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spurtime
12-11-2006, 04:32 PM
is what I'm hearing. Should be official by tonight.

Bibby + Williamson + small contract (either Garcia or Douby)

You heard it here first, ladies and pimps.

MrChug
12-11-2006, 04:37 PM
okay....I'll humor you. What is your "source"? :rolleyes

spurtime
12-11-2006, 04:40 PM
I won't tell you my source, but when you see this come to pass in several hours you will trust my reporting just a little bit more next time. :)

Mr. Body
12-11-2006, 04:43 PM
What a bad trade. No draft picks?

nkdlunch
12-11-2006, 04:44 PM
Bibby + scrubs for AI?????

I don't beleive AI's value has dropped so much

ShoogarBear
12-11-2006, 04:45 PM
Yeah, I can't believe the Sixers didn't get a first-rounder.

Bonzi must be slapping himself.

AI + Artest + Bonzi = Balla Greatness.

Taco
12-11-2006, 04:46 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/16210804.htm

For the Sixers, it's all about who'll they get for Iverson
By Stephen A. Smith

The Philadelphia Inquirer

(MCT)

Here's what we know: Allen Iverson is gone.

Here's what we care about: Whatever the 76ers are going to get for him.

Here's what we'll hear: "It's his fault! It's their fault!" Coming from both sides.

Perhaps we'll care in the days and weeks to come.

Just as long as it doesn't matter now.

Today, the primary concern should be preventing Iverson from becoming Charles Barkley, Part II, making sure the Sixers don't let go of their latest mercurial star for a bag of cheap beans thrown in the trash after Thanksgiving.

As Iverson's departure from Philadelphia appears conspicuously imminent, with nary an attempt at denial coming from the Sixers, there will be plenty of time to dissect this franchise soon enough.

We'll all ponder one day what life would be like for the Sixers right now if they had traded Iverson years ago when former coach Larry Brown insisted it was best for the franchise. We'll wonder what would have become of the coaching careers of Randy Ayers, Chris Ford, Jim O'Brien or even Mo Cheeks if they were faced with the challenge of coaching someone else instead of Iverson.

Questionable decisions by Billy King, the Sixers' president and general manager, will come into focus, as will that of team chairman, Ed Snider, who some - not me, though - believe should fire himself. But none of that matters now.

What matters is that at least nine teams from the Eastern Conference all called the Sixers yesterday. What matters is that Dallas, Chicago and the Clippers all have potential deals the Sixers should want.

King's imagination can capitalize on potential deals with Minnesota, Boston, Denver, Sacramento or Golden State if any of those teams are willing to play ball. His knack for politics might even position him to pull off a heist with Chicago or Dallas. And, perhaps, the biggest plus of all is that King and the Sixers are no longer concerned with the 6-foot guard out of Georgetown who said, "As hard as it may be to admit, a change may be the best thing for everyone."

Said one Sixers source: "There was a time when Billy (King) cared about sending Iverson to a contender, just out of gratitude for all he's meant to this franchise. That time has passed. He ain't thinking about A.I. anymore. At least not on that level."

With that in mind, knowing the Sixers are in search of youth and feasibly sensitive contracts, here's the lowdown:

Bulls: The Bulls could send the expiring contracts of forwards P.J. Brown and Michael Sweetney, with guard Ben Gordon and a first-round pick to Philly for Iverson. Their brass will meet today, but appear unlikely to make such a move.

Dallas: The Mavs could send the expiring contracts of Jerry Stackhouse and Austin Croshere, along with point guard Devin Harris. Problem? Owner Mark Cuban loves Harris and doesn't want any debate as to whether it will be Dirk Nowitzki's team or not.

Boston: Coach Doc Rivers is willing to surrender anyone other than Paul Pierce for Iverson. That includes Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair and forward Al Jefferson, if necessary. But Danny Ainge is running the show, and it's unclear what he'll be willing to do. Plus, Wally Sczcerbiak or Theo Ratliff would have to come to Philly in order to make a deal work.

Golden State: Mike Dunleavy Jr., Troy Murphy or Jason Richardson would have to come to Philly to make a deal happen, but the Sixers would love to get their hands on Monta Ellis, who is loved. The Warriors say they're not about to part ways with Ellis, but everyone talks that nonsense before a deal gets done.

