Official UFC 66 Thread...

[LEONARD]

UFC 66 Sat Night....

Post your predictions, reactions, etc here...

Odds: (pinnaclesports.com)

Chuck Liddell -261
Tito Ortiz +241

Forrest Griffin -300
Keith Jardine +270

Michael Bisping -377
Eric Schafer +347

Yushin Okami -421
Rory Singer +381

Chris Leben -216
Jason MacDonald +196

Thiago Alves -119
Tony DeSouza +109

Andrei Arlovski -475
Marcio Cruz +435

Gabriel Gonzaga -275
Carmelo Marrero +255

Christian Wellisch -152
Anthony Perosh +142

My picks:
Upsets: Tito, MacDonald, Jardine, Schafer, Perosh
Locks: Okami, Alves, AA, Gonzaga
Announcements: Crocop signed. Rampage will be there too, but he's already announced as having signed)

based on how the lines have changed over the past week people are betting pretty heavy on Forrest, DeSouza, and Leben...

Misc stuff:

Chuck on Beatdown Radio...
http://www.sherdog.com/news/radio.asp?id=114

McDonald ready for Leben...
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3150

and Leben wants a KO...duh...
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3168

Undercard preview...
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=6419

[tlongII]

No way Tito beats Liddell. It will be a 1st round KO.

[LEONARD]

Never say never...I'm being hopeful of course, but I think Tito is being counted out more than he should. And he's a tempting pick with those odds...

and some Crocop news...
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/home/index.do

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/061227/nog-crocop-txt.jpg

Hmmmmmm...so either Crocop is coming to the UFC, or Dana gave him a sweatshirt and he cares so little about it that he wears it into poor neighborhoods while he does community service... :lol

[cornbread]

Should we expect an announcement at 66 this weekend??? I hope so...

[LEONARD]

The weigh-in is on Spike TV on Friday night...between Unleashed and UFC All-Access with Chuck Liddell.

[desflood]

Cro-Cop in the UFC... my little heart is all aflutter. In anticipation of seeing him beat the stuffing out of Tim Sylvia, that is.

My picks:

Liddell
Griffin (by decision, after they beat the crap out of each other for three rounds)
Bisping
Leben
Okami
Alves
AA (of course)
Perosh
Marrero (just a hunch about that one)

[LEONARD]

Crocop WILL be there on Saturday and has signed with the UFC...

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=6424

Run Timmy!! Run while you can!!! haahahahahahahahahaha

:fro

[LEONARD]

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/1076/1495/130455.jpg

[cornbread]

^^^ :lol :lol :lol


Thank you Lord!!! 2007 should be a great year for UFC.

[cornbread]

My Predictions...

I'm going with:

Tito (I'm going with my gut feeling on this one)
Forrest
Bisping
Okami
MacDonald
Alves
AA
Perosh

[IX_Equilibrium]

My picks in bold.

Tito Ortiz vs Chuck Liddell

Andrei Arlvoski vs. Marcio Cruz

Forrest Griffin vs. Keith Jardine

Chris Leben vs. Jason MacDonald

Eric Schafer vs. Michael Bisping

Yushin Okami vs. Rory Singer

Tony DeSouza vs. Thiago Alves

Carmelo Marrero vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

Anthony Perosh Vs. Christian Wellisch

[IX_Equilibrium]

Looks like the UFC will be announcing the signing of Heath Herring too!

http://www.onzuka.com/Photos/Heath%20Herring.jpg

UFC has been making some huge moves lately!

[LEONARD]

Main card preview...
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=6427


Looks like the UFC will be announcing the signing of Heath Herring too!

UFC has been making some huge moves lately!

Dana White audio from prior UFN 8...
http://ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/other/boxingmma/article_1381274.php

Rampage, Herring, Salaverry, Faber, and Rob McCullough have been signed. (Dana said that Rampage was the centerpiece of course)

They haven't made huge announcements about any of them yet...Rampage was casually mentioned on Inside the UFC last week...

[IX_Equilibrium]

I didn't think Herring was official yet. I am stoked about Ivan Salaverry's return to the UFC. He will definatley be making waves in his division.

[LEONARD]

I didn't think Herring was official yet. I am stoked about Ivan Salaverry's return to the UFC. He will definatley be making waves in his division.

Dana White mentioned him as being "part of the deal" with the other guys...they just haven't made a big deal of it yet... (were you able to listen to audio in the link above?)

[LEONARD]

Herring announced here today...
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3183

[IX_Equilibrium]

Herring announced here today...
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3183


That's what I was referring to earlier today. I just listened to that link. Thanks. Looks like the UFC is getting very aggresive with expanding their organization.

