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ShoogarBear

01-12-2007, 10:00 PM

td4mvp21

01-12-2007, 10:01 PM

Go figure.

timvp

01-12-2007, 10:04 PM

Shocking!

ShoogarBear

01-12-2007, 10:06 PM

Mavs win 115-113.

Der Flopper vit 43.

Leetonidas

01-12-2007, 10:06 PM

That's your game, folks.

NuGGeTs-FaN

01-12-2007, 10:07 PM

Mavs are too good . 30-4 after starting 0-4

ducks

01-12-2007, 10:07 PM

dirk 18 free throws
unreal

picnroll

01-12-2007, 10:10 PM

Surprised? League rule. Mavs can't be called for fouls in the last 30 seconds

NuGGeTs-FaN

01-12-2007, 10:11 PM

Surprised? League rule. Mavs can't be called for fouls in the last 30 seconds

must be a texan rule :smokin :lol

Leetonidas

01-12-2007, 10:12 PM

must be a texan rule :smokin :lol
Still bitter? lol :smokin

lurker

01-12-2007, 10:14 PM

dirk 18 free throws
unreal
7 more and I would've had to call him Dirk Wade.

NuGGeTs-FaN

01-12-2007, 10:15 PM

Still bitter? lol :smokin

of course :fro

TheMulvany

01-12-2007, 10:15 PM

Grabbed an offensive rebound at the end of regulation against the Mavs, got fouled, no call.

Same thing just happened to him with 5.6 seconds left in OT.

Mavs up by 1 with the ball.

:pctoss

The Fraulein is getting his share of breathe-on-me calls, though.

Uh....when have the refs EVER called a foul on the (potential) last shot of a game? Come on. Bowen got Dirk's arm in game 5 last year and it wasn't called. Duncan got hit at the end of regulation in game 7 and it wasn't called. You don't get calls at the buzzer unless you're LeBron or Wade.

I remember several years ago when the Kings were playing the Mavs in the playoffs and Peja was trying to foul Dirk so he couldnt shoot it at the buzzer to tie the game, and the refs wouldn't even call it. He was TRYING to foul him, heh.

Duncan got a million freethrows in the playoffs against the Mavs last year. I didn't see you complaining then. It's one thing to be a fan, it's another thing to be a blind fan.

Leetonidas

01-12-2007, 10:17 PM

Uh....when have the refs EVER called a foul on the (potential) last shot of a game?

See Game 3, 2006 West Conference Semis.

ShoogarBear

01-12-2007, 10:18 PM

Welcome Mav Fan. You are keeping up a strong tradition.

td4mvp21

01-12-2007, 10:18 PM

7 more and I would've had to call him Dirk Wade.
Might as well call him that then, because he had that much in a game in last year's playoffs. But you'll deny it even though theres proof so I shouldn't even bring this up.

DubMcDub

01-12-2007, 10:18 PM

dieman8686

01-12-2007, 10:19 PM

Now please people, tell me why this thread is in the SA section...stop hating seriously, at least post this in the NBA section.

ShoogarBear

01-12-2007, 10:19 PM

I'm sure Pacer fans have no complaints.

anonymous coward

01-12-2007, 10:19 PM

dirk 18 free throws
unreal

boring timmy 34:12 min; 7.3 fta
_irk 35:42 min; 7.7 fta

:p:

ChumpDumper

01-12-2007, 10:19 PM

:lmao @ the mavbots.

td4mvp21

01-12-2007, 10:19 PM

Leetonidas

01-12-2007, 10:19 PM

ShoogarBear

01-12-2007, 10:20 PM

It's like a million tiny Pavlovian dogs.

Leetonidas

01-12-2007, 10:20 PM

boring timmy 34:12 min; 7.3 fta
_irk 35:42 min; 7.7 fta

:p:
Yes but Tim works in the post, Dirk is a jumpshooter. :dramaquee

DubMcDub

01-12-2007, 10:21 PM

WTF? There were only two replies in this thread until the game was over.

Ok, sorry. Bitter Spurs fan

Happy?

dieman8686

01-12-2007, 10:21 PM

WTF? There were only two replies in this thread until the game was over.
LOL when the thread was posted the game was over(or close to..5secs lol) .... :dizzy
the 5 secs in OT gives it away

picnroll

01-12-2007, 10:22 PM

boring timmy 34:12 min; 7.3 fta
_irk 35:42 min; 7.7 fta

:p:
What's that come out to for Dirk? 1 FT per fade away jumpshot?

DubMcDub

01-12-2007, 10:23 PM

Yes but Tim works in the post, Dirk is a jumpshooter. :dramaquee

This is such a lame argument. Just because someone is a post player doesn't mean they are entitled to more fouls than a guard or wing type (Or, in Dirk's case, a guy in a post player's body who doesn't play the post).

Sure you got guys like Shaq and Wilt that were so physically dominating that they hit the line a lot, but what really should gauge how many FT's you shoot is simple: how good of a basketball player are you?

Tim and Dirk both get a lot of calls, as they both should. They're both amazing players.

Leetonidas

01-12-2007, 10:24 PM

This is such a lame argument. Just because someone is a post player doesn't mean they are entitled to more fouls than a guard or wing type (Or, in Dirk's case, a guy in a post player's body who doesn't play the post).

Sure you got guys like Shaq and Wilt that were so physically dominating that they hit the line a lot, but what really should gauge how many FT's you shoot is simple: how good of a basketball player are you?

Tim and Dirk both get a lot of calls, as they both should. They're both amazing players.
I never said Dirk wasn't an amazing player, but it's stupid to argue about Tim because Tim plays in the most physical section on the court and Dirk fades away most of them time.

LaMarcus Bryant

01-12-2007, 10:24 PM

Can some of the smarter or more sober spurstalk posters in the house please please please explain to me why this Dallas Mavericks team is receiving uber calls (as if they have accomplshed something and deserve treatment) when in fact this Dallas Mavericks team has accomplished nothing in its entire history as a team, and the only player on the entire team that has done anything in his career is Devin George???

DubMcDub

01-12-2007, 10:28 PM

I never said Dirk wasn't an amazing player, but it's stupid to argue about Tim because Tim plays in the most physical section on the court and Dirk fades away most of them time.

You might have a point if we were talking about some typical 6'3" guard jacking up 20 footers, but we're talking about a guy who's such a physical freak on the court that there's seriously not one player with game similar to his (they say Andrea is supposed to be, we'll see).

Dirk is just as hard to guard as Duncan is, if not harder, simply because he plays his position in such an untraditional way. I agree completely that Duncan obviously plays in a more physical area, but that is surely counter balanced by the fact that Dirk's shot is so freakish that he's pretty much impossible to guard when he's fading away with the ball behind his head.

picnroll

01-12-2007, 10:29 PM

Dirk flops a la Reggie Miller and gets calls.

DubMcDub

01-12-2007, 10:32 PM

Dirk flops a la Reggie Miller and gets calls.

Or, he's a very good basketball player and guys can't really find an effective way to guard a long-range shot by a 7 footer.

Either one.

td4mvp21

01-12-2007, 10:33 PM

Or, he's a very good basketball player and guys can't really find an effective way to guard a long-range shot by a 7 footer.

Either one.

Ill go with all of the above.

anonymous coward

01-12-2007, 10:38 PM

Yes but Tim works in the post, Dirk is a jumpshooter. :dramaquee

redd 39.5 min; 8.8 fta
hamilton 37.0; 7 fta

are not redd and hamilton jump shooters and perimeter players?

:dramaquee

boutons_

01-12-2007, 10:41 PM

But Manu's last second foul on Dirk to lose the WCF was called, right.

DubMcDub

01-12-2007, 10:50 PM

Ill go with all of the above.

Fair enough.

Aggie Hoopsfan

01-12-2007, 10:51 PM

Uh....when have the refs EVER called a foul on the (potential) last shot of a game? Come on. Bowen got Dirk's arm in game 5 last year and it wasn't called.

You mean like when Dirk ran over Tim and got sent to the line in game 3?

Good call, dumbass.

Aggie Hoopsfan

01-12-2007, 10:53 PM

This is such a lame argument. Just because someone is a post player doesn't mean they are entitled to more fouls than a guard or wing type

Man, you're dumb. It's not about entitlement. It's about the reality of players in the post getting fouled more often than sissy jump shooters.

Anyone who has actually played basketball in real life knows this. Unfortunately, I know that does no good for all you mavbot dorks who sit at home on Saturday nights and beat off to Dirk and Hasselhoff posters.

v2freak

01-12-2007, 11:11 PM

You might have a point if we were talking about some typical 6'3" guard jacking up 20 footers, but we're talking about a guy who's such a physical freak on the court that there's seriously not one player with game similar to his (they say Andrea is supposed to be, we'll see).

Dirk is just as hard to guard as Duncan is, if not harder, simply because he plays his position in such an untraditional way. I agree completely that Duncan obviously plays in a more physical area, but that is surely counter balanced by the fact that Dirk's shot is so freakish that he's pretty much impossible to guard when he's fading away with the ball behind his head.

The bolded part doesn't make sense to me. How would/should that earn him more free throws?

redd 39.5 min; 8.8 fta
hamilton 37.0; 7 fta

are not redd and hamilton jump shooters and perimeter players?

:dramaquee

Whether they get FTs or not isn't debatable, it's whether they deserve em

DubMcDub

01-12-2007, 11:20 PM

The bolded part doesn't make sense to me. How would/should that earn him more free throws?

