The Spurs To Shake Things Up

[___Fullmo___]

The problem with the Spurs is that they are just not as good as Dallas.

Their defense is not as good.

Their offense is not as good.

Duncan is declining, there is no arguing that.

Pop is outcoached by AJ and Cuban is a mastermind.

Basically, Dallas > SA

Sa needs a trade but in the end will it make THAT much of a difference?

[Streakyshooter08]

The only thing that bothers me is that everytime there were big articles about the Spurs making a trade, it almost never happend. The most trades came out of nowhere. I really hope this changes this time. I would really like this trade and I hope it goes down asap...

A cool thing is that I will be able to watch the game tonight an tomorrow is my birthday, so I hope the Spurs win and get "me" Maggette as a birthday present... ;) :)

[ChumpDumper]

btw - the mass beno bitching is alowed because ....

http://www.nba.com/media/dleague/hayes_180_060117.jpg

[___Fullmo___]

http://www.nba.com/media/dleague/hayes_180_060117.jpg
theres a reason hes where hes at....

[ChumpDumper]

Sa needs a trade but in the end will it make THAT much of a difference?So they don't need a trade.

[ChumpDumper]

theres a reason hes where hes at....You mean Houston?

Sure, he's a good rebounder.

[___Fullmo___]

So they don't need a trade.
exactly

a trade is only good for a few more wins in the regular season and false hope.

[ChumpDumper]

Well I'm glad you set that straight. You can go now.

[Kori Ellis]

exactly

a trade is only good for a few more wins in the regular season and false hope.

Stop trolling.

Thanks.

[___Fullmo___]

Well I'm glad you set that straight. You can go now.
come on doll, i just wanna chat hoops with you.

[ChumpDumper]

come on doll, i just wanna chat hoops with you.Nah.

[Bruno]

speculation :
They have signed Luke Jackson for the monday game against Hornets : with injured players and players not ready to play because of a trade, they will be shorthanded for this game.

[___Fullmo___]

W-90-85
W-95-92
L-97-91

The Mavs are just slightly better than SA and if SA does make a trade, unless its for an All Star, they will still lose in the playoffs.

[Bruno]

A cool thing is that I will be able to watch the game tonight an tomorrow is my birthday, so I hope the Spurs win and get "me" Maggette as a birthday present... ;) :)

Alles Gute zum Geburtstag. :)

[timvp]

speculation :
They have signed Luke Jackson for the monday game against Hornets : with injured players and players not ready to play because of a trade, they will be shorthanded for this game.

Makes sense.

That's why Bruno gets paid the big bucks.

:hat


P.S.

And if you are going to trade Maggette and Singleton, signing a swingman instead of a guard would make sense.

[ata]

The only shake-up Spurs need, is firing Pop.

[dg7md]

Bring on Maggette!

[Bruno]

If we can Singleton too, it will be a dream trade. To me, he is one of the best candidate for the famous long 3.
Even if we can't get Maggette, I'd like to get him.

[polandprzem]

Well Luke Jackson was realy good but I think his time has passed. we need some fresh blood. Luke is 66 right now :rolleyes

[SCdac]

If the Spurs ever landed Maggette, that would be sick. He would be pretty helpful to this aging Spurs team. Hell, I'd even consider having him replace Bowen in the starting lineup (transitionally of course). I'm sure that's outrageous to some, but I think it would make the Spurs much tougher to contain, and in turn, tougher to beat. It would be a sort of "help Maggette help the Spurs" move. I'm sure he's leaving LA because he wants to start, or at the very least wants starter minutes. Why not give it to him? Something like: Elson (C), Duncan (PF), Maggette (SF), Ginobili (SG), Parker (PG), Bowen (6th Man)... As much as Bowen is a premier defender, he's offense is not very great. The top notch players that guard him for his 30 mpg don't exactly have much to guard. It's 4 on 5 out there. He isn't really getting any younger either. Who knows, a role as a defensive specialist off the bench could maximize his talent, while not wearing him out. If he came off the bench, it'd be a big contrast to Fin and Barry coming off the bench. Instead of the defense sacrificing, it would improve for once.

[JPB]

Duncan is declining, there is no arguing that.


There's something I can't get in all the "duncan declining" posts/issue.

