans]

hi JLH Fans, your idea is totally horrible, and is completely imperfect for the Spurs.

Horrible?!Why the hell please?
What would U give for AI?
Butler+scrubs?Don't make me laugh.
I know AI would'n be fit here,but that is not what this topic is about.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The front office would never give up parker.

[JLH Fans]

The front office would never give up parker.
I am agree.
And the Phily would not accept any deal with the Spurs without TP:)

[Manatee]

Tony Parker is better right now than AI.

:wtf

Uh...no he's not.

But after you win win three NBA titles and are right in the mix to win a 4th, why would you take such a huge potentially franchise killing gamble? You might win the title without him (although I think Pop needs to make a smaller move at some point here to get that edge back). And with him, if it does not work out then it closes this entire era and as he and Tim head toward 35 you sink back to the lottery with a self inflicted gunshot wound. Let Minnesota take the risk. The Spurs are already right there without him.

[ManuTastic]

I personally wouldn't do it, mainly because I think AI's a ballhog and wouldn't fit into the whole team concept, and I wouldnt want to give up Manu or Tony. I wouldn't trade Tony b/c he's turning into great player, and Manu I wouldn't trade because then you'd have a starting lineup featuring two small shoot-first point guards, and NY already rocks that. But a lot of teams out there are wondering about it now, and with a guy that talented, you have to at least consider it.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

you have to at least consider it.
Consider it yes, but the front office would never pull the trigger on that trade. Besides this team isn't in need of a drastic change in acquiring AI. Give me any one out side the big three for Gerald Wallace and Brevin knight though.
:drunk

[ZStomp]

No.

[Beaverfuzz]

No, AI isn't a good fit for San Antonio.

[Emanuel20]

whatever.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cheguevara

I agree that I wouldn't trade Parker for AI, wouldn't even consider it.

But I woulnd't say Parker > AI or even that Parker earned his fame in the playoffs, Parker coasted on Duncan + Manu's fame in the playoffs.



YOU KNOW THAT IS TRUE! (w/o manu's+duncan's fame in the playoffs tony would not have gotten his second ring)

[exstatic]

Tony is a MUCH younger, MUCH more efficient player who fits our system. AI is a warrior, but he wouldn't fit here, as he needs WAY too many touches for his game to shine.

[dimsah]

Holy shit! Why is this thread still active? Are there that many Spurs fans who want to destroy the franchise?

[phxspurfan]

I'd trade Manu and whatever else of our bench it took to get AI. Duncan and Parker are untouchable though.

thats my worst nightmare. wed become the knicks (jamaal crawford and stephon) with tim duncan. too many ball hogs and a depleted bench. that would tear apart our team faster than anything else. including an injury to tim.

[SenorSpur]

I was waiting for someone to bring this up - though I'm not sure why. There's no doubt that AI is a great, great player. But did you ever stop to wonder WHY it aint working for him in Philly? For the same reason it wont work for him anywhere else - he's unwilling to mold his game to fit the concept of a team structure.

Sure he's a dominant offensive player and is practically unguardable. Yet he dribbles way too much, is a volume shooter and plays little to no defense. So much so that he chokes the life out of other players on the offensive end and the end result is that you've got 4 teammates standing around. There are a couple of good, young players up there in Philly. However, they'll never have a chance to develop because of him.

I don't believe he's selfish in the vein of say a Kobe Bryant and I don't blame him completely because his playing style is the only one he knows. Yet and still, he's the very antithesis of a Spurs player and I don't believe for one minute that he would change his game to fit in here. The one time he did, he ended up in the Finals with Larry Brown.

Besides, the players you'd have to give up in return and his cap-eating salary would certainly prohibit this venture.

[Spurminator]

I'd consider Parker for Iverson. I'm a big Parker fan, but AI plays the way Pop has been molding Parker to play, just better. We'd be sacrificing some defense but I think the offensive improvement would more than make up for it.

[Kori Ellis]

I'd consider Parker for Iverson. I'm a big Parker fan, but AI plays the way Pop has been molding Parker to play, just better. We'd be sacrificing some defense but I think the offensive improvement would more than make up for it.