Timberwolves: They barely have anything the Sixers want, outside of Villanova product Randy Foye. And Minnesota swears they're not about to let him go. We'll see.

Clippers: The Sixers shouldn't even talk to them unless they're willing to part ways with Corey Maggette and Shaun Livingston, which the Clips are not willing to do.

Grizzlies: Eddie Jones' expiring contract is about the only asset the Grizzlies have to offer. And Mike Fratello's toupee will fall off trying to coach Iverson.

Kings: Mike Bibby is owed $28 million over the final two years of his contract, but rumors have swirled he could elect to opt-out. Plus, Ron Artest loves Iverson. A long shot, of course. But you never know with the Kings' owners, the Maloof brothers.
Of course, there's always the possibility of multi-team deals, or a remote possibility that Iverson could be bought out of his contract. But that's venturing into the absurd, specificially for a franchise with a few employees holding on by the skin of their teeth.

In time, we'll know where Iverson's going and what the Sixers have gotten for him.

Save the hostility for then. Not now.

spurtime
12-11-2006, 04:49 PM
There seem to be 2 final holdups 1.the 3rd contract (Douby or Garcia) and 2. The Bobcats made a late call and mentioned Gerald Wallace/Sean May, but the Bobcats call got Philly interested in Raymond Felton who the Bobcats have said they are unwilling to part with but haven't closed the door on negotiations. Either way, the deadline as laid out by Phiully ownership is nearing and they're gonna take the Kings deal if the Bobcats don't sweeten the pot quickly with Felton.

ChumpDumper
12-11-2006, 04:52 PM
Bibby + Williamson + small contract (either Garcia or Douby)Why so many players involved? Two would do it.

angel_luv
12-11-2006, 05:40 PM
Iverson and Artest together- wonder how that will work out?

kingsfan
12-11-2006, 05:52 PM
Iverson and Artest together- wonder how that will work out?That thought is scaring me and I don't think it will take long to manifest.

picnroll
12-11-2006, 05:52 PM
Iverson and Artest together- wonder how that will work out?
One thing for sure is it won't help Musselman's drinking problem.

ChumpDumper
12-11-2006, 05:54 PM
Wow, that's a really bad rap album waiting to happen.

AFBlue
12-11-2006, 05:55 PM
It'd end in a fight.


I got $20 on artest...

spurs_fan_in_exile
12-11-2006, 06:00 PM
That sounds like it would get interesting in a hurry. Please, oh please, God let the next move the Maloofs make after this to trade for Stephen Jackson.

RogerIsEatingASandwich
12-11-2006, 06:01 PM
Wow, that would be a pretty interesting trade. AI+Artest...hmmm....

cheguevara
12-11-2006, 06:02 PM
Iverson and Artest together- wonder how that will work out?

with such good quality weed in Sacramento? they will get along fine.

El_Mago
12-11-2006, 06:05 PM
I just got off the phone with Wes.....

Looks like the deal is going to happen...

Clippers do not want to give up Livingston....

Golden State does not want to give up on Ellis (stud)...

Mavericks never really into it....

Bobcats are making a late push...but there is conflict between Jordan and Bickerstaff...

Laters Haters

FromWayDowntown
12-11-2006, 06:15 PM
Where is Jonathan to clear this up

Exactly -- I don't believe anything I read about the NBA until I get Jonathan's always correct, insider information.

1Parker1
12-11-2006, 06:30 PM
The city of Philadelphia is in mourning. :depressed

FromWayDowntown
12-11-2006, 06:40 PM
San Antonio Express-News: Nuggets or Celtics could land Iverson

If the Sac rumors are true, the SA E-N shows itself again to be on the cutting edge of NBA journalism.

1Parker1
12-11-2006, 06:48 PM
Because Iverson deserves this. He deserves to go down in history as the Terrell Owens or Jeff George of his sport, someone whose immense physical gifts were never enough to make him or those around him happy. Iverson is among the most talented losers of all time.

:rolleyes

White Goodman
12-11-2006, 06:59 PM
Mike Bibby and Henry Bibby reunion?