6 months ago, the guy was a monster against in the mavs series, playing MVP like and then 1st of january 2007, at 30, he would be declining, too old, have nothing left ? :(

can you really imagine that type of player, any player, could decline that fast ?

he may have problems/concerns and get rough a hard phase but declining ??

Take some perspective, duncan has still plenty to give and will be decisive in the future. I can put all my bookie cash on it.

Well, maybe I'll save 5 or 10 $ just in case ;)

[Spurs Brazil]

Let's wait and see if Brent will play today :hat

[SenorSpur]

If you are the Spurs, do you trade Bonner and Barry for Maggette with no Bonner replacement on the horizon?

Hell no. They can have Barry and Udrih or whatever. If I'm the Spurs, I DO NOT part with Bonner.

[SenorSpur]

Well I think that's also why so many of us were pissed when Dirk had 4 fouls or so and had to guard Duncan, and instead of TD trying to get Dirk his 4th and 5th foul, just kept throwing up weak shit time and time again.

It's almost sad when Dirk arguably guarded TD better than TD guarded Dirk

I think SA needs to exploit Dirk's defensive weakness much like you can with the excellent-yet foul prone Amare Stoudemire

That is something that you shouldn't need to coach. A player should know that. If not, then Pop is a dumb-ass for not imploring Duncan to go for the "kill shot" foul to get Dirk out of the game.

[SenorSpur]

Actually, a throw in I'd actually like is James Singleton. He's a 6-foot-8, 230 pound small forward who can jump out of the gym. He can rebound and defend. Doesn't have much of a jumper but he's a hustle guy who can fly.

Barry and Beno for Maggette and Singleton would be the trade of the decade. The Spurs would go from an aging team to a highly athletic team in one trade.

And if you want to pull out your tin hats, Singleton didn't play against the Hawks despite playing in 5 of their last 6 games. And that was with Maggette and Cassell out of the lineup.

Interesting.

:smokin

Never heard of him, but he sounds very tempting. That would be a great trade.

Originally, I was thinking that, assuming the Spurs part with Beno, they would want to get a backup PG in return - a la Daniel Ewing, perhaps.

[exstatic]

He turned him from a dude who dunked, to a stud, close to, all star.

Engelland is a hell of a shooting coach, evidenced by Parker, and Maggette.

Of course his FT shooting coaching hasn't caught on yet.

Hes improved Oberto some as well.
Maggette is shooting .118 from downtown this year.

[Bruno]

Hell, I'd even consider having him replace Bowen in the starting lineup

I rather benched Manu than Bruce.
Bruce need to start to defend on the best opposite swingman.

[SenorSpur]

Maggette is shooting .118 from downtown this year.

The Spurs aren't interested in him for his 3-pt shooting. They have more than enough of that.

[boutons_]

"imagine that type of player, any player, could decline that fast ?"

We aren't talking only about physical decline. Tim can do now, and for a couple more years, what he did last playoffs.

I think his problems, this year, are primarily mental, not physical, like PF or sprained ankles or age.

Not attentive, not aggressive, not competitive, and its affecting those qualities for the team overall. Defense is off, rebounding (aka desire) is off. As in the Dallas game, when the Spurs do get the defense and rebounding up to par, they can't maintain it for 48 minutes.

[1Parker1]

Wow, Spurs actually realizing that they won't be winning anything with their current team? I like the new plans the Spurs have. However, am I the only one that would prefer to have Finley over Barry as the 3rd man? Reason is, I think it would be more beneficial for the SPurs in the long run to get Finley going and out of his slump. Not only because his defense, but Barry has shown that he often disappears in big games. Finley played really well for us in the playoffs last year and I think if he gets his shot going, that'll open the floor up for everyone else.