Offensive improvement of someone who shoots 10% less from the field. I would actually like AI in San Antonio in his mid 30's when his contract is done and he won't make astronomical money or need/be able to dominate the ball. But I wouldn't want him in SA at the expense of Parker (plus Ginobili or a lot of other players).

[Spurminator]

Parker wouldn't have that FG% on the Sixers. Give Iverson a Tim Duncan in the middle and I bet he gets to the basket a little easier.

Hell, give Duncan an Allen Iverson...

Just saying, it's interesting to think about. I could see things opening up a lot more.

[tsb2000]

What I can tell is that if KG wants out of Minny, that could be his shot. Neither will get to play for a better team, but both seem to want a change of scenery.

[Spurminator]

Parker + Manu would be too much, I agree. I'd rather give up Manu, but then the downgrade at SG is greater than the upgrade at PG.

[milkyway21]

AI is my favorite point guard. He's a warrior. But i doubt if he fits working with the Spurs system. There's too much discipline here. And AI sometimes likes to have his own way of doing things, such as practice time.

[T Park]

Just heard from the president of the Sixers on Sportscenter clip "Iverson has probobly played his last game as a sixer"

Wow, what a shocking comment...

[phyzik]

Unless Duncan is gone at the time AI is available... dont fucking fix what isnt broke... fuck AI (for now).

Other then that, fuck ya, I'll take his ass any day for the Spurs if he can adjust his attitude. I still want this team to be more physical, just not that "gangsta" :lol

[Kori Ellis]

Just heard from the president of the Sixers on Sportscenter clip "Iverson has probobly played his last game as a sixer"

Wow, what a shocking comment...

Yeah I think there is a deal done and they just are holding him out of playing right now until it officially goes through.

Because AI got sent home from practice and they said he wasn't going to play the next two games and he says he's not even hurt.

[T Park]

Yeah thats the feeling Im getting.

Very very intrigued to see who he goes to.

Wouldn't be shocked at all to see Dallas get him.

[Kori Ellis]

Probably Minnesota (not for KG).

[T Park]

if so, then Minnesota jets right back to the top as a Western conference contender.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Hell, no.

Not even for cheap. We don't add 12th guys on our roster who we think might mess up our chemistry. What makes you think Pop would add a guy he has to pay superstar money and is a chemistry killer?

[Please_dont_ban_me]

if so, then Minnesota jets right back to the top as a Western conference contender.

Doubt it.

They've had Cassell, Spree, Ricky Davis and Wally's world. What would AI bring to the table that those other me-first guys didn't? It'll be the same as always. Good regular season, 1st or 2nd round exit in the playoffs.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

AI is my favorite point guard. He's a warrior. But i doubt if he fits working with the Spurs system. There's too much discipline here. And AI sometimes likes to have his own way of doing things, such as practice time.

At this point I hope he's realised having coaches he 'likes' isn't necessarily best for his team record-wise.

As for him fitting the Spurs system, I think he could. If you use him in a Manu type role. He can't be you're primary guy bringing the ball up-court. If we didn't have Manu/Finley I'd say get him in a heartbeat. Pop can do alot of what Larry Brown did with AI, minus the stick-up-my-ass attitude.

[T Park]

What makes you think Pop would add a guy he has to pay superstar money and is a chemistry killer?

Signed Glenn Robinson who was supposedly a chemistry killer.

[Squid]

Signed Glenn Robinson who was supposedly a chemistry killer.

Glenn Robinson wasn't paid superstar money by the Spurs.

[T Park]

would AI bring to the table that those other me-first guys didn't? It'll be the same as always. Good regular season, 1st or 2nd round exit in the playoffs

Other than AI being prob one of the best scoring guards in the history of the NBA, compared to those guys, uh quite a bit.

[T Park]

Glenn Robinson wasn't paid superstar money by the Spurs

Nope, but the point is, he was a chemistry killer.

The Spurs have gone after chemistry killers before too.


I just don't think the contract AI has meshes with the 08 plan.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Signed Glenn Robinson who was supposedly a chemistry killer.