[LEONARD]

Ah, gotcha... :fro

Rampage and Randy Couture were both on Beatdown Radio...Rampage is nuts...he cracks me up...
http://www.sherdog.com/news/radio.asp?id=116

[desflood]

I think once he gets a couple of years on him, Faber is going to be big in the UFC.

[LEONARD]

Pre-fight press conf:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.Detail&gid=4073

Pre-fight Liddell - Ortiz:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.Detail&gid=4068

Lots of pre-fight videos are up....weigh-ins are live on Spike tonight...

[cornbread]

I think once he gets a couple of years on him, Faber is going to be big in the UFC.

Do you think size will be an issue? He's naturally smaller than most lws. I can't wait to see him fight!

[DarkReign]

Holy hell!

UFC is making noise. Real noise. More entertainment for me. I am absolutely exstatic to see the likes of Rampage, CroCop et al compete (and possibly dominate) the paper television tigers.

I love watching Griffin fight, dont get me wrong theyre highly entertaining, but theyre not exactly...technical or the best display of MMA fighting ability.

[IX_Equilibrium]

I am anxious to see Forrest fight. I think many people underestimate him, which kind of surprises me after his performance against Tito. He trained in Athens, GA to get where he is, but he progressed and now trains in Las Vegas. Due to his switching camps and being surrounded and training with a much larger pool of MMA talent, you will see Forrest improve and be a force in his division.

[dallaskd]

damn i was gonna buy the fight but last night my buddy gave me free low level tix to tonights mavs game. i wasnt gonna miss that. i guess i got to watch the gay ass limewire version...

[kobe_bryant]

just one hour away....

[ALVAREZ6]

Any fights end yet???


I wanna know the outcomes of the Lidell - Ortiz, Griffin, and Arlovski fights...

[kobe_bryant]

the pitbull won on ref stoppage.

Matt Bonner lost in the opening match!

[kobe_bryant]

Jason McDonald with a sweeet sleeper.

Chris couldn't even tap out.

[kobe_bryant]

at the event

http://www.videovat.com/images/060703-chriss-angel-magician-video-1.jpg

[kobe_bryant]

at the event

http://www.celebopedia.com/mario-lopez/images/mario-lopez.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39894000/jpg/_39894350_kid_rock_pg.jpg

[kobe_bryant]

at the event

http://galleries.lycos.co.uk/d/2745-3/agassi.jpg

[kobe_bryant]

Dean of Mean vs Griffin

[kobe_bryant]

Griffin loses on TKO

[kobe_bryant]

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/Jardine2.JPG

[dallaskd]

i just got home from the mavs game. can someone fill me in on what has happened?

[kobe_bryant]

main event time

Tito walks in to the ring with Slim Shady music.

[dallaskd]

whats happening!??!?!

[kobe_bryant]

tito bleeding..already taken to the ground by a straight shot

[kobe_bryant]

bleeding bad....but survives the left hook

round 2

[kobe_bryant]

big smile by tito at the end of the round. the cut is pretty deep

10-9 chuck

[kobe_bryant]

when does tito take it to the ground?

[kobe_bryant]

the crowd cheers for Chuck for the first time

[kobe_bryant]

Chuck needs a 6pack like Kobe

[kobe_bryant]

tito with a good body kick

[kobe_bryant]

good defense by chuck on takedowns

[kobe_bryant]

Right hand by tito...nice

[kobe_bryant]

TAKE DOWN

TITO...its on the ground....chuck gets back up

[kobe_bryant]

round about to end........


This round was close. I can't tell who won this round. I would call it a draw. The blood looks like it has stopped

[kobe_bryant]

Eddie Bravo gives it to Tito

1-1

[kobe_bryant]

tito cannot take chuck to the ground

[kobe_bryant]

leg kick by tito

returned by a body hook by chuck

[kobe_bryant]

tito's cut open again

[kobe_bryant]

chuck lands a big rigt

[kobe_bryant]

STOPPED

chuck wins on ref stoppage

[kobe_bryant]

Old fat man wins


How does it do it? who is next?

[kris]

The old fat man weighs the same as Tito and is the exact same height.

Chuck beat him down and there wasn't a thing he could do about it.

[ALVAREZ6]

I don't understand how Tito lost this time. He talked so much shit, and there was all this talking about him being in amazing shape mentally and physically. Tito is in much better shape and way more muscular than Lidell, but can't manage to bring him down enough...

My question is: Is Lidell that much of a hardcore bad ass motherfucker or is Tito just a little bitch compared to what he looks like? OR a combination of both?