1Parker1
12-11-2006, 07:20 PM
Damn, they cleared out A.I.'s locker and name plate today.

exstatic
12-11-2006, 07:27 PM
If Iverson were a coach, which would give him the freedom to change addresses on a whim, he'd be Larry Brown, the restless and selfish head case who goes from team to team like a locust, getting what he can in terms of money and adulation and then moving on to the next town, leaving behind an emotionally empty husk.
Damn. And I thought I was a Brown Hatah...:lol

RuffnReadyOzStyle
12-11-2006, 07:37 PM
I can't believe how lowball all those offers in the article are - I know Iverson's old, but he's probably got 3 years left at a high level.

Iverson for Gordon and a 1st rounder - do it in a heartbeat. They need a go-to guy and they're sinking without one.

Iverson for anyone on Boston - why not, they've been given time and gone nowhere.

Iverson for Foye and filler - of course! KG+Iverson - that could actually be scary, even with the terrible supporting cast - and it would keep KG with the Wolves for at least another season.

Was that article Stephen Screamer Smith? Thought so. :wtf

spurtime
12-11-2006, 07:38 PM
This is the most detailed Sac/Philly deal as of now...

Williamson, Bibby, Garcia, #1, and Hart for Iverson, Ollie, and Henderson (Henderson could be replaced, as this trade can not be completed until the 15th if he is involved).

The Bobcats have taken May off the table, effectively removing themselves. Apparantly Bickerstaff and Jordan are butting heads.

The Celtics are trying to work some sort of 3 way deal, but the Sixers are wary of dealing him withing their division.

The Sac deal looks like it's the ticket.

Kori Ellis
12-11-2006, 07:39 PM
This is the most detailed Sac/Philly deal as of now...

Williamson, Bibby, Garcia, #1, and Hart for Iverson, Ollie, and Henderson (Henderson could be replaced, as this trade can not be completed until the 15th if he is involved).

The Bobcats have taken May off the table, effectively removing themselves. Apparantly Bickerstaff and Jordan are butting heads.

The Celtics are trying to work some sort of 3 way deal, but the Sixers are wary of dealing him withing their division.

The Sac deal looks like it's the ticket.

Thanks for the info.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
12-11-2006, 07:39 PM
I can't believe that all the 6ers will get for Iverson is Bibby. Wow.

wildbill2u
12-11-2006, 07:41 PM
Where is Jonathan to clear this up
He's getting CHOW! :rolleyes

cherylsteele
12-11-2006, 08:00 PM
If that deal goes down.....who plays point guard for the Kings?

angel_luv
12-11-2006, 08:01 PM
The city of Philadelphia is in mourning. :depressed



Why keep someone who wants to leave. I'd open the exit door for him. :lol

Calbears1
12-11-2006, 08:03 PM
If that deal goes down.....who plays point guard for the Kings?


Um, Iverson.......

SequSpur
12-11-2006, 08:03 PM
I can't believe that all the 6ers will get for Iverson is Bibby. Wow.

Iverson is a got damn cancer.

A 6 foot greedy point guard. I am shocked they are even getting offers for him.

exstatic
12-11-2006, 08:04 PM
I can't believe that all the 6ers will get for Iverson is Bibby. Wow.
I can't believe they're getting that much, knowing that Philly has to move him now.

RS189
12-11-2006, 08:05 PM
I can't believe they're getting that much, knowing that Philly has to move him now.

thats what im thinking, garcia or 1st round pick, not both

Calbears1
12-11-2006, 08:09 PM
I don't think Petrie will give up that much.

Amuseddaysleeper
12-11-2006, 09:09 PM
If Iverson was to go to the Bobcats in a trade it wouldn't surprise me if the same jerk who refuses to show up for practice or come off the bench would probably sit out and force the Bobcats to trade him immediately to a contender


Having said that, I feel bad for Philly, because you know he loved the crowd as much as they loved him

Fillmoe
12-11-2006, 09:31 PM
i think i just busted a nut

ALVAREZ6
12-11-2006, 09:33 PM
I can't believe that all the 6ers will get for Iverson is Bibby. Wow.
I can, easily. No one want's him, the Sixers are lucky to get Bibby after knowing that no one was willing to give up shit for him last year before the trade deadline.