Like Squid said, he wasn't paid superstar money.

Also he was brought in an extremely short leash...and he obeyed and was a good doggy. You can't do that with AI. You think he's going to come here on a 10-day contract and earn his 2-3 year deal?

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Other than AI being prob one of the best scoring guards in the history of the NBA, compared to those guys, uh quite a bit.

Name one teammate of his who went to the All-star game while being a 76'er.

[T Park]

Name one teammate of his who went to the All-star game while being a 76'er

?

Thats been part of his problem he hasn't had any good teammates, and they haven't acquired any.

I think though Dekembe Mutombo did though.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

dont fucking fix what isnt broke

Exactly.

[Steve-O-Matic]

How about Iverson and F/C Alan Henderson to SA for Barry, Oberto, Bonner and Williams? The trade works from a salary standpoint.

[T Park]

I'd do that trade so fast, your head would spin.

[Mr. Body]

How about Iverson and F/C Alan Henderson to SA for Barry, Oberto, Bonner and Williams? The trade works from a salary standpoint.

Philly can get far better than that, and they'll still be selling AI cheap. If that's the package they got for the guy, there'd be riots in the city.

[Kori Ellis]

How about Iverson and F/C Alan Henderson to SA for Barry, Oberto, Bonner and Williams? The trade works from a salary standpoint.

The Sixers can get a better deal than that. Plus they couldn't fit all those players on their roster.

[aaronstampler]

Um, I like AI, but we have the best team now, we don't need him. Check our scoring differential, we're the best team. With Manu finishing the game we're like 14-2.

Unless we're trading him for Finley, Williams, and Horry, I'm not interested.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

?

Thats been part of his problem he hasn't had any good teammates, and they haven't acquired any.

I think though Dekembe Mutombo did though.

Larry Hughes. Chris Webber. Jerry Stackhouse. Ok maybe not CWebb.

[T Park]

Webber is a former all star.

Hughes hadn't reached his potential yet.

Stackhouse I don't think was all star level, but they were the same player, so they didn't help out.


Hes never played with a KG, a good bigman in the post who he can work off of.

KG is that, and KG has never had a STUD 1st team ALL NBA guy to team with.

Closest to that has been Wally and Terrell Brandon.

[2centsworth]

AI is headed to New York. I'm
guessing.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Webber is a former all star.

Hughes hadn't reached his potential yet.

Stackhouse I don't think was all star level, but they were the same player, so they didn't help out.


Hes never played with a KG, a good bigman in the post who he can work off of.

KG is that, and KG has never had a STUD 1st team ALL NBA guy to team with.

Closest to that has been Wally and Terrell Brandon.

Starbury was pretty damn good too...

Anyways, it's a matter of opinion. And my opinion is that those guys didn't just coincidentally develop after they left Philly. I think an imposing (ball hawking) player like AI makes it real difficult for the players around him to fit in and/or develop as a player.

[2centsworth]

I would give up Tony for AI. AI, Manu and Bruce would be lock down defense.

Tony is young but after Duncan retires what is it going to matter. The time is now.

[T Park]

Tony is young but after Duncan retires what is it going to matter

I dunno, having guys like Parker, Sanikidze, Butler, Mahinmi to build around would be ok....

[2centsworth]

I dunno, having guys like Parker, Sanikidze, Butler, Mahinmi to build around would be ok....

at this point, Sanikidze, Butler and Mahinmi are reaches.

[milkyway21]

If Iverson joins KG, Minny will be in the playoffs.

and the West will win the All-Star game :lol

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I would give up Tony for AI. AI, Manu and Bruce would be lock down defense.

Tony is young but after Duncan retires what is it going to matter. The time is now.

AI for TP is nuts. No GM would do that trade.

Also, Manu isn't a "lock down" defender. He's pesky and makes big plays but won't just shut you down like a Bruce Bowen or Ron Artest or Ben Wallace will. There's only one player in the league I would give up TP for, Dwight Howard.

[Kori Ellis]

Allen Iverson on his way out of PhillyBy Marc Stein
ESPN.com
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2691712

You know what they say about early December.