[Rip-Hamilton32]

its both..chuck is one bad ass motherfucker but tito is also just a little bitch, they say hes in the best shape of his career and shit only to hype the fight look at his last 3 fights he went the distance with forrest who earlier got tko'd by jardine and then beat washed up ken shamrock...i knew tito would be the same old tito and still get knocked out

[desflood]

Man, my picks really suffered last night. Leben, Marerro, Griffin, all down the tubes :lol I never figured on Jardine taking Griffin out so fast. Obviously, Forrest didn't either, and he didn't handle it very well :dramaquee

[kris]

I don't understand how Tito lost this time. He talked so much shit, and there was all this talking about him being in amazing shape mentally and physically. Tito is in much better shape and way more muscular than Lidell, but can't manage to bring him down enough...

My question is: Is Lidell that much of a hardcore bad ass motherfucker or is Tito just a little bitch compared to what he looks like? OR a combination of both?

Tito was in great shape, but it's not like Ladell just sits on the couch so it's not that big of an advantage. They are both the same weight and height and while Tito looks almost 100% muscle, Ladell looks just a little less. So while I would give the advantage to Tito, it's not big enough to win a strikers fight. Also, I heard something about Tito possibly over training.

Tito is definitely very good though. Ladell was very cautious about mixing it up with him and looked like he would have been defeated if Tito got him on the ground. Ladell even said after the match it was his biggest victory ever so I think that speaks to Tito's ability.

Chuck is just a badass.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

lol..i hope chuck does better against rampage this time around because last time it was just a beat down, but chuck is so much better and will still knock jackson out

[ALVAREZ6]

Tito was in great shape, but it's not like Ladell just sits on the couch so it's not that big of an advantage. They are both the same weight and height and while Tito looks almost 100% muscle, Ladell looks just a little less. So while I would give the advantage to Tito, it's not big enough to win a strikers fight. Also, I heard something about Tito possibly over training.

Tito is definitely very good though. Ladell was very cautious about mixing it up with him and looked like he would have been defeated if Tito got him on the ground. Ladell even said after the match it was his biggest victory ever so I think that speaks to Tito's ability.

Chuck is just a badass.
Yeah I know Lidell is no bum, and I also saw that on Spike that Tito over trains, but Tito really has much more muscle than chuck. I don't know, Tito to mee just seems bulkier than Chuck and in a fight formatted like the UFC is, how you can wrestle, box, strike, kick, whatever, I think Tito should have the advantage. He looks like a guy who could get Chuck on the ground, overpower him, get on top and keep pounding him with punches and elbows.

[cornbread]

Yeah I know Lidell is no bum, and I also saw that on Spike that Tito over trains, but Tito really has much more muscle than chuck. I don't know, Tito to mee just seems bulkier than Chuck and in a fight formatted like the UFC is, how you can wrestle, box, strike, kick, whatever, I think Tito should have the advantage. He looks like a guy who could get Chuck on the ground, overpower him, get on top and keep pounding him with punches and elbows.

Muscle does not equal a fight deciding advantage. If it did, Jeff Monson would be heavyweight champ. Strength/muscle is only a small component of the game. A perfect example of this would be the greatest fighter in the world, Fedor Emelienanko, who most people would describe as pudgy and undersized for a heavyweight.

[ALVAREZ6]

Yeah I know, it just strikes me as odd that a guy like Tito can't maintain Lidell on the ground.

[cornbread]

Yeah I know, it just strikes me as odd that a guy like Tito can't maintain Lidell on the ground.

Tito is a great wrestler and very strong but Chuck wrestled in college and uses those skills to keep himself off the ground. Chuck really has a brilliant and perfectly adapted fighting style when you consider his strengths and natural physical attributes.

[ALVAREZ6]

I wanna see an Arlovski vs. Liddell fight.


I know Arlovski outweighs him by like 30 pounds, but someone's gotta beat Liddell's ass. Not because I dislike Liddell, I like him, better than Tito that's for sure. The Huntington Beach Bad Boy is quite a douche bag, but I wanna see Arlovski beat Liddell's ass.

[ALVAREZ6]

I don't know much about UFC but how good was Ken Shamrock in his prime???

[cornbread]

I wanna see an Arlovski vs. Liddell fight.


I know Arlovski outweighs him by like 30 pounds, but someone's gotta beat Liddell's ass. Not because I dislike Liddell, I like him, better than Tito that's for sure. The Huntington Beach Bad Boy is quite a douche bag, but I wanna see Arlovski beat Liddell's ass.


