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timvp

01-02-2007, 05:05 PM

He was restricted, it wasn't that easy.

:pctoss for drafting Sanikidze over Ariza.

Yeah, Spurs had no luck with restricted free agents this summer.

Bruno

01-02-2007, 05:07 PM

The list is fine.

I don't find it fine. Most of these players will be old or/and won't be a good fit with Parker/Manu/Duncan.

Bruno

01-02-2007, 05:10 PM

Yeah, Spurs had no luck with restricted free agents this summer.

Are you saying that getting Ariza would have been as easy as getting Elson and Butler ?
I don't think so, orlando was quite high on him.

Notorious H.O.P.

01-02-2007, 05:41 PM

Can you not read? The Clips *are willing to do the deal*, the Spurs passed.

No comprende or what?

Maybe I missed it in the ten pages of arguments but was there an article that specifically states that the Clippers *are willing to do the deal*?

The article stated that the Clippers *would be intrigued by an offer* of B&B. It didn't state that the Clippers would do the deal. This is assuming the deal was even offered by either side.

Again, I may have missed another article that stated the offer was made and turned down by the Spurs but it seems this has gone from a "maybe the Clips would take B&B for Maggette" to a "I can't believe the Spurs turned down this deal" rant.

Dirk Nowitzki

01-03-2007, 12:24 AM

The Spurs need to hire Dan Scott to coach the damn team and be the new gm! He wants to win at any costs! Look at how he was towards his son Nathan! :drunk

Mr.Bottomtooth

01-03-2007, 12:26 AM

Welcome back! Where've you been???

Dirk Nowitzki

01-03-2007, 12:28 AM

Welcome back! Where've you been???

On vacation where I had very limited use of a CPU but access to a tv to see my boys continue to rape the shit out of the NBA! :fro

Mr.Bottomtooth

01-03-2007, 12:34 AM

On vacation where I had very limited use of a CPU but access to a tv to see my boys continue to rape the shit out of the NBA! :fro
I do give them props. Best of luck on Friday's game. How's it goin trying to get Webber?

THE SIXTH MAN

01-03-2007, 03:30 AM

timvp

01-03-2007, 03:32 AM

Bruno

01-03-2007, 05:58 AM

If a deal is still on the table (I think it's dead now), please, do it RC and Pop.

VaSpursFan

01-03-2007, 08:08 AM

BOXSCORE for both players on tonight's games.

min/ fgm-a/ 3pm-a/ ftm-a/ off/ def/ tot/ ast/ pf/ st/ to/ bs/ pts/
24:58/ 6-11/ 0-0/ 8-13/ 1/ 2/ 3/ 0/ 2/ 1/ 2/ 0/ 20/
C.Maggette

min/ fgm-a/ 3pm-a/ ftm-a/ off/ def/ tot/ ast/ pf/ st/ to/ bs/ pts/
24:23/ 1-4 / 1-3/ 1-1 / 0 / 3/ 3/ 3/ 4/ 1/ 2/ 0/ 4/
B.Barry

13 free throw attempts means at least 6-7 fouls on the opposing team. pressuring the defense or chucking 3's. which has more value. i'm really beginning to question the FO. if you're not a FA destination, kidd and o'neal let us know this, the only way to get better is through TRADES or the DRAFT. and since we always have a kick ass regular season record, we really need to focus on trades to get quality players to get here. there are only so many european gems you can find late in the draft.

VaSpursFan

01-03-2007, 08:10 AM

Maggette played more minutes :madrun

:lol :lol :lol actually it was like .35 more seconds than barry. but barry did shoot 100% for the free throw line

and...hit a three

:downspin: :downspin: :downspin:

mountainballer

01-03-2007, 08:55 AM

at least this story tells us, that the Spurs are activly working on a trade to get the Player we have been talking about for quite some time

I would love to see Maggette as a Spur.
in a trade for Barry Spurs of course would lose much, but IMO win much more.
most points have been mentioned.
I don't agree that Maggette is a liability as a defender and also that he is a bad locker room influence.
with the Spurs he would become a decent defender (like most player, who were not known as good defenders before joining the Spurs) and I don't know stories that would put Maggette into the headcase category.

but anyhow. maybe the Clippers asking price was higher than just Brent+Beno, what we don't know, maybe it included the 1st rounder 2007.
(I would be very surprised, if a team like the Clippers didn't try to also get a pick out of a Maggette trade, especially since they would trade for a 35 years old player)

AFBlue

01-03-2007, 02:12 PM

but anyhow. maybe the Clippers asking price was higher than just Brent+Beno, what we don't know, maybe it included the 1st rounder 2007.
(I would be very surprised, if a team like the Clippers didn't try to also get a pick out of a Maggette trade, especially since they would trade for a 35 years old player)

Agreed here about the possibility that a pick was involved. That, more than anything, would probably make the FO think twice.

I think the Barry thing is overplayed. Yes he stretches the defense with his range and yes he's a good locker room guy, but the bottom line is that Corey Maggette scores and rebounds in bunches. He does even better when he's secure with his position on a team. The Spurs should take the risk...he's worth it.

Mr. Body

01-04-2007, 03:29 PM

I'm sure we're all sick of the Maggette pseudo-saga by now, but he's still out there agitating.

Orange County Register (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/44036/19691231/maggette_certain_he_will_be_dealt_this_season/ )

Maggette Certain He Will Be Dealt This Season
3rd January, 2007 - 8:37 am
Orange County Register -
Corey Maggette does not believe he will finish the season as a member of the Clippers.

When he was asked if that was a possibility on Tuesday, he said emphatically, “No, I won’t be here.’’

Maggette has expressed to the Clippers his desire to be traded and the Clippers have been open to his agent, Rob Pelinka, contacting various teams to see what interest they have.

“I don’t want to make my issue a big thing with the team,” Maggette said. “At the end of the day, I have to stay professional and play basketball.

Bruno

01-04-2007, 04:17 PM

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/16379428.htm

Miami Herald
Posted on Thu, Jan. 04, 2007
BY ISRAEL GUTIERREZ

TRADE INQUIRIES

Riley has hinted at change more than once this season, but the later it gets in the season, the more weight those threats seem to carry. According to league sources, the Heat has inquired about acquiring the Clippers' Corey Maggette in a trade as recently as last week, and the team also has expressed interest in acquiring Ron Artest from Sacramento, or possibly Mike Bibby if the Kings choose to trade the point guard and his large contract. Neither the Clippers nor Kings, though, have demonstrated much interest in what the Heat has to offer.

yavozerb

01-04-2007, 06:05 PM

Beno+Barry=Maggette..
TP-Manu-Vaughn
Maggette-Manu-White (call him up)
Bowen-Finley-Manu-White
TD-Horry-Bonner
Elson-Oberto-TD

Please_dont_ban_me

01-04-2007, 06:13 PM

Man, that's tough...

Barry's having a nice year, but I wouldn't pass on Maggette just to keep him. You still have Finley coming off the bench, and manu and TP dominate the ball most of the game anyways. Replacing Udrih/Barry can be done. Adding a Maggette to your team isn't something you get the chance to do often. Oh well...

supaphly119

01-04-2007, 06:14 PM

didnt maggette get hurt last night?

yavozerb

01-04-2007, 06:28 PM

didnt maggette get hurt last night?
No, that was mobley who hurt his ankle. Now it becomes even more difficult to trade for maggette cause he is starting!!

supaphly119

01-04-2007, 06:32 PM

No, that was mobley who hurt his ankle. Now it becomes even more difficult to trade for maggette cause he is starting!!

Status Alert: Maggette suffered a sprained left ankle and strained left arch, the Los Angeles Times reports. (Jan 3)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3336

yavozerb

01-04-2007, 06:59 PM

Status Alert: Maggette suffered a sprained left ankle and strained left arch, the Los Angeles Times reports. (Jan 3)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3336
Corey Maggette: Starts in Place of Injured Mobley
Corey Maggette: Starts in Place of Injured Mobley

RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com
Thursday, January 4, 2007
Update: Maggette (ankle) moved into the starting line-up Wednesday night in place of the injured Cuttino Mobley, and responded with 16 points and 11 rebounds in 40 minutes of play.

Recommendation: Maggette does not appear to be limited by his ankle injury, and his value gets an obvious boost for as long as he remains in the starting line-up.

So i guess both guys were hurt but mobley's injury is worse..

supaphly119

01-04-2007, 08:18 PM

16 and 11 hurt? fuck, i'd give the clips anyone they wanted.

Que Gee

01-04-2007, 09:44 PM

This forum is seriously overvaluing what Corey Maggette is.

Understatement of the month...There are some people in this forum who just ride the "names" of people. Much like people are die hard Finley fans because they remember the Finley of old and keep riding those memories even though he has been horrid for two seasons. Corey Maggette has been nothing what people seem to think he is. Its not about stats all the time people. I wonder how many have actually watched him play with any regularity?

Kori summed it up well with her various points.

IMO Pietrus would be a better option. He's not as fragile as it would seem as he has gotten some "bad breaks." Getting a broken nose is isn't being fragile...its just bad luck for example. Short term, he's a good defensive player now. But he isn't as far off offensively as TIMVP may think. And its not like with the Spurs offense he'd be getting a lot of shots anyway.

This deal isn't going to happen.

The problem is the Spurs are back to playing like the Spurs before Manu got hurt. Tony dribbling around for 14 seconds then 1 pass then a shot. The guy has 7 assists in the last two games.

Remember how the Spurs were first playing when Manu got back? Remember all the passing and easy shots they were getting? Remember Tony's 12+ assists in one game?! Move the FUCKING BALL on offense...and things will be right back to normal. I am not saying the Spurs shouldn't make a deal if there is someone who could help them...

Its "THE WAY THEY ARE PLAYING", not "WHO" is playing.

SequSpur

01-04-2007, 09:46 PM

Que Gee

01-04-2007, 09:50 PM

alot of times Parker is passing to someone at the top for the high low, therefore he is not getting the credit.

Also, most of the Spurs starters can't hit a shot to save their lives. So he takes it upon himself to score.

Ya, ya,....I know. Its all about how the Spurs are so bad offensively that he "has" to carry them. BS. He can get his and still get people set up for some easy shots...which is NOT what he does.

I'm not saying this is all on Tony. I'm just pointing out that the flow of the offense has been horrible. But, this does usually start with the point guard.

SenorSpur

01-04-2007, 11:03 PM

Some have stated that bringing Maggette in would screw up the Spurs plans for loads of cap room. Well, cap room don't mean shit if you don't have good players available.

Case and point: The Chicago Bulls have had loads of cap room for about 3-4 seasons and why? Because they could find appropriate FAs that fit their scheme. They waited for several years before finally spending a substantial portion of their cap money this past offseason on Ben Wallace - even then they seriously overpaid for him.

The moral of the story even if you have a shitload of cash, it could take a couple of offseasons to find the right mix of players. Get the guys you want when they become avaiable on the cheap. The Clipppers are so desparate to get rid of Maggette that I believe the price will go down as we move toward the trade deadline.

Mr. Body

01-04-2007, 11:28 PM

It's not cap room that's important for the Spurs, it's the luxury tax. For a team that doesn't want to pay the tax, we're not going over it. Maggette eats a chunk of what would come available from the E. Williams and Bonner expiring contracts, giving us less money for MLEs.

SenorSpur

01-04-2007, 11:56 PM

Better to pay the luxury tax during the Duncan era - if it means contending for a championsihp. Of course, I'm not talking about exhorbiant penalties as with the Knicks or Mavs.

Mr. Body

01-05-2007, 02:05 AM

Better to pay the luxury tax during the Duncan era - if it means contending for a championsihp. Of course, I'm not talking about exhorbiant penalties as with the Knicks or Mavs.

I'll get you Holt's phone number.

THE SIXTH MAN

01-05-2007, 02:07 AM

I just read this from RealGM.com

TRADE INQUIRIES

Riley has hinted at change more than once this season, but the later it gets in the season, the more weight those threats seem to carry. According to league sources, the Heat has inquired about acquiring the Clippers' Corey Maggette in a trade as recently as last week, and the team also has expressed interest in acquiring Ron Artest from Sacramento, or possibly Mike Bibby if the Kings choose to trade the point guard and his large contract. Neither the Clippers nor Kings, though, have demonstrated much interest in what the Heat has to offer.