[Leetonidas]

"The Spurs continue to pursue trade possibilities. Friday's loss also further exposed the difficulties the Spurs have in matching up with the Mavericks, given their lack of athleticism at some positions." San Antonio Express-News

"(Spurs) team officials continue to speak with the Clippers about swingman Corey Maggette. The Spurs have been hesitant about parting with both Barry and Udrih in a possible deal, but that could change." San Antonio Express-News

"Matt Bonner's name also has come up in talks with the Clippers." San Antonio Express-News

"Like everybody else, the Spurs have spoken to the Clippers about Corey Maggette, and to illustrate how far Maggette has slipped in everyone's mind, San Antonio is reluctant to part with 35-year-old Brent Barry in the deal, because Brent's hitting nearly 50 percent of his 3's this year." Newark Star-Ledger

"The Clippers, according to a Western Conference official, are in talks with at least three other teams, and might not feel as pressured to move Maggette given that they also have fielded offers for Cuttino Mobley." San Antonio Express-News

"The Spurs have inquired about Toronto forward Morris Peterson, but those conversations haven't yielded much." San Antonio Express-News

Spurs trying to go after Mo Pete too?

[SenorSpur]

Wow, Spurs actually realizing that they won't be winning anything with their current team? I like the new plans the Spurs have. However, am I the only one that would prefer to have Finley over Barry as the 3rd man? Reason is, I think it would be more beneficial for the SPurs in the long run to get Finley going and out of his slump. Not only because his defense, but Barry has shown that he often disappears in big games. Finley played really well for us in the playoffs last year and I think if he gets his shot going, that'll open the floor up for everyone else.

Sorry to burst your bubble. Finley's not in a slump. This is what he has become. It is who he is. As several of my Mavs friends have too often informed me, Finley will have 1 good game about every 10 games or so. There's no such thing as a season long slump. He's neither clutch or crucial. He's simply an inconsistent shooter, who has occasional flashes of his former self.

Granted, he did have a fine series versus the Mavs. He was a very motivated player. That was the Finley of 7 years ago. However you have to ask yourself, why doesn't he play that way all the time? I'll tell you why. Because he can't.

His game is SOLELY predicated on his ability to hit jump shots. When his shot is falling,he's a much livelier player. If his shot isn't falling, his presence on the court is useless. He's not a gifted defender, but can when inspired. He's not a terribly good rebounder. He doesn't break down defenses, cannot create his own shot and has a terrible handle. Whether it be age, tendinitis, diminished skills or all of the above, he cannot be depended upon as a key component of the Spurs championship desires.

In no way is this an endorsement for Barry, who is just as inconsistent and passive in his own right. Let's hope the Spurs ship him out to the good ship "Clipper".

If the Spurs do somehow obtain Maggette, that would solve the Finley dilemma because his minutes should decrease dramatically - and that would be a good thing.

[1Parker1]

I'm not saying Finley is great, I'm just saying if I had a choice between him and Barry, I'd pick Finley. When Barry's shot isn't falling, he usually doesn't do much of anything else either. He's not a good rebounder, his defense is atrocious, he has no mid-range shot even if his shots are falling. He's a better passer but that's about it.

[SenorSpur]

I'm not saying Finley is great, I'm just saying if I had a choice between him and Barry, I'd pick Finley. When Barry's shot isn't falling, he usually doesn't do much of anything else either. He's not a good rebounder, his defense is atrocious, he has no mid-range shot even if his shots are falling. He's a better passer but that's about it.

Understand. I just think they're two dogs with very similar fleas. The mere fact that inquiries are being made and trade possibilities are being discussed that include Barry should tell you his value is around the league.

I seriously doubt there are any teams interested in trading for Finley or having him included as part of any trade packages.

[1Parker1]

Spurs don't need to trade Finley, that's why there's no interest. Cuban is basically paying for him to be on our team. Salary-wise he'd be hard to match.

[JPB]

"imagine that type of player, any player, could decline that fast ?"

We aren't talking only about physical decline. Tim can do now, and for a couple more years, what he did last playoffs.

I think his problems, this year, are primarily mental, not physical, like PF or sprained ankles or age.

Not attentive, not aggressive, not competitive, and its affecting those qualities for the team overall. Defense is off, rebounding (aka desire) is off. As in the Dallas game, when the Spurs do get the defense and rebounding up to par, they can't maintain it for 48 minutes.

from what I've read over here some people think not only that he's lacking some will but that he's done and are almost giving up on him.

If it's about agressiveness so you can't talk about "decline". This is something that can be fixed.

Every player can go through hard times sometimes, for many reasons. They're human.

Sooner than later, Tim is gonna get going again. It's a question of time. Never underestimate the heart of a champion.

[peskypesky]

The only shake-up Spurs need, is firing Pop.

