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IceColdBrewski

01-05-2007, 02:26 PM

I hereby nominate this thread as the official 2006-2007 Pac 10 basketball thread. I petition that we (Pac 10 fans) henceforth adopt this thread for any and/or all future basketball talk of said conference. Reasons being:

1) The Pac 10 is the best basketball Conference in the NCAA this year, so this thread will serve as a constant reminder to all non-Pac 10 fans that they're in the presence of greatness.

2) It would really piss off all the Pac 10 haters we have on this forum to have this thread staring them in the face everytime they log on to the forum. :eyebrows

That being said, I'd like to open these discussion by telling Kori; your Bruins are goin down when my Wildcats come to town. http://www.gravy.be/forum/images/smilies/smiles/bitchslap.gif

johngateswhiteley

01-05-2007, 02:37 PM

Sweet thread! where was this idea for football season?

Billy Cobham

01-05-2007, 03:40 PM

The Ducks will beat UCLA on Saturday. And the Beavs will beat USC.

IceColdBrewski

01-06-2007, 12:42 PM

Tons of Pac 10 action today on FSPAC

UCLA @ Oregon at 2pm (Eastern)

USC @ Oregon St at 6pm

Arizona @ WSU at 10.

Looks like taking down the Christams lights might have to wait one more day. :D

samikeyp

01-06-2007, 01:12 PM

I am not a fan of the Pac-10 per se (which to most here, automatically makes me a hater) but I am a huge fan of college basketball and a stronger Pac-10 makes for a better March Madness. :tu

Beaverfuzz

01-06-2007, 02:08 PM

Oregon will not beat UCLA and OSU will most likely lose to USC. OSU hoops has been a mess since Gary Payton left in 89-90...ONE winning season since then (1 and out in the NIT).

IceColdBrewski

01-06-2007, 02:21 PM

Oregon will not beat UCLA and OSU will most likely lose to USC. OSU hoops has been a mess since Gary Payton left in 89-90...ONE winning season since then (1 and out in the NIT).

If WSU can give UCLA a run for their money, I'm sure Oregon can do the same. And you never know about USC. They might just...well, pull a USC and lose to OSU.

Beaverfuzz

01-06-2007, 03:16 PM

WSU is in it's own little world. Slowdown basketball from Dick and now his son Bennett. Oregon looking good so far, but UCLA will turn it up here in the next 10 minutes.

IceColdBrewski

01-06-2007, 05:12 PM

And UCLA goes down in the Pit. Someone should slap Ben Howland for for not scheduling some tough road games in December. Or ANY road games in December for that matter. His team would've been a lot better prepared for today.

JMarkJohns

01-06-2007, 08:35 PM

It was both a good and bad win for the Conference today. It hurts not having the nation's #1 ranked team. Still, it definately validates the Pac-10 as more than the "one-or-two teams, three in if we're lucky" conference that it has been the past three years. Top to bottom it's better. ASU and OSU aren't very good this year, but ASU certainly has a shot at a few upper-half finishes in the next four years with Sendek.

Like I said earlier...

Unquestioned: UCLA/Arizona
NCAA's ready: Oregon/Washington
NCAA's hopeful: USC/Washington State
Next year: California/Stanford
Hopefully soon: Oregon State/ASU

beaverfuzz, what's the word on Jay? Is his job status uncertain beyond this year? He's a fine coach, but he's not getting the quality of recruits it takes to compete year after year within the Pac-10. Even ASU landed Boetang off transfers and nabbed a borderline McDs AA in James Harden...

I hope he can get things together. Oregon has plenty of talent. He's going to have to do better at getting some. I hope he does so, because it would suck to be the only program not part of the upswing as every school mentioned has the young talent to be as strong the next few years as they are this year. Some teams, like an ASU or USC, even better.

Brutalis

01-06-2007, 09:35 PM

The Pac10 has basketball too?

Billy Cobham

01-06-2007, 10:02 PM

The Ducks will beat UCLA on Saturday.