Link (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/44049/20070104/heat_looked_into_maggette_and_artest_deals/)

polandprzem

01-05-2007, 05:26 AM

mountainballer

01-05-2007, 06:32 AM

Maggette eats a chunk of what would come available from the E. Williams and Bonner expiring contracts, giving us less money for MLEs.

the expiring contract of Williams will not come available, because this is just the number of the increase of the salaries of the other Spurs players.
so Spurs don't even have the whole MLE 2007, without going over the lux tax threshold.
they can only hope for a rise of the threshold, or they buy out Horry, (who then would retire) if he agrees.
they also could refuse to use the team option on Bruce, which is very unlikely IMO.

Bruno

01-05-2007, 06:57 AM

or they buy out Horry, (who then would retire) if he agrees.
they also could refuse to use the team option on Bruce, which is very unlikely IMO.

Horry next year isn't fully guaranteed. If he retires (or if Spurs decide that he isn't worth his salary), Spurs won't have to give him his whole salary. I don't know how much money is guaranteed but if I have well understand the CBA, it should be less than 50%.
For Bowen : if Spurs don't pick up his option they have to give him $2M.

Bruno

01-05-2007, 07:01 AM

Heat has got nothing accept Wade.
And I do not thing that the best pack in Haslem + JWill will be satisfying for Clipps.

Heat has way enough things to get Maggette outside Wade (Dorell Wright, first round pick...). The problem should eb that they aren't ready to give that to get Maggette.

SenorSpur

01-05-2007, 07:21 AM

I'll get you Holt's phone number.

But you get my point. Once Duncan retires, who's to say the Spurs will be fortunate enough to obtain yet another franchise-type player. Fiscal responsibility certainly has it's place and is a good thing. However a mil or two of the cap isn't a bad sacrifice in oder to ensure championship contention. Of course, that means making the right personnel moves in the process.

mountainballer

01-05-2007, 07:48 AM

Horry next year isn't fully guaranteed. If he retires (or if Spurs decide that he isn't worth his salary), Spurs won't have to give him his whole salary. I don't know how much money is guaranteed but if I have well understand the CBA, it should be less than 50%.
For Bowen : if Spurs don't pick up his option they have to give him $2M.

I knew about the comensation for Bruce, if the option isn't executed, but thought the number doesn't count against the cap.

I didn't know that Horry's contract isn't fully guarranteed. well, this is one more point why Spurs won't bring him back next season.
Horry will be 37, making 3.6 million, if Spurs are close to the threshold (and we know they will), the costs for the Spurs could be even higher.
I can see the Spurs pay the veterans minimum for a player like him (like he is now or will be one year from now), but not that much money. (this would be approximatly the money Scola would cost as his repleacement).

question: is it right, that the guarranteed part of Horry's next years salary counts against the cap in case he is waived?

Bruno

01-05-2007, 08:16 AM

I knew about the comensation for Bruce, if the option isn't executed, but thought the number doesn't count against the cap.

I didn't know that Horry's contract isn't fully guarranteed. well, this is one more point why Spurs won't bring him back next season.
Horry will be 37, making 3.6 million, if Spurs are close to the threshold (and we know they will), the costs for the Spurs could be even higher.
I can see the Spurs pay the veterans minimum for a player like him (like he is now or will be one year from now), but not that much money. (this would be approximatly the money Scola would cost as his repleacement).

question: is it right, that the guarranteed part of Horry's next years salary counts against the cap in case he is waived?

Both Bruce's and Horry's guaranteed money will count against the cap and the luxury tax. Most generally, you can't give money to a player that doesn't count against the cap and it's logical : what's the point of a salary cap if some salaries doesn't count against it ?
Only salaries that doesn't count agaisnt the cap are salaries of players retired for medical reasons but it's for not penalizing too much team that have had bad luck.

It's likely that Bowen will still play with Spurs next year, he is still good, he still want to play (he is thinking at a new contract at the end of this one) and he is worth $2M (his salary minus the guaranteed part).

I think that Horry will retire at the end of the year. It's time for him after a great carreer to hang up and I don't think he will be good for him to continue if he is only the shadow of the former Horry. I don't think too that he will be worth $2M (his salary minus the guaranteed part) next year . Horry's successor can be Scola or Bonner (Bonner has the edge to stretch the defense like Horry). But it won't be easy to find a successor for Horry if Spurs aren't ready to give players more than 1 year contracts because of the 08 plan.

mountainballer

01-05-2007, 08:31 AM

But it won't be easy to find a successor for Horry if Spurs aren't ready to give players more than 1 year contracts because of the 08 plan.

what is the 08 plan? Spurs have to repleace many players, but they won't be under the cap by more than MLE, because Tim, Tony and Manu will make a combined 45 million $.
I guess the big plan will focus on 2010, so there should be a chance that Spurs hand out 3 years contracts 2007. (like a 3 years/ 10 million $ contract for Scola for example)

AFBlue

01-05-2007, 08:33 AM

what is the 08 plan? Spurs have to repleace many players, but they won't be under the cap by more than MLE, because Tim, Tony and Manu will make a combined 45 million $.
I guess the big plan will focus on 2010, so there should be a chance that Spurs hand out 3 years contracts 2007. (like a 3 years/ 10 million $ contract for Scola for example)

Enough for a $7-8 mil player w/ enough money left over for fill-ins. Kinda like the Rasho deal...only it wouldn't involve Rasho this time, hopefully.

VaSpursFan

01-05-2007, 09:48 AM

Heat has way enough things to get Maggette outside Wade (Dorell Wright, first round pick...). The problem should eb that they aren't ready to give that to get Maggette.

if the heat give up dorrell wright for maggette, they're insane. i know i wouldn't pull the trigger on that. that dood is gonna be a stud and he's hell on the defensive end already.

MannyIsGod

01-05-2007, 10:01 AM

Ya, ya,....I know. Its all about how the Spurs are so bad offensively that he "has" to carry them. BS. He can get his and still get people set up for some easy shots...which is NOT what he does.

I'm not saying this is all on Tony. I'm just pointing out that the flow of the offense has been horrible. But, this does usually start with the point guard.ONCE AND FOR FUCKING ALL.....

Pop wants Tony to play the way he does. Do you understand?

Mr. Body

01-05-2007, 10:16 AM

if the heat give up dorrell wright for maggette, they're insane. i know i wouldn't pull the trigger on that. that dood is gonna be a stud and he's hell on the defensive end already.

I personally doubt it involved Wright. Riley was likely trying what the Spurs were, looking to see just how cheap Maggette is. Miami sure could use another live body.

I wonder just how much interest there is in Maggs right now. Teams like the Spurs apparently passing on him drives the price down even further and it looks like Artest was a pipe dream - the difference between the two is vast. The Clips are in a tough situation with him still calling for a trade, with his value at a low.

venitian navigator

01-05-2007, 11:33 AM

Maybe it's just that I'm too much worried about our team (after all, we are still in the first places of the western division), but I don't see S.A. superior or, anyway, with a very big chance of winning against some of the western (Dallas, Phoenix, Houston when everybody is healty) and some of the eastern, too (Cleveland, for exemple).
And makes me worry, more than anything else, the lack of athletism of the great part of our players. And this also looking in the potential future (Scola is a very good player and also nba player, but not a real athlete, and I'm scared his game, that looks a lot like the Duncan game, could not translate well in our team, more than in the nba).

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that we really need something...now!

I think we need athletes like Maggette.
I Think we should have made something more to take him and that we should still pursue him (in case the F.O. likes him and wants to come).

I think the same about the other role (center) we're weak at.
I've seen the last game of N.O. and I think that Chandler (if I remember correcly, the F.O. likes him a little bit), also if he has an horrible offensive game, could give us what we actually need the most : rebounding and shot blocking.
In case he's available, we should go for him now.
The fact we are in the top places in statistics about rebounding makes me laugh.
Sometimes statistics are the biggest lies.
I have the strong impression that, this season, we lack about intimidation, athleticism, strongness when needed.

Hope I'm really, really wrong.

However, I don't trust a 2008/2010 plan.
Duncan gives us a little edge now...and this won't last forever.

VaSpursFan

01-05-2007, 11:57 AM

I personally doubt it involved Wright. Riley was likely trying what the Spurs were, looking to see just how cheap Maggette is. Miami sure could use another live body.

I wonder just how much interest there is in Maggs right now. Teams like the Spurs apparently passing on him drives the price down even further and it looks like Artest was a pipe dream - the difference between the two is vast. The Clips are in a tough situation with him still calling for a trade, with his value at a low.

this could bode well for CIA pop. i'd like to see him in a spurs uni for sure.

Que Gee

01-05-2007, 12:18 PM

ONCE AND FOR FUCKING ALL.....

Pop wants Tony to play the way he does. Do you understand?

Really? Hmmm pretty bold statement. I think your wrong.
:smokin

Mr. Body

01-05-2007, 12:42 PM

this could bode well for CIA pop. i'd like to see him in a spurs uni for sure.

If I were the Clippers, I'd just hang on to him. He's not holding them hostage and they don't have to trade him for what they don't think is worthwhile. They might have better luck this summer, although there is a semi-glut of wingmen going on the market this offseason.

Bruno

01-05-2007, 12:53 PM

The Clips are in a tough situation with him still calling for a trade, with his value at a low.

Agree.

LaMarcus Bryant

01-05-2007, 03:26 PM

+/- stats are overrated :wakeup

mabber

01-05-2007, 03:30 PM

+/- stats are overrated :wakeup

Teams use them to determine their most effective lineups. I agree that they're over-rated on an individual basis though.

LaMarcus Bryant

01-05-2007, 03:30 PM

:wakeup i said

midgetonadonkey

01-05-2007, 03:31 PM

:wakeup i said

I agree.

timvp

01-05-2007, 11:37 PM

In the playoff atmosphere tonight, we got a good chance to see how Beno and Barry would play in April. Results?

32 minutes. 0-11 from the field. As many fouls as rebounds and assists combined.

If you can watch them play in this big game and honestly tell yourself that you'd rather have this duo than Corey Maggette, you need to pick a new sport to follow. Hell, I'd trade that duo for any player with a heartbeat who isn't going to crumble under pressure.

ShoogarBear

01-05-2007, 11:37 PM

How was dinner?

objective

01-05-2007, 11:44 PM

If you can watch them play in this big game and honestly tell yourself that you'd rather have this duo than Corey Maggette, you need to pick a new sport to follow. Hell

but . . . but . . . If the Spurs do that they won't be able to give Eddie Jones $30 million in 2008!

Maggette will kill our 'over the hill' swingman cap-room!

Bruno

01-06-2007, 05:26 AM

From Chris Sheridan chat (via hoopshype, I don't have an espn insider account) :

(The Spurs) have made inquiries about Maggette, and if and until he lands elsewhere, I'm told they're going to remain in that mix.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=14160

ChumpDumper

01-06-2007, 05:28 AM

Maggette isn't an outright cancer, so there is little reason for the Clippers (or us) to jump at the first offer. There should be plenty of rumors to come.

timvp

01-06-2007, 05:34 AM

At this point if the Spurs don't have Barry and Beno on the table at the very least, RC Buford needs to resign.

By waiting around, Barry's stock has dropped to the point that the Spurs would have to throw in a first rounder to even get the Clippers to answer the phone. The Spurs could've sold Barry high ... but then again, what is the last time in Spurs history that they sold a player high? It's usually a salary dump after the player has sucked so bad that the Spurs don't want to pay their contract anymore.

Kori Ellis

01-06-2007, 05:39 AM

From Chris Sheridan chat (via hoopshype, I don't have an espn insider account) :

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=14160

Here's the whole thing:

Welcome to The Show! On Friday, ESPN.com's NBA reporter Chris Sheridan will chat about the NBA season.
Chris came to ESPN from the Associated Press where he spent the last 10 years as the lead NBA writer.

Sheridan's chat tips off at noon ET on Friday so send in your questions now and join him right here for the answers.

Sheridan archives: Columns | Chats

Chris Sheridan: Greetings from the Chat Room, where they're letting me chat today despite my body fat being over the mandated 11 percent. We'll be bringing Antoine Walker and James Posey around to chat, too, if they continue to follow the Sheridan bacon and hot dogs diet. Your questions, please ...

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Ken (MD): With all the injuries and such, will the heat make it to the play offs this year?

Chris Sheridan: You know, it's starting to look like they'll have a steeper hill to climb than it originally appeared. There are seven teams at .500 or better in the East, and then there's the Atlantic Division winner taking the eighth spot, so it's a matter of how far they're going to have to come back to make it to .500 or so. This six-game trip they're starting figures to put them in a pretty deep hole.

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Gmoney DC: So whats the word on the Nets and trade Rumors? Carter and Kid?