I would love to see this match too. It's one of those dream matches that we as fans could only hope for. With Quentin Jackson being signed to UFC, you might get to see somebody beat Chuck's ass soon enough. Quentin did it once and he has the best chance out of anybody at doing it again.

[cornbread]

I don't know much about UFC but how good was Ken Shamrock in his prime???

Ken's prime was pretty long ago but he was a great fighter back in the day. They've released UFCs 1-6 on DVD so you can check out some of his old fights there. Just avoid the Superfights that he had with Royce Gracie and Dan Severn. These are 30 minute long snoozefests and there's really no reason to put yourself through watching them. I can't remember exactly which UFCs these were on but it should tell you on the DVD boxes.

[IX_Equilibrium]

My picks in bold.

Tito Ortiz vs Chuck Liddell

Andrei Arlvoski vs. Marcio Cruz

Forrest Griffin vs. Keith Jardine

Chris Leben vs. Jason MacDonald

Eric Schafer vs. Michael Bisping

Yushin Okami vs. Rory Singer

Tony DeSouza vs. Thiago Alves

Carmelo Marrero vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

Anthony Perosh Vs. Christian Wellisch

7 out of 9 picks correct.

I am really dissapointed in DeSouza's performance. Alves is no joke, but DeSouza has alot of experience and skills and should have put up a much better fight.

The Griffin/Jardine fight surprised me. Forrest's standup was crisp, sharp, and looked better than it ever has. But Jardine started brawling and caught Forrest. People are becoming very aware that Greg Jackson's camp in New Mexico is turning out to be one of the more respected schools in MMA. He has Diego, Jardine, and Rashad Evans in the UFC, and they all have bright futures, especially Diego.

Even without the signing of Cro-cop, UFC's heavyweight divison is finally starting to get interesting with a couple of guy's showing potential, most notably Gabriel Gonzaga. He is a big guy with some serious BJJ skills, and even some standup power. Another heavyweight I'd like to see again soon is Antoni Hardonk. I'd like to see more of his ground game before I further assess how well he'd go in the HW division.

Also, looks like AA is back on track. That was a hell of a punch he threw at Cruz. I really want him to get back into the hunt for the title. I could see him and Cro-cop facing each other in a title match in the future.

Jason MacDonald is for real. Leben was very aggresive and getting the better of him standing up, but MacDonald has excellent submission skills and shows he can catch you at any time, as he did Leben.

Finally, Chuck again showed why he is the best: World class take down defense and an unorthadox and dangerous standup game. When you look at all the names of all of the people he has knocked out, it's very impressive and he has definately defended his title against some real talent. I'd love to see him and Jackson go at it again. Chuck fought a stupid fight their 1st fight because he completely ignored his entire gameplan. Also, back in '03, Jackson was at his highest point in his MMA career. Chuck is a better fighter now than he was back then and I'd say this is his highest point in his career. It would be an interesting fight, and if they fought tomorrow, I'd put my money on Chuck.

[Mr Dio]

Funny, I didn't think it was that bad of an ass kicking by Chuck over Tito.
I went back & watched it twice yesterday & heard Randy C even say that the blows by Chuck, that many were going crazy over, weren't really hurting Tito because most were being blocked by Tito's arm.
All the replays of the last couple of seconds even show Tito starting to move to get back up & the ref stopping the fight. Tito then kicks in the air in what looks like frustration at having the fight stopped prematurely.

I gotta hand it to Tito, no excuses despite the questionable stoppage.
He knows he wasn't beat but has prob seen too many fighters make excuses afterwards.
Tito wanted no part of excuses.

[Mr Dio]

Amazing.
After reading this thread, it would seem a few still think Tim S is the best HW in the UFC.

BTW, whatever happened to that Wunderkind Russian youngin' that was supposed to go unbeaten & tear thru the UFC?

[IX_Equilibrium]

BTW, whatever happened to that Wunderkind Russian youngin' that was supposed to go unbeaten & tear thru the UFC?


Who are you talking about?

[Mr Dio]

Exactly.
Anyways, I think that guy lost a little while back in some bush league fight.

[dallaskd]

Chucks win over Randy Couture > Chucks win over Tito Ortiz

when randy was in his prime he was the greastest ufc fighter of all time

[dallaskd]

Ken's prime was pretty long ago but he was a great fighter back in the day. They've released UFCs 1-6 on DVD so you can check out some of his old fights there. Just avoid the Superfights that he had with Royce Gracie and Dan Severn. These are 30 minute long snoozefests and there's really no reason to put yourself through watching them. I can't remember exactly which UFCs these were on but it should tell you on the DVD boxes.

yet, severn, gracie and shamrock are all in the hall of fame.