Fillmoe
12-11-2006, 09:35 PM
alvarez and judson aka the unibrow brothers

MannyIsGod
12-11-2006, 09:57 PM
AI + Artest would be an instant contender in the West. I like this trade for both teams if the Sixers get a #1

regio
12-11-2006, 10:11 PM
Iverson+Kevin Martin+ Artest is kind of scary

Bob Lanier
12-11-2006, 10:18 PM
If Iverson was to go to the Bobcats in a trade it wouldn't surprise me if the same jerk who refuses to show up for practice or come off the bench would probably sit out and force the Bobcats to trade him immediately to a contender
Funny thing is, Emeka Okafor would probably be the best player Iverson's had on his team since he's entered the NBA. And with a couple of other high-percentage post scorers and Morrison and Wallace on the wings, that would probably become the best team in the East.

MaNuMaNiAc
12-11-2006, 10:22 PM
is this official?

El_Mago
12-11-2006, 10:24 PM
Apparently, the Maloofs are going to sleep on this deal.

The Kings have Bibby on the table. He will opt out of his clause if the deals go through after the season, which makes the po sweeter for the Sixers.

They have 8 expiring contracts....anyone from Williamson to Vitale.

And, they have young studs like Doubey, Prince, Garcia, and Martin (although he's off the table).

Laters Haters

da_suns_fan__
12-11-2006, 10:38 PM
LMAO at the Kings getting Iverson.

Iverson and Artest.

At least the Kings would sell plenty of merchandise in in every ghetto across the country.

Why not sign Sprewell while they're at it? Darius Miles available?

Make Rodman the coach!

ShoogarBear
12-11-2006, 10:42 PM
Wow, that would be a pretty interesting trade. AI+Artest...hmmm....Like I said, too bad Bonzi didn't stay.

1Parker1
12-11-2006, 10:44 PM
Ouch, even the Blazers beat the Iverson-less Sixers tonight.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
12-11-2006, 11:37 PM
Iverson + KG would be more interesting, I think. They'd still have a shitty supporting cast though...

spurtime
12-12-2006, 08:28 AM
Although I want to believe this, it is all speculation. Won't happen.

Believe what you want, bro. As of midnight last night, Bibby, Garcia, Williamson or Potapenko and a first for Iverson, Ollie, filler was on the table. That is the offer from the 76ers. The Kings brass made the choice to sleep on it.

You can choose to believe it or not and call it gay...I don't care.

MajorMike
12-12-2006, 08:40 AM
Its not gay... its heterosexually challenged.

phyzik
12-12-2006, 08:40 AM
Iverson not going to Bobcats... heard that this morning... This is looking more likely as time goes by.

2Cleva
12-12-2006, 08:53 AM
THE ANSWER IS . . .
By PETER VECSEY

December 12, 2006 -- UNLIKE so much of what's being upchucked over the internet regarding Proposition Allen Iverson, much of it oozing from ESPN's thin air, no guess-work follows, only facts. Meaning, there's definitely a chance a legit-bidding team or two may escape mention (how's that for covering one's flanks!).

On the other hand, you can go to sleep knowing what you read below is real.

But first let's dismiss, hopefully for the last time, any fantasies about the Knicks obtaining Iverson in any kind of deal that does or doesn't include Chris Webber. They are not, I repeat, any kind of participant in this situation.

In fact, it wouldn't be surprising to learn Isiah Thomas is prohibited by Camp Cablevision boss James Dolan from cooking up any catastrophes that would cost the Knicks additional obligations past their current long-term luxury hole, or hamstring his eventual replacement any more than he'll be.

The Bobcats, flaunting $13-to-$14 millions in prized cap space, are attempting to play facilitator for the 76ers. Management adamantly refuses to part with a single one of its precious young bloods, even Brevin Knight. Despite getting sacked 15 of 20 times, the third-year expansion franchise wisely is preaching patience and, at the same time, is prepared to assume a salary for a season (not Iverson's, though) for the right compensation - solid player, draft pick, money or all of the above.

That's one option, a rather critical one, for Sixers president Billy King. It allows him to get several teams into the mix. That type of transaction, of course, could translate into Philly obtaining more attractive pieces than it can if only one team is involved.

"I don't know who's putting this stuff out there," a team executive groaned in exasperation. "But it all forces me to call Chris Mullin."