Chris Sheridan: There are a few folks out there who feel Rod Thorn is plotting something big with Vince, but I was out at Nets practice Wednesday morning and spoke with him at length about where they're at and where Vince is at, and Rod sounded as though he's going to be patient with Vince because he's playing at about the same level as he was at this time a year ago. But this will be a big month for the Nets, especially for Vince, and they have a tough schedule with 10 of 15 games on the road. If VC doesn't snap out of whatever funk he's in over the next 4-5 weeks, then I think Rod will sit down with Ratner and tell him it's time to seriously consider a big shakeup.

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dave (toronto): who will be an all-star this year, Luol Deng or Caron Butler? who is more deserving?

Chris Sheridan: Well, theylre both deserving, but there's going to be a squeeze somewhere, and if one of those two gets squeezed out, I'd say it'd be Deng.

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Josh (Winston Salem): When are the Spurs going to finally realize that they need to get a new 3. Bowen is great on D but he is not going to last much longer and a guy like Corey Maggettee would fit in nicely with thier other players.

Chris Sheridan: They've made inquiries about Maggette, and if and until he lands elsewhere, I'm told they're going to remain in that mix.

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Brian (Pasadena, CA): Chris, Nate Robinson got a 10 game suspension for a hard foul on JR Smith because Smith decided to get up and punch him. James Posey got 1 game for a hard intentional foul on Luol Deng where Deng didn't get up and throw a punch. If the NBA is serious about cleaning up its act, how can they crack down harder on intentional fouls if the guy being fouled throws a punch than if the guy being fouled doesn't?

Chris Sheridan: The Nuggets-Knicks fight happened in David Stern's backyard when he wasn't exactly in the best of moods after caving in on the new ball. So the Nuggets and Knicks really did pick the wrong time and the wrong place to pull off that little donnybrook of theirs. Furthermore, Stern veered so far away from precedent that everyone is now screaming for two- and three-game suspensions for hard fouls likee Posey's. We call that the Can of Worms Factor here in Chatland.

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David (NYC): Any complaints about the new (old) ball?

Chris Sheridan: No complaints, but one interesting tidbit: Mitch Lawrence of the Daily News, Al Iannazzone of The Record and myself wre looking over the leather balls in the bin at Nets practice today, and one of them had "Golden State Warriors" stamped on it. Lawrence Frank said they had a Grizzlies ball there, too. Apparantly this is because Spalding called in all the balls all 30 teams had left over from last year, tested them and then redistributed them. I guess the Grizzlies and Warriors had more closet space than the Nets.

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Danny (Sandy, UT): Which player has been the biggest disappointment this season thus far?

Chris Sheridan: You want me to say Andrei Kirilenko, don't you?

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Dave (Charlottesville): Who was the greatest player who's last name was Williams?

Chris Sheridan: Gus.

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Mike (Charlotte): Chris, any chance the Bobcats make another move before the trade deadline?

Chris Sheridan: I'd put it at about a 95-98 percent certainty. They still have more than $11 million in cap room, so they can facilitate three-team trades better than anyone else in the league. I know they're ready to cut the cord on Walter Herrmann (see my last blog entry), who was never a good fit for them, and I know they wouldn't be unhappy to move Brevin Knight for an expiring contract and a draft pick.

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Nathan(nyc): Nate Robinson got suspended because he thought he was at a street game.. and tell the previous questioner that MardyCollins made the foul. Robinson implored JR Smith for a barfight.. he shud have been banned 15 games or more

Chris Sheridan: Lots of posts like yours, Nathan. This one still stirs up the emotions among Knicks and Nuggets fans alike.

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Fahim (LaLa Land): Hey Chris, give some love to my lakers please. how far will they go this year and does kobe have a chance of winning his first MVP? thx

Chris Sheridan: They deserve some after getting such huge shots from Vlade and Smush last night in Sacto. Also was good to see Phil Jackson taking a few potshots at the locals, questioning whether true basketball fans would have voted down a new arena and calling the visiting locker room a "dungeon." I'm not yet ready to say they can get to the conference finals, but I've liked them since the preseason when I picked them to beat the Suns in the Pacific, and I'm even more impressed with how they've done without Lamar. As for Kobe for MVP, that race is about as wide-open as ROY, and I'm not going to opine on it as of yet.

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Dave (Alaska): During his chat yesterday, Chad Ford basically endorsed a Jason Kidd for Devin Harris + Stackhouse + Croshere swap. What's your take, Chris?

Chris Sheridan: Well, if I'm Dallas I'd do it, but if I'm the Nets, where would that leave me a year from now? Trading Kidd would push Carter into opting out, so NJ would have a lineup of Jefferson, Harris, Krstic, Jason Collins and whatever two-guard they got on the free agent market. That team would win about 20 games, so I don't see this one making sense for NJ.

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Dave (Charlottesville): I've noticed that you've already posted 4 Dave's from different places. I want to set the record straight that it's not just one guy claiming to be from different places. We are all individuals. Actually, there's at least two of us. Just setting the record straight so it doesn't seem like we're monopolizing.

Chris Sheridan: It must be my own little subconscious tribute to Dav Pilkey, my household's favorite author. Either that or I'm channeling Dave DeBusschere, who also wants David Lee to start.

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Oliver ( NY): So let me get this straight, Magette wants out, Mo'pete wants out. Toronto wants another scorer and the Clipps a three point shooter, hmmmmmmmm. What am i missing ? Are the clipps holding out for Ray Allen or Paul Pierce or something ?

Chris Sheridan: Well, they thought they were getting Ron Artest for Maggette a year ago, and to settle for MoP and nothing else would be a little too bitter a pill for Elgin to swallow.

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Dan LA: which team is better when everybody is healthy, Nuggets or Lakers?

Chris Sheridan: Tough call, cuz you're talking about adding a healthy Kenyon Martin to the mix (never mind that he hasn't been healthy in 2-3 years) with Iverson, Carmelo and Camby in the mix. So I guess I'd have to say Denver, but if they met in a seven-game series I'm still not sure the Nuggets would be able to beat the Lakers because even at full strength they can't guard Kobe.

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Bill (Miami): If you're the Magic, do you hold your "possible" cap space for the summer and re-up your young core, or would you use Hill's expiring and picks to make a run at someone like Carter or Ray Allen?

Chris Sheridan: You go for Allen first and Carter second if those are truly options that are out there. But I don't think either guy is on the block _ yet.

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Steve (Amherst, OH): Chris, since Aloha boy wouldn't answer my question yesterday maybe you will. What can the Cavs do to get a better PG? Snow is awful.

Chris Sheridan: Teams call them asking about Varejao all the time, but the Cavs can't afford to move him _ and he's the only guy on the roster who can bring a quality PG in return. So you're stuck with Eric and his lousy point production, Steve, but you still have one of the steadiest floor leaders in the NBA leading a team that will need a steadying hand in the playoffs.

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Nate, PA: Should Dwight Howard start over Shaq in the All-Star game? The guys been ballin while Shaq's racking up the pounds on the bench.

Chris Sheridan: Yes, Dwight should get the start, but I don't think the fans will vote him in over The Big Exempt From The Bodyfat Rule Fella.

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Harold (Durham, NC): Where do you see Greg Oden playing next year?

Chris Sheridan: I see him beating Duke in the NCAA title game, Harold, after deciding to stay an extra year at Ohio State. Wouldn't ya like to see that from down in Durham?

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Henry (NY): Do you have any explanation as to why David Lee isn't starting? I know he still plays a lot of minutes anyway but it seems logical to pair up your best rebounding PF with a horrible rebounding center (curry).

Chris Sheridan: I think Lee is a bit of a defensive liability, which is factoring into Isiah's thinking moe than people may realize. But that being said, I'm on board with those you say Lee needs to be starting for the Knicks to succeed. Nobody on that team plays any defense anyway.

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pete(ny): Where do you see Mike Bibby and Rashard Lewis playing next year ?

Chris Sheridan: I think Bibby will decide NOT to opt out simply because he still has so much money coming to him over the final two years of his deal. I think Lewis is a goner from Seattle, and I think there will be about a dozen to 18 teams in the mix for him through a sign-and-trade come July.

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TiM (Pittsburgh): Is McGrady capable of leading the Rockets to the Championship or is his back to much of a factor now that he can only play so many games before he has to sit out?

Chris Sheridan: I spoke to Tracy for a while last week about the treatment he got in Waco from a back specialist who also works with Andy Roddick, and McGrady couldn't believe how much better he felt, saying he thought he was going to be out for at least a month. History, however, has shown that McGrady's back goes out of whack time and time again, so I'm going to take a wait-and-see on him over the next 6-8 weeks before I'm ready to say the Rockets are anything near championship material.

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Sandro (arlington, va): Gilbert for MVP! His swag is phenominal!

Chris Sheridan: Lots of Gilbert-MVP posts in the queue today, too, from all over the globe. Like I said before, I don't want to chime in on that race yet cuz it's so wide open, but I'd be doing the ChatLand a disservice if I did not acknowledge that GA seems to be building a groundswell of support.

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PJ Charlotte, NC: Chris: what about Vince to the bobcats for Primo, BK and a #1. gives the Nets some down low play and Vince hasn't been giving much anyways. Cats can try to resign vince to be the leader of a team sporting May Meka Morrison and Felton. Also could just finally change the name to the CLT HEELS =)

Chris Sheridan: It's something to chew on, PJ, and I'm among the believers that Vince would be happier in Charlotte than he is in New Jersey.

Chris Sheridan: And with that, we sign off from Chat Central until next Friday at noon EST.

Streakyshooter08

01-06-2007, 05:39 AM

Yeah, I really hoped Barry would continue to play well to rise his stock. Maybe it is just a bad stretch and he turns it around again. I really really hope the Spurs are still after Maggette...

Bruno

01-06-2007, 05:42 AM

Thanks Kori. :)

jcrod

01-06-2007, 05:55 AM

It will never happen. They need to get younger and quicker. The Smith trade last yr would be huge for us now. The Clips would not take Barry and Beno for Cory. Why would they?

SenorSpur

01-06-2007, 09:22 AM

If a 3 game losing streak (first one in I don't know how many years) isn't enough to make the FO wake the fuck up and realize they have to go out and improve this roster, then I don't know what it will take.

I love Bowen, still think he can do the job most nights. However if Dirk, Josh, Bonzi Wells or whoever are having their way with him on the defensive end and if he's clanging 3's or shooting 40% from the FT line on the other end, what good is he?

Finley is flat out worthless and in now way is he deserving of the "big" minutes Pop is giving him. Barry, still a fine shooter and smart player, is inconsistent. Both have the same defensive liabilities.

It's frustrating because it's so fucking obvious to most of us who want the Spurs to pull the trigger on the Maggette deal. Maggette is perhaps the most viable option available and you have a desparate trade partner (Clippers) as a bonus. We've already discussed Maggette's strengths and weaknesses ad nauseum. Bottom line is his skills set is what is lacking on this team from that position. Perhaps he can be had on the cheap, maybe not. Perhaps the Spurs are simply playing the "wait til the trade deadline" game.

Sorry folks, I can't stomach all the anti-Maggette talk anymore. If the Spurs were winning games they should win in the fashion we've become accustomed, I could see the point.

The Spurs are delusional if they think this team, the way it is constructed, the collective age of the players, and with its current deficiencies at the wing position, can contend with the likes of the Mavs and Suns. Which means they wont make it out of the West.

Manu_The _Best

01-06-2007, 09:31 AM

Are you freaking serious? :madrun

If NOT Maggette, the Spurs need someone to replace the OLD DONKEYS Finley, Horry and Vaughn...period...

SenorSpur

01-06-2007, 09:33 AM

If the Spurs lose out on Maggette, there is likely not another SF, with his skills, that can be had RIGHT NOW and with a team that is as desparate to make a deal.

VaSpursFan

01-06-2007, 09:55 AM

spurs need to pull the trigger now before beno and barry's stock drops further. they really can't wait on this one...because i don't see beno and barry playing any better in the future. barry overachieved for a period and is not back to earth and beno has done nothing the entire season. we need some youth and athleticism on this team for god sakes. maggette is the best option right now and would really help.

Mr. Body

01-06-2007, 01:21 PM

I don't think the deal was ever Barry + Udrih for Maggette. Probably there was a 2007 first round pick demanded, and we only heard LAC was receptive to any deal.

I was one talking against Maggette, and I still don't see him as any complete savior the way some were making out, but I was intrigued. Despite all the secondary costs of a guy like him, I think the Spurs have to do it. I don't think he's available for that and I don't think the Spurs should give up first round picks anymore, much less this year.