Because guys get desperate/out of control trying to guard an unguardable shot and end up tapping him on the elbow/forearm/whatever.

dav4463

01-12-2007, 11:30 PM

See Game 3, 2006 West Conference Semis.

see game 3 AND 4.

Solid D

01-12-2007, 11:31 PM

Ouch. I just saw the replay. Dirk fouled Granger hard, pretty much full body contact on his back, shoulders and head. It was easier to say where Dirk wasn't touching Granger. The near side official looked a little out of position, out near the arc too much.

Shank

01-13-2007, 12:08 AM

Spurs fans - wash, rinse, repeat. It's so easy to pull you offsides.

You fucking babies. Starting a thread whining about the refs and calls in a game in which your team wasn't even involved and then getting pissy when someone tells you to basically shut the fuck up.

So, again, shut the fuck up. You can bitch and whine and moan all you want about the outcome of other games. Bunch of overly-sensitive titty babies.

Mavs > Spurs
Dirk > Timmy

It may be hard to deal with, but it's fact as it stands right now.

(Cue the standard "rings" talk right about here. It's all you have.)
(Cue the "well at least we can TALK about our rings" talk right after that.)
(Then cue the "why are you on a Spurs board?" immediately after.)

ChumpDumper

01-13-2007, 12:09 AM

Cue the :lmao at the mavbot/text network again!

Solid D

01-13-2007, 12:18 AM

You Kurd-lovers - wash, rinse, repeat. It's so easy to pull you offsides.

You babies. Whining about Saddam outing a few non-essentials and in a skirmish in which you weren't even involved and then getting bothered when someone tells you to basically shut up.

So, again, look the other way and mind your own business. You can say "look at what happened there with so many thousands getting mustard gassed" blah, blah, blah and whine and moan all you want about the cleansing of a country. Bunch of overly-sensitive human rights babies.

It may be hard to deal with, but it's fact as it stands right now.

Bob Lanier

01-13-2007, 12:21 AM

I agree that the NBA is rigged.

ShoogarBear

01-13-2007, 12:22 AM

http://cafewhither.bluenest.net/image/Dog.gif

T Park

01-13-2007, 12:25 AM

:lol @ Shoogar

Leetonidas

01-13-2007, 12:25 AM

Aggie Hoopsfan

01-13-2007, 12:28 AM

:lol @ Pavlov's dog.

Pavlov's Dog

01-13-2007, 12:39 AM

Read it and weep Spurs fans. All you do is bitch and moan. You had no problems when you were getting all the calls, sometimes karma is a bitch.

So, just go ahead and STFU.

Mavs > Spurs
Dirk > Tim
Avery > Pop
Cuban > Holt
Mavs Man > Coyote

$30K Millionaires > Tex Mex

Go ahead and bring up your rings, cuz' all you can do is live in your history.

Shank

01-13-2007, 12:40 AM

Obviously fake.

ChumpDumper

01-13-2007, 12:42 AM

Alert the others! :cell

Pavlov's Dog

01-13-2007, 12:43 AM

Obviously fake.

Dallas Mavs, 2006 Western Conference Champions baby!

Can't wait to see Terry, Devin, Dirk, Howard, Damp, and Stack in the All-Star Game. :hat

Solid D

01-13-2007, 12:46 AM

Dallas Mavs, 2006 Western Conference Champions baby!

If that's the banner you got, I guess you hang it up there.

Pavlov's Dog

01-13-2007, 12:47 AM

If that's the banner you got, I guess you hang it up there.

Up yours. Thanks to that WC championship banner we hung up back in November, we've now got more banners hanging in the rafters at the AAC than NBA championship banners you have hanging in the SBC - four!

T Park

01-13-2007, 12:49 AM

what wastes of bandwidth.

Pavlov's Dog

01-13-2007, 12:50 AM

what wastes of bandwidth.

Bite me, dough boy. Do you even know anything about basketball, or just show up with worthless comments?

Shank

01-13-2007, 12:50 AM

Alert the others! :cell

It's 11:50. Shouldn't you have a cock in your mouth right about now?

Solid D

01-13-2007, 12:51 AM

Up yours. Thanks to that WC championship banner we hung up back in November, we've now got more banners hanging in the rafters at the AAC than NBA championship banners you have hanging in the SBC - four!

:lol Your move

Pavlov's Dog

01-13-2007, 12:52 AM

It's 11:50. Shouldn't you have a cock in your mouth right about now?

Pwned!

ChumpDumper

01-13-2007, 12:52 AM

Aw, mavfan is upset that spurfans don't like his widdle team..

ShoogarBear

01-13-2007, 12:54 AM

Dallas Mavs, 2006 Western Conference Champions baby!

Can't wait to see Terry, Devin, Dirk, Howard, Damp, and Stack in the All-Star Game. :hat
:rollin

Pavlov's Dog

01-13-2007, 12:55 AM

What is it going to take for you fuckers to give the Dallas Mavericks their proper respect?

We are the best team in basketball. Maurice Ager is going to put us over the top this year against Wade and the refs. Just you wait.

milkyway21

01-13-2007, 12:58 AM

Solid D

01-13-2007, 01:01 AM

The difference between Spurs fans and Mavs fans is that Mavs fans hang up on the mantle the orange "participant" ribbons from their kids' swim meets.

Pavlov's Dog

01-13-2007, 01:02 AM

Woof woof.

Pavlov's Dog

01-13-2007, 01:02 AM

The difference between Spurs fans and Mavs fans is that Mavs fans hang up on the mantle their orange "participant" ribbons from their kids' swim meets.

That's all Spurs fans are hanging up these days as well, it's been 200 years since you last won a ring. Talk about living in the past...

ChumpDumper

01-13-2007, 01:03 AM

Shank just sent out a mass text to all his myspace friends.

SpurCapita

01-13-2007, 01:05 AM

That's all Spurs fans are hanging up these days as well, it's been 200 years since you last won a ring. Talk about living in the past...

I believe it's been 10.5 years, Mr. Dog. Woof. :fro

Solid D

01-13-2007, 01:07 AM

I believe it's been 10.5 years, Mr. Dog. Woof. :fro

:lol in dog years. Good one.

MannyIsGod

01-13-2007, 01:08 AM

Now please people, tell me why this thread is in the SA section...stop hating seriously, at least post this in the NBA section.Motherfucker because we want it to be. What other reason do we need? You going to come into my house and tell me where to put my TV too asswipe?

SpurCapita

01-13-2007, 01:08 AM

:lol in dog years. Good one.

Unfortunately, with Mav fans, you have to talk down to their level.

ChumpDumper

01-13-2007, 01:12 AM

:lol Their numbers are growing in the thread. The mavbot network is efficient, I'll give them that.

dg7md

01-13-2007, 01:12 AM

Pavlov's Dog

01-13-2007, 01:12 AM

Unfortunately, with Mav fans, you have to talk down to their level.

So you're talking down to our championship level? Because that's where we're at. Mavs n 07.

ShoogarBear

01-13-2007, 01:13 AM

Motherfucker because we want it to be. What other reason do we need? You going to come into my house and tell me where to put my TV too asswipe?You can't make it five posts without mentioned that friggin HD, can you, elitist?

ShoogarBear

01-13-2007, 01:15 AM

WTF, why is Pavlov a Laker fan?

Solid D

01-13-2007, 01:16 AM

http://cafewhither.bluenest.net/image/Dog.gif

As the saying goes..you can lead a dog to the trophy, but you can't make him win it.

CubanMustGo

01-13-2007, 01:18 AM

http://cafewhither.bluenest.net/image/Dog.gif

As the saying goes..you can lead a dog to the trophy, but you can't make him win it.
:rollin

Shank

01-13-2007, 01:22 AM

The last post actually talking about the team and tonight's game was 40-something posts back. The rest was me egging you bitches on and the rest of you sheep following suit by sucking on each other and going back and forth with a fake ID. Then you have Chump talking some shit about numbers growing when no one new had even entered into the conversation. Go back to that cock you're supposed to be sucking.

Sad times in Spursland. You're like those that believe Elvis will return from the dead. Funny, but in a sad sort of way.

ChumpDumper

01-13-2007, 01:24 AM

Then you have Chump talking some shit about numbers growingLook down, douchebag.

ChumpDumper

01-13-2007, 01:29 AM

And really, if all you have to do on a Friday night is patrol the internets looking for signs of disrepect towards the mavs on other teams' message boards, sucking a cock would be an improvement for you.

Here's hoping you suck many cocks soon. You deserve it.

ShoogarBear

01-13-2007, 01:36 AM

What is it about Mav Fan and his obsession with fellatio?

http://www.thebloggingtimes.com/content/wp-content/content/mark_cuban_01.jpg

Oh, never mind.

SpurCapita

01-13-2007, 01:51 AM

So you're talking down to our championship level? Because that's where we're at. Mavs n 07.

http://www.geocities.com/usakeeper87/Obrienstrips.jpg

Mav fans don't know it's not O'Brien!

4001 STEREO SPUR

01-13-2007, 01:53 AM

^^

True True

milkyway21

01-13-2007, 02:02 AM

come on Spurs fans let's give Dork some credit he really worked hard for that win last night

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/basketball/nba/01/12/mavs.pacers.ap/T1_0112_nowitzki.jpg

SEE? :madrun look at the facial expression...