The Warriors are as active and aggressive in diving on Iverson's loose body as any team. Not to keep A.I. (and you thought Don Nelson was seriously about playing smallest) but to re-route his $49M, two-years-to-go debt along with at least one of their dead-weight contracts - Adonal Foyle, Troy Murphy or Mike Dunleavy. Jason Richardson is the guy King has coveted for some time. However, his surgically repaired knee is hurting (swollen) - and not only in the healing area.

In talk last summer, the 76ers approached the Clippers about Iverson for Corey Maggette and Shaun Livingston. That same trade is on the table. The thing is, Livingston is utterly untouchable along with Elton Brand and Chris Kaman. If you see their names mentioned in any scenario, you know the writer is source-less. Everybody else is available.

Keeping it out west, the Kings are offering Mike Bibby (who obviously is very appealing), I think. Would he really want to be united with his father, Henry, a Sixers assistant? Would he really want to be reunited with Webber? On the other hand, former Sixers John Salmons, Kenny Thomas and Corliss Williams celebrated their offensive freedom after distancing themselves from Iverson.

It's not clear whether he is more or less appealing because he owns an early-out after this season. It's hard to say whether the 76ers would be happy if he walked away from his two-year ($13.5M/$14.5M) pact or would want a guarantee from him that he'll honor it.

Meanwhile, the Timberwolves remain in the hunt, if only to appease Kevin Garnett, who's clamoring to play with Iverson. Yes, Randy Foye is desirable. But it's decidedly doubtful the 76ers want anything to do with Minnesota's myriad bad contracts belonging to Marko Jaric, Troy Hudson, Mark Blount, Mark Madsen, Mike James and Trenton Hassell. The Sixers want to dump salary, not reproduce it. Ricky Davis is conceivable because he has but one year ($6.8M) left after this.

That leaves Indiana (offering Jamaal Tinsley and just about anyone except Jermaine O'Neal and Danny Granger) and Boston. Danny Ainge is determined to land himself an established veteran and Iverson is it. Paul Pierce is not available. Plenty of sacrificial Celtics are there for the 76ers' plucking, except Al Jefferson. It'd be stunning to think otherwise.

That screeching in the background is Jerry West beseeching outgoing (?) owner Michael Heisley for permission to enter the chase.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12122006/sports/the_answer_is_______sports_peter_vecsey.htm?page=0

And I know people automatically dismiss Vescey but he broke this story in the first place.

MosesGuthrie
12-12-2006, 08:57 AM
I still say Bonner and Finley for AI. :lol


ok, ok....throw in Eric Williams. :p:

intlspurshk
12-12-2006, 09:00 AM
I think Bibby + K Martin in exchange for AI and AI Jefferson should be more fair deal. AI > Bibby and with AI, the ball will not be passed to KM.

cherylsteele
12-12-2006, 03:06 PM
Um, Iverson.......
If Iverson is the point guard then the Kings are in big trouble.
As a Kings fan...do want this trade to happen?

wildbill2u
12-12-2006, 04:26 PM
I wonder if the Pacers would send SJAX and someone to the 76ers. Both teams have players who are causing problems.

You could call it the "Troublemaker Trade" :rolleyes

AFBlue
12-12-2006, 04:44 PM
If Iverson is the point guard then the Kings are in big trouble.
As a Kings fan...do want this trade to happen?


Maloof/Musselman Spin: "Oh Ron Artest has always been a great passer, and now he'll be able to showcase his talent as the perfect compliment to Iverson's playmaking ability"

Fillmoe
12-12-2006, 04:50 PM
NBA's Kings Won't Trade for Allen Iverson, Owner Maloof Says

By Scott Soshnick

Dec. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Remove the Sacramento Kings from the list of possible new teams for Allen Iverson, a former Most Valuable Player who has demanded a trade from the Philadelphia 76ers.

``We're staying away,'' Kings co-owner Joe Maloof said in a telephone interview. ``We're not going forward.''

The Kings were among a handful of teams that publicly disclosed an interest in the National Basketball Association's leading scorer when the 31-year-old guard's trade demand was made public last week.

Maloof didn't say why the Kings had changed their mind.

Iverson, a four-time NBA scoring champion, rejected a proposed trade that would have sent him to the Charlotte Bobcats, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported.

Among the teams interested in Iverson are the Boston Celtics, Indiana Pacers, Minnesota Timberwolves and Denver Nuggets, the newspaper said.