Spurs Dynasty 21

01-06-2007, 01:41 PM

Spurs need to look into this again

boutons_

01-06-2007, 02:32 PM

Mr. Body

01-06-2007, 02:40 PM

Maggette is 4.9 RB career, (he's no Boozer, Marion, Rodman, Hedo :lol )
AST/T0 < 1
29 MPG

He seems fragile, playing only 63 games/season in 7 seasons, missing 25% of the games.

Have people looked at his body and got stars in their eyes that he would really impact the Spurs TEAM defense+rebounding+motivation problems?

He's better than Bruce in scoring+RB, but not in defense.
So for whatever Maggette would add, does it offset what replacing Bruce would lose?

The value of Maggette wouldn't be losing Bruce. I don't see why Bruce gets replaced.

We're getting stars in our eyes for Maggette because he's actually athletic and it's been a while since we've seen an athlete in a Spurs' uniform. He'd also stand to fix two of our major problems - rebounding and free throw shooting. Also a third problem we usually have -- stagnant offenses. He'd give us another slasher.

The ostensible cost of Barry+Udrih is not bad, though I doubt that's all it would take, and we'd see at least one very important draft pick go out the window. There are numerous secondary costs (ego, no outside shooting, no defense, injury prone) on top of an expensive, three-year contract.

Hopefully there is another deal on the table other than this one, though I'm sure we'll get some Bostjan Nachbar player buried on the bench instead.

Kori Ellis

01-06-2007, 02:41 PM

boutons_

01-06-2007, 02:44 PM

"who can rebound"

but statistically, doesn't.

Kori Ellis

01-06-2007, 02:45 PM

"who can rebound"

but statistically, doesn't.

What are you talking about?

How can you say he doesn't rebound?

Name a 6'6 player that rebounds better over the last 4 seasons?

Bruno

01-06-2007, 03:38 PM

Another thing I like about Maggette is that he is a slasher and Spurs need some slashing at SG/SF.
Barry, Finley, Bowen are jumpshooter and Ginobili is less a slasher than before.
Manu only scored 0.4 less points per game than in 05 while he scored 2.1 less "slashing" points per game (FT+Dunk+Layups).

objective

01-06-2007, 03:40 PM

slashers are overrated.

Spurs need guys who can stand still and shoot set shots, and do nothing else.

Give me Finley, Steve Smith, Barry and Porter over some 'slasher' any day of the week.

Nikos

01-06-2007, 03:46 PM

Maggette is an awesome rebounder for an SG -- and even a decent one if put at SF. All the team needs a decent rebounder who can defend reasonably. Maggette has plenty of athleticism and strength to hold his own against ANYONE in the post. You think Josh Howard or Bonzi Wells will really post him up with ease? No chance. Maggette is stronger and just as athletic. Even if he is a horrible man defender against athletic players and subpar team defender it wouldn't even matter. His offense and rebounding more than makes up for that.

If Maggette was actually obtainable I would go for him in a second. He would cover up one of the biggest holes for the team.

Bruno

01-06-2007, 03:59 PM

Maggette is a good rebounder.
You had to consider that he will have better rebounding stats with Spurs than his carreer average because he will be the only good rebounder at PG/SG/SF (only Manu is a decent rebounder, other paleyrs are poor rebounders).

His worth rebounding year was in 2002 (5.7 rbd/40 min) but he played in a team with Brand, Richardson, Odom, Darius Miles and Olowakandi : 07' Spurs have way less good rebounders.

SenorSpur

01-06-2007, 04:20 PM

The value of Maggette wouldn't be losing Bruce. I don't see why Bruce gets replaced.

We're getting stars in our eyes for Maggette because he's actually athletic and it's been a while since we've seen an athlete in a Spurs' uniform. He'd also stand to fix two of our major problems - rebounding and free throw shooting. Also a third problem we usually have -- stagnant offenses. He'd give us another slasher.

The ostensible cost of Barry+Udrih is not bad, though I doubt that's all it would take, and we'd see at least one very important draft pick go out the window. There are numerous secondary costs (ego, no outside shooting, no defense, injury prone) on top of an expensive, three-year contract.

Hopefully there is another deal on the table other than this one, though I'm sure we'll get some Bostjan Nachbar player buried on the bench instead.

Welcome aboard Mr. Body. I've been waiting for you to join the "Maggette Brigade". I know you weren't totally against it, just cautious.

I don't think anyone thinks Maggette is a savior, yet he brings a skill set that the Spurs CLEARLY do not have - thanks to Pop and R.C. They have allowed this collection of players to age without any stop gap replacements and I blame this for the situation that exists - but I digress.

As for Maggette, he would be just that - a stopgap at the SG/SF position - not a long term answer. For now, he can help break down defenses, provide another scoring option and rebound the basketball. Let's get him in here.

Leetonidas

01-06-2007, 04:22 PM

After what I saw last night, I think the Spurs should pull the trigger if they can.

Bob Lanier

01-06-2007, 04:27 PM

Also a third problem we usually have -- stagnant offenses. He'd give us another slasher.
"Slashers" tend to create even more stagnant offenses than jumpshooters do, particularly slashers who force the issue and chuck up bad shots even when they're covered.

As before, I do believe that he would marginally improve the Spurs, however.

joeyjfive

01-06-2007, 04:32 PM

After what I saw last night, I think the Spurs should pull the trigger if they can.

I agree completely, Barry is too fucking slow to guard anyone moving faster than Tractor Traylor. Right now the Mavs seem to have our number, it would take something like this to give us that edge back.

objective

01-06-2007, 04:34 PM

Maggette might also impact the Spurs running game. That would be terrible to have another swingman getting out in transition.

VaSpursFan

01-06-2007, 04:39 PM

i know c maggs isn't the greatest defender but he's strong enough to hold his position in the post, bruce just bets bounced around and abused down there. and, he would actually be able to rebound. he's not ideal, but he's the best available option that can be had right now.

Aggie Hoopsfan

01-06-2007, 04:47 PM

"Slashers" tend to create even more stagnant offenses than jumpshooters do, particularly slashers who force the issue and chuck up bad shots even when they're covered.

As before, I do believe that he would marginally improve the Spurs, however.

He gets to the FT line as much as Tim Duncan. In a half court grind it out game that would help immensely.

You can't tell me after watching last night that Maggette getting to the line wouldn't be better than fadeaway jumpers by Finley.

regio

01-06-2007, 04:49 PM

BeerIsGood!

01-06-2007, 05:09 PM

SenorSpur

01-06-2007, 05:10 PM

Yet another team that is out of the Maggette sweepstakes.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/44085/20070106/nets_not_interested_in_maggette_and_mobley_deal/

New York Post report-
Nets' sources said that they were not interested in a trade involving Vince Carter to the Clippers for Corey Maggette and Cuttino Mobley.

Mr.Bottomtooth

01-06-2007, 05:45 PM

Who IS interested in Maggette besides the Spurs?

Bob Lanier

01-06-2007, 08:08 PM

Maggette isn't active tonight.

SilverPlayer

01-06-2007, 08:15 PM

Maggette isn't active tonight.

Hopefully that is good news for us but I highly doubt it knowing Pop.

SilverPlayer

01-06-2007, 08:25 PM

The Heat have offered Posey.

_The Clippers weren't interested in James Posey when the Heat inquired again about Corey Maggette... . Some players wondered why Posey and Antoine Walker were deactivated for conditioning issues, considering players received only a warning last season for the same issue. But those two players' history could be a factor - Pat Riley privately called out Walker and Posey for the same issue last January.

The nets weren't interested in Vince Carter for Mobley and Maggette

The Jazz and Kings apparently also have interest in him.

The Jazz's interest in Maggette is already on record, given that O'Connor negotiated the $7 million-a-year contract (which expires in 2009) he is playing under. The Clippers kept the guard by matching Utah's offer during the summer of 2003, but his combination of size (he's 6-foot-7), athleticism and shooting ability figure to interest Utah again. Of course, the Kings, Heat and other teams have reportedly inquired about Maggette's availability, too.

The Clippers seem to want to trade for a sharp shooter. I'll see if I can dig up any other teams

Bruno

01-06-2007, 08:27 PM

Maggette isn't active tonight.

He is out because of a sore left foot but it can too be a fake reason.

Mr. Body

01-06-2007, 08:32 PM

SilverPlayer

01-06-2007, 08:39 PM

There's no mention of Maggette's injury in the Yahoo preview, so maybe somethings up. Plus Cassell hasn't played even though that's whose place he took on the IR.

Bruno

01-06-2007, 08:42 PM

There's no mention of Maggette's injury in the Yahoo preview, so maybe somethings up. Plus Cassell hasn't played even though that's whose place he took on the IR.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers7jan07,1,2589257.story?coll=la-headlines-sports

Clippers trail Hawks at the half
Brand scores 15 points but Atlanta claims a 42-36 lead by holding Clippers to 42.4% shooting.
By Jason Reid, Times Staff Writer
5:05 PM PST, January 6, 2007

ATLANTA -- The Clippers again struggled early in a road game and trailed the Atlanta Hawks, 42-36, at halftime tonight at Philips Arena.

The Clippers shot only 42.4% from the field and trailed by 11 points in the second quarter. Elton Brand led the Clippers with 15 points and Chris Kaman had eight.

Guard Joe Johnson led the Hawks with 16 points. Atlanta make 40.5% of its field-goal attempts in the first half.

Corey Maggette sat out the game because of a sore left foot. Sam Cassell, sidelined the previous seven games because of a heel injury, returned to the lineup but did not play in the half.

SilverPlayer

01-06-2007, 08:44 PM

Yeah that was written at the half, which is why it makes me wonder. And I am reading way more into this than needs be.

Mr. Body

01-06-2007, 08:45 PM

What paper publishes halftime articles?

Bruno

01-06-2007, 08:53 PM

What paper publishes halftime articles?

Local newspaper that cover a team often do halftime articles. mysa.com do it for Spurs games.

SenorSpur

01-07-2007, 12:18 PM

I just had a pleasant thought.

Picture Tony leading the break with Elson sprinting ahead of the pack with Ginobili and Maggette on the wings.

Hope this dream comes to fruition!

twincam

01-07-2007, 01:37 PM

wildbill2u

01-07-2007, 01:46 PM

I just had a pleasant thought.

Picture Tony leading the break with Elson sprinting ahead of the pack with Ginobili and Maggette on the wings.

Hope this dream comes to fruition!
Of course this enticing fast break dream presupposes that someone will get a rebound--something that no one--including TD or our bigs like Elson or Oberto--seems able to do with consistency.

And if we go small, the rebound problems seem to get worse.

Has anyone suggested Finley and Beno as part of trade for Maggette? I'd rather get rid of Finley than Barry at this point.

AFBlue

01-07-2007, 01:47 PM

Why is it that I hear so much about the Corey Maggette guy? I looked up his stats, and saw that he's basically an average player. He's 27 years old, not exact 'young' as I assumed he was. So what makes this guy so special?

He's a better-than-average player when motivated. And he could be motivated if he were in a different situation. He's a good rebounder for his position (which fits a need) and because he's so good at drawing contact and getting to the free throw line, he can be a CONSISTENT scorer. At 27, he's 8 years younger than Barry.

Bottom Line: Maggette is potentially more productive than Barry, Finley, Udrih, and even Bonner. If the Spurs need to give up one, two, or even three of those players to get the deal done, they should make it happen.

Keep in mind, the Spurs still would have the expiring contract of Williams to fill the holes created by the multi-player trade if necesary.

AFBlue

01-07-2007, 01:49 PM

Of course this enticing fast break dream presupposes that someone will get a rebound--something that no one--including TD or our bigs like Elson or Oberto--seems able to do with consistency.

And if we go small, the rebound problems seem to get worse.

Has anyone suggested Finley and Beno as part of trade for Maggette? I'd rather get rid of Finley than Barry at this point.

I think everyone would prefer to give up Finley, but there's two problems. One, everyone else (including the clippers) knows he's washed up, and two, he doesn't make enough money to make the deal work...unless the Spurs give up the expiring contract of Williams as well (ill-advised, considering they can get two seperate pieces if they work their assets right)

wildbill2u

01-07-2007, 01:49 PM

Utah and Miami have inquired about him. I don't think the Miami package would be very attractive. Utah could do something like Giricek/Brewer, but as much as we've disliked Barry/Udrih lately, I'd take the SAS offer there.

It's hard to read, since on realgm. boards and elsewhere Maggette's value is overvalued by Clippers fans. They think they can get Mike Miller for him, or similar.
Feature story in the Dallas paper this morning on Utah as possible destination for Maggette. Said Sloan needs at least one more player to compete in the West and that Utah has tried to get Maggette before. :wakeup

twincam

01-07-2007, 01:51 PM

He's a better-than-average player when motivated. And he could be motivated if he were in a different situation. He's a good rebounder for his position (which fits a need) and because he's so good at drawing contact and getting to the free throw line, he can be a CONSISTENT scorer. At 27, he's 8 years younger than Barry.