[cornbread]

yet, severn, gracie and shamrock are all in the hall of fame.

As they should be. Those 30 minute Superfights were terribly boring though.

[cornbread]

Amazing.
After reading this thread, it would seem a few still think Tim S is the best HW in the UFC.

BTW, whatever happened to that Wunderkind Russian youngin' that was supposed to go unbeaten & tear thru the UFC?

The rumors of Aleksanders E's switch to UFC never came to fruition. Too bad. He would have been a great addition to the division. But things are looking much better now that Crocop is in the mix.

[cornbread]

Exactly.
Anyways, I think that guy lost a little while back in some bush league fight.

Yeah, he lost to Fabricio Werdum. Heard of him?

[Mr Dio]

Yeah, he lost to Fabricio Werdum. Heard of him?


Werdum, yeah.
Is he ranked ahead of Tim Sylvia (or Arlovski)?



So, the Russian DIDN'T win afterall??????

[cornbread]

Werdum, yeah.
Is he ranked ahead of Tim Sylvia (or Arlovski)?



So, the Russian DIDN'T win afterall??????

No, I think Werdum is a couple of spots below those champs. But hold on Mr. Dio. Those aren't even the best the HW's in UFC, right? Isn't Vera the best? Is Werdum ranked below The Truth? I'm sure he is being that Werdum is just a "bush league" fighter.

[Mr Dio]

I feel Vera is the best HW in the UFC right now.
AND, AND AND, I still think Kongo could still make some noise in the HW div in the future.

I have to reply on your vast expertise and ask, you feel Werdum is the better fighter than Vera?


AND-----------> What ever happened to Aleks coming to the UFC & a cold or cool Russian winter, or breeze, or whatever?????

[IX_Equilibrium]

AND, AND AND, I still think Kongo could still make some noise in the HW div in the future.


Kongo can't do shit. He has standup skills, but absolutely zero takedown defense. And after he gets taken to the ground, he is useless. If Carmelo Marerro can control him on the ground, think of what someone like Gabriel Gonzaga would do to him. He would get subbed in 2 minutes.

[Mr Dio]

Kongo can't do shit. He has standup skills, but absolutely zero takedown defense. And after he gets taken to the ground, he is useless. If Carmelo Marerro can control him on the ground, think of what someone like Gabriel Gonzaga would do to him. He would get subbed in 2 minutes.

We'll see.
I could be & have been wrong.
I have no prob admitting that. Others might.

[cornbread]

I feel Vera is the best HW in the UFC right now.
AND, AND AND, I still think Kongo could still make some noise in the HW div in the future.

I have to reply on your vast expertise and ask, you feel Werdum is the better fighter than Vera?


AND-----------> What ever happened to Aleks coming to the UFC & a cold or cool Russian winter, or breeze, or whatever?????

I agree with you on Vera. I hope Kongo will develop into a major player because I really enjoy his style but I'm not counting on it at this point. His ground game and td defense just looked so weak in his last fight. That could improve in time though.

In regards to Vera and Werdum, I feel that Werdum is better for the same reason that he's ranked higher; he's proven himself against a higher level of competition. Plus his ADCC history puts him on different level in terms of grappling. Werdum has also been training with Crocop for some time now and his striking is looking pretty damn sharp. Maybe not at Vera's level but still very sharp.

And like I said earlier, for whatever reason the Aleks to UFC deal never worked out. I have no idea why. I just know that I was disappointed because more talent in the HW division would be a great thing for us fans. Fortunately, Crocop is a better addition than AE and it shows that the UFC wants top level talent and they have $$$ to make it happen.

[Mr Dio]

In regards to Vera and Werdum, I feel that Werdum is better for the same reason that he's ranked higher; he's proven himself against a higher level of competition. Plus his ADCC history puts him on different level in terms of grappling. Werdum has also been training with Crocop for some time now and his striking is looking pretty damn sharp. Maybe not at Vera's level but still very sharp.
(We differ in opinion here. Werdum no slouch BUT, his last fight's arena of fighting isn't exactly the pinnacle as are the UFC/Pride(ish) arenas. He's had several Pride fights no? Why stray?)

...more talent in the HW division would be a great thing for us fans.
(I concur)

Fortunately, Crocop is a better addition than AE and it shows that the UFC wants top level talent and they have $$$ to make it happen.
(I concur)

[cornbread]

Werdum no slouch BUT, his last fight's arena of fighting isn't exactly the pinnacle as are the UFC/Pride(ish) arenas. He's had several Pride fights no? Why stray?)