Word.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Looks like its time to Shake The Crime Stick!!!!!

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[da_suns_fan__]

Woo hoo! Spurs are going to get Maggette!!!


:drunk :drunk :drunk :drunk :drunk :drunk

In other news:

Lakers are gettin KG.

So are the Kings (KG).

[Streakyshooter08]

Alles Gute zum Geburtstag. :)


Danke. :) Actually I have on Jan 8th, so the Spurs are playing while it is 0.00 in Germany. I hope they win... :)

[pkulonghorn]

finley/beno straight up for vince young. you know that guy could play in the nba. :madrun

[Borosai]

It's about time...I knew the Spurs were lurkers at SpursTalk. Let's see what they actually do with this newly found wisdom.

[Slomo]

As in the Dallas game, when the Spurs do get the defense and rebounding up to par, they can't maintain it for 48 minutes.

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[angel_luv]

Wow- it took me almost an hour to read all the way through this thread.
(I was distracted a bit by the Toronto game. They're beating Washington by ten with 4:15 left in the third. :) )
It was interesting to have access to so many takes in on sitting.

I don't think the Clips have any intention of waiting much longer. I understood that they want the trade done by next week.



Wow, that is quick.
I'd be sad to part with any of the B's- Beno, Brent, or Bonner.

I feel the team needs reviving. I'm rooting for everyone on this current squad to remember themselves, step up their game, stay together, and win.



I just reread the article, and damn it does read like a laundry list of Spurstalk beefs.

Honestly, the most important portion of the article is the last few lines. If Tim Duncan regrows his balls, and starts playing at a dominant level, then the Spurs can win with this team.

I like the underlined. My concern with Timmy, actually the whole team, is not how they are acting but why... what is wrong with them?
The effects of whatever the ailment is obvious, but I can't pinpoint the cause.


"imagine that type of player, any player, could decline that fast ?"

We aren't talking only about physical decline. Tim can do now, and for a couple more years, what he did last playoffs.

I think his problems, this year, are primarily mental, not physical, like PF or sprained ankles or age.

Not attentive, not aggressive, not competitive, and its affecting those qualities for the team overall. Defense is off, rebounding (aka desire) is off. As in the Dallas game, when the Spurs do get the defense and rebounding up to par, they can't maintain it for 48 minutes.

Yes... but again, why? Why are the Spurs not being the Spurs?





The gulf between the Spurs and the Mavs isn't so big that the Spurs MUST get help from an outside source. If they alter the rotations and the way they play, I think they can catch back up.


I feel that too.

[SequSpur]

B O N N E R For A Crown And Coke At The Saddles And Spurs Club Is A Great Deal......

:lmao At Bonner For Maggette....

[timvp]

Maggette is shooting .118 from downtown this year.

That just shows how much he needs Chip Engelland. He shot well enough earlier in his career that he should be able to get back to 33-35%.

This is from 2001:


Q: It seemed like you improved your perimeter game last season. Is that something you need to continue to work on to take that next step up?

Maggette: I credit that to my coaches, and especially Chip Engelland, who went here. Also Johnny Dawkins, who contacted (Chip) and got him to work with me, and Grant Hill, because Chip works for him and he allowed him to work with me.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Looks like Chip played a big part.

[SequSpur]

How does Maggette solve the problem of no backup point guard and a big hole in the middle that Duncan can't fill? Huh?

The Spurs have enough of these guys.

[Bob Lanier]

Chip Engellend obviously did wonders for Grant's three-ball.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

How does Maggette solve the problem of no backup point guard and a big hole in the middle that Duncan can't fill? Huh?

The Spurs have enough of these guys.
We need to draft those guys in this year's draft. For the PG Acie Law, and for the big either sign Varejao, Hayes, Justin Williams, or draft Alexis Ajinca.

[DubMcDub]

Spurs are about to get Maggette just as much as the Mavs were about to get AI.

[Mr. Body]

All the Spurs playing today pretty much means no trade is imminent, right?

Except Parker. I can't imagine they'd trade him yet.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

All the Spurs playing today pretty much means no trade is imminent, right?

Except Parker. I can't imagine they'd trade him yet.

Well KG and JO are on the block.... just saying

[Kori Ellis]

All the Spurs playing today pretty much means no trade is imminent, right?