Bottom Line: Maggette is potentially more productive than Barry, Finley, Udrih, and even Bonner. If the Spurs need to give up one, two, or even three of those players to get the deal done, they should make it happen.

Keep in mind, the Spurs still would have the expiring contract of Williams to fill the holes created by the multi-player trade if necesary.

I'll be sure to keep an eye on him in action. Is there a deadline for a trade to occur?

AFBlue

01-07-2007, 01:53 PM

I'll be sure to keep an eye on him in action. Is there a deadline for a trade to occur?

24 Feb I think, but don't quote me on it. I've got the month right, but the day is less of a sure thing.

SenorSpur

01-07-2007, 02:09 PM

Of course this enticing fast break dream presupposes that someone will get a rebound--something that no one--including TD or our bigs like Elson or Oberto--seems able to do with consistency.

And if we go small, the rebound problems seem to get worse.

Has anyone suggested Finley and Beno as part of trade for Maggette? I'd rather get rid of Finley than Barry at this point.

You had to squash my basketball wet dream. :sleep But you're exactly right.

I wonder if Pop will ever give up his "small ball" fantasies and go back to whatever it is the Spurs do best these days. Based on the last three games, I'm not sure what that is anymore.

SenorSpur

01-07-2007, 02:27 PM

Why is it that I hear so much about the Corey Maggette guy? I looked up his stats, and saw that he's basically an average player. He's 27 years old, not exact 'young' as I assumed he was. So what makes this guy so special?

Here's his vitals:

6'6", 228 lbs SG, 7th season from Duke

Career stats:
15 pts, 5 rebs, 2 ast

Twice in his career ('03 & 04) he topped the 20 pt plateau in scoring avg for the season.

Here's the deal with him:
He's a slashing-type of scorer. He strong, quick and very athletic and has great hops. He's a triple-threat type of scorer because can break his man down off the dribble, shoot over him or attack him on a post up. Oh and by the way, he is an excellent FT shooter - which means he wont fit in with this team. :spin He's not a great 3-pt shooter, but we have enough of those. His best work comes from the mid range areas and around the basket. He's not the greatest passer in the world either. Another specialty of his is that he CAN REBOUND THE BASKETBALL. For example, he had 11 rebs off the bench in a game versus the Heat last week.

He not a great defender. In fact, he could probably stand to develop better defensive footwork. However, he does possess enough size and strength to at least "man up" against the likes of a Bonzi, a Marion or a Vince Carter. He's got the tools and with the right technique and coaching that he is sure to get in S.A. he can be at least an average-to-good defender.

Another attractive element about him is that, as you pointed out, he is 27 years old Which means he's not a raw rookie (whom Pop hates) nor is he the grizzled, over-the-hill veteran whose career is clearly behind him (who Pop seemingly favors).

The bottom line is this dude has the athletic skill set that the Spurs have not had since SJax. He would represent a considerable upgrade at the 2-3 position and could come in and contribute immediately. Unless, of course, Pop decides he needs a new tenant in his famous "dog house".

ChumpDumper

01-07-2007, 02:30 PM

So what makes this guy so special?He's on another team.

SenorSpur

01-07-2007, 02:36 PM

If all they want is Brent Barry and Beno "useless" Udrih then I don't see what the hold-up is. Barry won't continue to hit at this pace and we can always continue to look to aquire a decent backup PG. Gonna need a change to match up well with the rest of the WEST

I worked the trade on REALGM. Here is a possible trade scenarios with the Clippers that seemingly work out salary wise.

Barry+Beno = Maggette+Daniel Ewing

I know some have mentioned the Spurs possibly acquiring James Singleton, whichi wouldn't be bad, except we all know Pop would never play this guy. Besides the Spurs already have one SF project in James White.

Personally, I believe if the Spurs part with Beno, they'd better get a backup PG in return.

ChumpDumper

01-07-2007, 02:43 PM

I know some have mentioned the Spurs possibly acquiring James Singleton, whichi wouldn't be bad, except we all know Pop would never play this guy.Why not?
Personally, I believe if the Spurs part with Beno, they'd better get a backup PG in return.Ewing is just another Dookie mini shooting guard.

AFBlue

01-07-2007, 02:45 PM

Personally, I believe if the Spurs part with Beno, they'd better get a backup PG in return.

For sure they'll need to get a PG if Beno goes, but it doesn't have to be in the Maggette trade. From what I read of Ewing, he's a solid defensive PG, but is an offensive liability. I think the Spurs already have that PG in Vaughn.

If the Spurs pulled off the rumored trade, they would still have Eric Williams' expiring $4M contract to bargain with. Possible available PG...

Watson, Boykins, Dooling (?). Two of the Three are offensively oriented and one has a comparitively large, long-term contract, but all three are possible upgrades over Vaughn and fill a need for the third PG in the least.

Mr. Body

01-07-2007, 02:47 PM

If the Spurs pulled off the rumored trade, they would still have Eric Williams' expiring $4M contract to bargain with. Possible available PG...

Eric Williams+Luis Scola's rights to Chicago for Chris Duhon+Viktor Khryapa?

Okay, I'm fucking dreaming.

But Chicago could use an inside scorer next year...

AFBlue

01-07-2007, 02:49 PM

Eric Williams+Luis Scola's rights to Chicago for Chris Duhon+Viktor Khryapa?

Okay, I'm fucking dreaming.

But Chicago could use an inside scorer next year...

I think Duhon is too important to what the Bulls do. They'd like to keep Gordon as a sixth-man, and I'm not sure Sefolosha as the starting SG is something they'd do. Still...it's a good thought. Duhon would be the perfect backup PG.

EDIT: Duhon is making backup PG money and could be the best backup PG in the league, but I think it might take Butler to get a deal done.

Mr. Body

01-07-2007, 02:52 PM

AFBlue

01-07-2007, 02:55 PM

I think they might have considered shopping Duhon earlier in the season when they were struggling, but Duhon has been better than Hinrich at times. He's a little pricey for a backup PG, but hey.

Yeah, it won't happen.

Honestly, I took a look at his salary, and it's not that bad. $3M/yr over the next three is comparative to Horry, Elson, Bonner, Finley and a bunch of other "backups" the Spurs have. I think you've got the "relatively plausible dream sceario" down.

Leetonidas

01-07-2007, 02:58 PM

I've been reading up on a couple of other boards and apparently the thought of the Spurs having Maggette scares Mav fans.

SenorSpur

01-07-2007, 02:58 PM

Honestly, I took a look at his salary, and it's not that bad. $3M/yr over the next three is comparative to Horry, Elson, Bonner, Finley and a bunch of other "backups" the Spurs have. I think you've got the "relatively plausible dream sceario" down.

Good thinking outside the box. Now if we just get Pop and R.C. to do start doing the same.

ChumpDumper

01-07-2007, 02:58 PM

Why would Chicago do this? They have a high lotto pick to fill their needs.

Big P

01-07-2007, 03:04 PM

If another player was going to be included in the Maggette trade, I would want Korolev over Ewing. The Clipps passed on extending his rookie contract & in Pops system he could be the kind of SF we need.

mountainballer

01-07-2007, 03:05 PM

Eric Williams+Luis Scola's rights to Chicago for Chris Duhon+Viktor Khryapa?

Okay, I'm fucking dreaming.

But Chicago could use an inside scorer next year...

we might get Khryapa and I'm a big fan of this idea (although I don't see Khryapa as an important part to solve the current problems, more as a possible future core player).
Duhon is not realistic for nothing. he is an important part of their team and he does it at a decent contract (3 million/year).
but I absolutly agree, he is the kind of player, I would love to see as our backup PG. maybe because he is the opposite to Beno in many ways.
(btw. did anybody ever mention that Duhon was still on the board when the Spurs picked Beno 2004? Bulls picked him no.39.
hell, Varejao was also there and Ariza. jesus we could have less of some problems, if we had used this pick different)

Mr.Bottomtooth

01-07-2007, 03:08 PM

I've been reading up on a couple of other boards and apparently the thought of the Spurs having Maggette scares Mav fans.
It should. :ihit

Mr. Body

01-07-2007, 03:11 PM

Why would Chicago do this? They have a high lotto pick to fill their needs.

They wouldn't. More because they'd lose their secondary PG. They'll get an inside post player high in the draft, but most likely a project. It wouldn't hurt to get an accomplished post guy on the bench.

ChumpDumper

01-07-2007, 03:16 PM

They wouldn't. More because they'd lose their secondary PG.Duhon starts for them.

Mr.Bottomtooth

01-07-2007, 03:20 PM

If the Maggette trade does go down, how long until it happens? It's been like 3 weeks already.

Crazy Ray

01-07-2007, 03:43 PM

The spurs have nothing to offer in trade but a bunch of aging retreads with no future.

timvp

01-07-2007, 03:44 PM

If the Maggette trade does go down, how long until it happens? It's been like 3 weeks already.

It'll happen the day it is agreed upon.

If Barry plays today, then the trade isn't complete.

Mr. Body

01-07-2007, 03:54 PM

Duhon starts for them.

I know. They start their secondary PG as their SG.

ducks

01-07-2007, 04:05 PM

I wonder if booner is playing today

ducks

01-07-2007, 04:06 PM

The spurs have nothing to offer in trade but a bunch of aging retreads with no future.
like you

Crazy Ray

01-07-2007, 04:14 PM

like you

Your mom said otherwise. She likes it deep. Damn deep. And I was happy to accomodate her. Six times last night.

Bob Lanier

01-07-2007, 04:39 PM

Oh, damn, son.

Spurs Dynasty 21

01-07-2007, 06:23 PM

reading the bashing on Maggette just proves how stupid so many of the posters on this site are

SilverPlayer

01-07-2007, 06:32 PM

reading the bashing on Maggette just proves how stupid so many of the posters on this site are

I think most of those doing the bashing are scared Mavs fans posing as Spurs fans.

AFBlue

01-07-2007, 06:45 PM

It'll happen the day it is agreed upon.

If Barry plays today, then the trade isn't complete.

Odds on it happening at all?

timvp

01-07-2007, 07:15 PM

Odds on it happening at all?

10%

Kori Ellis

01-07-2007, 07:20 PM

10%

1%

ChumpDumper

01-07-2007, 07:22 PM

So you're saying there's a....

Ah screw it.

Leetonidas

01-07-2007, 07:25 PM

So you're saying there's a....

Ah screw it.

http://images.art.com/images/-/Jim-Carrey---Dumb-Dumber--C10102378.jpeg

Chris Childs

01-07-2007, 07:27 PM

This is one of the reasons why the spurs should leave Mr. Maggette alone.....
http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/basketball/nba/img6985916.jpg

supaphly119

01-07-2007, 07:27 PM

rashard lewis during free agency, ftw!

DubMcDub

01-07-2007, 07:47 PM

I think most of those doing the bashing are scared Mavs fans posing as Spurs fans.

Yeah Mavs fans have an innate fear of Corey Maggette.

..... :lol :lol :lol :rolleyes

SilverPlayer

01-07-2007, 07:56 PM

Yeah Mavs fans have an innate fear of Corey Maggette.

..... :lol :lol :lol :rolleyes

If you don't think rebounds in a small ball lineup are a large part of the reason you guys keep beating us you aren't watching the games. Maggette is one of the best answers available to that problem in the league. You may not worry about him individually or on any other team, but there is a good chance he adds that extra dimension the Spurs need to beat Dallas night in and night out.

Mr. Body

01-07-2007, 08:28 PM

Marcus Bryant

01-07-2007, 11:05 PM

That no trade has happened already shouldn't dampen our enthusiasm for the possibilities. The Spurs are a cautious and conservative front office. It still stands that Maggette will be traded this year and there is not a wide or deep interest in his services.

Sure, but there should be some interest in SA. Here we go again, using up years of TD's career instead of going balls out to win titles today.

BERSERK

01-07-2007, 11:18 PM

AFBlue

01-08-2007, 09:43 AM

If we're not going to make any trades this year, the Spurs might as well get someone great in the offseason and bring in their overseas players. The thing I hate about these overseas players is that they use the Spurs as leverage so they can get a big pay day from their own foreign ball club especially since it was the Spurs that gave some credit to the player in the first place.

Getting someone "great" in the off-season will be a challenge because the Spurs are still over the cap and their picks are low. Basically that means they only have $5M to work with, which doesn't buy greatness, and though it's a deep draft, they pick too low to get a superstar "great" player via the draft that will contribute immediately.