:smokin

Beaverfuzz

01-07-2007, 12:52 AM

beaverfuzz, what's the word on Jay? Is his job status uncertain beyond this year? He's a fine coach, but he's not getting the quality of recruits it takes to compete year after year within the Pac-10. Even ASU landed Boetang off transfers and nabbed a borderline McDs AA in James Harden...

I hope he can get things together. Oregon has plenty of talent. He's going to have to do better at getting some. I hope he does so, because it would suck to be the only program not part of the upswing as every school mentioned has the young talent to be as strong the next few years as they are this year. Some teams, like an ASU or USC, even better.

This is year five of the Jay John era (year 3 on current contract) and has so far only produced one winning season, led by a walk-on son of a former NBA player (Maurice Luca's kid David). There's promise in the young back court, but I would hate to see the same team on the court next year minus Jeffers and Jones who are OSU's only inside presence.

The knock on the state of Oregon for football is that there's so little Div I-A talent graduating from high schools each and every year. That's not at all true for hoops, Kevin Love and Kyle Singler were two of the top 10 prospects in the country and neither gave OSU or UO much of a look in the recruiting process.

I say he gets one more year to bring in talent (has at least three schollies to give out) to at least put a good young starting five for next year. This year is going to be a long one however, maybe 2-4 in-conference victories.

Hell even Brent Barry came to play for OSU (and lost each year) so it can be done. Need some quality big men (which is supposed to be a Jay John trait) to have any chance at keeping his job for next year.

JMarkJohns

01-08-2007, 06:59 PM

Well, Jay got a good one today...

http://www.osubeavers.com/ViewArticl...&ATCLID=743162

CORVALLIS, Ore. – C.J. Giles has transferred to Oregon State and is joining the men’s basketball program, head coach Jay John announced today.

Giles, a 6-foot-11, 240-pound center originally from Seattle, is transferring from Kansas. He began classes at OSU today (the first day of winter quarter). He is not on scholarship at this point and is considered a walk-on.

He may practice with the Beavers immediately and take part in all other team-related activities, but won’t be eligible to play until after Dec. 8, 2007, due to NCAA transfer regulations. He will have a little less than two full seasons of eligibility at OSU, including two complete Pacific-10 Conference seasons.

He's a big-time talent. Loony, but maybe the change of scenery will him good. It's not like he's the only recent goofball at Kansas...

Arizona was big on him when he was in high school. I originally committed to Miami, then, when a certain assistant coach was fired and joined Kansas, he followed him.

Said assistant coach has been investigated for years for "benefit" packages. Hopefully this part of Giles' baggage was lost in transit!

tlongII

01-08-2007, 07:31 PM

John Jay, not Jay John.

JMarkJohns

01-08-2007, 07:57 PM

Yeah, I saw... It's too effin' close to my moniker :pctoss ... I originally said Jay, then added John to specify, then saw I placed it wrong and hoped no one would notice since it was said correctly in the article text beneath... oh well.

IceColdBrewski

01-11-2007, 06:35 PM

It's the best league in the country right now," ESPN analyst Doug Gottlieb says. "And I don't think it's even close.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...ll-cover_x.htm

Beaverfuzz

01-12-2007, 12:16 PM

John Jay, not Jay John.

Uh no, his name is JAY JOHN. How's Kent Ernie working out for Oregon, his adultries have been swept under the rug with this 14 or 15-1 start.

tlongII

01-12-2007, 01:47 PM

Uh no, his name is JAY JOHN. How's Kent Ernie working out for Oregon, his adultries have been swept under the rug with this 14 or 15-1 start.

My bad. He's such a lousy coach I can't even get his name straight.

Ernie Kent seems to be doing quite well right now, doesn't he? I don't particularly like him, but the Ducks have a helluva team this year.

FYI: I'm more of a Beaver fan than a Duck fan. I went to OSU my freshman year and my brother and sister are both OSU grads. I'm a PSU grad.

