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Nbadan
01-11-2007, 02:04 PM
As I've written before in this forum, some Demo Senators are threatening to cut Iraq war funding in light of W's recent surge...

Sparring senators threaten Iraq fund cut, filibuster


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold on Thursday urged Congress to cut funding for the Iraq war, while the Senate Republican leader threatened to filibuster any Democratic resolution opposing increased troop levels.

"Now Congress must use its main power -- the power of the purse -- to put an end to our involvement in this disastrous war and I am not talking here only about the surge or escalation," said Feingold of Wisconsin at a Senate hearing. "It is time to use the power of the purse to bring our troops out of Iraq."


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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, said Thursday that Republicans might filibuster the Democratic-sponsored resolution opposing the strategy.

McConnell refused to predict if he could muster the votes to carry out a filibuster.

Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid struck back at McConnell by predicting Democrats would have enough votes to block such a move. "Yes we do," Reid told reporters. "By my last count 12 Republicans publicly announced they don't support the surge."

CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/11/iraq.congress)

Cutting funding would give W a way out of this fiasco, also the Sean Hannity's will spin this as a Democratic U.S. defeat, withdrawal, weakness,
whatever, but like in Vietnam, it would effective end the war and bring our troops home, no matter what the chief executive wants. That might just be worth it.

Nbadan
01-11-2007, 02:26 PM
What Bush didn't say in his speech...

The president's 'new way forward' is designed to pass the stigma of defeat to his successor
January 11, 2007
David Olive


In the latest of his high crimes and misdemeanours, U.S. President George W. Bush gave false hope last night to Americans and the world that stability can be achieved in Iraq and the Middle East using the same methods that have repeatedly failed in the past.

The "new way forward" Bush unveiled in a nationally televised speech calls for a further escalation of U.S. troops in Iraq, when three previous troop "surges" have made no difference. Bush again is installing new generals, describing their skills in the same glowing terms he used in announcing previous changes of command.

Demanding "patience, sacrifice and resolve" from the American people in the year ahead, Bush vowed the U.S. will rededicate itself to rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure. Similar pledges in the past have been thwarted by an Iraq insurgency a fraction of the size it is today.

And the president will ask for yet another massive appropriation of Iraq-war funding from the U.S. Congress, funds to be administered by the same bureaucracy in Washington and Baghdad that has overseen the squandering of billions of dollars through corruption and mismanagement.

Once again, Bush promised to apply pressure on the Nouri al-Maliki government in Baghdad to take on more of the job of running Iraq, and especially to end the bloodbath of sectarian violence.

That is a fantasy.

Al-Maliki's own party is a proxy for the Shia leadership in Tehran. When not turning a blind eye to the majority Shiites' low-grade campaign of ethnic cleansing against the minority Sunnis, al-Maliki has fed that conflict, most recently with his government's botched execution of Saddam Hussein. One could not ask for a less effective ally in bringing tranquility to Iraq. .....(more)

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The president withheld from Americans that the United States is losing the war Bush launched almost four years ago.

And that Iraq has descended from a quagmire to a civil war, in which 132,000 U.S. military personnel are preoccupied with not getting themselves killed in the sectarian crossfire.

And that the Iraqi middle class – the last hope for Iraq to rebuild itself – has long ago departed into self-exile.

That "the hell that is now Iraq" (as Saddam said from the gallows) threatens to spill over Iraq's borders into a regional conflagration.

That Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Turkey have been warning the White House for months that they are preparing to take up arms to protect their fellow ethnic Sunnis in Iraq, by invading Iraq themselves if necessary.

That Washington think-tanks and Bush's own administration are girding for a "nightmare scenario" – in which the Saudis try to militarily reinforce their fellow ethnic Sunnis in Iraq to stave off their extermination and Iran steps up its military aid to the Shiites in hopes of setting up a puppet Shia regime in south and central Iraq to gain control of the southern Iraqi oilfields. A strengthened Iran is a scenario the otherwise Sunni-dominated region seeks at all costs to avoid.

Even Turkey, one of America's most reliable allies in the region, has amassed troops to invade Iraq from the north to squelch the ambitions of Iraqi Kurds seeking to create a "greater Kurdistan" that unites ethnic Kurds in Iraq, southern Turkey and northern Iran, and also to protect Iraq's Turkmen community.

That is the Pandora's Box that Bush so unwisely pried open in March 2003.

Should the whole region erupt in conflict, the world oil price would jump at least 50 per cent, there would be a complete stall in the Israeli-Palestinian cohabitation process, and a massacre would ensue among Iraq's remaining 25 million civilians.

To his record of lies, torture, illicit spying on and detention of innocent Americans, and his debauching of the U.S. Constitution he is sworn to uphold, Bush now means to add a needless prolongation of an unwinnable war. And to do so against the will of Congress, the recommendations of Congress's Iraq Study Group report last month, and the 70 per cent of Americans who disapprove of Bush's performance in office.