Yeah, I would guess it means no deal is going down Monday. If a trade was a done deal, the players involved wouldn't be playing.

[Mr. Body]

Mo Pete played for Toronto today, for what it's worth. Looks like maybe Maggette is really hurt and/or intends to not push it for the Clips anymore.

[1Parker1]

Yeah, I would guess it means no deal is going down Monday. If a trade was a done deal, the players involved wouldn't be playing.

:depressed

Maybe Tony? :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Actually I could easily see Beno playing so much today being a showcase for him and the Clips.

[Tek_XX]

:depressed

Maybe Tony? :lol

Romo?? Naw that dude can't handle a pass

[Kori Ellis]

Mo Pete played for Toronto today, for what it's worth. Looks like maybe Maggette is really hurt and/or intends to not push it for the Clips anymore.

I think he's actually hurt. It was an in-game injury that everyone saw happen against the Magic. To what extent he's hurt, who knows. I just hope it's not a reccurence of his past problem with that foot.

[Mr. Body]

I think he's actually hurt. It was an in-game injury that everyone saw happen against the Magic. To what extent he's hurt, who knows. I just hope it's not a reccurence of his past problem with that foot.

But he played two games since then! For something like 39 and 28 minutes a piece.

True, he may have exacerbated it, but it looks like he doesn't want to push it in any way and it's not serious.

[ChumpDumper]

Nobody wants to take damaged goods in a trade. Maggette is healing up for his benefit and the Clippers'.

[Kori Ellis]

But he played two games since then! For something like 39 and 28 minutes a piece.

True, he may have exacerbated it, but it looks like he doesn't want to push it in any way and it's not serious.

Yeah hopefully it's not serious. It just worries me because it's the same foot.

[SenorSpur]

Yeah, I would guess it means no deal is going down Monday. If a trade was a done deal, the players involved wouldn't be playing.

On that note, seeing as how all trades must have league approval and assuming the league's offices are closed over the weekend, are NBA trades limited to simply weekdays or can they go down (w/approval) over the weekend?

[1Parker1]

However, am I the only one that would prefer to have Finley over Barry as the 3rd man? Reason is, I think it would be more beneficial for the SPurs in the long run to get Finley going and out of his slump. Not only because his defense, but Barry has shown that he often disappears in big games. Finley played really well for us in the playoffs last year and I think if he gets his shot going, that'll open the floor up for everyone else.


Bump. See? Today's game is exactly why I prefer Finley over Barry. :angel

[AFBlue]

How does Maggette solve the problem of no backup point guard and a big hole in the middle that Duncan can't fill? Huh?

The Spurs have enough of these guys.


He doesn't. He solves the scoring and 2/3 rebounding problem that the Spurs have....and those are big ones.

The Spurs still have Williams' expiring contract and a couple other trade chips to resolve the issues you mentioned.

[jbspurs]

Bump. See? Today's game is exactly why I prefer Finley over Barry. :angel


Still not good enough to rotate the ball fast!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

If Maggette doesn't come then who does? We definitely need to trade Beno and Barry, but who will the Spurs then look to get? Morris Peterson is just like Barry, and Krhyapa wouldn't be as much a plus than Maggette, and we need the kind of plus Maggette brings. And then we need another point guard for when we get rid of Beno, because we can't give all the backup time to Vaughn. Until we get a big time backup point guard, we should keep it as a 3-PG rotation.

[ChumpDumper]

We call big time backup point guards "starters."

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Bump. See? Today's game is exactly why I prefer Finley over Barry. :angel

You were right. One game against a bad team playing for an interim coach proves Finley is more valuable to this team against a team like Dallas than Barry :rolleyes


Unless there's some trade out there that we haven't heard about, the Maggette trade is the only deal that's out there that could help us this year and put us over the top against a Dallas.

[Kori Ellis]

...

Unless there's some trade out there that we haven't heard about, the Maggette trade is the only deal that's out there that could help us this year and put us over the top against a Dallas.

I'm sure the majority of the trade possibilities we haven't heard about. When did a Spurs trade ever happen that was in the press before it happened?