JMarkJohns

01-14-2007, 10:00 PM

Looks like Oregon is about to steal a win from Arizona at Arizona. Bad loss for the Wildcats. They had this one, but lost it in the final minutes. Brooks killed them late.

tlongII

01-14-2007, 11:58 PM

Looks like Oregon is about to steal a win from Arizona at Arizona. Bad loss for the Wildcats. They had this one, but lost it in the final minutes. Brooks killed them late.

I don't think the teams were ever seperated by more than 6 points so I wouldn't say "they had this one". It was a great game.

Horry For 3!

01-15-2007, 02:00 AM

Brooks is solid in the clutch for Oregon.

JMarkJohns

01-15-2007, 01:05 PM

I don't think the teams were ever seperated by more than 6 points so I wouldn't say "they had this one". It was a great game.

I believe they had a five point lead with just over two minutes. Arizona is pretty good at closing games out, or at least have been, so when that time came, I was confident. Brooks' three was a killer. I mean, damn... Both it and the eventual game-winner were incredably difficult shots and both went in off the bounce. Arizona's lone good Pac-10 win at Washington no longer looks that impressive. They are still #2 in RPI, but they really need to beat UCLA, Oregon and USC once each and going to Oregon and beating the Ducks is going to be a tall order.

RonMexico

01-15-2007, 07:56 PM

Pac-10 is dominant this year. ASU should be a lot better, but they keep losing close ones... especially ones at home. They played Oregon really tough and just hit a dry stretch late in the game to let OSU escape. As long as they don't pull an 0'fer in conference like A&M did 3 years ago, then I'll be happy. Those young guys are going to be good the next few years and Sendeck pulled in a couple of quality recruits from Cali.

With Duke and other ACC schools struggling, I'm close to saying the Pac-10 and Big-12 are the top 2 conferences (if not, then at least in the top 4 with Big East, ACC and maybe Big 10) in the nation right now.

JMarkJohns

01-15-2007, 08:04 PM

Pac-10 is tops (UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, Washington State, USC should all be ranked), followed by the SEC (Florida, Tennessee, Alabama, Arkansas... plus Kentucky), then the Big 12 (Kansas, A&M and Texas). ACC (NC, Clemson, Duke, VaTech) probably follows next, then Big East (top top bottom depth) and lastly Big-10 (Wisconsin and Ohio State). Them's the power conferences.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 12:23 AM

JMarkJohns

01-16-2007, 08:37 AM

Forgot about OK State. Maybe that bumps them up to the #2 conference overall, but Florida is the best team in the Nation and Tennessee can play with anyone any given game.

johngateswhiteley

01-16-2007, 12:54 PM

Forgot about OK State. Maybe that bumps them up to the #2 conference overall, but Florida is the best team in the Nation and Tennessee can play with anyone any given game.

you forgot about LSU as well. i'd have to say:

1. Pac-10
2. SEC
3. Big 12

...Big 12 is right there though, there a lot of good teams unranked that can hang. we'll see how it plays out as the year goes, i might put big 12 second later.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 04:40 PM

Forgot about OK State. Maybe that bumps them up to the #2 conference overall, but Florida is the best team in the Nation and Tennessee can play with anyone any given game.

Yeah, I want Chris Lofton to go to the Suns... P.S. Why didn't the Suns get Jason Kapono instead of Eric PiaDNP this summer? Then again, who knew Kapono would finally start acting like a man and hitting 3's. He played well against the Lakers again last night.

JMarkJohns

01-16-2007, 07:10 PM

Good catch on LSU as well. Knew there was someone missing.

JMarkJohns

01-20-2007, 09:09 PM

johngateswhiteley

01-20-2007, 09:17 PM

Ugh... Three in a row and four of five. With NC in Tucson on Saturday. Thankfully Arizona has ASU on Wendesday to likely keep this from being an even longer streak, but to stay in the top 25, they'll need win both games this week. It's possible. It's not like they have been blown out. They play bad and it's still good enough to compete. They need two good games. They can't overlook ASU for NC. ASU is going to be up for this game and Arizona, being down, is ripe for the picking.

tough stretch for 'zona, no doubt. but its not like they lost to bad teams, and as you mentioned, they weren't blown out or anything. currently SC is handling ASU...hopefully, they can get this conference win.

tlongII

01-20-2007, 11:40 PM

The Ducks got a nice win against Cal.

