Matt Bonner Torn Left MCL

[timvp]

I am at the game and didn't know if they told you on TV.

[timvp]

Sorry that was me --Kori

[Spurs Brazil]

Sad

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Fuck.

[MannyIsGod]

Man, that sucks incredibly hard for Bonner and the Spurs. Wow, thats horrible news.

[MannyIsGod]

I feel really bad for Bonner considering he's in a contract year. Man, what a shitty break.

[ChumpDumper]

Dust off Williams.

[MannyIsGod]

They just said on TV that they gave him a 2-6 week timetable? What the fuck? Slight tear?

[Leetonidas]

Free Flight White!

(Like that'll happen :lol )

But damn, I hope Matt gets well. He has been awesome for us.

[Spurs Brazil]

Out 2-6 weeks, not that bad

[MannyIsGod]

2-6 weeks at this point is bad. Maybe not as bad as out for athe year, but its bad. The next month and a half will be a time when rotations are nailed down and hopefully the team starts to gel. Bonner being out hurts him as far as being in rotations goes, not to mention if he can come back full strength.

[timvp]

He's having an MRI on Sunday. They will announce a real timeline for his return after that.
--Kori

[MannyIsGod]

So that timeline is just BS? They must have some basis for it. It is rather wide (from 2 to six weeks) but I wonder what the basis for it is.

[timvp]

They didn't pull that timeline out of the air, but they said they will have a more definitive time after the MRI on Sunday.

[midgetonadonkey]

Poor ginger.

[ChumpDumper]

That's probably how long those have taken in the past.

[MannyIsGod]

Gotcha.

[MannyIsGod]

I knew it was bad the moment they took him off the court. This blows man. I hate to see him out.

[timvp]

Got damn it.

:pctoss

[Pistons < Spurs]

What will you all give us for Nazr? :)

[Rubberducky]

"The athletes are followed closely and monitored for their advancement in the protocol. They are allowed to return back to participation once they have regained full strength, have no swelling in the knee, and have evidence of healing of their MCL tear (based on no evidence of instability on physical exam). The general time frame that is involved is 1 2 weeks for Grade I tears, 3 4 weeks for Grade II tears, and 4 6 weeks for Grade III tears."

[ChumpDumper]

What will you all give us for Nazr? :)Nothing. I'd rather use Williams and Butler.

[Russ]

He'll probably be out less time than Elson.

[timvp]

If Bonner doesn't have surgery, I'd guess he's out until March. If he has surgery, he's out for the season.

[PM5K]

That's unfortunate, he'd been earning and receiving more minutes as the season went on and his numbers had improved with the additional minutes...

[ABDENOUR POWER]

I feel really bad for Bonner considering he's in a contract year. Man, what a shitty break.

Tear, actually. :spin

[Rubberducky]

If Bonner doesn't have surgery, I'd guess he's out until March. If he has surgery, he's out for the season.

If there's no other damage besides the MCL, no surgery is required, and the max recovery time is usually 6 weeks.

[spurschick]

What will you all give us for Nazr? :)

You can have ploto.

[VaSpursFan]

fuck...that sucks. bonner was playing really well. the way he left the court, it looked like a season ending injury. somehow, i think this will end up being a torn ACL, i really, really hope i'm wrong.

[1Parker1]

You can have ploto.

:lol Pistons would be dumb to make that trade...

[MannyIsGod]

You can have ploto.:lmao

[TDMVPDPOY]

with or without bonner, we are not goin to win it all this year

its still not too late to tank the season

[SequSpur]

Sign Chris Webber.

I feel bad for Bonner's injury, but dude is not that good.

[Borosai]

That sucks.

[midgetonadonkey]

I think they should trade for 1992 Michael Jordan.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

C-Webb....

[Texas_Ranger]

White should start playing.

[themvp]

Hang up Red Rocket.

[Big Shot Rob]

What is a Collateral Ligament Tear?
Ligaments are those structures within us that connect one bone to another. They are strong bands of tissue that add strength and give stability to a joint.

The collateral ligaments in the knee connect the femur (thighbone) to the tibia (shinbone). They're supposed to limit the side-to-side motion of the knee. But, when they get stretched too far, they can tear.