Iverson joined the 76ers as the first pick in the 1996 draft. He led Philadelphia to the NBA Finals in 2001, when the seven-time All-Star was named the league's MVP.

To contact the reporter on this story: Scott Soshnick in New York at [email protected]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=a.XpMG4K2u4o&refer=home

ShoogarBear
12-12-2006, 04:54 PM
Sounds like Billy King just completely screwed himself.

Johnny_Blaze_47
12-12-2006, 04:58 PM
I won't tell you my source, but when you see this come to pass in several hours you will trust my reporting just a little bit more next time. :)

spurtime
12-12-2006, 04:59 PM
Bibby blew up the deal because he said he couldn't play with his estranged dad, Henry, and threatened not to report to the Sixers. Philly tried to salvage the deal by working out some 3 way deal that would have landed Baron Davis and Dalembert in Sactown, Bibby and others in Golden State, and God knows who in Philly. Sacramento thought both contracts (Baron's and Dalembert's) were prohibitive and were scared off by Baron's injury history.

Sorry to throw this rumor out there before it was confirmed. It backfired,,,Such is the case with reporting unfinished negotiations as opposed to concluded trades.

*walks away in shame*

Kori Ellis
12-12-2006, 05:01 PM
Bibby blew up the deal because he said he couldn't play with his estranged dad, Henry, and threatened not to report to the Sixers. Philly tried to salvage the deal by working out some 3 way deal that would have landed Baron Davis and Dalembert in Sactown, Bibby and others in Golden State, and God knows who in Philly. Sacramento thought both contracts (Baron's and Dalembert's) were prohibitive and were scared off by Baron's injury history.

Sorry to throw this rumor out there before it was confirmed. It backfired,,,Such is the case with reporting unfinished negotiations as opposed to concluded trades.

*walks away in shame*

Don't be ashamed. The board is for discussion and this was a legitimate "almost" done deal. It wasn't like you were just throwing names and teams out there and making stuff up.

We appreciate the contribution.

mardigan
12-12-2006, 05:02 PM
He will be in Boston, Min, or Golden State, the 3 teams offering the most

td4mvp3
12-12-2006, 05:03 PM
Its not gay... its heterosexually challenged.
cute. i may steal that.

Fillmoe
12-12-2006, 05:08 PM
why dont bibby like his pops?

mardigan
12-12-2006, 05:09 PM
He still puts him in time out, everyone knows that

Fillmoe
12-12-2006, 05:09 PM
:lol

MoSpur
12-12-2006, 05:10 PM
No one ever mentioned the reunion of Webber and Bibby if this deal would have went down.

mardigan
12-12-2006, 05:11 PM
Probably because the 76ers are trying to trade Webb as well

2Cleva
12-12-2006, 05:13 PM
I'm hearing that Ainge finally cave in and is willing to offer Jefferson so Boston has a deal that Philly will accept. Now, everyone has to send in their offers topping it or Iverson goes to Boston.

mardigan
12-12-2006, 05:15 PM
Damn, Jefferson is awesome, I would probably take the Warriors deal, but Bostons is pretty great too

2Cleva
12-12-2006, 05:24 PM
Jefferson, West, Telfair and Ratliff for Iverson is the offer, although Boston may swap out West for a #1. Philly won't get much better in combo of last year as well as young players.

2Cleva
12-12-2006, 05:25 PM
Sac definitely out of it


NBA's Kings Won't Trade for Allen Iverson, Owner Maloof Says


By Scott Soshnick

Dec. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Remove the Sacramento Kings from the list of possible new teams for Allen Iverson, a former Most Valuable Player who has demanded a trade from the Philadelphia 76ers.

``We're staying away,'' Kings co-owner Joe Maloof said in a telephone interview. ``We're not going forward.''

The Kings were among a handful of teams that publicly disclosed an interest in the National Basketball Association's leading scorer when the 31-year-old guard's trade demand was made public last week.

Maloof didn't say why the Kings had changed their mind.

ShoogarBear
12-12-2006, 05:27 PM
Bibby blew up the deal because he said he couldn't play with his estranged dad, Henry, and threatened not to report to the Sixers. I wanted to ask about that when everyone was talking about them "reuniting", because I knew they weren't on good terms.