With trades, the Spurs have the opportunity to package role players and get "great" contributors.

I still have hope though, that the Spurs can make trades during the season that improve their chances AND don't comprimise their ability to draft a difference-maker down the line. Anybody taken a look at long, athletic forwards or defensive-minded point guards yet?

Two Names:

Jeff Green, SF, Georgetown
Mario Chalmers, PG, Kansas

Mr. Body

01-08-2007, 10:14 AM

There may be a small glut of SFs on the market this summer, with Vince Carter leading the list (too expensive for us, obviously), down to Gerald Wallace, down to Andres Nocioni (RFA), down to Luke Walton.

We can also bring in our overseas talent. Hopefully the Scola situation is resolved. And I haven't advocated bringing over Mahinmi yet, but we might as well. It takes foreign players a year to integrate, it seems; plus the James White Experience is showing the NBDL looks promising.

With a crazy deep draft, as it now stands, there will be some seniors and slightly flawed players drop into the late first round, and I'm convinced this year there'll be at least one or two Monta Ellis/Gilbert Arenas overlooked scorers in the second round. In addition to the Jeff Green/Mario Chalmers type listed above, I'd love to pick up a Mario Boggan, the undersized PF from Oklahoma State, who could be a dynamite career guy off the bench. If we get Chicago's late 2nd, it might be hard to do, but we could couple our late 2nds and move up in that round.

As for the first, there are a few intriguing players hovering around that area as it stands now. If we need to tinker with the lineup or integrate a trade, I wouldn't mind the loss of some games if it makes us stronger this year; it would also improve our draft stock in a pivotal year.

Mr. Body

01-08-2007, 10:44 AM

It's from the 'vaunted' Hoopsworld, but hey, I believe parts of it...

Could Cory Maggette be the one more in Cleveland?

According to an NBA executive, the Los Angeles Clippers have recently defined exactly what they want in return for Corey Maggette. An executive who spoke recently with the Clippers noted they want a solid veteran player, a young player with potential, and a future first round draft pick in return for Maggette.

The Clippers apparently are in talks with at least three other teams.

Are the Cavs one of the three teams in the running?

The San Antonio Spurs and Miami Heat are clearly two of the three teams who inquired about the Clippers swingman who is averaging 15.2 points per game and 5.6 rebounds per game in his seventh year in the league.

One published report explained Spurs' team officials continue to speak with the Clippers about Maggette but remain hesitant about parting with both Brent Barry and Beno Udrih in a possible deal as well as their first round pick. The Heat apparently offered James Posey, Dorell Wright, and a future first round pick but talks have not progressed since the initial report came out last week.

This leaves Cavs General Manager Danny Ferry in an interesting position. Cleveland has as much a chance at acquiring Maggette now that trade talks have stalled between all parties involved and if Ferry can meet the trade requirement Los Angeles has put forth-a solid veteran, young player, and a future first round draft pick-Maggette could be Cleveland bound.

Ferry has options here and players to tinker with, namely David Wesley, Aleksandar Pavlovic, and a future first round pick.

The demand for a veteran player plus a young prospect sounds reasonable to me, but the first rounder does not. It sounds like the Clippers are trying to push the parties involved for someone to budge and offer it. Hopefully no one does - it's just too expensive and IMO in this scenario Maggette is not worth it. You have some good GMs here (giving Ferry the benefit of the doubt), and I seriously doubt the Spurs offer a first, and certainly not the 2007 first. I'm thinking none of these teams blinks. Cleveland is in a tough position here because a previous administration burned some first round picks with awful trades.

I also don't think Miami offered Dorrell Wright. That seems wild speculation to me. I also don't see Miami killing their valuable picks, either... and definitely not this year, as they're currently lottery bound.

If no one offers a first rounder, then it comes to a comparison of players offered. I don't see Wesley+Pavlovic over Barry+Udrih. This looks like the Clips trying to dig a pick out of somebody, but if I were the Spurs, the most I'd offer would be a second round pick.

EDIT: Wesley+Pavlovic doesn't remotely work salary-wise, so it'd have to be Damon Jones+Pavlovic, or something.

VaSpursFan

01-08-2007, 11:08 AM

part of me believes that CIA pop and the Spurs have us salivating over corey maggette when in actuality they're trying to land mo pete. i really hope i'm wrong...

that hoopsworld article is ridiculous :lol :lol :lol there is no way the heat would give up dorrel'l wright for c. magg. if they did, riley needs his head examined. clevelands offer of a solid veteran is david wesley??? you have got to be kidding me :downspin: :downspin: :downspin: do the writers over there know basketball or watch the games???? i dont' think wesely has played any minutes in close to a month :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy

Mr. Body

01-08-2007, 11:20 AM

You're right - the players offered are ridiculous, one way or the other. The takeaway is more that the Clippers seem to be trying to pry loose a first round draft pick somewhere. If they want a 2007 pick, they should go take a swim.

But it means they'll drag this out for a while until they see no one's biting.

VaSpursFan

01-08-2007, 11:23 AM

mountainballer

01-08-2007, 11:42 AM

There may be a small glut of SFs on the market this summer, with Vince Carter leading the list (too expensive for us, obviously), down to Gerald Wallace, down to Andres Nocioni (RFA), down to Luke Walton.

I love the idea of signing Wallace, who would be most of what Spurs need as their future SF. (long, athletic, still young, good defender). but I fear we won't get him for the MLE. not because he will get max offers, but he will get some more than MLE.
the chance to get Chapu is unfortunatly 0%, Bulls would match any MLE offer and Spurs can't offer more.

We can also bring in our overseas talent. Hopefully the Scola situation is resolved. And I haven't advocated bringing over Mahinmi yet, but we might as well. It takes foreign players a year to integrate, it seems; plus the James White Experience is showing the NBDL looks promising.

the only overseas option is Scola and it still would be a great chance, especially considering that Horry likely will retire. I hope last years price is still on the table (something like 3 years/10 millions) and that this time Spurs FO don't try to lowball him.
Mahinmi is still years away and from what I have seen in his few Euroleague minutes, I'm not that sure that he will ever be a NBA player.
Sanikidze doesn't even get small minutes with a bad team in Spain and Javtokas is a shadow of the last year.

With a crazy deep draft, as it now stands, there will be some seniors and slightly flawed players drop into the late first round, and I'm convinced this year there'll be at least one or two Monta Ellis/Gilbert Arenas overlooked scorers in the second round.

I always hoped that Rudy Fernandez will be there when Spurs pick, which seemed possible some weeks ago, but unfortunatly he is playing that great in his first Euroleague season, that meanwhile he is expected to be picked around no.15. if he continous to play like this (16.3 PPG in just 23 minutes, shooting a ridiculous 66% FG) he will move up to top 10.
maybe Marco belinelli will drop to the end of the 1st round. if he does, he would be a no brainer to pick IMO.

If no one offers a first rounder, then it comes to a comparison of players offered. I don't see Wesley+Pavlovic over Barry+Udrih. This looks like the Clips trying to dig a pick out of somebody, but if I were the Spurs, the most I'd offer would be a second round pick.

EDIT: Wesley+Pavlovic doesn't remotely work salary-wise, so it'd have to be Damon Jones+Pavlovic, or something.

the Cavs can't offer their 2007 pick, it goes to the Suns.
if true that the Jazz are in the run for Maggette they might be in the best position if Clippers focus on a 2007 first round pick.
Jazz 2007 pick will be a late one and the Jazz core is still so young, that they don't need the pick as much as some other teams, who desperatly need youth.(like we do)

if the Clippers are happy with a 2008 1st rounder it's something different. I would say give it to them if it lands us Maggette.

101A

01-08-2007, 11:50 AM

Sure, but there should be some interest in SA. Here we go again, using up years of TD's career instead of going balls out to win titles today.

This franchise must remain competitive (top 8-10 in the L) for it to sell seats in SA - the city won't support a rebuilding team, IMO; Championships are great, but if they mean the loss of a chance of competitiveness in the future, the Spurs, as a business, can't do it for the long term economic health of the club.

I don't know if that is why they are balking at this particular deal, however.

spurtime

01-08-2007, 11:51 AM

Mr. Body

01-08-2007, 11:56 AM

I've heard this a deep draft, but a 25-30 pick is still a crap shoot. Also, I always was under the impression that the team didn't like to commit money to late 1st round picks because of the fact that they rarely pan out. We still have three 2nd round picks even if we trade away our 1st rounder. I have a hard time believing that the pick is the thing holding this up.

I also have a hard time believing that if faced with the choice of Posey, Wright, and a 1st (probably a mid 1st rounder based on the Heat's record) vs. Barry, Beno, and a late 1st rounder, that they would choose our offer.

Well, I don't think that's what the Heat offered. Dorrell Wright has been playing too well to package for Maggette. The offer might have been Posey/Kapono or something involving Antoine Walker. And it's doubtful the Heat offered a first, either. They don't have a 2007 first round pick.

The Spurs might be seeing that their policy of throwing away first round picks has bitten them in the ass. Their bench is obviously old and pretty decrepit. Watching Isiah Thomas, of all people, get very good value late in the draft (David Lee, anyone?) hopefully has shown the Spurs the value of 1) drafting in the late first round, and 2) having good domestic scouting. Maybe, maybe not.

The Spurs, btw, only have 3 second rounders this year if Chicago is a top-9 team. Currently they are 10.

ChumpDumper

01-08-2007, 12:04 PM

I don't know if that is why they are balking at this particular deal, however.I'm sure the Spurs are debating whether Maggette is worth a first rounder and the 2008 plan. One or the other would be easier to swallow.

Bruno

01-08-2007, 12:42 PM

Maggette is listed as doubtfull for tonight game against Hornets.

Maggette injury can be a quite good news for Spurs because :
- Clippers are in the hunt for the playoffs : trading Maggette now will allow them to have a player that can play for the following games.
- Maggette trade value will drop : injuries have always been a concern about him and he is injured again.

These points are moot if :
- Maggette is back tonight or the game after.
- There is no timetable for Maggette return. I can't see Spurs (or another team) trading for an injured Maggette if his injury is complicate.

Mr. Body

01-08-2007, 12:45 PM

The Clippers' window for the playoffs is very small, it's true; they need to turn things around in a hurry. Waiting until the deadline may not work.

I doubt the severity of the injury to Maggette. By accounts, he injured his foot against Orlando and then played significant minutes for two more games after that. I personally think this is entirely related to his trade demands.

Geez, Buford. Just get it done.

rayray2k8

01-08-2007, 12:59 PM

Why the hell would the heat give up wright and a first round pick for just Maggette?? Something must be missing...

Mr. Body

01-08-2007, 12:59 PM

Why the hell would the heat give up wright and a first round pick for just Maggette?? Something must be missing...

It's hoopsworld. They're commonly moronic.

Marcus Bryant

01-08-2007, 01:47 PM

Don't worry. The Spurs will be able to surround Tim Duncan with the best possible talent...in 2015.

timvp

01-08-2007, 04:29 PM

I think it'd be dumb not to part with a first round pick for Maggette. This year's draft is deep, but the talent falls off at around 25 even if everyone expected to declares.

And the days of the Spurs plucking diamonds out of the rough late in the draft are over. The rest of the league has caught up to the Spurs in overseas scouting, making it a fair playing field. Under those circumstances, this front office has been horrible. Chris Carrawell over Michael Redd and Viktor Sanikidze over Trevor Ariza should tell you a lot.

Plus, think about it, if Maggette fell out of the sky into the Spurs' hands without losing any players, Barry would get DNP-CD's anyways. Beno is playing horrible. So the trade would basically be Corey Maggette and the Clippers taking on the contracts of Barry and Beno for a first round pick. How do you not do that trade?

The only way you don't is if you think the Spurs can draft a player better than Corey Maggette at their spot in the draft ... and the chances of that are less than 1%.

Get the deal done.

MannyIsGod

01-08-2007, 04:38 PM

I think that contrary to what we've heard, the clips want more than Barry/Beno + pick. Or they are at least holding out for more. I really can't see the Spurs holding off on the deal if it is there.

MannyIsGod

01-08-2007, 04:39 PM

Don't worry. The Spurs will be able to surround Tim Duncan with the best possible talent...in 2015.
Do you whine this much about everything or just about the Spurs? Everyone is annoyed with the front office, but you just post the same shit over and over again. We get the point.

Kori Ellis

01-08-2007, 05:11 PM

Carter rumors

The Nets have been sending out word they have no interest in trading Vince Carter, though I don't believe it. He's their leading scorer and he has an opt-out clause after this season, but he has been in a season-long funk with personal issues.