There are four ligaments in the knee. Two are called collateral ligaments and the other two are cruciate ligaments.

The collateral ligaments, called the MCL for medial collateral ligament and the LCL for lateral collateral ligament are found on the sides of the knees.

The MCL is also known as the tibial collateral ligament. This ligament helps the inner part of our knee to stay stable by connecting the femur to the tibia. The lateral collateral ligament, or LCL, which connects the femur to the fibula, on the other side of the knee can also be torn, but it is less common than the medial collateral ligament. The LCL is also called the fibular collateral ligament.

The two other ligaments, the cruciate ligaments, are crossed over the center of the knee. Often, with a tear of the MCL, the anterior cruciate ligament (or ACL) is also torn.

Causes of a Collateral Ligament Tear?
The cause of an injury to the medial collateral ligament is a blow to the outer side of the knee that pushes the knee inward. This is frequent in contact sports like football or hockey. The blow stretches and most often tears the ligament on the inner side of the knee. Another cause of collateral ligament injury is twisting of a joint in the knee and tearing its ligaments.

To help prevent injuries to collateral ligaments, doctors encourage warming up before participating in sports or exercising. Specifically, one should stretch the quadriceps (muscles in the front of the thigh) and the hamstrings (muscles in the back of the thigh) and work on strengthening the leg muscles. One should also wear properly fitting shoes. In the case a person has flat feet or feet that roll inward, wearing special shoe inserts, called orthotics, is recommended.

The tear may occur in the middle of the ligament, or it may occur where the collateral ligament attaches to the bone, on either end. If the force is great enough other ligaments may also be torn.

Sprains are pulls or partial tears of muscles or ligaments. Ligament sprains vary in severity from minor tears in a few fibers of ligament to complete tears of entire ligaments and loss of the use of a joint. The severity of the tear determines what the injury is graded. When the knee is stressed, a grade I tear is present if the joint space opening is less than 5 millimeters. A grade II sprain is diagnosed if the space is between 5 and 10 millimeters, and a grade III is diagnosed if the space is greater than 10 millimeters. A grade II tear is considered a partial tear, and a grade III is considered a complete tear.

As is often the case with sprains, the pain increases with the seriousness of the sprain. A mild sprain is usually accompanied by minimal pain, tenderness, swelling at the sprain site, and no loss of the use of the joint. With a moderate sprain, the pain may be enough that the patient does not want to use his or her knee. Symptoms of this level sprain also include swelling and some loss of the use of the joint. A severe sprain means severe pain, noticeable loss of the use of the joint and immediate swelling. In some type III injuries the joint capsule and synovia are torn so severely that minimal swelling occurs because the blood leaves through the tear in the capsule and ligament.

Symptoms of a Collateral Ligament Tear?


Swelling and/or stiffness of the knee
Pain and tenderness over the ligament
Instability of the knee when standing or attempting to walk
May feel “locking” or “popping” of the knee
May feel knee buckle sideways
Bruising
In the case of a ligament sprain, the pain increases with the seriousness of the sprain. A mild sprain is usually accompanied by minimal pain, tenderness, swelling at the sprain site, and no loss of the use of the joint. With a moderate sprain, the pain may be enough that the patient does not want to use his or her knee. Symptoms of this level sprain also include swelling and some loss of the use of the joint. A severe sprain means severe pain, noticeable loss of the use of the joint and immediate swelling

Treatments of a Collateral Ligament Tear?
X-rays often will show torn ligaments when the knee is stressed. Also, an MRI or magnetic resonance imaging pictures will let physicians look at the soft tissues around the knee to confirm the collateral ligament tear and see if there might be other injuries as well.

An orthopaedic surgeon commonly examines the healthy knee first and then compares it to the injured knee. When diagnosing a collateral ligament injury, the physician puts pressure on the side of the knee to determine the degree of pain and looseness of the joint.

An orthopedic surgeon may also choose arthroscopy, a surgical procedure where the surgeon makes a small incision in the skin. The surgeon then inserts a tiny instrument, an arthroscope, which contains a small lens and lighting system to magnify the structures inside the joint. A miniature television camera is attached to the arthroscope to display the image of the joint on a television screen. This allows the surgeon to determine the type of injury and repair the problem.