SequSpur

01-13-2007, 02:04 AM

who is danny granger

ShoogarBear

01-13-2007, 02:09 AM

who is danny grangerFunny, that's the same thing Ron Garretson and Phil Robinson were saying.

Pavlov's Dog

01-13-2007, 02:11 AM

THE SIXTH MAN

01-13-2007, 02:15 AM

What is it with Mavs fans and obsessing about sucking cock? You're making us look bad, shut the fuck up jackass.
:lol

MannyIsGod

01-13-2007, 02:30 AM

Shoog, I won't rest until the weather channel is in HD.

Leetonidas

01-13-2007, 02:40 AM

That's all Spurs fans are hanging up these days as well, it's been 200 years since you last won a ring. Talk about living in the past...
That's funny because it was only 2 years ago and I believe Dallas has 0. I'm not one to bring in ring smack, but when you stupid bullshit like that, please, you're asking for that. Mavs have no rings in the last 50 years while the Spurs have 3 in the last 8.

ShoogarBear

01-13-2007, 02:42 AM

Shoog, I won't rest until the weather channel is in HD.:lol

If they do that and you can find a decent pizza delivery you might never leave the house again.

dieman8686

01-13-2007, 02:52 AM

Shoog, I won't rest until the weather channel is in HD.
You bitch, mothafucker, SOB, dipstick(shit)!!!Fuck you!!!! :ihit :ihit ....sigh things have to get to Manny's level...
NVM thats the level the typical Spurs fans goes by, I guess Bill Simmons comments(SIG) is true... :nerd

dav4463

01-13-2007, 04:28 AM

dbestpro

01-13-2007, 04:49 AM

:lol at bitter Spurs fans sitting at their computers gamecasting, hoping and praying that the Mavs lose so they can slowly crawl back into divisional contention.

Get real. That game was pretty damn well officiated.
It is so funny to hear Mav fans. They get every game breaker from the refs and it is a well officiated game. The game called straight and they whine for days.
Good news for Mav fans, though. I hear Disney may build a theme park designed after a Mav championship trophy. They are simply going to call it fantasy land.

Obstructed_View

01-13-2007, 06:12 AM

It wasn't a well-officiated game. Dirk stepped on somebody's foot and there was no call of a foul on the Indiana player that maliciously stood there before Dirk's majesty. The officiating is in Dallas' favor to the point that even Mark Cuban isn't complaining. Looks like the rest of the NBA is going to have to look forward to another Mavs meltdown because nobody is actually going to be able to beat them 5 on 8.

mavsfan1000

01-13-2007, 06:18 AM

RonMexico

01-13-2007, 06:29 AM

7 more and I would've had to call him Dirk Wade.

That already happened - it's called the 2006 Western Conference Semi-Finals... or as some call it "Dirky's 24 FT Adventure"

RonMexico

01-13-2007, 06:35 AM

Try to get back on the subject. If Dirk had shot that jumper at the end of regulation and got the hit the same as the Pacer shooter...I GUARANTEE that he would have been on the line to win it. If someone else took that shot and Dirk would have got the same contact on a rebound shot...he would have went to the line. Pacers were fouled twice in the last few seconds...nothing was called...but Dirk gets those calls. That is what is irritating.

Exactly, anything in the final 15 seconds is automatically considered "bear-hug." Still, anything including Dirk in the Finals should automatically be considered "choke job."

Has anyone noticed Dirk isn't allowed to airball a shot? If the ball doesn't touch rim, a ref will blow the whistle almost automatically, no matter how many seconds it was after he shot it.

Shank

01-13-2007, 08:34 AM

Has anyone noticed Dirk isn't allowed to airball a shot? If the ball doesn't touch rim, a ref will blow the whistle almost automatically, no matter how many seconds it was after he shot it.

You're so full of shit. Where's your tinfoil hat?

picnroll

01-13-2007, 09:14 AM

Exactly, anything in the final 15 seconds is automatically considered "bear-hug." Still, anything including Dirk in the Finals should automatically be considered "choke job."

Has anyone noticed Dirk isn't allowed to airball a shot? If the ball doesn't touch rim, a ref will blow the whistle almost automatically, no matter how many seconds it was after he shot it.
When Dirk takes one of his fadeaways if another player is within two feet of him he's flopping and flailing like a trout on a line. I've seen Parker's shadow nearly drop Dirk for a ten count.

LEONARD

01-13-2007, 09:48 AM

Looked like solid D at the end of the game (once again!) by the Mavs to me...Howard with a block on O'Neal at the end of regulation and OT...

It just kills Spurs fans to admit that the Mavs can play defense...

Dirk is the man...keep hating!! hahaha...

He's a superstar...he's gets some superstar calls, just like the others, including Duncan (too bad Duncan can't make his FT's like Dirk!). That 3 Dirk hit after Granger's 3 was COLD BLOODED... :fro

Great game...

LEONARD

01-13-2007, 09:50 AM

RonMexico

01-13-2007, 04:05 PM

NuGGeTs-FaN

01-13-2007, 04:59 PM

I think its hilarious that Spurs fans are still arguing in this thread after the treatment Duncan and Manu got in Denver the other night.

Spurs get away with a heap and they think its 'good reffing'

Anyone else get away with it and its 'Stern's fault or flopping'

:drunk

LEONARD

01-13-2007, 05:12 PM

I'll admit that 3 was really clutch.

Then it was definitely money... :lol :fro

ChumpDumper

01-13-2007, 05:30 PM

I think its hilarious that Spurs fans are still arguing in this thread after the treatment Duncan and Manu got in Denver the other night.I think it's hilarious that any fan of any team thinks they can whine about the refs without sounding like a complete bitch.

LB7

01-13-2007, 05:43 PM

Bad calls went both ways...give me a break. Dampier's last 2 fouls to foul him out were hilarious enough. Great game..Mavs played good D down the stretch to win it. If I'm not mistaken, we should've taken the game in regulation after Terry's 3. Then Tinsley got yet another 2 FTs with 30 seconds left to tie it back up. Get over it. Good game and good win for the Mavs.

RonMexico

01-13-2007, 06:21 PM

Then it was definitely money... :lol :fro

But I think Dirk would have gotten that call that O'Neal didn't because there was some kind of contact with under 5 seconds left... just an observation.

Obstructed_View

01-13-2007, 07:44 PM

How about the call that Terry got knocked on his ass and no foul and off Dallas? Shit calls went both ways.
You mean when he dribbled off his foot and the ball went out of bounds and Terry looked around for someone to bail him out? Too bad he didn't just jump diagonally into a defender and throw up a shot because he gets whistles for that.

BUMP

01-13-2007, 08:41 PM

I'll admit that 3 was really clutch.

IMO, Dirk has never made a clutch shot

?

RonMexico

01-13-2007, 10:45 PM

?

Now he's finally made 2 - one against the Suns and then that 3 - he's also playing out of his mind in the past 10 or so games, so he's impressing me... I made that comment back in november when I still felt it was accurate (esp. based on his Finals performance).

Don't try to turn me into John Kerry here - I called Joe Johnson "choke Johnson" back when he sucked it up against SA in the 2003 playoffs, but I would call Joe really clutch these days - the way he played against the Pistons last night was amazing... players have time to develop, change, and impress.

RonMexico

01-13-2007, 10:46 PM

You mean when he dribbled off his foot and the ball went out of bounds and Terry looked around for someone to bail him out? Too bad he didn't just jump diagonally into a defender and throw up a shot because he gets whistles for that.

Or the time against the Suns when he came off a screen from Erik Dampier and got bumped BY DAMPIER, so he then jumped, screamed and threw a ball of the backboard... whistle and 3-point play.

ponky

01-13-2007, 11:09 PM

When Dirk takes one of his fadeaways if another player is within two feet of him he's flopping and flailing like a trout on a line. I've seen Parker's shadow nearly drop Dirk for a ten count.

he follows the manu school of flopping...if they call it, he will flop...it's part of the game just like bowen's b.s....i'm glad our mavs have figured it out, as long as they get rewarded, why the fuck not? i've noticed lots of spurs fans lately calling out devin harris for flopping just because he's mastered taking charges. i personally don't see a flop but whatever fucking works to get a win is the name of the game, you know it's true

ponky

01-13-2007, 11:12 PM

Or the time against the Suns when he came off a screen from Erik Dampier and got bumped BY DAMPIER, so he then jumped, screamed and threw a ball of the backboard... whistle and 3-point play.

when nash was a maverick, the guy couldn't buy a foul. he had no respect and it was frustrating to watch other teams rack up the fouls when the mavericks, ESPECIALLY NASH, couldn't get shit going their way when it came to officiating...anyway, keep obsessing about the mavs, it's funny how much time you spend bitching about them, thank god i don't have that problem with your suns

RonMexico

01-14-2007, 01:36 AM

when nash was a maverick, the guy couldn't buy a foul. he had no respect and it was frustrating to watch other teams rack up the fouls when the mavericks, ESPECIALLY NASH, couldn't get shit going their way when it came to officiating...anyway, keep obsessing about the mavs, it's funny how much time you spend bitching about them, thank god i don't have that problem with your suns

Yeah - the problem is Nash STILL doesn't get a foul call, but that second-rate PG Jason Terry does... so wouldn't I be even more frustrated when Nash has won 2 MVPs and still gets the same treatment he got in Dallas? You can't complain about the calls the Suns get because they go to the line the least amount in the league, so your argument is incongruous.