[Big P]

Why do we "definitly" need to trade Barry? He's leading the league in 3's & his scoring is going to be invaluable during the palyoffs...obviously the FO see's it the same way or they would have already pulled the trigger on that trade. If we trade Beno, who is this "big time" backup PG you speak of? If we did trade Beno & didn't get a PG back, we are going to go with Parker & Vaughn? Ya..that will work out well. I'm not saying that Beno is the best backup PG ever, but I dont really see anyone who is going to come in here & solve our backup PG problems. Everyone talks about players like Earl Watson being the answer to our problems, but they dont look at the money these guys are being paid & for how long they are under contract. For the money Beno is better than just about anyone we would be able to get

IMO the Spurs will probably shake up the playing time of players if anything. If we could get Maggette for EWill & picks/cash(not gonna happen) then I would understand making the trade. We should probably see what we can get for EWill(& maybe Scola) towards the trading deadline & if there is anyone out there that can help, make a move then. It's funny what a 3 or 4 game losing streak will do...people are saying "trade TD, trade Bowen, trade Barry, fire Pop..etc...its pretty funny actually when you have people saying "lets trade TD, who is arguably the best big man in the league, so we can make a run at the championship" Who are we going to get that is going to make this team any better than what TD does? Nobody. Once we get back on track & start winning 4 out of every 5 games, people will realize how irrational all this talk is.

[supaphly119]

Why do we "definitly" need to trade Barry? He's leading the league in 3's & his scoring is going to be invaluable during the palyoffs...obviously the FO see's it the same way or they would have already pulled the trigger on that trade. If we trade Beno, who is this "big time" backup PG you speak of? If we did trade Beno & didn't get a PG back, we are going to go with Parker & Vaughn? Ya..that will work out well. I'm not saying that Beno is the best backup PG ever, but I dont really see anyone who is going to come in here & solve our backup PG problems. Everyone talks about players like Earl Watson being the answer to our problems, but they dont look at the money these guys are being paid & for how long they are under contract. For the money Beno is better than just about anyone we would be able to get

IMO the Spurs will probably shake up the playing time of players if anything. If we could get Maggette for EWill & picks/cash(not gonna happen) then I would understand making the trade. We should probably see what we can get for EWill(& maybe Scola) towards the trading deadline & if there is anyone out there that can help, make a move then. It's funny what a 3 or 4 game losing streak will do...people are saying "trade TD, trade Bowen, trade Barry, fire Pop..etc...its pretty funny actually when you have people saying "lets trade TD, who is arguably the best big man in the league, so we can make a run at the championship" Who are we going to get that is going to make this team any better than what TD does? Nobody. Once we get back on track & start winning 4 out of every 5 games, people will realize how irrational all this talk is.

obviously the talk of trading any of the big 3 is completely ridiculous but trading barry who is a streaky shooter and has proven that he cannot keep up this 50% pace doesn't seem like a bad idea. after all, we have other guys who can hit from long range and adding someone who can go 15 and 6 nightly sure isn't going to hurt anything out here in spurs land. the main problem, as i see it, is that we need another scoring option because the big 3 cannot play together for the entire game. that option was supposed to be michael finley but he's on his way out. adding someone to either start or bring off the bench if we need a spark is exactly what we need. granted, i'd rather bring in a big who can can 2 and 20 (tyson chandler) but thats way out of the question.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

We call big time backup point guards "starters."
In that case, point guards who are a reliable backup, but not a reliable starter.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm sure the majority of the trade possibilities we haven't heard about. When did a Spurs trade ever happen that was in the press before it happened?

I agree. That's probably the most disappointing thing about this trade already being in the press. Given the Spurs and their history with trades, this one seems very unlikely.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Yeah, I would guess it means no deal is going down Monday. If a trade was a done deal, the players involved wouldn't be playing.
Is that a rule?

[Kori Ellis]

Is that a rule?

No. But they wouldn't risk a player getting hurt that they had in a done deal.

[The Truth #6]

I feel like they have to go through with some sort of trade now involving Brent. It seems like his neurosis has returned. He probably feels like a dead man walking.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

can the Nuggets have Brent Barry? :smokin

[BERSERK]

What can the Nuggets offer the Spurs? It has to be at least be reasonable financial wise.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

What can the Nuggets offer the Spurs? It has to be at least be reasonable financial wise.


Eddie Najera :smokin

He is 110% hussle

[Big P]

Eddie Najera :smokin

He is 110% hussle

No need...we have Bonner.