'Tis the season for sensational trade demands.

At least that's how it's starting to feel after Friday's wild developments, when Allen Iverson did what he always insisted he'd never do and publicly confirmed his desire to play elsewhere.

It was this time last year, almost to the day, that Ron Artest was quoted in the local paper urging the Indiana Pacers to move him. Some 363 days later, No. 3 accelerated a wild chain of events by issuing a similar statement, announcing through his agent: "As hard as it is to admit, a change may be the best thing for everyone."

The difference?

Artest's timing was flat-out stunning. His comeback from a record suspension, replete with a Sports Illustrated cover shot he shared with Larry Bird, was not yet three months old when he turned his back on an organization that did so much to welcome him back.

Iverson?

Jarring as it was to hear Sixers chairman Ed Snider grant an interview during the Philly-Washington game and declare that Iverson has "probably" played his last game as a Sixer, this outcome can't really surprise you.

The Sixers had to know that this would bubble over in the most toxic fashion after seriously discussing an Iverson trade with Boston during the June draft, offering up Iverson around the league in July, pulling him off the market when the team was up for sale over the summer and reporting for training camp in October with virtually no changes to a group that, by the end of last season, couldn't guard anyone or stand each other.

I never bought the theory that Iverson would unleash his fury on the rest of the league, like he did during his 2000-01 MVP season after nearly getting traded to Detroit in 2000. He was shopped too publicly this time to bury his bitterness quickly, especially since these Sixers -- who won two games in a span of 31 days entering the weekend -- don't exactly remind you of the '00-01 Sixers who flanked Iverson with Larry Brown and a bunch of willing scrappers and made it to the NBA Finals.

This time, Iverson's frustration kept boiling to the point we're at now, with Iverson regularly clashing and doubting coach Mo Cheeks, fuming about the Sixers' refusal to let him play in Friday night's ESPN game against the Wiz ... but also praying that they send him somewhere good.

I can't lie. I'm praying for Minnesota.

If the Wolves are set on keeping KG under any circumstances and KG is determined to finish his career in 'Sota, as both parties have long maintained, it makes too much sense. Garnett and Iverson need each other.

But it goes even deeper than mere desperation.

Garnett is the game's most unselfish superstar and actually wants to play with a ball-dominating guard.

Iverson has never been easy for guys to play with, is forever resistant to authority and punctuality and, as you might have heard once or twice, not the biggest fan of practice. Yet you suspect that KG might be the one potential teammate out there with the juice to hold him accountable.

However ...

This will not be an easy trade for the Wolves to complete, because they have a startlingly limited cache of assets. Which is exactly why I recently urged them to deal Garnett. They just don't have the coveted goods to get him help.

The best they can conceivably offer Philly is a package built around Villanova's own Randy Foye. There would be other players involved, starting with Ricky Davis, but Foye is by far Minnesota's most attractive commodity after KG.

Is that enough for the Sixers?

How 'bout when I tell you that they can't get Minnesota's first-round pick in the June draft, also known as the Greg Oden draft? Foye would have to be sufficiently marquee to appease the Sixers, because they can't get Minnesota's 2007 first-round pick in this deal. The Wolves' pick in the June draft -- also known as the Greg Oden draft -- has already been committed to the Los Angeles Clippers.

If the pick falls from No. 1 through No. 10 in June, Minnesota keeps it. If it's No. 11 or lower, it goes to the Clippers to complete the Sam Cassell trade from the summer of 2005.

So ...

It could well take the involvement of another team or two to enhance Minnesota's chances. That's also assuming they're prepared to part with Foye; one source close to the situation insists that's not the slam dunk you think.

The only certainty, at this early juncture, is that Philly is going to call everybody.

They will rekindle talks with the equally desperate Celtics, preferring to send Iverson to the West but knowing that hated Boston has more youngsters to offer.

They will check in with noted Iverson admirers in Dallas (Mark Cuban) and Los Angeles (Donald Sterling) and see, unlikely as it seems, if either of those West powers would consider breaking up their deep rosters.