All MCL injuries are likely to heal so treatment is usually conservative. The average healing time for a grade I sprain is two weeks if the patient sticks to a program of resting, icing, using compression and elevating. A patient should ice for twenty to thirty minutes, three to four times per day for one week or until his or her symptoms are gone. A doctor may prescribe anti-inflammatory medicine and may even order the patient to use crutches. Treatment for grade II and III sprains is similar to that for a grade I sprain, with the addition of a hinged brace and some weightbearing if the patient can tolerate the pain associated with it. With a grade III sprain, healing may take up to four weeks. The physician may recommend a rehabilitation program.

In the case of a grade I or II collateral ligament tear, doctors are likely to brace the knee for four to six weeks. A grade III tear may require surgery and then three months of bracing. Physical therapy may be necessary before resuming full activity.

Instability of the knee following a collateral ligament injury is uncommon. However, chronic pain and a proneness to re-injure the knee may occur.

When the sprain is also a tear, most likely, you'll need a brace. In the case of a grade I or II collateral ligament tear, the brace will be worn for four to six weeks. Physical therapy may be necessary before resuming full activity. At the beginning the therapy will work on range of motion and as your healing progresses, you'll do more, including bicycling to restore the full range of motion. Quadriceps exercises are also important. The quad muscles, located in your thigh, can be used to strengthen the knee joint.

If the knee is still sore when therapy begins, the exercises need to be done slowly and carefully so as not to irritate the injury even more. Once you learn the exercises, you can do them at home and this will help improve the motion. As the pain decreases, you can begin more exercises, including lots of stretching.

For severe grade III tears, or when other injuries are also present, surgery and then three months of bracing may be needed.

Surgery for Collateral Ligament Tear?
One reason knee surgery is recommended is to avoid later problems with knee instability. We use our knees to help stand, sit, walk - just about everything. And instability leads not only to inconvenience, but also to falls that could then cause other injuries.

Surgery to repair a torn collateral ligament is not overly complex. Usually, the orthopaedic surgeon makes a small incision over the area where the tear is. Then, either stitches or staples are used to fix the tear. For instance, if the ligament has completely torn away from the bone, it needs to be reattached. Staples are pretty useful for that. On the other hand, if the ligament is still attached to the bones but has tears in the middle, stitching it back together is usually all that is required.

The rehabilitation process is a bit longer after surgery of course. But, it still begins with strengthening exercises. A set of exercises called closed kinetic exercises may be used. These exercises require that your foot stay firmly on the floor while you move your body in various ways to use the muscles around the knee. This builds those muscles up, but doesn't put stress on any of the ligaments in the area. Stepping and squatting are some examples. Again, range of motion exercises will also be important. And bicycling is one of the best. And the quadriceps exercises will also be done.

Instability of the knee following a collateral ligament injury is uncommon. However, chronic pain and a proneness to re-injure the knee may occur. If chronic instability does become a problem, the surgical reconstruction might be necessary. This procedure works to tighten or replace loose ligaments. Most often this is done with a tendon graft.

Possible Complications of Collateral Ligament Tear Surgery?
As with any surgery, you must weigh the risks and potential benefits, and decide whether or not to have the surgery performed. Because this is not a life or death decision, it is solely your decision to make.

Some of the potential complications include:


injury to nerves and blood vessels
chronic pain
In addition, surgery to repair a torn ligament carries with it the normal risks of any elective surgery, including:


risks of anesthesia, including death
excessive bleeding
blood clots
infection
You should carefully consider these risks along with the possible advantages of the surgery, and weigh them carefully. Because the rehabilitation process requires so much effort on your part, it is important that you have a positive attitude if you decide to have the surgery.
A successful repair of a torn ligament can mean a return to activity that you may have given up because of pain, but only after a long recovery process that will require a great deal of work and rehabilitation.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Bring on Jackie Butler.

But this sucks for Bonner.

[Phenomanul]

Sign Chris Webber.


Ditto...

[T Park]

Butler won't see shit for PT.

See you middle of April matt.

So much for him making a contribution in the playoffs.


This team is severly screwed.

[Sam]

Did someone knock into him or did he get pushed or what? They didn't show it on Sportscenter just now.