JMarkJohns

01-21-2007, 01:14 AM

Realistically six teams deserve to be in the "March Madness" discussion, with a seventh being possible.

For sure: UCLA, Oregon
More than likely: Arizona, Washington State, USC
Hopefuls: Stanford, Washington
Next year: California
Ever? Arizona State, Oregon State

Washington needs to go better than .500 the rest of the way to realistically have a chance as the seventh team in from the Pac. Stanford does as well, but they have played much better of late, so I believe they get in.

JMarkJohns

01-21-2007, 11:24 AM

I guess when Arizona has no depth and two of its starters are mired in shooting slumps, that when you have the #1 strength of schedule (http://www.kenpom.com/rpi.php), that one or two wins was a little unreasonable. They've basically been one or two shots away in every one of their losses of late. Even with all five, and sitting at 13-5 overall, 4-4 in the Pac-10, they still are #4 in the RPI (http://www.kenpom.com/rpi.php) on the season.

RealTimeRPI.com Confirms Kenpom Above (http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html)

Right now, I'd say Arizona is currently looking at a #4 seed with a chance to move as high as a #2 or fall as far as a #7. With home games still against teams like North Carolina, Washington State, Southern Cal and UCLA, there's a solid chance they can make up for this slide later in the year and closer to when the selection committee is really paying attention. The key is to only lose a total of two more games. I say at Oregon is likely one of them. That means they have to beat the teams they should (Stanford, Washington, California, Oregon State, Arizona State), then beat three of the following four of NC, Wazzu, USC and UCLA.

It's doable and if done, should net them as high as a #3 seed, considering their SOS and RPI. If they lose just one, then #2 isn't out of the question.

Beaverfuzz

01-21-2007, 12:13 PM

tlongII

01-21-2007, 01:14 PM

Stick a fork in OSU, ASU, and UW. UW is reeling, but they have a very young team that will make some noise in the next two years. OSU and ASU just don't support their basketball programs and it shows.

I remember the good ole days with Steve Johnson, Ray Blume, Mark Radford, Lester Connor, etc...

tlongII

01-25-2007, 02:18 PM

The Ducks will most likely lose tonight at UW. Aaron Brooks is suspended for tonight's game because of the elbow he threw during last year's Pac-10 tournament game against the Huskies. I don't think they can pull this game off without him.

MajorMike

01-25-2007, 02:27 PM

Is that why UW is favored by 4? I couldn't believe that but didn't know about Brooks.

tlongII

01-28-2007, 01:58 PM

Ducks with a big win last night at WSU!

SoCal Lakeshow

01-28-2007, 03:34 PM

UCLA :clap :clap :clap

johngateswhiteley

01-28-2007, 03:46 PM

UCLA :clap :clap :clap

sucks.

SoCal Lakeshow

01-28-2007, 03:53 PM

sucks.
:dizzy :dizzy

johngateswhiteley

01-28-2007, 03:57 PM

:dizzy :dizzy

whoa, take a breather......its true.

JMarkJohns

01-28-2007, 04:46 PM

As an Arizona fan, I'm going to pretend this thread doesn't exist :oops

Beaverfuzz

01-28-2007, 05:32 PM

As an Arizona fan, I'm going to pretend this thread doesn't exist :oops

As an Arizona fan, can you take back Jay John for me?

JMarkJohns

01-28-2007, 10:32 PM

Can he teach big men? If not, we already have enough who don't/won't/can't.

Arizona really has too much talent to suck the way they do right now. If they don't pull their heads out of the asses, it's going to be a tragedy that they've blown what could be Lute's last Final Four team. Next year will be loaded with talent from guard to center, but this year's team has the veterans that should take a team far into the tourney. Right now, these same veterans aren't playing up to their abilities and it's costing them both this year and potentially come 2008's recruiting class. Entering Pac-10 play, Arizona was in the top-3 for a dozen top-50 players. I'm scared to find out where they sit now after Saturday's nationally-televised bitch slapping.

tlongII

01-29-2007, 12:11 AM

HUGE win for Stanford over UCLA! It looks like the Pac-10 champ could have 4 or 5 losses this year.