Doug Collins

01-14-2007, 10:32 PM

mavs>spurs2

01-15-2007, 12:33 AM

When Dirk takes one of his fadeaways if another player is within two feet of him he's flopping and flailing like a trout on a line. I've seen Parker's shadow nearly drop Dirk for a ten count.

Those are some big words for someone whos entire team does that shit and made a living off of it. If it werent for the art of flopping the spurs would have 2 less championships. You don't have anything to be complaining about.

Celtic Pride

01-15-2007, 12:50 AM

Yeah - the problem is Nash STILL doesn't get a foul call, but that second-rate PG Jason Terry does... so wouldn't I be even more frustrated when Nash has won 2 MVPs and still gets the same treatment he got in Dallas? You can't complain about the calls the Suns get because they go to the line the least amount in the league, so your argument is incongruous.

No matter how second rate JT is, he still has more W's this season than Nash. Any way, what was the reason the Suns traded Nash and Kidd away? The Mavs traded Kidd away because they had stupid ownership by the name of Ross Perot Jr. Just a question.

stretch

01-15-2007, 12:50 AM

Yeah - the problem is Nash STILL doesn't get a foul call, but that second-rate PG Jason Terry does... so wouldn't I be even more frustrated when Nash has won 2 MVPs and still gets the same treatment he got in Dallas? You can't complain about the calls the Suns get because they go to the line the least amount in the league, so your argument is incongruous.
I have never seen a whinier piece of shit on this forum than you. You are the biggest, most fuckfaced worthless piece of shit on this forum. quit bitching so fucking much.

DubMcDub

01-15-2007, 12:52 AM

I think it's hilarious that any fan of any team thinks they can whine about the refs without sounding like a complete bitch.

Truth. End thread.

:clap

sprrs

01-15-2007, 01:18 AM

RonMexico

01-15-2007, 07:40 PM

No matter how second rate JT is, he still has more W's this season than Nash. Any way, what was the reason the Suns traded Nash and Kidd away? The Mavs traded Kidd away because they had stupid ownership by the name of Ross Perot Jr. Just a question.

Suns traded Nash away because they already had Kidd and didn't feel Nash was going to "develop into anything spectacular." In fact, Nash was booed early in his career in Dallas before evolving and becoming a fan favorite.

Suns then traded Kidd away because of a domestic violence issue with his wife (apparently, he spit french fries in her face and then slapped her... the story is all over the forum now that Kidd has filed for divorce). Story is, when you get on Jerry Colangelo's bad side, you're shipped out of town. That's why Kidd was gone - that's why Barkley was gone. Kidd for Marbury trade killed me when they announced it... it was almost as bad as the Rick Robey for Dennis Johnson trade (he was a good Suns defender... haha) that helped the Celts win some titles. Word is that DJ and Colangelo didn't like each other, so he was gone too.

All of this stems from when the franchise almost had to fold in the 1980s because of a large drug scandal and death of former player Johnny High, who was killed while driving under the influence. Colangelo bought the whole franchise personally and made it his mission to clean up the team. After revamping the whole team and getting 28 wins, he quickly traded for Kevin Johnson and the rest is history...

I don't know why we're really fighting about this - our favorite teams (along with the Lakers and Spurs) are in the top 4 all time in terms of winning percentage. We should be ganging up on these jump-start douchebag Mav fans.

RonMexico

01-15-2007, 07:42 PM

I have never seen a whinier piece of shit on this forum than you. You are the biggest, most fuckfaced worthless piece of shit on this forum. quit bitching so fucking much.

Um, that fucker started it - without backing up any of his statements. At least I have FT attempt stats on my side, which is what you and other Mavs fans have used against D-Wade and Stern since June 2006.

Secondly, wait until Dirk posts on this forum, then you'll have a whinier piece of shit to complain about.

stretch

01-15-2007, 10:39 PM

Um, that fucker started it - without backing up any of his statements. At least I have FT attempt stats on my side, which is what you and other Mavs fans have used against D-Wade and Stern since June 2006.

Secondly, wait until Dirk posts on this forum, then you'll have a whinier piece of shit to complain about.
that Dirk poster is a joke. he messes around on purpose to be annoying and ignorant for the fun of it. you on the other hand, are simply annoying and ignorant, period. and you can read every single post that i have ever posted here. not once, did i make an excuse for the Mavs losing in the finals other than the fact that they played like shit, and fucked up at the times they needed plays the most. was officiating bad? if you watch the replays, any fucking moron knows the answer to that. however, officiating had NOTHING to do with the Mavs fucking up. no matter how the officiating was, the Mavs could have, and really should have won that series. they clearly were the better team. The Heat played out of their minds, while the Mavs played like absolute shit, and they still could only squeak by the Mavs, and then there was obviously quite a bit of controversy as well. If the Mavs simply played average, they would have beat the Heat. anyone that knows a damn thing about basketball knows that. but the fact is, they didnt make the plays they needed to make, and therefore lost. and you have NO right whatsoever to take shots at the Mavs in the finals. last i checked, the Suns havent even made the finals since 1993, and dont have any championships to speak of either (unless they have some dumbshit one, like the Kings have one from back when they were the Rochester Royals in 1950 or something like that, that dumbfuck kings fans are so proud of, and think it merits them talking all kinds of shit).

stretch

01-15-2007, 10:44 PM

I don't know why we're really fighting about this - our favorite teams (along with the Lakers and Spurs) are in the top 4 all time in terms of winning percentage. We should be ganging up on these jump-start douchebag Mav fans.

hmm, how true. unfortunately, those wins dont mean a damn thing unless you have a title to back it up with. teams like the Lakers and Spurs can talk shit about that. the Suns cant. either way, using championships to talk shit is a very weak insult. all it shows is the absolute lack of basketball knowledge that the person has.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 12:20 AM

hmm, how true. unfortunately, those wins dont mean a damn thing unless you have a title to back it up with. teams like the Lakers and Spurs can talk shit about that. the Suns cant. either way, using championships to talk shit is a very weak insult. all it shows is the absolute lack of basketball knowledge that the person has.

Mavs just have the best record in the NBA and you have anointed them 2007 Champs already with the majority of your posts... therefore, why can't I use their stellar regular season records since 1968 to argue that they are the better franchise overall? Seems to be congruous to me because you bitch to me that the Suns don't have titles and then you say that using "championships to talk shit is a very weak insult" when the MAVS DON'T HAVE A TITLE EITHER!

So, basically you're using 2 years of the Mavs being tops in the NBA (record-wise) to say they should be the 2007 champs, and I'm simply using 38 years of the Suns being much better than the Mavs to prove I'd rather cheer for a consistent winner than be some bandwagon fan.

Greg Oden

01-16-2007, 01:06 AM

RonMexico showing his italian anger :lol

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 01:17 AM

RonMexico showing his italian anger :lol

Greg, you're 40 years old... how else do I deal with idiots?

ponky

01-16-2007, 01:39 AM

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 02:36 AM

dang, you two are still at it...btw, ronmexico he's right, you are one whiny fan...and you're right, nash still doesn't get the calls which is why i'm glad he's gone...he doesn't *work* it and that's his own fault, the league is not going to change so quit bitching already

I can't believe you're defending stretch... here's to hoping the Mavs go down to the Lakers again this week to bring you back to reality.

SoCal Lakeshow

01-16-2007, 02:41 AM

I can't believe you're defending stretch... here's to hoping the Mavs go down to the Lakers again this week to bring you back to reality.
Everybody's a Laker fan now. :clap :clap

ponky

01-16-2007, 02:44 AM

I can't believe you're defending stretch... here's to hoping the Mavs go down to the Lakers again this week to bring you back to reality.

I'm not defending stretch, I'm agreeing with him that you are one whiny little bitch when it comes to officiating, it's sad and hilarious at the same time. Go ahead and root for the Lakers, oooh I'm scared. Even if the Mavs lose, I'm not going to bitch and whine like you, twit.

ponky

01-16-2007, 02:45 AM

Everybody's a Laker fan now. :clap :clap

LMFAO, he's a Suns fan, don't clap for him, he probably laughed when Raja clotheslined your boy Kobe in the playoffs last season.

SoCal Lakeshow

01-16-2007, 02:47 AM

LMFAO, he's a Suns fan, don't clap for him, he probably laughed when Raja clotheslined your boy Kobe in the playoffs last season.
I laughed when Dallas beat them. :lol

ponky

01-16-2007, 02:51 AM

I laughed when Dallas beat them. :lol

:tu :clap :clap :clap

SoCal Lakeshow

01-16-2007, 02:55 AM

:tu :clap :clap :clap
:lol :lol

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 03:14 AM

I'm not defending stretch, I'm agreeing with him that you are one whiny little bitch when it comes to officiating, it's sad and hilarious at the same time. Go ahead and root for the Lakers, oooh I'm scared. Even if the Mavs lose, I'm not going to bitch and whine like you, twit.

I'm sorry - the precedent of bitching about officials was set by Spurs in second round of 2006 WCSF and then trumped by the Mavs fans in 2006 Finals. Please don't make me search those countless threads and bring to light every "conspiracy theory" or "fuck Stern" or "D-Wade has shot the most FTs in the past 3 years..." that was posted since June.