[bigfundamental21]

This couldn't come at a worse time for Bonner. He was playing so well and gaining confidence. I hope Elson will be back soon.

[ChumpDumper]

I think it's a good opportunity to decide whether to keep Williams or not. If not, he could be traded or there are a couple of tweeners left in the D-League that have some potential.

[bigfundamental21]

Someone fell into him while he was under the basket. It happened real quick, but he immediately grabbed his knee and had to be carried off.

[AFBlue]

What's more likely...a trade or more PT for Butler?

[ponky]

are most spurs fans just feeling sorry for him because he's a nice, likeable guy or is this a big loss for the spurs? i don't remember him playing much the last time we matched up

[ChumpDumper]

He had been playing his best ball of the season. It usually takes newcomers some amount of time to adapt to the Spurs' system and Bonner looked like he was beginning to find his place in it.

[ponky]

He had been playing his best ball of the season. It usually takes newcomers some amount of time to adapt to the Spurs' system and Bonner looked like he was beginning to find his place in it.


I see. Well, I don't like injuries for any baller because it makes for boring basketball and it's not cool, so I hope you guys get Elson/Bonner back very soon.

[SAtown]

Bring on Jackie Butler.

But this sucks for Bonner.

Agreed. Time to unleash the Butler Beast.

[remingtonbo2001]

Hop into the Hyperbaric Oxygen Chamber as soon as possible......It cuts back the healing time anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2...I believe that's how Tim was able to return so quickly from the reoccuring sprains in 05.

[Solid D]

Did someone knock into him or did he get pushed or what? They didn't show it on Sportscenter just now.

Caron Butler was driving and Manu took the charge. As Butler was falling, Bonner was on the other side of the lane and as the ball was loose, Matt was starting to jump. When he jumped, it looked like his left knee hit the leg of one of the Wizards. Butler fell at Bonner's feet when Matt landed but the injury appeared (to me) to happen as Matt was going up, not coming down. It may have been that the jumping motion was started and the contact on Matt's kneecap caused the tear in the ligament.

BTW, ACL tears occur frequently in basketball when a player jumps up, even without contact. Hopefully it's not that.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, Butler will more than likely be active now. I doubt he'll play much, but if the Spurs can blow some teams out maybe he'll see some on the court time.

[boutons_]

"Someone fell into him while he was under the basket"

That's how Manu hurt Dirk in 03
and how Yao cracked his upper tibia recently.

[mikeanthony21]

I wonder if someone's speed dialing Chris Webber. :pctoss

[Solid D]

I just watched the replay in super slo motion on the baseline replay and it definitely looked like Butler's hip/upper leg hit Bonner's knee just as Bonner was jumping up. The left leg appears to bend inward at the knee, so I'm fairly sure that's where the tear occurred.

[mikeanthony21]

What will you all give us for Nazr? :)

I think you should ask what we'd TAKE for Nazr! :drunk

[Pugglekicker_21]

I knew it was bad the moment they took him off the court. This blows man. I hate to see him out.



Yep they had to carry him off

[Pugglekicker_21]

Did someone knock into him or did he get pushed or what? They didn't show it on Sportscenter just now.



his knee hit someones head in the back and he collapsed

[duncanchick21]

I Hope You Get Well Soon Red Rocket!!! The Team Needs You!!! Go Spurs Go!!! :spin

[Solid D]

his knee hit someones head in the back and he collapsed

He didn't hit anyone's head and he didn't collapse. He stayed on his feet.

[veronicamae]

damn, i was wondering what happened!! i was at the game and had no idea - they didn't show a replay either. all of a sudden he was bent over trying to stand and then they're carrying him out.

daaamn ouch. :(

[timvp]

If Bonner can make it back by March 1, he'll be fine. It just sucks because this was the perfect part of the season to see if he's a player who could help in the playoffs or not.

The silver lining is that the Spurs will get a chance to see if Horry has anything left in the tank. And perhaps Williams or Butler can step up and do something. It should also be easier to get Elson in there and playing whenever he decides to get back on the court.

Hopefully there is no additional damage shown in the MRI and he's able to make it back for SPAM.

[T Park]

It should also be easier to get Elson in there and playing whenever he decides to get back on the court.