[BERSERK]

If we were just going by hustle alone, the Spurs might as well made a bid for Mark Madsen. :lol

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

No need...we have Bonner.

Hey i like Matt but he can't hussle like Eddie. He can shoot the 3 great though for a big man :fro

the Nuggets sure need that :lol

[K-State Spur]

Why do we "definitly" need to trade Barry?

I like Barry a lot, and all things being equal, I think he has a valuable role on this team. He can space the floor and handle the point for short stretches.

However, it is becoming evident that the team as it is currently assembled is unlikely to win a championship (although I won't say that it can't be done either - despite the spurs struggles, dallas hasn't exactly kicked their ass in any match-up since game 2 of the semis). That would dictate that a move need be made to re-reach that status, and Barry is one of the few currently players with value. Couple that with his inconsistencies in big games, and he becomes one of the more likely players to be packaged in hopes of getting a greater player in return.

All-in-all, Barry has pretty much done what he has been brought in to do, but since we are lacking in other areas, he may pay the price.

[T Park]

I don't think Barry has.

He was brought in to bring consistent outside shooting, and he has been a horrible shooter.

Period.


Now watching the game today, I noticed nothing different with the lineups, other than Oberto starting.


The Parker thing is understandable.

But, other than that, Bonner didn't get more minutes than Horry, thank god, but still, it didn't happen.


So I notice no difference yet.

[Fillmoe]

San Antonio doesn't want to trade any of their big 3... but no one really wants any of the other dudes they have.... outside of the 3 dudes maybe bowen might attract some teams but other than that yall really dont have any trade bait......

[ChumpDumper]

but no one really wants any of the other dudes they haveExcept the Clippers want outside shooters.

And expiring contracts can always be dealt.

[Fillmoe]

Except the Clippers want outside shooters.

And expiring contracts can always be dealt.


your guys outside shooters aren't really intriguing anybody with their performances as of late..... but its true expirings can be dealt.... and i forgot you guys had eric williams...

[ChumpDumper]

your guys outside shooters aren't really intriguing anybody with their performances as of lateGMs are not day traders. I can't think of any two players who were less consistent than Spurs than Beno and Barry the past couple of years, yet the Clippers wanted them.

[supaphly119]

What can the Nuggets offer the Spurs? It has to be at least be reasonable financial wise.

j.r. "i've made 62 3-pointers" smith....as long as we can cool his temper he could be the next mike miller. now that they have AI, smith is going to be getting far less looks. although, he is still important until melo comes back.

[T Park]

No longer want em probobly too.

Shame, would've been as good a trade as Robertson, Caddilac for Terry Cummings.

[midgetonadonkey]

I think things need to be "shaken" up.

[K-State Spur]

He was brought in to bring consistent outside shooting, and he has been a horrible shooter.


Inconsistent - yes. Horrible - no.

He was great against Phoenix in '05. He was good after the trade deadline last year and came up big against Sacramento - and even against Dallas he was 42% from 3. And despite a rough stretch of late, he's been one of the best in the league this year. Just inconsistent.

[T Park]

He was great against Phoenix in '05

In one game.

Outside of game 1, he was a complete joke that whole playoffs.

Last year as well.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

j.r. "i've made 62 3-pointers" smith....as long as we can cool his temper he could be the next mike miller. now that they have AI, smith is going to be getting far less looks. although, he is still important until melo comes back.
:lol JR isnt going anywhere. Spurs had the chance to get him for Barry but it didn't happen.

JR is the one who will benefit the most from AI, he will get so many open 3's that it wont be funny.

[supaphly119]

:lol JR isnt going anywhere. Spurs had the chance to get him for Barry but it didn't happen.

JR is the one who will benefit the most from AI, he will get so many open 3's that it wont be funny.

oh i know we won't get jr...we blew that one. i'm not sure if he's going to really get as many shots. i mean, the one's he gets from iverson will be open as hell but iverson is shoot first...pass 4th.

[K-State Spur]

In one game.

Outside of game 1, he was a complete joke that whole playoffs.

Last year as well.

What's a complete joke? In games 2-5 against pheonix, he was 5 for 12.