Denver coach George Karl said Friday night that the Nuggets won't be re-entering the Iverson sweepstakes, after chasing him hard during the summer, but you can also expect the Sixers to ring the Kings in case those gambling Maloof brothers want to pair Iverson with Artest by sending Mike Bibby to Philly.

The Sixers, maybe more than any other team, have to explore every possibility.

Or have you forgotten that 1992 summer blockbuster: Charles Barkley for Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang?

We're about to find out if a winter mega-trade works out any better for them.

[slayermin]

That way Bibby, Webber, and Miller could all be on the same team again!

:lol

If I was the Maloofs, I give Petrie the greenlight.

[milkyway21]

Garnett and Iverson need each other.

But it goes even deeper than mere desperation.

Garnett is the game's most unselfish superstar and actually wants to play with a ball-dominating guard.

Iverson has never been easy for guys to play with, is forever resistant to authority and punctuality and, as you might have heard once or twice, not the biggest fan of practice. Yet you suspect that KG might be the one potential teammate out there with the juice to hold him accountable.Whoever gets Iverson, a West team or East team, that team will definitely improve 5X-scoring wise, esp. AI is now a player who might be angry and out to prove something who he really is and what he's capable of...
i hope he goes to Minnesota and be with KG than Dallas. Because I don't like Cuban's Dallas and I'm a fan of AI.

[SuperManu!!!]

AI SUCKS!!!! I never understood why you people care so much about a guy who can score about 31 points per game but he must take about 40 shots to make it happend. Sorry but i rather have 5 players with double figures instead of 1 player with 40 points.

[milkyway21]

AI SUCKS!!!! I never understood why you people care so much about a guy who can score about 31 points per game but he must take about 40 shots to make it happend. Sorry but i rather have 5 players with double figures instead of 1 player with 40 points.

come on. Calm Down.

We are talking about a former MVP here.
A 2-time All-Star MVP who had beaten the West team in the All-Star game TWICE.

a scoring champion for i cannot remember how many times exactly.

you cannot just call this guy that.. :nope

[dg7md]

No way Iverson comes here.

UNLESS, he realizes he'd rather win a ring at his career stage (2-3 good years left) and would like to play with Tim, who's a good friend of his, for some reason. I don't see how those two would mesh.

I don't want to see this team trade anyone for him anyway. He's a great player but I don't think he'd fit in here. Plus we don't really have the pieces to get him, but think about Parker, AI, Bowen, Duncan, and Oberto, with Manu as our sixth man and Barry/Finley as some other swings. That would be quite a team. But we'd likely have to trade Barry and/or Finley for him which I don't want done.

Give Finley shit now but I don't know about you guys, what he did in the Dallas series was phenomenal and if we didn't have him we would have lost in 5. Finley is our ticket to the finals with his play in the post season and his freethrow shooting.

[T Park]

but I don't know about you guys, what he did in the Dallas series was phenomenal and if we didn't have him we would have lost in 5. Finley is our ticket to the finals with his play in the post season and his freethrow shooting.


Me and you seem to be the only ones that agree on this.

[joeyjfive]

IMO opinion Iverson does not appeal to us at all, we have 2 all star guards already and Micheal Finley and Brent Barry. I never thought of Iverson to be that great of a player because he is such a volume shooter. I'm not sure how old he is but I'm positive hes older than both Manu and Tony, so I dont see why anyone would want him in a Spurs uniform considering hes only got like 2 years(give or take) left in him.

[xamila rey]

i dont think he is good for the team chemistry

[Nikos]

AI SUCKS!!!! I never understood why you people care so much about a guy who can score about 31 points per game but he must take about 40 shots to make it happend. Sorry but i rather have 5 players with double figures instead of 1 player with 40 points.

Nice exaggeration. Last season Iverson had a True Shooting Percentage (this means FT's are included into the scoring percentage) of 54.3%. That means he was scoring 33ppg with an above average scoring percentage
when compared to the average NBA player. To say Iverson is an inefficient scorer or offensive player is absolutely insane. Yes he has his games where he takes a huge amount of shots and has more attempts then points -- but what do you expect? Players have bad games, and not everyone who scores 30ppg can be as efficient and as good of an overall player as a Michael Jordan. Doesn't mean they are useless or wouldn't be effective on the Spurs. Iverson is a heck of a player. And last season he played much better than Tony or Manu has ever played. (Well Manu in the 2005 playoffs was playing like a borderline superstar -- but Iverson has done that for several 82 game seasons).