Anyway, all of your sources sounded legit. Thanks for the info.

spurtime
12-12-2006, 05:47 PM
Sorry to beat a dead horse...But now I'm hearing that Bibby and his dad's issue had nothing to do with the breakdown in negotiations. Bibby was okay with going, but the Kings just didn't think they were getting enough back, or they thought they were taking on too much in long term money and the injury issue with Baron Davis.

Axl Van Dam
12-12-2006, 05:52 PM
:hungry: Mike Bibby would be a perfect fit for the Spurs :hungry:

ShoogarBear
12-12-2006, 06:07 PM
Bibby plays no defense whatsoever, his shooting has been steadily declining over the last four years, and considering the offenses he's played in, has assist numbers only slightly better than Parker's.

Other than that, he's great.

cheguevara
12-12-2006, 06:09 PM
Playoff Bibby > Playoff Parker

ShoogarBear
12-12-2006, 06:12 PM
:lol you want to see the stat comparison from last years' series?

ShoogarBear
12-12-2006, 06:16 PM
Parker 22.2 /4.7A/3.5R 51% 33% 89%
Bibby 16.7/5.2A/3.8R 35% 35% 90%

ducks
12-12-2006, 06:17 PM
Playoff Bibby > Playoff Parker
the grass is not always greener on the other side

baseline bum
12-12-2006, 06:22 PM
Playoff Bibby > Playoff Parker

It's amazing that two playoff series 4 years ago give him this rep. How about his performance in that Seattle series in 2005? :lol

AI-square
12-12-2006, 06:25 PM
Mike Bibby is nowhere near his best. I'd take Devin Harris, Stackhouse and Croshere (exp contracts) if Dallas would do it. I heard Boston were trying to offer Jefferson, Ratliff, Telfair and West(or a first round pick) (providence journal). That almost sounds too good to be true, and if the Celtics really offered that, the deal should have been done by now.

It sucks to be a Sixer fan cuz the probability of being screwed in a trade is too high. We're trading freaking Allen Iverson. This is a lose-lose situation.

kingsfan
12-12-2006, 06:25 PM
I heard that 6ers wanted Kevin and Maloofs said hell no basically but I've heard so much in the last 3 days, I don't know what to believe anymore.

kobe_bryant
12-12-2006, 06:59 PM
odds on iverson staying put for this season? :lol

exstatic
12-12-2006, 07:53 PM
Sorry to beat a dead horse...But now I'm hearing that Bibby and his dad's issue had nothing to do with the breakdown in negotiations. Bibby was okay with going, but the Kings just didn't think they were getting enough back, or they thought they were taking on too much in long term money and the injury issue with Baron Davis.
WTF does Baron Davis have to do with a trade between Sacto and Philly?

2Cleva
12-12-2006, 08:08 PM
What they're saying on the Allen Iverson grapevine: The Answer has let it be known that he doesn't want to play in Charlotte.

What they're also saying in front-office circles: Iverson isn't thrilled about the prospect of relocating to Sacramento, either.

What I find myself saying whenever I hear such sentiments: How do players scare teams off so easily when almost no one in the NBA possesses a no-trade clause?

The Bobcats, let's face it, would be skittish about trading for A.I. even if he welcomed the move, given owner Bob Johnson's obvious comfort level with a roster that doesn't pay a single player more than $5.5 million. Although he badly wants to fill up his building and ranks as one of the league's most outspoken owners regarding the struggles of small-market teams, Johnson's hesitancy to sanction an Iverson deal doesn't surprise anyone. You can safely surmise that the little man's knack for selling tickets doesn't stand out to the Bobs as much the $39.8 million left on his contract after this season and Iverson's hard-to-handle history.

But here's the thing.

Iverson doesn't possess the ultimate hammer. NBA front-office sources confirmed Tuesday that his contract does not contain a no-trade clause.

In fact, as far as I know, the Lakers' Kobe Bryant is the only NBA player who has one.

Why?...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2695408

RuffnReadyOzStyle
12-12-2006, 08:42 PM
Playoff Bibby > Playoff Parker

Maybe 3 years ago, not today.

Remember, Parker was banged up badly in game 6 of the Sacto series and played the Dallas series injured.