Against Detroit, he was 6 for 16. Now, those aren't great numbers and he certainly didn't justify his contract, but they are neither horrible nor a joke. That's hyperbole.

As for last year, he shot 55% from 3 against Sacramento and 42% against Dallas. If that's a complete joke, I'd be amazed at what you would call 'average'.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

oh i know we won't get jr...we blew that one. i'm not sure if he's going to really get as many shots. i mean, the one's he gets from iverson will be open as hell but iverson is shoot first...pass 4th.

Nah, AI is different in Denver. You can look at his FGA in the last handful of games and see he has been shooting alot, but thats due to the other guys sucking monkeys nuts
:lol

He would be averaging about 13-15 dimes if guys actually hit shots that were setup by AI. Look at last nights game, he was getting into the lane and kicking it out over and over but guys kept missinde wide open 3's (5 from 26 or something ridiculous). With JR back it will be a different story coz AI will have another offensive player to help out, then when Melo gets back it will be even crazier :smokin

AI can still get his 40pts a night but it isnt happening at the moment coz the other team can afford to throw 3 defenders at him while JR and Melo are out. They wont be able to double anyone when those two get back :fro

[supaphly119]

Nah, AI is different in Denver. You can look at his FGA in the last handful of games and see he has been shooting alot, but thats due to the other guys sucking monkeys nuts
:lol

He would be averaging about 13-15 dimes if guys actually hit shots that were setup by AI. Look at last nights game, he was getting into the lane and kicking it out over and over but guys kept missinde wide open 3's (5 from 26 or something ridiculous). With JR back it will be a different story coz AI will have another offensive player to help out, then when Melo gets back it will be even crazier :smokin

AI can still get his 40pts a night but it isnt happening at the moment coz the other team can afford to throw 3 defenders at him while JR and Melo are out. They wont be able to double anyone when those two get back :fro


sounds good...i have him on my fantasy team.

[Man In Black]

Living out here in So Cal, I've seen Maggette a lot. I think he is a good athletic player. I hate that he is injured because when he is, he just isn't able to play at a high level. It's that athletecism that sets him apart from other players his size. He relies on it, just like Mike Fin did in his younger days in Phoenix and early on in Dallas.
But if a shake-up is needed, Maggette would provide both the team and the fans, a major one.

[Supergirl]

I want all the Finley haters to note the fact that he's been described as "a more active defender"...

Also, giving Parker more minutes is not realistic - if his hip is already sore, we don't want to wear him out too soon. I think giving Vaughn more minutes and making Udrih work his way back into the rotation makes more sense...

The only one I'd want them to trade at this point is Udrih. Bonner has shown himself to be very valuable.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think Parker's hip is a chronic kind of problem.

[Cry Havoc]

Personally, I'm all for a Bonner for Brand trade with the Clips. I saw we do it now.

[SCdac]

Hey, isn't Larry Brown the new VP in Philly or something?

We all heard about that report he gave the Spurs about Butler... saw how that turned out (ie. we aquired him).

My question is (I'll ask the more realistic one first), what are the chances we could pick up Rodney Carney (for Beno possibly)? Carney seems like the young athletic forward we could use, yet still unproven enough (in the NBA) to maybe be included in trade talks.

Or, what would it take to land Andre Iguodala? One of the big three you think? Wouldn't surprise me. I'd def welcome Iguodala to the Spurs, though giving up one of the big 3 would probably bring the deal to a halt.

Either way, maybe Brown and Pop could work something out.

[ChumpDumper]

Philly is rebuilding. They wouldn't give away young players.

[leemajors]

Nah, AI is different in Denver. You can look at his FGA in the last handful of games and see he has been shooting alot, but thats due to the other guys sucking monkeys nuts
:lol

He would be averaging about 13-15 dimes if guys actually hit shots that were setup by AI. Look at last nights game, he was getting into the lane and kicking it out over and over but guys kept missinde wide open 3's (5 from 26 or something ridiculous). With JR back it will be a different story coz AI will have another offensive player to help out, then when Melo gets back it will be even crazier :smokin

AI can still get his 40pts a night but it isnt happening at the moment coz the other team can afford to throw 3 defenders at him while JR and Melo are out. They wont be able to double anyone when those two get back :fro

most pgs would average 10+ assists if their teammates hit more shots... :fro