Mr Dio

01-29-2007, 02:02 AM

This thread is a constant reminder of how much AZ SUCKS this yr!

Too bad, so sad. :smokin

MajorMike

01-29-2007, 09:08 AM

Oregon 7 2 0.778 19 2 0.905 19 2 0.905 0.6315 14
UCLA 7 2 0.778 18 2 0.900 17 2 0.895 0.6999 1
Washington St 6 3 0.667 17 4 0.810 17 4 0.810 0.6061 33
Stanford 6 3 0.667 14 5 0.737 14 5 0.737 0.6102 29
Southern California 6 3 0.667 16 6 0.727 16 6 0.727 0.5821 57
Arizona 5 4 0.556 14 6 0.700 14 6 0.700 0.6558 6
California 4 5 0.444 12 9 0.571 12 9 0.571 0.5794 60

This is last year's 50-60 at this time:

50 Vanderbilt 9.6 5.2 0.6486 0.5832 0.5614 42 (went 5-5 last 10 finished 72)
51 Nevada 13.2 4.2 0.7586 0.5822 0.5234 107 (won 14 in a row finished 19)
52 Washington 11.6 4.0 0.7436 0.5794 0.5247 102 (won last 8 reg season to finish 35)
53 Manhattan 12.2 4.4 0.7349 0.5779 0.5256 99 (mm)
54 Bradley 10.2 5.0 0.6711 0.5772 0.5459 64 (mm)
55 Iona 16.2 4.4 0.7864 0.5726 0.5014 156 (mm)
56 VCU 12.4 3.0 0.8052 0.5722 0.4946 169 (mm)
57 Iowa State 10.8 8.6 0.5567 0.5720 0.5771 25 (2-8 last 10 finished 93)
58 Virginia 8.0 6.4 0.5556 0.5695 0.5741 29 (4-6 last 10 finished 79)
59 Clemson 11.0 6.6 0.6250 0.5694 0.5508 59 (4-6 last 10 finished 77)
60 Western Kentucky 13.4 4.6 0.7444 0.5693 0.5109 136 (mm)
61 Kansas 10.6 6.4 0.6235 0.5688 0.5506 60 (won 15 of 16 finished 20)
62 Alabama 7.6 8.0 0.4872 0.5687 0.5958 13 (6-4 finished 57)
63 Arkansas 10.4 5.2 0.6667 0.5683 0.5355 80 (8 of 11 to finish 45)
64 Louisville 9.6 6.6 0.5926 0.5681 0.5600 44 (4-5 finished 71)
65 Houston 10.4 5.2 0.6667 0.5679 0.5350 83 (10 of 13 finished 54 - didn't get in)
66 Akron 13.8 2.8 0.8313 0.5669 0.4788 198 (mm)
67 California 9.6 5.2 0.6486 0.5656 0.5379 74 (10 of 13, P10 finals, finished 52)
68 Montana 13.6 2.6 0.8395 0.5654 0.4740 215 (mm)
69 Miami-Florida 9.6 7.2 0.5714 0.5651 0.5630 40
70 Louisiana Tech 12.6 4.6 0.7326 0.5643 0.5083 141

The best way to parallel it is to show how others did at this time. See the teams that won a ton in a row; those teams shot up the RPI and got in the tourney.
- Virginia and Clemson, both from the #1 RPI conf, both went 4-6 their last 10 and fell out of the tourney.
- Vandy, from the #2 RPI conf, went 5-5 and fell out.
- Bama, from the #2 RPI conf, finished 6-4 and #57 RPI. They, along with Seton Hall, were considered the last 2 teams in.
- Seton Hall went the back route, falling from a top 25 RPI, losing 5 of 8 including a 1st round exit of the BE tourney.