Very true. It seems like a step down from Pride. But a high level match is high level match no matter where it is. I don't know why he would stray from Pride though. Maybe that particular smaller org offered him a big paycheck for the AE fight. I don't really know.

[Mr Dio]

True, $$$ talks. Loud N Clear.

[LEONARD]

LOL...the return of Dio to the MMA threads...awesome... :fro


BTW, whatever happened to that Wunderkind Russian youngin' that was supposed to go unbeaten & tear thru the UFC?


Exactly.
Anyways, I think that guy lost a little while back in some bush league fight.

Such a fan of the sport... :lol :lol :lol :lol

Aleks E coming over ended up being just a rumor. Him signing to fight with Bodogfight in Russia in March might've had something to do with that not happening. WHo knows...

Bush league?? 2H2H is a feeder league for Pride. Hardly "bush league"...

and Werdum is a stud who himself would run thru the UFC HW's (he'd even have a chance vs Crocop due to his ground skills)...

[LEONARD]

UFC 66 Sat Night....

My picks:
Upsets: Tito, MacDonald, Jardine, Schafer, Perosh
Locks: Okami, Alves, AA, Gonzaga
Announcements: Crocop signed. Rampage will be there too, but he's already announced as having signed)

6/9...I knew Tito was a reach. I was just hoping I guess... :fro

Props to Chuck....time for Rampage, hopefully 2 fights from now...

I hope we never see Leben again. His hair is a disgrace to the sport...garbage that they don't need in the UFC...

Dana probably shed a tear over his poster boy Forrest getting rocked. He's been over-rated since his sloppy fight with Bonnar. And WTF??

Alves is a stud...Bisping looked really good.

[DarkReign]

My first PPV and it was pretty good.

Leben is junk. Dude doesnt even looks like he trains. "Hands of brick" my ass. His punches are slow and completely inaccurate.

I like Lidell, but I was hoping for a better fight. The ref stoppage was legit, like Dan said, laying in the fetal position is not "intelligently defending yourself".

I was surprised with the Griffin loss. Although Leonard may think he is overrated, I think he may be underrated. Jardine is no joke. He has holes, but he is a solid fighter both on his feet and on the ground. Griffin shoulda, coulda, woulda....bottom line, he got knocked out (and didnt take it too well either).

Good card all around though. That Alva fight was BORING! ugh...so boring. Looked like Alva could have really put the pain on DeSouza, but had too much respect to kill him (as he could have). The Gonzaga dude put on a ground clinic. Was it the competition that made him look so good? World titles in BJJ speak to the fact that he just may be capable of putting on a similar clinic against much better competition. Bisping owned, not that I expected much else. Lets see what he does against some quality. MacDonald is Canadian, therefore has an inferiority complex and therefore when trying to talk "tough" comes across like a pussy ("Im not a stepping stone!"). GSP even sounds goofy when he talks junk, its a Canadian thinkg I guess (although GSP can more than back it up, hell, he can carry it up 30 flights of stairs).

Im not interested in seeing Rampage and CroCop in the next PPV. Theyre fighting 2nd tier talent and should win very quickly and very handily. When they start moving up the rankings, I will be more than interested, I'll be exstatic.

[dbreiden83080]

Muscle does not equal a fight deciding advantage. If it did, Jeff Monson would be heavyweight champ. Strength/muscle is only a small component of the game. A perfect example of this would be the greatest fighter in the world, Fedor Emelienanko, who most people would describe as pudgy and undersized for a heavyweight.

Tito fought a really good fight against Chuck. There are not many guys that could have survived the beating he took at the end of round 1 and then come back to win the 2nd round. All you have to do is look at Chuck's record he is crushing everybody that is put in front of him. This is the first fight Chuck actually was pushed and tested in like 2 years.

[Mr Dio]

LOL...the return of Dio to the MMA threads...awesome... :fro

(Been off this site for couple a few wks)




Such a fan of the sport...
Aleks E coming over ended up being just a rumor.

(Hmm, who was spreading & believing this rumor? :lol :lol :lol :lol Such great insight we were treated to by this/these insiders :lol How vast their knowledge. :lol :lol :lol :lol )


Bush league?? 2H2H is a feeder league for Pride. Hardly "bush league"...

(We'll see how great pride is in 2009 :downspin: . BTW, when a parrot pisses in the Amazon & runs dowhhill into a stream, doesn't that feed the mighty river itself?
Such is this board & the pride groupies. Jeeeez. :rolleyes )



and Werdum is a stud who himself would run thru the UFC HW's (he'd even have a chance vs Crocop due to his ground skills)...