[cheguevara]

what is wrong with you guys?? AI would throw up if he was traded to San Antonio, he would not show up and demand to be traded somewhere else. trust me.

Parker or Manu are way more valuable to Spurs than AI would ever be. please!!! realize AI is a ballhoggin superstar that will never, ever, ever be a champion. I used to like him when he played the Lakers, but that was a looooong time ago and he never had a chance anyway

[dg7md]

Me and you seem to be the only ones that agree on this.

:clap

For real. The Spurs were just annihilated in that series after game 1, and Finley and Duncan played out of their minds.

Finley is an important piece to our finals team, he'll get better.

[JLH Fans]

Doubt it.

They've had Cassell, Spree, Ricky Davis and Wally's world. What would AI bring to the table that those other me-first guys didn't? It'll be the same as always. Good regular season, 1st or 2nd round exit in the playoffs.
That's simply not true.
We never had Cassel,Spree,and Ricky together,we traded Wally for Davis last year,but We lost both Cassel and Spree before.
We had Cassel and Spree,(and Wally theoretically) but Wally was injured,and against the LAL in WCF we lost Cassel as well.
We would have dominated the LAL with Sam.

[George Gervin's Afro]

We will not give up our backcourt for AI. The Spurs have zero chance of entering the AI sweepstakes..

[exstatic]

Nice exaggeration. Last season Iverson had a True Shooting Percentage (this means FT's are included into the scoring percentage) of 54.3%. That means he was scoring 33ppg with an above average scoring percentage
when compared to the average NBA player. To say Iverson is an inefficient scorer or offensive player is absolutely insane. Yes he has his games where he takes a huge amount of shots and has more attempts then points -- but what do you expect? Players have bad games, and not everyone who scores 30ppg can be as efficient and as good of an overall player as a Michael Jordan. Doesn't mean they are useless or wouldn't be effective on the Spurs. Iverson is a heck of a player. And last season he played much better than Tony or Manu has ever played. (Well Manu in the 2005 playoffs was playing like a borderline superstar -- but Iverson has done that for several 82 game seasons).
The problem with that stat is that AI has to DOMINATE the ball to be that effective. He wouldn't get near the touches here, so you really have to look at the FG%. And last year? Tony's FG% was better than that cockamamie adjusted stat that you posted for AI.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I wouldn't mind AI coming here. Tony is out of the question though.

[diego]

because of salary reasons AI isnt coming here. maybe after his contract expires, we'll see if he has anything left then.

however, KG + AI will be trouble no matter how scrubby their supporting cast is. I'd like to see that happen, they are both among the hardest competitors in the league.

[smeagol]

If Finley's and shot is consistent as it was yesterday, this team is headed for another championship. No need for AI.

[exstatic]

I think AI would do well in Minny. The question is, does Minny want to do well, flame out in the playoffs, and miss a chance at Oden? I see the more likely scenario is that Minny sucks and takes their chances on Oden. If they do land the pick, then they can move KG this summer after the draft, and start building the supporting cast.

[kinbenzoo]

no more players our team is so good

[pjjrfan]

I just don't see AI fitting into the Spur's system. I love the guy's game, but AI still has issues with practice, team rules, and basically being told what to do and when to do it. Something that is going to happen once he is in a Spur's uni and Pop is the head coach. The other thing you have to give up something, Manu or Tony or both. I don't think Tim is in the running. Plus also realize that while some here hate the talk about our Spurs are an old team, losing Tony or Manu for AI will make us older, and AI is injury prone, although he bounces back quickly but those bouncing backs get tougher the older you get.

The other thing is that Tony has never been a complainer. He mouthed off once about Kidd, but everyone forgets that during that 2003 championship run Tony never once bitched or whined about the courting of Kidd by the fans and the media. It was constantly thrown in his face and the Kid maintained his cool, always saying the right things and doing the right things. I remember a lot of people raked him over the coals once he did speak up during the summer. AI has no constraints, he learned from the master, Larry Brown, on how to use the press.