SC currently sits at #57. P10 is the #3 RPI conf. They are currently 2-1 last 12/1-0 last 10. In my eyes, according to the #s, they must go 5-4 from this point on to make it. They will not get in if they go 4-5.

They have 5 road games (UCLA, Zona, Wazzu, Az St, UW). We know they will win at Az St and Ore St at home, and you must imagine they beat Cal at home. They also have Ore and Stanf at home. Zona may be self destructing, so that win will be key. Right now, I would say they lose @ UCLA and Wazzu, plus Ore at home; 1-3. They win AzSt/OreSt/Cal; 4-3. That leaves to games to win from @ Zona, @ UW, Stanf.

RonMexico

01-30-2007, 03:09 AM

Question is - will Az State ever win a conference game this year? Funny thing is - everyone makes the Pac-10 tournament so they'd only have to win 3 straight... haha

MajorMike

01-30-2007, 09:20 AM

Teams doing that are the enemy of teams like USC and KState - the ones fighting to get in. Say Butler's conf sucks, but Butler is in for sure because they have been in Top 20 all year. Then Butler goes and ests and takes it easy for the Conf tourney, knowing they are already a lock for the Dance, and some crap team knocks them off to get in.

Beaverfuzz

01-30-2007, 10:56 AM

Question is - will Az State ever win a conference game this year? Funny thing is - everyone makes the Pac-10 tournament so they'd only have to win 3 straight... haha

Actually the 9/10 schools have to win four, as 9/10 play each other first. Maybe it'll be OSU's third "conference" win, all against ASU? :lol

MajorMike

01-30-2007, 11:04 AM

Incorrect. If that were true, then you would still have 9 teams left. 7 plays 10 and 8 plays 9 to narrow the field to 8.

JMarkJohns

02-01-2007, 11:21 PM

I can't believe how bad Arizona has been of late. It's not like their early schedule was filled with cupcakes. They beat several ranked teams en route to a #5 ranking and racked up a top-3 strength of schedule and I believe the top overall non-conference strenth of schedule.

They have plenty of ranked teams left to play, which is either a blessing or a curse, depending on how you view the Wildcats prospects. If they can get things turned around and beat either Oregon (road) or sweep their SoCal series (Home) then they will make the tournament. If they lose all three or only beat USC, then they'll need to make the Pac-10 Tournament Title Game to make the NCAA tournament.

Beaverfuzz

02-01-2007, 11:29 PM

Incorrect. If that were true, then you would still have 9 teams left. 7 plays 10 and 8 plays 9 to narrow the field to 8.

That is correct.

MajorMike

02-02-2007, 10:18 AM

Wow Zona tanks again... at home. That team has completely imploded.

tlongII

02-02-2007, 10:42 AM

Ducks got worked by UCLA last night. It was a must-win game for the Bruins though.

JMarkJohns

02-03-2007, 05:35 PM

It's against a piss-poor Washington team, but a 30-point win was very nice to see today from the 'cats! Hopefully they can follow it up with another blowout come Thursday and then compete at Oregon on Saturday. They need to beat Oregon or UCLA to prove their metal to the selection committee. UCLA will be at home, but Oregon is more their tempo, so it's my pick for the upset. If they win both, they can still get a top-5 seed, but that's probably homerism on my part to even think it. They need two of the three twixt @ Oregon, vs. UCLA and vs. USC.

JMarkJohns

02-11-2007, 12:17 PM

Arizona has now won three in a row thanks to a come-from-behind win last night at Oregon! That's easily their best win all year and they have several very good wins. They need to win the games they are supposed to (at Cal, at ASU0, beat two of the following three vs. USC, vs. UCLA and at Stanford and then win at least one or two games in the Pac-10 tourney. If they do and are competative in their losses, then they stand a chance at a top-5 seed. I'd love for them to sweep the LA schools at home this week. It's unlikely, but it's certainly possible. Hopefully this win has raised their confidense. They barely lost to USC and UCLA on the road. Hopefully they remember that and win.