I simply don't like someone coming out and saying (incorrectly) that Nash gets calls on the offensive end (*cough* CelticPride) and then hypocrite (stretch) comes out and acts like his profanity-laced posts are gospel. Stretch will change his argument from day-to-day and add as many "fuck you's" "fuckwads" or "cocksniffers" to his posts to make it more emphatic. I've never seen someone make an argument and then blast non-Mavs fans who use his same reasoning.

I simply say Dirk gets a lot of calls, Nash gets none - D-Wade's performance last year was karma, based on "bear-hug" bullshit of the Semi's.

Lastly, you're even a hypocrite for calling me out after saying that "it took D-Wade 13 FTs to get his points to Kobe's 3." At least I'm up front by saying, "Dirk's a flopper," while you try to veil it in some kind of comparison about D-Wade/Kobe FT attempts. Kobe just wasn't a good enough actor tonight... he also got away with a charge at the end of regulation.

And yes, I did laugh and get angry when Raja took Kobe down. I've metioned that I like and respect the smart, friendly, articulate Kobe (like the one in the post-game interview) and not the brash, finger-wagging, "I don't know this kid," adulterer Kobe - which is the one who was out in force during the First Round last year.

ponky

01-16-2007, 03:27 AM

ponky

01-16-2007, 03:40 AM

I'm sorry - the precedent of bitching about officials was set by Spurs in second round of 2006 WCSF and then trumped by the Mavs fans in 2006 Finals. Please don't make me search those countless threads and bring to light every "conspiracy theory" or "fuck Stern" or "D-Wade has shot the most FTs in the past 3 years..." that was posted since June.

I simply don't like someone coming out and saying (incorrectly) that Nash gets calls on the offensive end (*cough* CelticPride) and then hypocrite (stretch) comes out and acts like his profanity-laced posts are gospel. Stretch will change his argument from day-to-day and add as many "fuck you's" "fuckwads" or "cocksniffers" to his posts to make it more emphatic. I've never seen someone make an argument and then blast non-Mavs fans who use his same reasoning.

I simply say Dirk gets a lot of calls, Nash gets none - D-Wade's performance last year was karma, based on "bear-hug" bullshit of the Semi's.

Lastly, you're even a hypocrite for calling me out after saying that "it took D-Wade 13 FTs to get his points to Kobe's 3." At least I'm up front by saying, "Dirk's a flopper," while you try to veil it in some kind of comparison about D-Wade/Kobe FT attempts. Kobe just wasn't a good enough actor tonight... he also got away with a charge at the end of regulation.

haha, you're so full of shit with this karma bullshit. anyway, i will agree that nash STILL does not get any calls but at least part of the reason is that he doesn't *look* for calls like manu, dirk, wade, duncan. he's a purist and just plays the game, doesn't really go out of his way to try and work the foul too much by throwing his arms out or falling down or whatever...so until he does learn to work it a bit you can just keep on bitching about how everyone else should clean up their act so you're guy doesn't look like the odd man out when it comes to fouls calls...i remember this all too well, the frustration when it came to dirk and nash not being able to get any calls, thanks god nash is gone and dirk has learned to adjust...anyway, guys like dirk and ginobili flop and get calls going their way but it's a lot less than wade who looks like he's incurred an injury every five minutes

Actually, I don't always think about the Mavs when watching matchups of other teams so don't leap to conclusions that by commenting on tonight's game I was really trying to cover Dirk's ass, what a lame assumption. Did you even watch the game? Kobe didn't have to act because he wasn't so bust taking all the shots tonight and when he did take shots he was obviously not concerned about getting the and one. Way to focus in on the one call that went Kobe's way, undercutting should be rewarded with a charge.

SoCal Lakeshow

01-16-2007, 03:46 AM

Kobe just wasn't a good enough actor tonight... he also got away with a charge at the end of regulation.

And yes, I did laugh and get angry when Raja took Kobe down. I've metioned that I like and respect the smart, friendly, articulate Kobe (like the one in the post-game interview) and not the brash, finger-wagging, "I don't know this kid," adulterer Kobe - which is the one who was out in force during the First Round last year.
Come on that wasn't a charge it was a good no call. If anything it was a block, but I would have been upset if they called it at the end of the game. Good no call.

But Kobe's brash, finger-wagging attitude is what makes him so good. If he didn't have it he wouldn't be as good as he is.

ponky

01-16-2007, 03:50 AM

Come on that wasn't a charge it was a good no call. If anything it was a block, but I would have been upset if they called it at the end of the game. Good no call.

But Kobe's brash, finger-wagging attitude is what makes him so good. If he didn't have it he wouldn't be as good as he is.

see i told you RonMexico is a whiny bitch who laughed when kobe got clotheslined. i will be rooting for the Lakers to beat those Suns down whenever you meet up with them again! goodnight and good luck on wednesday! (for obvious reasons i can't say good luck for thursday but still, i hope it's a good game)

SoCal Lakeshow

01-16-2007, 03:56 AM

see i told you RonMexico is a whiny bitch who laughed when kobe got clotheslined. i will be rooting for the Lakers to beat those Suns down whenever you meet up with them again! goodnight and good luck on wednesday! (for obvious reasons i can't say good luck for thursday but still, i hope it's a good game)
:toast

Goodnight and good luck on days you're not facing the Lakeshow. Don't forget to sport your Laker shirt against the Spurs.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 04:05 AM

yeah yeah yeah, stop bitching for a second and give me your opinion about this RonMexico

my bf and i were disagreeing about the whole LT/dance thing, i think it was fine to celebrate and the bf doesn't so i compared what the pats did to what darrell armstrong did when the mavs beat the suns last season in the playoffs. remember when tim thomas did his hand over the face gesture in game five and mouthed some crap to dirk? well, during the second half when it became apparent that the mavs would win and dirk scored a ridiculous number of points, darrell armstrong was laughing and taunting tim thomas with the hand over the face gesture. would you agree that this is kind of the same thing the pats did to the chargers by doing the merriman dance after winning? i say yes but my bf is a huge mavs homer (worse than me!) and won't admit it

Well, here's the deal - everyone, from the coaching staff to the real fans (aka me), wanted Thomas to stop that hand in the face B.S. from the start. Most of that is because we can differentiate the "calm, collected" Thomas who hits a 3 against the Lakers to save the season from the "calm, and very lazy" Thomas who grabs only one rebound in Game 2 against the Mavs and misses a bunch of 3's that cost the Suns a chance at going up 2-0. That said, I think he took it upon himself to add some swagger to the team, since they were called "soft" throughout the whole year and especially in the Lakers series. I thought it was awesome when he called Dirk a "big ass pussy" and blew the kiss because that was the type of attitude the Suns had been missing for years. After Dirk dropped 50, I wasn't so happy he did it to set Dirk off.

Still, to answer your question, I didn't take the Darrell Armstrong mocking to be all that bad because (a) it wasn't the deciding game of the series, (b) Armstrong is a veteran who has paid a lot of dues over the years and always played hard, and (c) I wanted Thomas to get mocked for awkening the 50-pt beast.

It's very ironic to me that posters like dirk4mvp think Suns fans have a huge attachment to Tim Thomas and continue to make fun of us because of what he did. I like him for the shots he hit and the fact that he added a very cheap big body at the end of the season for a depleted Suns front line. Secondly, it was in a contract year, so we all knew he was going to play harder to pull a Jerome James and get someone to pay him a lot of money over the summer. Third, I knew he was a funny guy with some playoff experience, so chemistry-wise he would be a good fit.

However, none of that meant I was extremely upset to see him go this summer because he played lazy defense and got in foul trouble sometimes, didn't crash the boards hard, and took ill-advised shots rather than play the typical Suns' unselfish style of play. He'll always hold a place in Suns history for his shot against the Lakers, but other than, that - he falls into the category of Sam Cassell, Robert Horry and Chucky Brown: talented, but not quite the fit for a long haul.

Now, to further the comparison with the Chargers/Pats game, I maintain that I don't think Armstrong making fun was quite the same because (as I said) it was only game 5. However, I feel the ucontested, rubbing-it-in dunk with about 1 second left by Adrian Griffin in Game 6 last year is akin to the Pat's dancing on the logo. Even the typically clueless Phoenix crowd started booing when that dunk went down because the game was already in hand and players at the other end of the floor started congratulating each other.

(Side note: I became really offended last year when Mavs' fans started blasting our fans because they thought they were being poor sports and booing the Mavs when they were in fact booing Griffin's unsportsmanlike dunk... the people that angered me even more were the fans who tried to deny Griffin even did it! I think Leonard used the term, "Griff is a vet; he would never do that." I'm curious if Griffin is gone because Avery saw that shit and wouldn't stand for it.)

Anyways, back on topic - I think since that dunk came in a deciding game and was unsportsmanlike, it is more like the Pats tramping/dancing on the Chargers' logo in an elimination game and more equal in terms of showing the other team up. I only wish LT were on the Suns to body check Griffin and then call him out in the press conference. Still, Griffin is wasting his days away in Toronto, so there's a little bit of justice there. Now, if Griffin had dunked it and done the Thomas hand wave, then there'd be no contest... haha.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 04:11 AM

Actually, I don't always think about the Mavs when watching matchups of other teams so don't leap to conclusions that by commenting on tonight's game I was really trying to cover Dirk's ass, what a lame assumption. Did you even watch the game? Kobe didn't have to act because he wasn't so bust taking all the shots tonight and when he did take shots he was obviously not concerned about getting the and one. Way to focus in on the one call that went Kobe's way, undercutting should be rewarded with a charge.