(Wow Leonard actually favoring a pride fighter over all the UFC HWs, that is news!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol )


I look forward to yet another yr of your great insight & the overwhelming dominance & long life of pride. :lmao

[LEONARD]

Dio...it's amazing that you're ripping on me, yet...

1. You didn't know who Aleks E is... (the rumor was on various MMA news sites by the way)
2. You didn't know who Werdum is... (how can you laugh at me for stating my opinion on how good he is???)
3. You didn't know what 2H2H is...
4. Here is the latest top 10 HW's (mmaweekly.com)

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko
2. Mirko Cro Cop
3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4. Josh Barnett
5. Tim Sylvia
6. Andrei Arlovski
7. Fabricio Werdum
8. Aleksander Emelianenko
9. Mark Hunt
10. Sergei Kharitonov

Come back when you actually follow the sport enough to speak intelligently about it...

[Mr Dio]

Wow, you can tell me who/what I didn't know?
Your skills & ESP are beyond anything ever witnessed by mankind Leonard.
You are indeed the know it all wiz of all things MMA.
:lmao

Did I have you believin' that? :lmao :lmao :lmao

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This is by far the best.
Leo thinks Tim is the best HW in the UFC.

Nuff said.
Now what? :smokin

[LEONARD]

Wow, you can tell me who/what I didn't know?
Your skills & ESP are beyond anything ever witnessed by mankind Leonard.
You are indeed the know it all wiz of all things MMA.
:lmao

Did I have you believin' that? :lmao :lmao :lmao

For starters, you're the most confusing mofo I've ever seen on ANY message board...

I based what I said on these things that YOU said:


BTW, whatever happened to that Wunderkind Russian youngin' that was supposed to go unbeaten & tear thru the UFC?


Exactly.
Anyways, I think that guy lost a little while back in some bush league fight.


Werdum, yeah. Is he ranked ahead of Tim Sylvia (or Arlovski)? So, the Russian DIDN'T win afterall??????

I've never claimed to be the "wiz of all things MMA" but when you say crap like this maybe you should find another sport to follow...


This is by far the best.
Leo thinks Tim is the best HW in the UFC.

Nuff said.
Now what? :smokin

WTF?? I hate Tim Sylvia, just like most MMA fans do. He's a joke and will be gone soon. What the hell are you talking about dude??? :dizzy

[Mr Dio]

Let me help you Leo, since you obviously like to try & laugh at others when you actually should realize that there are other org's than pride (for now) & their AWESOME ( :rolleyes ) feeder leagues.

There are more rankings than just SherPuppy, MMA Wkly, Leo's Massive MMA site.com & Who Cares.com


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Watch, I can copy & paste just LIKE YOU.


1. Fedor Emelianenko

2. Brandon Vera <---Heard of him Leo? Why of course you have! You told us all about Brandon Bera before the UFC knew of Brandon. :lol :lol :lol

3. Rodrigo Nogueira
4. Mirko Filipovic
5. Tim Sylvia <----------Leo's Boy :lol
6. Jeff Monson
7. Josh Barnett
8. Fabricio Werdum
9. Ibragim Magomedov
10. Edson Draggo

[Mr Dio]

You really do fail to realize that your love affair with steroid monkeys doesn't mean everyone is in love with them.

You could actually give some good input but it is usually only when you copy & paste & not everytime.

Please come back when you actually know about MMA & not just pride. :smokin

[LEONARD]

Let me help you Leo, since you obviously like to try & laugh at others when you actually should realize that there are other org's than pride (for now) & their AWESOME ( :rolleyes ) feeder leagues.

There are more rankings than just SherPuppy, MMA Wkly, Leo's Massive MMA site.com & Who Cares.com


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Watch, I can copy & paste just LIKE YOU.


1. Fedor Emelianenko

2. Brandon Vera <---Heard of him Leo? Why of course you have! You told us all about Brandon Bera before the UFC knew of Brandon. :lol :lol :lol

3. Rodrigo Nogueira
4. Mirko Filipovic
5. Tim Sylvia <----------Leo's Boy :lol
6. Jeff Monson
7. Josh Barnett
8. Fabricio Werdum
9. Ibragim Magomedov
10. Edson Draggo

Hey dickneck, I order every UFC PPV...what are you talking about me not knowing there are other org's? Did you watch K-1 Dynamite over the weekend? Or did you even watch Shockwave?? I intend on watching WEC, Elite XC, Gracie FC, Bodog, etc too...