Rumors had the Nets talking with the staggering Clippers for the suddenly in-demand Corey Maggette. You wonder if a deal sending Maggette and Sam Cassell to New Jersey would re-energize the Nets and provide the Clippers with a deep threat, given their commitment to poor-shooting point guard Shaun Livingston.

It didn't help last week when Livingston, after being burned by Arenas, publicly wondered why he didn't have double-teaming help.

"We can't just keep leaving one guy on an island," he said. "Obviously, it's not working."

Hey, maybe you should try harder.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-070107smith,1,6038718.column?page=2&coll=cs-bulls-utility

AFBlue

01-08-2007, 05:26 PM

I think that contrary to what we've heard, the clips want more than Barry/Beno + pick. Or they are at least holding out for more. I really can't see the Spurs holding off on the deal if it is there.

I think you AND the published reports could be right. I think the Clippers were hoping for more than they got and weren't enamored with any deal on the table. I also think that the Spurs tried to play "hard to get" by pointing out the positives in Barry and Beno for what they'd be losing if the deal got done.

I'm pretty sure the Spurs are hoping Maggette's trade value continues to decline through injury or displayed malcontent to the media, that way the Clips have no choice but to take the best offer....probably the Spurs at this point.

Mr. Body

01-08-2007, 05:31 PM

Carter rumors -- is Cassell ever going to play again? LAC wipes a lot of salary off the books by trading for Vince Carter, since it's not clear he resigns with them, but I'm not absolutely sure NJN likes this trade. It adds two strong, demanding personalities to a relatively quiet team.

'Sides, the Nets need big guys, not more perimeter players.

Mr. Body

01-08-2007, 05:37 PM

I think that contrary to what we've heard, the clips want more than Barry/Beno + pick. Or they are at least holding out for more. I really can't see the Spurs holding off on the deal if it is there.

I think that's right. Clips have stated they want the veteran player, the young prospect, plus a first round pick. And they need shooters.

The Spurs don't want to give up their first round pick, I don't think. They've stated before they intend to try to move up using Scola or whatever else. Getting sub-lottery, even 20, could net them a guy like Corey Brewer this year, who could be an adrenaline shot.

So it's medium-stakes poker for these teams. The Clippers are probably floating these Vince Carter rumors themselves, to drive the costs up. Meanwhile the Spurs are looking nonchalant.

The Spurs played a good hand with Jackie Butler last year, gambling correctly that IT wouldn't match.

They've blown gambles elsewhere, as with Scola, which they've played somewhat poorly.

We'll see. I don't see LAC getting veteran+prospect+first rounder. They'll get two of those things. The first two.

SilverPlayer

01-08-2007, 06:10 PM

New Article by Don Harris

By Don Harris, News 4 WOAI

There's growing talk around the league that the Spurs want to make a few changes before the stretch run. The biggest rumor has the Spurs landing LA Clipper Corey Maggette.

Maggette's an athletic scorer who can rebound - exactly what some say the Spurs need.

Last year at this time, Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said the Spurs would stick with the team they had. This week I asked Pop the same question. The answer is pretty telling.

“While the year is progressing we will receive calls and make calls and talk to other teams. They'll tell us who they like on our team and we'll tell them who we like on their team, and sometimes trades are made - sometimes they aren't,” said Pop.

“We're perfectly willing to make changes if we think it's going to give us a better shot to win the championship. But all things being equal, in almost every year, as you guys know, we're probably not going to change anything.

So the big question is, “Who do the Spurs give up to get Maggette?” Speculation is that Beno Udrih and Brent Barry would be package together. What would you give up? Drop me an email: [email protected] and tell me what you think.
WOAI Linky (http://www.woai.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=53dfe011-7b04-49ae-837c-f97ff5bf223d)

Leetonidas

01-08-2007, 06:18 PM

It's odd Pop would phrase his response like that. They're up to something.

SilverPlayer

01-08-2007, 06:21 PM

It's Pop in full CIA mode. It's driving me crazy but it may be a hint that he isn't willing to give up the draft pick...or the trade is done...or that nothing is ever going to change. :bang :bang :bang

ChumpDumper

01-08-2007, 06:27 PM

Last year at this time, Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said the Spurs would stick with the team they had.Uh, Don -- don't you remember he was lying then?

Bruno

01-08-2007, 06:29 PM

It's odd Pop would phrase his response like that. They're up to something.

Like when he has said :
We won't make a move before the deadline and the day after, Malik was traded.
or
Finley will likely sign with Suns and few days later he signed with Spurs.

Marcus Bryant

01-08-2007, 06:47 PM

Do you whine this much about everything or just about the Spurs? Everyone is annoyed with the front office, but you just post the same shit over and over again. We get the point.

:yawn When you have a fresh take, that'll be your first.

MannyIsGod

01-08-2007, 07:57 PM

:yawn When you have a fresh take, that'll be your first.Your take that Holt was cheap lost its freshness 2 years ago and you've just been making the same post ever since then. Thats all I'm saying. Keep making the same post if you want.

Marcus Bryant

01-08-2007, 07:58 PM

So I was ahead of the curve. Isn't there a cold front to warn us about?

MannyIsGod

01-08-2007, 08:02 PM

So I was ahead of the curve. Isn't there a cold front to warn us about?Props for being ahead of the curve. Are you going to harp on it some more?

exstatic

01-08-2007, 08:10 PM

So I was ahead of the curve. Isn't there a cold front to warn us about?
Weather updates are in the club. Try to catch up.

LaMarcus Bryant

01-08-2007, 09:39 PM

marcusisowned

T Park

01-08-2007, 09:51 PM

pop saying a trade isn't going down doesn't mean shit.

Said the same thing the day before they acquired Nazr Mohammed.

Kori Ellis

01-09-2007, 01:02 AM

MannyIsGod

01-09-2007, 01:34 AM

ChumpDumper

01-09-2007, 01:37 AM

Considering the other names bandied about for Maggette, I don't see the problem. All a GM has to think is that a player will fit in his system. Zeke still took Malik after he let his man score because he pulled his shirt over his head.

If all Elgin is doing is looking for the best player, he'll keep Maggette.

Mr. Body

01-09-2007, 01:47 AM

I'm with Chump here. It all depends on the other offers the Clips get for Maggette. It seems like all the teams that are in have already made their offers and Baylor is trolling to get something more. There aren't any other teams likely to join the hunt (we have Miami, Utah, SAS, Toronto, possibly Cleveland... they're trying to get the Nets involved), so it's a matter of playing them off each other to get a first round pick out of someone. None of this has changed and my guess is no one is revising their offers about now.

Cassell is the real issue with LA. He's the engine that makes them good. He's back, hence they win tonight. If they're winning there's less concern for a trade and more time to wait for one of the listed teams to get desperate. Cassell puts them in a position of strength.

I've felt that, failing to get what they want, the Clips are best off waiting until summer to deal Maggs. To me that's the most likely scenario.

T Park

01-09-2007, 01:49 AM

Then the Spurs are screwed if that happens.

ChumpDumper

01-09-2007, 01:51 AM

Long time until Feb 22. There's no overbearing heat on anybody to trade at this point

T Park

01-09-2007, 01:52 AM

Other than maggette there is no one that fits what the Spurs need, that would be available.

No trades again.

Better hope Dallas gets knocked out in the first or second rounds.

ChumpDumper

01-09-2007, 01:53 AM

that would be availableSince I never heard of any trade the Spurs have made until it actually happened, I can't be sure of that.

Mr. Body

01-09-2007, 01:53 AM

I have to think the window has passed, too, though the Spurs can get it done by including their 2007 first rounder. Pop seems against giving up both bench ball-handlers, but I'm not terribly concerned about that. (Can't Ginobili simply playmake off the bench? Isn't Blaylock still available?) Some here are for it losing the first, I'm against. Tough call.

Kori Ellis

01-09-2007, 01:55 AM

Since I never heard of any trade the Spurs have made until it actually happened, I can't be sure of that.

That's my thought too. It's not like when they traded for anybody else in the past, we were all sitting here thinking about that particular player. So I'm sure there's a ton of trade options that the Spurs would consider that none of us are talking about.

That being said, I don't think they are out of the Maggette race either. (Though I am still skeptical about Maggette because of health)

Mr. Body

01-09-2007, 01:57 AM

There are some pretty bright minds in here (with lots of time on their hands). And a finite stock of players. It seems likely we could come up with the player if we wanted to.

ChumpDumper

01-09-2007, 01:59 AM

I get the feeling no one bit on Elgin's demand for a first rounder, and he's waiting for teams to get more desperate--and being only 2.5 games out of eighth place after dealing with multiple injuries, he not panicking yet either.

Mr. Body

01-09-2007, 02:02 AM

If someone bit on that first rounder demand, I think Maggette would be gone by now.

Question is who does it.

ChumpDumper

01-09-2007, 02:02 AM

There are some pretty bright minds in here (with lots of time on their hands). And a finite stock of players. It seems likely we could come up with the player if we wanted to.I've only guessed half a trade in my time here. I can't remember any others, though it's not from a lack of brainpower here.

ChumpDumper

01-09-2007, 02:07 AM

Sometimes it could depend on getting into other teams' trades:

I’ve been hearing all sorts of interesting things regarding the Hawks (and that $8 million in cap space) and the interest teams have in dealing with them or trying to enlist their help in getting a deal done.

The best one sent my way over the weekend: a three-team deal involving the Hawks, Portland and Washington. How does this one grab you. The Blazers send Jamaal Magloire to Washington, the Wizards send Brendan Haywood and Jarvis Hayes to the Hawks and the Hawks send Salim Stoudamire, Esteban Batista and Lorenzen Wright to the Blazers?

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/hawks/entries/2007/01/08/some_trade_scut.html?cxntfid=blogs_hawks

T Park

01-09-2007, 02:08 AM

Wish the Spurs could get in on that and get Brendan Haywood.

T Park

01-09-2007, 02:09 AM

If your washington, why would you trade Brendan Haywood and Jarvis Hayes for Jamaal Magloire!?!?!?

Id rather have Haywood.

ChumpDumper

01-09-2007, 02:15 AM

The Wiz might just want to get rid of Haywood's contract. That actually might give them some cap space next summer.

MannyIsGod

01-09-2007, 02:23 AM

The Wiz's coach hates Haywood.

ChumpDumper

01-09-2007, 03:01 AM

So does Etan Thomas.

Might even get the Wiz under the cap this summer.

mountainballer

01-09-2007, 03:56 AM

The Blazers send Jamaal Magloire to Washington, the Wizards send Brendan Haywood and Jarvis Hayes to the Hawks and the Hawks send Salim Stoudamire, Esteban Batista and Lorenzen Wright to the Blazers?[/b]

hey, the Hawks would finally get a SF!

timvp

01-09-2007, 04:17 AM

The longer this draws out, the more I believe the Spurs had a window to push hard for a deal and they missed it. Contrary to what some people believe, I think NBA scouts are human and recent success or recent disappointment from players they are interested in definitely sways their desire. I think the Spurs were either playing hard to get or were legitimately concerned with trading both Beno and Barry. Since the situation has evolved to where that trade looks far less palatable for the Clippers. Whats worse is that once you see the ugly side of a player when you're scrutinizing them closely, I don't think you forget that easily. So even if Beno and Barry catch fire, it isn't likely the Clippers will regard them as highly again.

Yeah, I don't think there is any way that Barry and Beno's play in the last couple weeks has hurt the Spurs' chances of landing Maggette. At the time this trade was first talked about, Barry was the hottest shooter in the NBA and Beno was the guy with unknown potential.

Now Barry is back to being the Barry the Spurs know all too well and Beno has just gotten worse and worse. If I'm the Clippers, I laugh at an offer of Barry, Beno and a first round draft pick. I'd rather keep an unhappy Maggette.

But to say that the Clippers' scouts are robots who only look at the big picture is a little naive. Of course they tuned in to see how well those two players were playing. And when they were the two worst players on the court in recent games, it had to make LA rethink the trade. Especially considering one of the key components of the trade is a 35-year-old swingman ... and that type of player at that age can be useful one day and the next day they can wake up and their career can be over.

I suppose anything is possible, but I think the 10% chance LJ posted earlier is by far too generous. And sadly, there aren't many players out there to trade for that can make the type of impact a player like Magette can make. If anything the Spurs are likely to pursue some average player who won't make a big impact.

I'd say 10% is close for right now. The Clippers are the type of team that would shoot down rumors in the media ... so that this rumor has swirled for a while and the Clippers have remained quiet, that's a little bit of a good sign. Plus Ludden isn't one to make things up and with Bonner's name coming up, that sounds like there are ongoing talks.