[wildbill2u]

There are reasons why AI won't be a Spur on so many levels--age, style of play, our trade possibilities, salary cap, health, etc that I can't see why anyone still thinks this is a possibility.

But most importantly you have to think twice when a team official publicly states that the player has played his last game for the team and benches their superstar. Something is obviously wrong in the team chemistry with their superstar--and he's had a history of being a headcase. Do we need this?

I don't want to hear anyone say that the Spurs "psychological services" provided by Pop and our veterans can improve AI's mental attitude. We have a great team now with the best record in the league--let's not get distracted and get on with winning a championship.

[pjjrfan]

Signed Glenn Robinson who was supposedly a chemistry killer.

The "big dog" was past his prime, and sitting that's why he was available and Pop probably laid it out for him in plain simple "popspeak." AI is still in his prime and his ego is even more in it's prime. AI might tow the line for a while, but the itch in his ego will eventually get to him. Of course winning can cure a lot ills, losing will bring out the monster in AI for sure.

[JLH Fans]

because of salary reasons AI isnt coming here. maybe after his contract expires, we'll see if he has anything left then.

however, KG + AI will be trouble no matter how scrubby their supporting cast is. I'd like to see that happen, they are both among the hardest competitors in the league.


Me too:)
I would gladly give the Phily Ricky (20 ppg/scorer)+Foye (potential All Star)+Hudson (bad contract but can score 10)+EG (good rebounder great shotblocker) for AI.
We could be nearly a contender again.
we would need only 1more center who can hustle,defend,and bring some energy and athleticism to the court (like Elson) a better head coach and some luck.

[clubalien]

I don;t know why this trade poped up all of a suddent but I have seen suggestion of getting AI years ago and think giving up manu + filler but i wouldn;t give up TP since he is young.

no sprewell for tp trade though

[SenorSpur]

I hear that Cuban and the Mavs are "hot on the trail" of AI, as are several other teams. The one thing the Mavs have over many of the other teams is tradeable assets. Should be interesting.

[clubalien]

at this point, Sanikidze, Butler and Mahinmi are reaches.
hey hey now
I can see people suggestiong trading TP for AI since AI is talanted

but the rules I heard on this or spursreport is " you never trade big for small"

and to add that IAN Mahinmi is the futre dominate return of david robinson

no way we trade our future away for AI

[Horry For 3!]

I wouldn't want A.I. at all.

I like Tony better in the system than Iverson. Plus Iverson is old and Tony is young. I would take a younger player than older player any day. As long they were about even in talent.

[SenorSpur]

I wouldn't want A.I. at all.

I like Tony better in the system than Iverson. Plus Iverson is old and Tony is young. I would take a younger player than older player any day. As long they were about even in talent.

....and don't forget tremendously more expensive too.

[VaSpursFan]

no thank you. got to give up too much to get him. or team is just fine as is.

[G-Money]

Why would you want to ruin your team by putting AI on your team?

[ducks]

tp putting up 15 assist yesterday
he is telling spurs he can score or he can put up assist
whatever they want
he is telling them no need for ai

[SenorSpur]

Word from Yahoo Sports is that Dallas and Boston are currently the frontrunners. Philly wants Devin Harris - Cuban is balking.

[himat]

Earn your name in the regular season, earn your fame in the playoffs.

Parker 2 rings
Iverson 0.

You are dumb. Put Duncan in Philly instead of SA

Parker 0

Iverson 2+

Allen Iverson would break every bone in Parker's body by crossing him over so many times. AI>>>Tony Parker

Wouldn't do the trade though because it would take Manu and Tony. If it only involved Parker and another player that is not super important I'd would pull it off.