I'm not saying you're protecting Dirk, I'm just saying you're using the Kobe/Wade FT comparison to shed more light on FT injustice in the league. Kobe was acting a lot and not getting the calls. Kobe did care about the and 1, and was often on the ground with his hands raised to the officials or giving them a piece of his mind. Doug Collins even mentioned that Kobe was getting rattled and picked up a foul against Wade because Kobe was concerned too much about the calls he wasn't getting at the other end. The most obvious one was when Wade ran at him and stole the ball and Kobe threw his arms in the air and didn't even bother to run back on D.

When he manned up in OT, the whistles went his way and the game was theirs. Even Sager said, "I don't want to bait you into a fine, but you looked like you were getting frustrated with the lack of calls out there..."

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 04:15 AM

And Dirk's rolling ankle routine is just as bad as the "Wade acts injured routine"

ponky

01-16-2007, 04:15 AM

Well, here's the deal - everyone, from the coaching staff to the real fans (aka me), wanted Thomas to stop that hand in the face B.S. from the start. Most of that is because we can differentiate the "calm, collected" Thomas who hits a 3 against the Lakers to save the season from the "calm, and very lazy" Thomas who grabs only one rebound in Game 2 against the Mavs and misses a bunch of 3's that cost the Suns a chance at going up 2-0. That said, I think he took it upon himself to add some swagger to the team, since they were called "soft" throughout the whole year and especially in the Lakers series. I thought it was awesome when he called Dirk a "big ass pussy" and blew the kiss because that was the type of attitude the Suns had been missing for years. After Dirk dropped 50, I wasn't so happy he did it to set Dirk off.

Still, to answer your question, I didn't take the Darrell Armstrong mocking to be all that bad because (a) it wasn't the deciding game of the series, (b) Armstrong is a veteran who has paid a lot of dues over the years and always played hard, and (c) I wanted Thomas to get mocked for awkening the 50-pt beast.

It's very ironic to me that posters like dirk4mvp think Suns fans have a huge attachment to Tim Thomas and continue to make fun of us because of what he did. I like him for the shots he hit and the fact that he added a very cheap big body at the end of the season for a depleted Suns front line. Secondly, it was in a contract year, so we all knew he was going to play harder to pull a Jerome James and get someone to pay him a lot of money over the summer. Third, I knew he was a funny guy with some playoff experience, so chemistry-wise he would be a good fit.

However, none of that meant I was extremely upset to see him go this summer because he played lazy defense and got in foul trouble sometimes, didn't crash the boards hard, and took ill-advised shots rather than play the typical Suns' unselfish style of play. He'll always hold a place in Suns history for his shot against the Lakers, but other than, that - he falls into the category of Sam Cassell, Robert Horry and Chucky Brown: talented, but not quite the fit for a long haul.

Now, to further the comparison with the Chargers/Pats game, I maintain that I don't think Armstrong making fun was quite the same because (as I said) it was only game 5. However, I feel the ucontested, rubbing-it-in dunk with about 1 second left by Adrian Griffin in Game 6 last year is akin to the Pat's dancing on the logo. Even the typically clueless Phoenix crowd started booing when that dunk went down because the game was already in hand and players at the other end of the floor started congratulating each other.

(Side note: I became really offended last year when Mavs' fans started blasting our fans because they thought they were being poor sports and booing the Mavs when they were in fact booing Griffin's unsportsmanlike dunk... the people that angered me even more were the fans who tried to deny Griffin even did it! I think Leonard used the term, "Griff is a vet; he would never do that." I'm curious if Griffin is gone because Avery saw that shit and wouldn't stand for it.)

Anyways, back on topic - I think since that dunk came in a deciding game and was unsportsmanlike, it is more like the Pats tramping/dancing on the Chargers' logo in an elimination game and more equal in terms of showing the other team up. I only wish LT were on the Suns to body check Griffin and then call him out in the press conference. Still, Griffin is wasting his days away in Toronto, so there's a little bit of justice there. Now, if Griffin had dunked it and done the Thomas hand wave, then there'd be no contest... haha.

thanks for your reply, we pretty much agree although my bf can't bear to call out the mavs for anything and i can...i'm not saying i'd call out griffin or armstrong but i was trying to get him to see how celebrations can be viewed by the losing teams and their fanbase...i'm very competitive AND unsportsmanlike when it' comes to the sports i've competed in...i won all the time in high school and college but now that i don't do sports competitively i guess i've turned that attitude i have in cheering for the mavs, but don't take anything personally, it's just talk and some of it is light smack

seriously though, thanks for taking the time out to respond

ponky

01-16-2007, 04:16 AM

And Dirk's rolling ankle routine is just as bad as the "Wade acts injured routine"

sure it is, just like nash's back routine and the way he mops up the floor during when he's sitting on the bench....oops, i meant lying down on the floor

Sacramental

01-16-2007, 04:18 AM

i know how nash feels though. i play ball everyday, and your back starts to tighten up real bad out there.

stretch

01-16-2007, 10:23 AM

Mavs just have the best record in the NBA and you have anointed them 2007 Champs already with the majority of your posts... therefore, why can't I use their stellar regular season records since 1968 to argue that they are the better franchise overall? Seems to be congruous to me because you bitch to me that the Suns don't have titles and then you say that using "championships to talk shit is a very weak insult" when the MAVS DON'T HAVE A TITLE EITHER!

So, basically you're using 2 years of the Mavs being tops in the NBA (record-wise) to say they should be the 2007 champs, and I'm simply using 38 years of the Suns being much better than the Mavs to prove I'd rather cheer for a consistent winner than be some bandwagon fan.
*sigh* I would really like for you to show me where I once crowned the Mavs as the Champs this year. I really would. Its really annoying to see post after post of you doing nothing but putting words in my mouth and having nothing to back them up with.

and who gives a shit about who the better franchise overall is? the only thing that matters is how many rings you have. the Mavs have none, and the Suns have none either. they are equally bad. as far as im concerned, the Heat is a better franchise than either, because they have a championship, and neither of us do. and i never once talked shit about the Suns, other than the fact that IMO, they do not play enough defense, and rebound well enough to win a title. that is MY OPINION. thats not talking shit. i never claimed to have a title either, or talked as if the Mavs won a title, as you keep saying. the only shit i talked was about YOU. i say that you are a fucking moron, along with half the other people in this forum.

the bulls won 72 games in 1996. doesnt mean a damn thing today. are you really that ignorant, so as to believe that the history of a team means anything about how good they are today? if thats the case, why do the Celtics suck so much ass? they have more titles than any team in NBA history, yet have been one of the shittiest teams over the past couple years. clearly, history doesnt mean SHIT in this case. all that matters is what is happening today. and right now, the Mavericks are clearly a better team than the Suns. as i have said about 1000 times, all that really matters is the playoffs, and we will have to wait and see what happens then. but it doesnt really matter... all you are going to say is that i annointed the Mavs as champs, that the Suns are better, Mavs choked against the Heat and that used the officiating to make excuses, blah blah blah...

stretch

01-16-2007, 10:27 AM

...and then hypocrite (stretch) comes out and acts like his profanity-laced posts are gospel. Stretch will change his argument from day-to-day and add as many "fuck you's" "fuckwads" or "cocksniffers" to his posts to make it more emphatic. I've never seen someone make an argument and then blast non-Mavs fans who use his same reasoning.

fuck fuck fuck. fucking show me where the fuck i fucking did that fucking shit you fucking fuckfaced fuckheaded fucklick. fuck. i fucking still fucking wonder where the fuck you keep fucking get this fucking shit that you fucking keep fucking putting in my fucking mouth you fucking fucker. and i never fucking called you a fucking "cocksniffer" you fucking fuckwad. fuck, if you are fucking going to fucking quote me you fucker, at least fucking quote me fucking correctly you fuckface.

stretch

01-16-2007, 11:02 AM

my bf and i were disagreeing about the whole LT/dance thing, i think it was fine to celebrate and the bf doesn't so i compared what the pats did to what darrell armstrong did when the mavs beat the suns last season in the playoffs. remember when tim thomas did his hand over the face gesture in game five and mouthed some crap to dirk? well, during the second half when it became apparent that the mavs would win and dirk scored a ridiculous number of points, darrell armstrong was laughing and taunting tim thomas with the hand over the face gesture. would you agree that this is kind of the same thing the pats did to the chargers by doing the merriman dance after winning? i say yes but my bf is a huge mavs homer (worse than me!) and won't admit it

yea, but thats a tad different. first off, football is a bit of a different sport, and what mostly irritated LT was the fact that they did it on the mid-field logo. that is KNOWN to be flat out disrespectful in football. it doesnt matter where you do that, you are going to piss some people off, and probably get hit or something.

what D.A. did was a result of the way that the Suns (Tim Thomas in particular) disrespected the Mavs the entire series with all his non-stop trash talk, and especially considering he still had the nerve to do that, despite Dirk dropping 50 on him the night before. he talked trash, and got owned, and ultimately lost. therefore, the Mavs had all the right in the world to do all the trash talking they wanted after the game, but they chose not to. the only thing they did was D.A. blowing on his hand, and that was simply a shot at the most disrespectful player in the entire series. the same was with the Mavs against the Rockets a couple years ago. they were being very disrespectful by trying to disrespect them publicly, and predicting that they would win the series after game 1. then the Mavs made a remarkable comeback, and beat their asses in game 7. but not once did they talk any kind of trash about them, or act disrespectful in any way. thats how a team shows class.