People should get off Parker's back. Barring injury, I reckon he'll star in the playoffs this year and finally shut the naysayers up.

spurtime
12-12-2006, 09:54 PM
WTF does Baron Davis have to do with a trade between Sacto and Philly?

Philly and Sac tried to bring Golden State in to facilitate a deal...I mentioned it earlier in the thread.

Mr.Bottomtooth
12-12-2006, 10:26 PM
yea. he didnt want to go to CHA. So they stopped it.

SequSpur
12-13-2006, 12:31 AM
this topic is BS and should be locked.

Fillmoe
12-13-2006, 12:34 AM
we will lock it soon as you can ride the adult rides at the fair

Kori Ellis
12-13-2006, 12:35 AM
WTF does Baron Davis have to do with a trade between Sacto and Philly?

In this post
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1327781&postcount=71
he says that Golden St got involved as a third team.

Bob Lanier
12-13-2006, 12:54 AM
It's amazing that two playoff series 4 years ago give him this rep. How about his performance in that Seattle series in 2005? :lol
That's not really fair. He was going against Luke Ridnour, whose locker is in the same room as Gary Payton's used to be.

Bibby's perpetually overrated, but he's essentially Chauncey Billups minus the post-up game. Considering the other options, it's not too bad an offer.

El_Mago
12-13-2006, 12:53 PM
Iverson is heading out to Indiana.

Should be finalized sometime on friday.

Marquis Daniels can not be traded until this Friday, so thats the hold up.

Iverson wants to play in Indiana, and thats the best team that can give up talent, and still have a chance to go to the finals...especially out East.

Marquis Daniels, Tinlsey, and some other player/players.....possibly a pick.

ShoogarBear
12-13-2006, 01:07 PM
:lol . . . and SJax never saw the ball again.

AFBlue
12-13-2006, 01:16 PM
Iverson is heading out to Indiana.

Should be finalized sometime on friday.

Marquis Daniels can not be traded until this Friday, so thats the hold up.

Iverson wants to play in Indiana, and thats the best team that can give up talent, and still have a chance to go to the finals...especially out East.

Marquis Daniels, Tinlsey, and some other player/players.....possibly a pick.

Source?

Some other players? Sounds suspect...

El_Mago
12-13-2006, 03:16 PM
Golden State is making it really tough.

Davis, Biedrins, and Monta Ellis....

However, GS does not want to let go of Ellis, and would prefer to work out another deal...

Yet, Indiana is still the place AI wants to be...

boutons_
12-13-2006, 03:19 PM
Alan will be the Magic Pixiie Dust that solves all the Pacer chemistry problems .... NOT! :lol

ShoogarBear
12-13-2006, 03:20 PM
Don Nelson and AI would be an interesting pairing.

spurtime
12-13-2006, 03:37 PM
Golden State are idiots if they lose both Biedrins and Ellis, considering how young and how much upside they both have. Trade one, not both.

AFBlue
12-13-2006, 03:48 PM
Golden State are idiots if they lose both Biedrins and Ellis, considering how young and how much upside they both have. Trade one, not both.

Agreed. And if you have to give two prospects, I'd hand over Ellis and Diogu...not Biedrins.

But if you're giving up two prospects, Adonal Foyle should be included in the deal.

timvp
12-13-2006, 03:55 PM
It's hard for me to believe that the Warriors would give up Baron Davis AND Biedrins or Ellis ... much less Biedrins and Ellis.

Something like Baron Davis, Ike Diogu and filler for AI makes sense.

timvp
12-13-2006, 03:57 PM
It's hard for me to believe that the Warriors would give up Baron Davis AND Biedrins or Ellis ... much less Biedrins and Ellis.

Something like Baron Davis, Ike Diogu and filler for AI makes sense.

True but I don't see AI okaying a trade that doesn't land him on a contending team in the East.

SAtown
12-13-2006, 03:59 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/479693p-403581c.html

AFBlue
12-13-2006, 04:12 PM
It's hard for me to believe that the Warriors would give up Baron Davis AND Biedrins or Ellis ... much less Biedrins and Ellis.

Something like Baron Davis, Ike Diogu and filler for AI makes sense.


Think this deal makes sense for all parties involved, though if it makes sense it probably won't happen.

Idea on the filler - Matt Barnes return to Philly?

Oh and did you quote yourself? :lol