[ducks]

sixers are not going to get tp and manu offers now that ai has demanded a trade
during offseason yes not know

they will get a stud and young prospects and picks
watch

[ducks]

You are dumb. Put Duncan in Philly instead of SA

Parker 0

Iverson 2+

Allen Iverson would break every bone in Parker's body by crossing him over so many times. AI>>>Tony Parker

Wouldn't do the trade though because it would take Manu and Tony. If it only involved Parker and another player that is not super important I'd would pull it off.

tp and david robinson would have beaten duncan and ai

[exstatic]

Word from Yahoo Sports is that Dallas and Boston are currently the frontrunners. Philly wants Devin Harris - Cuban is balking.
I'd love to see the tug of war for shots between AI and Dirk. It could well ruin the team.

[ducks]

aj would earn his paychecks with coaching aj and dirk
and trying to keep howard happy with the lack of touches to if they get ai

oh I forgot he had to keep terry happy to if he is not involved in the trade

[himat]

tp and david robinson would have beaten duncan and ai

No way. Iverson is way better than TP. Whenever anyone thinks he's finished he proves them wrong. He's got the biggest heart in the game, added with his talent makes him one of the best gaurds in the history of this game. Tim Duncan is now better than David Robinson as well.

AI got to the NBA Finals with little supporting cast. Tony Parker will NEVER do that. Along with that David Robinson and Tony couldn't win a championship without Duncan. Duncan won a championship without David Robinson, and I bet you he could win another without TP.

[Spurodamus]

One million dollars.

[Manudona]

There are 3 teams not mentioned that I believe would become very dangerous with IA, of course, trading is much more complex than given some opinion in a forum :roll: but imagine this back courts and big man:

Miami: Iverson and Wade, with Shaq!
Houston: Iverson and Tracy McGrady, with Yao!
LA: Iverson and Kobe, no big man, unless you give credit to pass rumours of KG going there :D

Yes, yes, I know, highly unlikely

[phyzik]

Re: What's AI worth to SA?

Jack and Shit.... And jack aint here.

[JPB]

AI is no spurs material.
Just when everybody is enjoying great ball movement and team game from SA, AI would be like an elephant in a chinese shop, destroying that. AI is very good at what he does, but his game don't fit here. chemistry is a long, difficult thing to get and keep, and it's fragile.

Same thing for Dallas I think. It would mean for everyone to reconsider his role in the team.

[JLH Fans]

4winning streak for the Wolwes including Utah,Houston and Chicago:)
Assume we can get AI for Ricky+Foye+Griffin+THud (which is not small at all)
We still would have a starting lineup:
Iverson (30 ppg scorer,great stelaer and a warrior-mentality superstar)
Mike James (a shooter who can defend as well)
Hassel (defensive stopper)
KG (another superstar who can do everything)
Blount (cannot rebound but can score from everywhere)

Bench:Jaric (the biggest and nice surprise to me until this year( like Barry for the SAS) he can defend ,and nice stealer,brings energy)
Mc Cants (scorer,he will be a 20ppg scorer just 2-3 years from now)
Reed (can defend at least)
Craig Smith (can play both 3 and 4, seems to me last year's Ryan Gomes)
Still not a contender,but a damned good team IMO.

[TDMVPDPOY]

dont get ur hopes up, with or without AI, the wolves will still suck

[JLH Fans]

dont get ur hopes up, with or without AI, the wolves will still suck

I don't know why U hate the Wolwes so much,but I am not interested to answer to trolls.

[exstatic]

Along with that David Robinson and Tony couldn't win a championship without Duncan.
OK, most of what you said sounded like bullshit, and you just proved it. Tony and Dave never played together without Tim. Dumbass.

[gilmor]

Actually I would very much like to see Parker plays with Garnett.. That will be an explosive duo! If some how this comes true, that will shut all you Parker bashers that Parker <<<< Manu.. I think you guys just can't wait to be rid of Parker but you will see how the Spurs will do so miserably without Parker.

[carib]

I do not thing AI would fit in on any championship team, He would kill any team chemistry. AI just does not know how to play team ball, and he would never learn how to, he just do not want to be ruled.

I would say It every one on the Spurs team is a gentleman, AI is not.

[z0sa]

if we got rid of Manu and Tony for AI, it would work - but only if AI would be willing to let Tim be the #1 option.