Why? In order that his successor as president – and not Bush – wears the stigma of defeat in Iraq.

That was the Nixon-Kissinger gambit in Vietnam, a war Nixon widened to Cambodia and Laos, seeking the chimera of "peace with honour" at a cost of tens of thousands of dead GIs and millions of Southeast Asian peasants. It would fall to Gerry Ford to finally end the war, in 1975.

Choosing among the least bad options available in Iraq, Bush could reduce America's troop presence by two-thirds by year's end, and station a remaining 50,000 U.S. troops along Iraq's borders to stem the inflow of insurgents and be poised to crush sporadic episodes of ethnic cleansing.

Bush could partition Iraq along ethnic lines and set up the equivalent of Alaska's Permanent Fund to ensure that every Iraqi receives a quarterly dividend from the country's oil revenues. That would be a sure way of surfacing intelligence from Iraqis about the whereabouts of the insurgents who have been destroying Iraq's oil infrastructure ever since the U.S.-led invasion.

Finally, Bush could recruit a credible envoy – a Colin Powell, Richard Holbrooke or James Baker – to assuage Iraq's neighbours Syria and Iran (with whom Bush stubbornly refuses to talk). And to assemble a genuine coalition of America's allies to provide troops and funding to establish and maintain the peace in Iraq's cities. It was, after all, a Japan dependent on Kuwait oil supplies that funded most of the Gulf War. And wealthy European nations also reliant on Mideast oil, including France, provided troops in that conflict.

In 1966, president Lyndon Johnson vowed that "we shall stay the course" in America's hopeless struggle with the Viet Cong. It is unfathomable that LBJ's long-discredited war rationale finds expression in this day and age in the delusional assertions of a foreign-policy naοf ensconced in the White House.

With so much more at stake in the Mideast than in the Mekong Delta, the world can no longer afford being held hostage by the absurd co-presidency of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

The question is, what is the world going to do about it?

The Star (http://www.thestar.com/News/article/169988)

boutons_
01-11-2007, 03:18 PM
"In order that his successor as president – and not Bush – wears the stigma of defeat in Iraq."

Exactly.

Now that they know they have lost Iraq, dubya/dickhead's overwhelming priority is to salvage their personal legacies, along with that of rummy/wolfowitz/feith/perle/net-cunts/etc.

The surge is just the current WH tactic of kicking withdrawal down the road past 20 Jan 2009.

Lots of professional Repugs, neo-cunts, etc,etc, have already jumped off the sinking WH ship, pointing their fingers at the WH as exclusively responsible for botching a their bad idea.

johnsmith
01-11-2007, 03:22 PM
"In order that his successor as president – and not Bush – wears the stigma of defeat in Iraq."

Exactly.

Now that they know they have lost Iraq, dubya/dickhead's overwhelming priority is to salvage their personal legacies, along with that of rummy/wolfowitz/feith/perle/net-cunts/etc.

The surge is just the current WH tactic of kicking withdrawal down the road past 20 Jan 2009.

Lots of professional Repugs, neo-cunts, etc,etc, have already jumped off the sinking WH ship, pointing their fingers at the WH as exclusively responsible for botching a their bad idea.


I wonder what kind of legacy Boutons will leave on this Earth?

xrayzebra
01-11-2007, 06:00 PM
Would you guys quit salivating. It is getting all over my keyboard and making it
sticky.

We haven't lost in Iraq yet!

What in the world are you going to do if we win?

I will ask you another question. Can we afford to lose. Or do you read anything
but your left wing blogs and NYT. You had better hope we win if you drive a car,
wear clothes or need anyother product made with oil.

ChumpDumper
01-11-2007, 06:21 PM
Would you guys quit salivating. It is getting all over my keyboard and making it
sticky.That's not saliva.
What in the world are you going to do if we win?Be really happy.
Can we afford to lose.That's why invading Iraq was a bad idea. We never had the will to send enough people to really pacify, occupy and transform Iraq into the shining beacon of democracy the neocons wanted. We half-assed it and now we're supposed to pretend that a mere 15% increase in troops for a couple of months -- to levels we've already had there last year -- is a guarantee for victory.

I hope it works, but I'm understandably skeptical.

clambake
01-11-2007, 06:28 PM
What is a win, Ray? You better hope we can somehow brainwash 25M people into thinking they live in a democracy. Nothing else will work.

turambar85
01-11-2007, 06:37 PM
What is a win, Ray? You better hope we can somehow brainwash 25M people into thinking they live in a democracy. Nothing else will work.

You don't follow politics very closely, do you Clam?

The Iraqis would have already accepted democracy if it weren't for the democrats and their anti-American efforts.

Why would the Iraqi people want a democracy if it makes you whiny enemy loving bitches like the democratic party?

Come on.... :elephant

clambake
01-11-2007, 06:40 PM
I knew this would be blamed on me.