Of course rankings are subjective and vary some, but MMAWeekly is the most commonly used in the MMA community. (Sherdog doesn't do rankings)

I don't know what that garbage is you just posted...maybe a lame attempt at humor on your part??? :dizzy

[LEONARD]

You really do fail to realize that your love affair with steroid monkeys doesn't mean everyone is in love with them.

You could actually give some good input but it is usually only when you copy & paste & not everytime.

Please come back when you actually know about MMA & not just pride. :smokin

Simply amazing...

[Mr Dio]

Hey dickneck,

(Once again you show your lack of maturity.
Grow up then come back.
Ok Opie?) :lol

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I order every UFC PPV...what are you talking about me not knowing there are other org's? Did you watch K-1 Dynamite over the weekend? Or did you even watch Shockwave?? I intend on watching WEC, Elite XC, Gracie FC, Bodog, etc too...

(Wow, no wonder you think you're the know it all of MMA.
You might need a life man. Ever hear of women? Beer? Football?
Please, Please don't tell me you are a mavs fan! :lol The MMA Wiz Leo is a mavs fan?!?! :lol :lol :lol )

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Of course rankings are subjective and vary some, but MMAWeekly is the most commonly used in the MMA community. (Sherdog doesn't do rankings)

So you've polled every MMA fan/fighter/org./sponsor/etc..???? :lmao
Leo, you've just sent your argument into a serious :downspin:
LEO, the Mayor of the MMA community! :lol :lol


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I don't know what that garbage is you just posted...maybe a lame attempt at humor on your part??? :dizzy

Like calling someone "dickneck"?
Is that you being Leo or you being a grown up?

You lack cred & have no knowledge other than copy & paste. :smokin

I on the other hand don't claim to know it all nor do I claim the UFC has all the best fighters in the world.

[Mr Dio]

Simply amazing...

Your input yet AGAIN is beyond words.

[LEONARD]

Why do I keep replying to you?? Unbelievable...

[stevallica]

their fighters might not be as good, but ufc is the best league in the world

[Mr Dio]

their fighters might not be as good, but ufc is the best league in the world

Don't tell that to the pride groupies on this board!
They'll shit & say you know nothing about MMA & blah blah balh!!!
:lol


The UFC's promise had been evident yrs ago & now the past few it is living up to it.

IMO the UFC is now gearing up to take this org & sport to levels never seen before by any org. This is partially evident by the UFC securing fighters from other org's that couldn't keep their own. It will take more than just some noise sticks & flash bang thingys or whatever they use in whatever country to keep the talent that best compliments the fighters currently in the UFC.

[Mr Dio]

Why do I keep replying to you?? Unbelievable...


Why do I keep commenting to/with you!? Unfathomable.....

[IX_Equilibrium]

Why do I keep replying to you?? Unbelievable...


Why do I keep commenting to/with you!? Unfathomable.....

You two lovebirds need to get a room :blah

[LEONARD]

You two lovebirds need to get a room :blah

LOL...hardly...

Man, I've posted on dozens over message boards and I've never seen anybody more confusing than this dude. Sometimes I think he's just trying to not make sense to confuse everybody... :dizzy

[Mr Dio]

You two lovebirds need to get a room :blah


C'mon Leonard!
You're saying I'm ugly??? You sang a diff tune last weekend Big Guy!!!!!

[LEONARD]

My reply to every Dio post from here on out...

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[kris]

I wanna see an Arlovski vs. Liddell fight.


I know Arlovski outweighs him by like 30 pounds, but someone's gotta beat Liddell's ass. Not because I dislike Liddell, I like him, better than Tito that's for sure. The Huntington Beach Bad Boy is quite a douche bag, but I wanna see Arlovski beat Liddell's ass.

Orlovski isn't the same since Maniac beat him the first time. It took all his confidence away. Orlovski's still a great fighter despite his fear, but his glass chin takes away any shot at him being dominant again.

[LEONARD]

Orlovski isn't the same since Maniac beat him the first time. It took all his confidence away. Orlovski's still a great fighter despite his fear, but his glass chin takes away any shot at him being dominant again.

Who's Orlovski??

and Tim Sylvia said they fixed his chin after their last fight... ;)

[Mr Dio]

Who's Orlovski??

You didn't know he was speaking of Arlovski??
The Great Leo, Leo the Know it All, Leo the MMA Wiz, Leo the Legend in his own mind didn't know this?
Talk about getting confused! :lol :lol :lol

Or wait, was it Leo being an ass? Nooo!!!! :rolleyes

[Mr Dio]

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My reply to every Leo post from here on out... :lol