what the Pats did was simply disrespectful. the Chargers were not publicly talking trash, or doing things that insulted and disrespected the Pats. but when half the team goes and dances on your logo, BEFORE the game is even over, that is flat out disrespectful, even if they won. sure, they are allowed to talk trash and all, since they won, but it doesnt mean its a classy or right thing to do. on the other hand, L.T. shouldnt have done what he did either. he obviously lost his cool, and got upset over the loss, and let their celebration get to him too much. but i give him a pass on this one, because he has never done anything like that before, and all people are imperfect and make mistakes from time to time. that was simply a mistake that L.T. made.

thats just my opinion on that matter.

mabber

01-16-2007, 01:23 PM

Well, here's the deal - everyone, from the coaching staff to the real fans (aka me), wanted Thomas to stop that hand in the face B.S. from the start. Most of that is because we can differentiate the "calm, collected" Thomas who hits a 3 against the Lakers to save the season from the "calm, and very lazy" Thomas who grabs only one rebound in Game 2 against the Mavs and misses a bunch of 3's that cost the Suns a chance at going up 2-0. That said, I think he took it upon himself to add some swagger to the team, since they were called "soft" throughout the whole year and especially in the Lakers series. I thought it was awesome when he called Dirk a "big ass pussy" and blew the kiss because that was the type of attitude the Suns had been missing for years. After Dirk dropped 50, I wasn't so happy he did it to set Dirk off.

Still, to answer your question, I didn't take the Darrell Armstrong mocking to be all that bad because (a) it wasn't the deciding game of the series, (b) Armstrong is a veteran who has paid a lot of dues over the years and always played hard, and (c) I wanted Thomas to get mocked for awkening the 50-pt beast.

It's very ironic to me that posters like dirk4mvp think Suns fans have a huge attachment to Tim Thomas and continue to make fun of us because of what he did. I like him for the shots he hit and the fact that he added a very cheap big body at the end of the season for a depleted Suns front line. Secondly, it was in a contract year, so we all knew he was going to play harder to pull a Jerome James and get someone to pay him a lot of money over the summer. Third, I knew he was a funny guy with some playoff experience, so chemistry-wise he would be a good fit.

However, none of that meant I was extremely upset to see him go this summer because he played lazy defense and got in foul trouble sometimes, didn't crash the boards hard, and took ill-advised shots rather than play the typical Suns' unselfish style of play. He'll always hold a place in Suns history for his shot against the Lakers, but other than, that - he falls into the category of Sam Cassell, Robert Horry and Chucky Brown: talented, but not quite the fit for a long haul.

Now, to further the comparison with the Chargers/Pats game, I maintain that I don't think Armstrong making fun was quite the same because (as I said) it was only game 5. However, I feel the ucontested, rubbing-it-in dunk with about 1 second left by Adrian Griffin in Game 6 last year is akin to the Pat's dancing on the logo. Even the typically clueless Phoenix crowd started booing when that dunk went down because the game was already in hand and players at the other end of the floor started congratulating each other.

(Side note: I became really offended last year when Mavs' fans started blasting our fans because they thought they were being poor sports and booing the Mavs when they were in fact booing Griffin's unsportsmanlike dunk... the people that angered me even more were the fans who tried to deny Griffin even did it! I think Leonard used the term, "Griff is a vet; he would never do that." I'm curious if Griffin is gone because Avery saw that shit and wouldn't stand for it.)

Anyways, back on topic - I think since that dunk came in a deciding game and was unsportsmanlike, it is more like the Pats tramping/dancing on the Chargers' logo in an elimination game and more equal in terms of showing the other team up. I only wish LT were on the Suns to body check Griffin and then call him out in the press conference. Still, Griffin is wasting his days away in Toronto, so there's a little bit of justice there. Now, if Griffin had dunked it and done the Thomas hand wave, then there'd be no contest... haha.

I heard and/or read 3-4 different Mavs comment on Griffin's dunk at the end. First off, Griffin is an incredibly nice guy and is not known for doing shit like that but he probably should have restrained himself in this instance (easy for us to say as we weren't in the heat of the battle). The reason he gave (and other Mav players said same thing) was that a few of the Sun's players were talking all sorts of trash the entire series and were especially talking trash in the 1st half of game 6 when they had the big lead. The Mav players to a man were extremely pissed off about getting their asses kicked at halftime along with having to listen to all the trash talk. They took that anger out on the Suns in the 2nd half and when they finally won the game Griffin did that dunk at the end (while stairing at Thomas at other end of the court). It was way out of character for him or really most of the Mav players (I can see Josh Howard or maybe Stackhouse doing it maybe) but it was the wrong thing to do and I'm sure Avery didn't really appreciate it.

I don't think it had anything to do with Griffin not being re-signed. The Mavs just wanted a Griffin-like defender & rebounder that could also make a 3 pointer so they signed Buckner.

I'm sure Tim Thomas was the main trash-talker but Mav players said there were a few others (but didn't mention names). Regardless, that dunk was the wrong thing to do. I think the Mav players were just really tired of hearing certain players flap their lips.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 04:56 PM

I heard and/or read 3-4 different Mavs comment on Griffin's dunk at the end. First off, Griffin is an incredibly nice guy and is not known for doing shit like that but he probably should have restrained himself in this instance (easy for us to say as we weren't in the heat of the battle). The reason he gave (and other Mav players said same thing) was that a few of the Sun's players were talking all sorts of trash the entire series and were especially talking trash in the 1st half of game 6 when they had the big lead. The Mav players to a man were extremely pissed off about getting their asses kicked at halftime along with having to listen to all the trash talk. They took that anger out on the Suns in the 2nd half and when they finally won the game Griffin did that dunk at the end (while stairing at Thomas at other end of the court). It was way out of character for him or really most of the Mav players (I can see Josh Howard or maybe Stackhouse doing it maybe) but it was the wrong thing to do and I'm sure Avery didn't really appreciate it.

I don't think it had anything to do with Griffin not being re-signed. The Mavs just wanted a Griffin-like defender & rebounder that could also make a 3 pointer so they signed Buckner.

I'm sure Tim Thomas was the main trash-talker but Mav players said there were a few others (but didn't mention names). Regardless, that dunk was the wrong thing to do. I think the Mav players were just really tired of hearing certain players flap their lips.

I can agree with you on a lot of main points, but come at it from a Suns perspective as well. They don't have a lot of talkers out there - Barbosa/Diaw barely say anything; Nash/Marion are pretty quiet too; Bell probably talks some shit, and Amare - probably the main talker now - was on the bench. I think it was in response to a long playoff run for them, getting underappreciated against Lakers and Clippers and now facing elimination at home - so they got snippy. We both have to agree that JET, Josh Howard, and Stack were probably talking some shit too the whole series because that's their style (maybe JET was just "flying around" instead), and the Suns probably started trying to throw it back since they were on the brink of elimination and trying to do whatever they could.

I know one thing, though, the Suns were getting very angry at what they perceived was Josh Howard intentionally trying to trip them up to slow down fast breaks, especially Marion. I saw Howard do this a couple of times, so I know what they're talking about, but it definitely didn't lose the Suns the series. Either way, if they wanted to be real men, they would have used it as motivation to play harder and not sat back whining a little bit. I still maintain that a healthy Raja Bell could have pushed that series to 7 games.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 04:56 PM

fuck fuck fuck. fucking show me where the fuck i fucking did that fucking shit you fucking fuckfaced fuckheaded fucklick. fuck. i fucking still fucking wonder where the fuck you keep fucking get this fucking shit that you fucking keep fucking putting in my fucking mouth you fucking fucker. and i never fucking called you a fucking "cocksniffer" you fucking fuckwad. fuck, if you are fucking going to fucking quote me you fucker, at least fucking quote me fucking correctly you fuckface.

It's difficult to quote you "correctly" because your obnoxious opinions change on an hourly basis. Thanks for putting words in my mouth regarding the championship agrument - it was CelticPride who was trying that line of BS. I was just saying that I've been a Suns fan for a long time and watched A LOT of NBA games and I've seen teams that play "just good enough" defense (which is where the Suns are right now) win a championship.

I didn't just start watching around 1996 (like plenty of people here, I'm sure) where only defense won championships, and I'm glad to see the cycle come back around where teams started fast breaking and there's a newfound emphasis on offensive skill. The only difference is that Europeans (whose style is probably 10 years behind the current NBA anyways) kept playing a fast breaking style of the 80s, so the young players from overseas who grew up in that mold can fit right into today's "old-school" NBA.

stretch

01-16-2007, 05:05 PM

It's difficult to quote you "correctly" because your obnoxious opinions change on an hourly basis.

if you cant quote me, then STFU.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 05:06 PM

if you cant quote me, then STFU.

I can quote what you're feeling for this one moment - but that's going to change tomorrow when you come in and say "Danny Granger did get fouled" or something like that.

mabber

01-16-2007, 05:07 PM

I can agree with you on a lot of main points, but come at it from a Suns perspective as well. They don't have a lot of talkers out there - Barbosa/Diaw barely say anything; Nash/Marion are pretty quiet too; Bell probably talks some shit, and Amare - probably the main talker now - was on the bench. I think it was in response to a long playoff run for them, getting underappreciated against Lakers and Clippers and now facing elimination at home - so they got snippy. We both have to agree that JET, Josh Howard, and Stack were probably talking some shit too the whole series because that's their style (maybe JET was just "flying around" instead), and the Suns probably started trying to throw it back since they were on the brink of elimination and trying to do whatever they could.