But yeah, there's 90% chance that another team steps up with a better offer or the Clippers decide to keep him and deal him at a later point.

venitian navigator

01-09-2007, 04:31 AM

The two deals of my dreams :

a) Barry + Bonner + second choices = Maggette (Beno is not of a big interest now that Cassell came back and playing good:; and he has another season of contract)

b) Udrih + E. Williams + Butler + second choices = Chandler (Chandler is overpaid 'cause he demostrated he's not a star - no offensive game at all - and is closing the chance of H. Armstrong emerging...but is a beast in defense and rebounding - and that's what we need).

AFBlue

01-09-2007, 06:04 AM

Long time until Feb 22. There's no overbearing heat on anybody to trade at this point

The "heat" builds with every malcontent comment in the press, every sub-par performance, and every DNP for nagging injuries. I'm sure the Clips would like to wait until the deadline b/c that's when GMs go in panic mode, but if he continues not to help this team and they keep losing, the Clippers FO might be forced to do something early. I guess only time will tell...

mountainballer

01-09-2007, 06:10 AM

Wish the Spurs could get in on that and get Brendan Haywood.

yes, we are somehow desperate, but not the most desperate team in the league.
compared to stone hand Haywood even Nazr would look like a superb ball handler.
yes Nazr, who has a compareable contract and is better than Haywood, but not good enough for the Spurs (for this kind of money) and who is - other than Haywood- not a completly moron.
btw. remember the fight of girly Brenda Haywood with Antonio Davis?

Mr. Body

01-10-2007, 09:17 PM

It might not be worth mentioning since the Maggette-Spurs saga is probably over, but Maggs is playing tonight vs. the T-Wolves and happens to be leading them with 13 points.

ChumpDumper

01-10-2007, 09:52 PM

It's never over until the trade deadline.

SenorSpur

01-10-2007, 10:29 PM

This team is LIFELESS. It desparately needs a spark. And with 9 players of 30 years of age (as the ESPN graphic indicated), this team also needs an infusion of a younger, quicker, more athletic player - DESPARATELY.

MI21

01-10-2007, 10:36 PM

I believe he made the game winning basket and finished with 21pts on 11/11 FT's tonight.

Not worth Brent and Beno though :lol

baseline bum

01-10-2007, 10:37 PM

Beno Udrih < Steve Smith

regio

01-11-2007, 07:31 PM

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/clippers/la-sp-clippers11jan11,1,3189774.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-clippe&ctrack=1&cset=true

MINNEAPOLIS — Is it too late for Corey Maggette and the Clippers to resolve their differences and stay together?

Reconciliation might be best for both sides, especially considering how Maggette performed Wednesday night in a 92-91 victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves in front of 14,223 at the Target Center.

In his most efficient performance of the season, Maggette scored 21 points off the bench and made a 17-foot jumper in the right corner to put the Clippers ahead with only 4.8 seconds remaining in the game.

Timberwolves All-Star power forward Kevin Garnett (19 points, 17 rebounds, four blocked shots) missed a 16-foot shot to the left of the foul line and Shaun Livingston grabbed the rebound as time expired, completing the Clippers' best outing on the road to this point.

The Clippers also got 21 points from Elton Brand and 18 points and five assists from Sam Cassell, which helped them to overcome the loss of center Chris Kaman, who scored 12 points but didn't play late in the game because of an ankle injury.

The Clippers (17-19) finished 3-3 on the 10-day trip but closed strong with victories against the New Orleans Hornets and Timberwolves (17-16), who had won four in a row.

After sitting out the previous two games because of a foot injury, Maggette provided the boost the Clippers needed to finally get a road victory over a team with a winning record that was at full strength.

Maggette's agent has requested that the Clippers trade the seven-year veteran, and the team has pursued potential deals. But sometimes breaking up isn't the right thing to do.

"All the speculation and all the trade talk aside, when Corey Maggette plays like that, that's our unit right there," Brand said. "Down the stretch, he played great minutes …. He's been so professional with all these rumors and all this talk.

"I don't make the decisions. I don't know how pressing the situation is, what's going on behind the scenes and if [a trade is] going to happen. But when he plays like that … work it out."
In 29 minutes, Maggette made five of 10 shots from the field, was 11 for 11 from the free-throw line and had eight rebounds and four assists. He scored the Clippers' final four points, making two free throws with 39.2 seconds left in the game and then the eventual game-winning jumper.

"I'm a Corey Maggette fan, so nothing he does surprises me," Cassell said. "Corey is a guy who rebounds the ball extremely well, attacks the basket well and makes shots. He's our all-purpose ballplayer.
"He's not even worried about starting. He knows he's going to get 14 to 15 attempts for us every night and play major minutes. You see the way he played tonight? Corey Maggette is a big part of our basketball team."

Coach Mike Dunleavy called a timeout after Trenton Hassell made a 17-foot jumper to put Minnesota ahead, 91-90, with 25.3 seconds to play. Dunleavy called a play that included several options, and Cuttino Mobley missed a shot in the lane and grabbed the rebound.

Mobley then lost the ball, Brand grabbed it on the baseline to the right of the basket and considered shooting until he heard Maggette's voice from behind him.

"I didn't know about the shot clock, so I was about to pull up myself and knock it down," Brand said. "Then I heard him. He said, 'E.B.! E.B.!' We've been playing together for a long time, so I'm accustomed to his voice. He knocked it down."

That's what he's supposed to do, Maggette said.

"My job is just to go out there and play and score," he said. "I wasn't expecting to hit the game-winner, but I was expecting to be productive for this team."

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After reading the article im starting to think he stays with them :depressed

boutons_

01-11-2007, 07:52 PM

Maybe he's not happy with the under-performing Clips, and wants a team that will at least make the playoffs.

rascal

01-11-2007, 10:03 PM

Would you think Pop would mix up chemistry like that? I think his main goal is to win a championship NOW. Mixing in a guly like Maggette will take time to adjust. Also, with the Spurs state of affairs Pop needs to worry about the teams current level of desire/intensity and how badly they want it. Maggette might help out in the future, but I don't think his addition will get us a 'ship this year.

Didn't Detroit trade for sheed in the mid season and win it that same year?

Not mixing in and taking time to adjust is over rated.

AFBlue

01-12-2007, 08:53 AM

Didn't Detroit trade for sheed in the mid season and win it that same year?

Not mixing in and taking time to adjust is over rated.

And the Spurs with Nazr in '05....a mid-season acquisition.

boutons_

01-12-2007, 08:55 AM

Sheed put Detroit over the top.
Nazr didn't have anywhere near the same impact
(how could he? sitting on bench in the 4th qtr?).

mountainballer

01-12-2007, 09:01 AM

the Wallace trade and the Nazr trade helped the teams to win the title.
the Wallace trade was crucial for Detroit's championship, the importance of the Nazr trade will never be possible to be evaluated.
but as far as I know, there is noone who ever claimed the trade had made the Spurs a worse team.
and considering the fact that the finals went 7 games, it have been some little things that decided between win or lose. having Nazr instead of Malik might have been that little, but still crucial effect.

venitian navigator

01-12-2007, 11:01 AM

You can't eveluate the trade just by the finals...but looking at all the regular season and play offs. In the regular season Zazr was so good to became the starting center oevr Rasho. In the play offs, Nazr was crucial against some teams (see Phoenix).

Strange Botwin

07-02-2008, 11:29 AM

bump

lebomb

07-02-2008, 11:35 AM

Why The Fuck Did You Bump This???

:rolleyes

xtremesteven33

07-02-2008, 11:36 AM

this scared the crap outta me!!!

Real Tomato Ketchup

07-02-2008, 11:36 AM

Why The Fuck Did You Bump This???

:rolleyes

My guess is for a response just like yours, well done. :rolleyes

mexicanjunior

07-02-2008, 11:39 AM

:lol

Nice one... :toast

td_tp_manu

07-02-2008, 11:40 AM

d*** it! I shouldn't reply to make this thread float but i just can't help!!!!!!!

timvp

07-02-2008, 11:57 AM

FWIW, I still can't believe the Spurs passed on the deal. I thought perhaps this scenario wasn't legit but recently Mike Dunleavy talked about how the Clippers tried repeatedly to trade for Beno including one trade that would have also brought over Barry.

I guess it worked out because the Spurs went on to win a championship but damn that was a no-brainer trade the Spurs turned down.

lefty

07-02-2008, 12:06 PM

timvp

07-02-2008, 12:08 PM

And yet we found a way to win the title that seasonDid you read what you quoted?

lefty

07-02-2008, 12:09 PM

Did you read what you quoted?

Yes I did.

timvp

07-02-2008, 12:16 PM

I guess it worked out because the Spurs went on to win a championship

And yet we found a way to win the title that season

:bking

lefty

07-02-2008, 12:18 PM

:bking

I saw that.

What's your point ??

If you think I was being sarcastic, I wasn't.

I just agreed with you

Obstructed_View

07-02-2008, 12:19 PM

Did you read what you quoted?

Yeah, but he quoted more than he read.

lefty

07-02-2008, 12:22 PM

Yeah, but he quoted more than he read.

And you just did what you said I did.

Read again

Obstructed_View

07-02-2008, 12:25 PM

And you just did what you said I did.

Read again

Where was I redundant was I redundant?

Kindergarten Cop

07-02-2008, 12:29 PM

Where was I redundant was I redundant?

:lmao

lefty

07-02-2008, 01:04 PM

Where was I redundant was I redundant?

You were redundant you were redundant.

angelbelow

07-02-2008, 01:27 PM

well barry was coming off a great season and beno showed a lot of promise. i dont regret not pulling the trigger then.

polandprzem

07-02-2008, 02:28 PM

Read what you quote ~!

wisnub

07-02-2008, 02:44 PM

Once upon a time Stephen Jackson didn't want to play a role or defend. This is why coaches are paid the big bucks.

When else could you get a guy who a couple seasons ago averaged 22 points, went to the line as much as David Robinson in his prime and averaged more rebounds than anyone on this team outside of Tim Duncan? He did all that as a shooting guard.

And he's still just 27 years old and only has a couple years left on his contract.

I agree... i JUST DONT UNDERSTAND OTHER PEOPLE LOGIC TO KEEP BARRY BENO OVER MAGETTE. keep 36 years old player and we dont need 27 years old player who average 22 points,good rebounder and can go to the line and make em... I think Barry averages way more points than his and much younger as well (sarcasm)

SPURS SHOULD SIGN AARP MEMBERSHIP, I HEARD BENEFITS ARE PREETY GOOD UP THERE IN CASE THEY RUN OUT STAMINA IN PLAYOFFS

Spurs doomsday...First Scola,Splitter...then Magette, who's next?

Mr.Bottomtooth

07-02-2008, 02:45 PM

I agree... i JUST DONT UNDERSTAND OTHER PEOPLE LOGIC TO KEEP BARRY BENO OVER MAGETTE. keep 36 years old player and we dont need 27 years old player who average 22 points,good rebounder and can go to the line and make em... I think Barry averages way more points than his and much younger as well (sarcasm)

SPURS SHOULD SIGN AARP MEMBERSHIP, I HEARD BENEFITS ARE PREETY GOOD UP THERE IN CASE THEY RUN OUT STAMINA IN PLAYOFFS

Spurs doomsday...First Scola,Splitter...then Magette, who's next?

You do know this is from 2 years ago, right?

wisnub

07-02-2008, 02:46 PM

Im Fuckin Scared Now..i Guess Its Going To Be More Strugle To Get Another Championship If Ever...

Mr.Bottomtooth

07-02-2008, 02:51 PM

I'll be here with the Kleenex.

Kindergarten Cop

07-02-2008, 02:58 PM

T Park

07-02-2008, 04:35 PM

Worst passed up on trade in Spurs history next to the passed up trade for Charles Barkley in 92.

ShoogarBear

07-02-2008, 06:47 PM

Read what you quote ~!

Just don't quote what you read.

Ocotillo

07-02-2008, 07:00 PM

Funny the article is from 2006 and it refers to the Spurs roster as aging.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Hopefully, this year proves to be a youth movement with the draftees, Ian and maybe Maggette.

IcemanCometh

07-02-2008, 07:35 PM

Admittedly we did win the championship

ShoogarBear

07-02-2008, 07:45 PM

Did we win the championship?

T Park

07-02-2008, 07:58 PM

Just don't quote what you read.

Bold talk for a one eyed bald man.

Biggems

07-02-2008, 09:15 PM

we passed up on a trade for Barkley in 92? details please....

i remember us passing on Moses Malone and picking up the Whopper instead.....nevermind Moses and Ice could have done some nice things for us in the 80s.....