I know one thing, though, the Suns were getting very angry at what they perceived was Josh Howard intentionally trying to trip them up to slow down fast breaks, especially Marion. I saw Howard do this a couple of times, so I know what they're talking about, but it definitely didn't lose the Suns the series. Either way, if they wanted to be real men, they would have used it as motivation to play harder and not sat back whining a little bit. I still maintain that a healthy Raja Bell could have pushed that series to 7 games.

I'm not defending Griffin's actions, just telling you what I heard and read.

I do know for a fact that no one on the Mavs talks much smack. Avery won't allow it. Plus, I'm a season ticket holder and go to most games and my seats are in lower corner so I hear who's talking and who's not. Mav players don't say much at all unless it's Dirk bitching to the refs. Josh Howard & Stackhouse will do some questionable things physically...I'll grant you that. Most of it is in retailation as Avery doesn't want them to be pushed around anymore.

I'm guessing the majority of the smack talk was coming from Tim Thomas. He's just one of those players that needs to run his mouth a lot. There are lots of players like that out there.

stretch

01-16-2007, 05:08 PM

I know one thing, though, the Suns were getting very angry at what they perceived was Josh Howard intentionally trying to trip them up to slow down fast breaks, especially Marion.

OMG, MORE EXCUSES?!?!?! you really are a miserably worthless piece of shit.

stretch

01-16-2007, 05:09 PM

I can quote what you're feeling for this one moment - but that's going to change tomorrow when you come in and say "Danny Granger did get fouled" or something like that.
i have no idea what you are talking about, especially since i never said a word about Danny Granger. i simply said that you whine and bitch too damn much, instead of saying that the better team won, which is obviously what happened. the Mavs made plays when they needed them, and the Pacers didnt. end of story.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 05:13 PM

OMG, MORE EXCUSES?!?!?! you really are a miserably worthless piece of shit.

So your fans can complain that Suns "were talking shit" and that's why Griffin showed no class at the end of the series, but I can't quote Shawn Marion, James Jones, and Leandro Barbosa about your wannabe All-Star forward?

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 05:14 PM

i have no idea what you are talking about, especially since i never said a word about Danny Granger. i simply said that you whine and bitch too damn much, instead of saying that the better team won, which is obviously what happened. the Mavs made plays when they needed them, and the Pacers didnt. end of story.

I'm referencing the other thread where you said Nash wouldn't/shouldn't win MVP about 3 weeks ago, and then now, you say he's the "front-runner"

BradLohaus

01-16-2007, 05:14 PM

the Mavs made plays when they needed them, and the Pacers didnt. end of story.

Just like DWade made plays when he needed to in Miami and the Mavs didn't.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 05:15 PM

I'm not defending Griffin's actions, just telling you what I heard and read.

I do know for a fact that no one on the Mavs talks much smack. Avery won't allow it. Plus, I'm a season ticket holder and go to most games and my seats are in lower corner so I hear who's talking and who's not. Mav players don't say much at all unless it's Dirk bitching to the refs. Josh Howard & Stackhouse will do some questionable things physically...I'll grant you that. Most of it is in retailation as Avery doesn't want them to be pushed around anymore.

I'm guessing the majority of the smack talk was coming from Tim Thomas. He's just one of those players that needs to run his mouth a lot. There are lots of players like that out there.

You must not be listening hard enough. Avery trash talks in press conferences (he veils it with terms like "bear-hug", but still does). You need to watch Howard and Stack more closely next time - they might not be as loud as Dirk or Tim Thomas, but they're definitely in the ears of opponents.

mabber

01-16-2007, 05:16 PM

Just like DWade made plays when he needed to in Miami and the Mavs didn't.

I'm trying to forget that recent part of Mav history and you're not helping :depressed

BradLohaus

01-16-2007, 05:17 PM

I'm trying to forget that recent part of Mav history and you're not helping :depressed

I was just kidding. I know the refs screwed the Mavs.

stretch

01-16-2007, 05:18 PM

So your fans can complain that Suns "were talking shit" and that's why Griffin showed no class at the end of the series, but I can't quote Shawn Marion, James Jones, and Leandro Barbosa about your wannabe All-Star forward?
hmm. i never complained about them talking shit. and i dont think that mabber was complaining either. he was simply giving a possibly reason as to why Griffin did that last dunk.

oh, and i dont see how he can be a wannabe All-Star forward, considering he has been an all-star for 5 straight years, and has made All-NBA teams 6 straight years (two straight 1st team appearances as well). he finished 3rd in MVP voting 2 straight years, as well as a finals appearance. thats a pretty solid resume so far, considering he is just now reaching his prime.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 05:18 PM

I was just kidding. I know the refs screwed the Mavs.

Don't say that around stretch - anything about the refs makes you vulnerable to a "fuck fuck fuck" attack.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 05:19 PM

hmm. i never complained about them talking shit. and i dont think that mabber was complaining either. he was simply giving a possibly reason as to why Griffin did that last dunk.

oh, and i dont see how he can be a wannabe All-Star forward, considering he has been an all-star for 5 straight years, and has made All-NBA teams 6 straight years (two straight 1st team appearances as well). he finished 3rd in MVP voting 2 straight years, as well as a finals appearance. thats a pretty solid resume so far, considering he is just now reaching his prime.

I was talking about Josh Howard, but try to keep up next time.

stretch

01-16-2007, 05:20 PM

I'm referencing the other thread where you said Nash wouldn't/shouldn't win MVP about 3 weeks ago, and then now, you say he's the "front-runner"
i dont recall anything about saying that he shouldnt win MVP. i MAY have said something about why he wouldnt, just because he has won it 2 straight years, and Stern is a fucking moron and wouldnt mind jobbing someone who deserves it, just so he can make guys like Kobe and Wade look like God's of the NBA.

either way, once again, if you are going to reference things i say, quote me. until then, shut the fuck up.

stretch

01-16-2007, 05:22 PM

Don't say that around stretch - anything about the refs makes you vulnerable to a "fuck fuck fuck" attack.
no. thats just you. im not going to say whether or not the refs screwed the Mavs. once again, all you have to do is watch the replays, and any fucking moron can determine that for themselves. the fact is, the Mavs lost the Finals on their own shitty play. not officiating. end of story.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 05:24 PM

hmm. i never complained about them talking shit. and i dont think that mabber was complaining either. he was simply giving a possibly reason as to why Griffin did that last dunk.

oh, and i dont see how he can be a wannabe All-Star forward, considering he has been an all-star for 5 straight years, and has made All-NBA teams 6 straight years (two straight 1st team appearances as well). he finished 3rd in MVP voting 2 straight years, as well as a finals appearance. thats a pretty solid resume so far, considering he is just now reaching his prime.

Quoting how retarded you are again.... talking about Josh Howard still...

mabber

01-16-2007, 05:26 PM

You must not be listening hard enough. Avery trash talks in press conferences (he veils it with terms like "bear-hug", but still does). You need to watch Howard and Stack more closely next time - they might not be as loud as Dirk or Tim Thomas, but they're definitely in the ears of opponents.

I hear everything on the court at my end. Unless you're saying that Josh & Stack only talk trash on the one side of the court :lol Not even sure where you're getting the Avery talks trash crap? He might complain from time to time about calls (what coach doesn't?) but he certainly doesn't talk any trash during the game or in any press conferences.

Side notes...Stockton & Malone bitched about calls more than any players I've ever seen play. I even remember them continually whining about calls during a preseason game I was at in Dallas.

Larry Bird talked as much or more trash as any player that I've seen play to date. Yes, I'm old. I lived in Boston during high school back when Bird was drafted and played his 1st couple of seasons. I used to go with my dad to games (corporate tickets on the floor) and Bird ran his mouth a lot.

RonMexico

01-16-2007, 07:38 PM

I hear everything on the court at my end. Unless you're saying that Josh & Stack only talk trash on the one side of the court :lol Not even sure where you're getting the Avery talks trash crap? He might complain from time to time about calls (what coach doesn't?) but he certainly doesn't talk any trash during the game or in any press conferences.

Side notes...Stockton & Malone bitched about calls more than any players I've ever seen play. I even remember them continually whining about calls during a preseason game I was at in Dallas.

Larry Bird talked as much or more trash as any player that I've seen play to date. Yes, I'm old. I lived in Boston during high school back when Bird was drafted and played his 1st couple of seasons. I used to go with my dad to games (corporate tickets on the floor) and Bird ran his mouth a lot.

Oh, I know about all those guys - Barkley used to talk for the Suns, etc. I don't know how close you are down there, but from my seat in front of the television I've seen Howard/Stack mouthing things before (maybe just whispers). I'll be close to the Suns bench at the Rockets game tomorrow, so we can compare notes.

stretch

01-17-2007, 12:15 AM

Quoting how retarded you are again.... talking about Josh Howard still...
oh, well my apologies. however the fact is, we were talking about you making excuses. not what the Suns said about what Howard was doing. you made shitty excuses. that was my point.

ponky

01-17-2007, 12:17 AM

uh, wgaf about trash talking? it's part of the game....not to mention, fun!