Yeah cause, them shoulder injuries, gotta ignore the docs and just play with em.

[timvp]

A bad thing about this injury is it limits the Spurs' options on the trade deadline. Bonner has probably the most tradeable contract on the team. With him injured, the chances of landing Maggette became even less.

[Das Texan]

Sucks for Matt.


Get well soon adn be ready for the playoff push bro.

[whottt]

I pretty much agree with TimVP's take on Bonner coming back or not...with one additional caveat...if Bonner isn't out for the season I will be thoroughly amazed...MCL or not.

[angel_luv]

Get well soon Bonner. :)

[Dre_7]

Butler time. Lets see what he can do.

[bringBAKElie]

all of our trades are dead outside of beno for a sack of shit and finley for a blind man that couldnt hit the broad side of a barn

[bringBAKElie]

this should be Butler time, however i dont think it will happen. as good a coach as Pop is he doesnt give guys like Butler a chance see Raja Bell

[wildbill2u]

Six weeks takes us to March and then Bonner would have to get into game shape. He may not be out for the season, but this is a setback. Our frontline bench is shaky at best and we could lose some ground in the West. Lose a few games by a couple of points and you wind up down in eighth place.

So, what to do? Unlike some people, I don't see Butler as a replacement for Bonner. He can't do what Bonner did at all. Butler's strictly a center project and he can't play on the outside and spread the floor with his shooting. Similarly, putting him defensively on a forward is ludicrous.

So we're left with Horry and Williams at the wings--or possibly a call up of White. None of these guys is a PF. Horry can't and shouldn't be playing many minutes in my opinion. White is an athlete but without an outside shot and suspect defense. Williams will get some time but how much help will he bring? I hope he surprises all of us.

Let's hope Pop and the FO figure something out. Webber?

[VaSpursFan]

losing bonner is a serious blow...webber would be a decent fit because he's used to playing the high post from his days with vlade. i hope Pop has a decent contingency plan.

[wildbill2u]

Webber may be close to making deal with Pistons. I didn't know Detroit was his hometown. See http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvFs_o3buRspN2ExOK5LoK.8vLYF?slug=aw-webber011107&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Realistically, I don't think Webber sees us as one of his prime destination choices--even if our FO was to reassess the situation after Bonner's injury.

[boutons_]

"Webber sees us as one of his prime destination choices"

He said he want to play for an Title contender, and didn't say what is probably also true: in a big city. He's done the smal town stuff (Sacramento). I'd be surprised if he is considering what most of the country, esp the coasts and big urban centers, considers a hick, podunk town.

[mountainballer]

isn't this a moment to even more try to get the long SF, who could also play some PF (and take some of the minutes of Bonner)
in other words: IMO a Khryapa aquisation would look better than ever.

edit: damn, Khryapa just delivered a nice game last night, when Nocioni was out.
might remind the Bulls, that he is a waste on the inactive list (where his trade value isn't exactly very high)

[gospursgojas]

This injury sucks for Bonner, but don't make it bigger than it is.

[wildbill2u]

"Webber sees us as one of his prime destination choices"

He said he want to play for an Title contender, and didn't say what is probably also true: in a big city. He's done the smal town stuff (Sacramento). I'd be surprised if he is considering what most of the country, esp the coasts and big urban centers, considers a hick, podunk town.
You should have used all my sentence if you were going to quote in context:

"Realistically, I don't think Webber sees us as one of his prime destination choices--even if our FO was to reassess the situation after Bonner's injury."

The partial quote you used was completely contrary to my opinion expressed.

[Leetonidas]

^Pwned

[MannyIsGod]

You should have used all my sentence if you were going to quote in context:

"Realistically, I don't think Webber sees us as one of his prime destination choices--even if our FO was to reassess the situation after Bonner's injury."

The partial quote you used was completely contrary to my opinion expressed.Its boutons. He's bitter and he sucks. But it is cool that he shares his slingbox with the people on the forum, so I guess he's not that bad.

[boutons_]

willbill, esssay, MIG.

"You should have used all my sentence if you were going to quote in context:"

Since when does quoting mean disagreeing?

I was agreeing with your post, just using your quote as a starting point, adding my "small town" angle.

All 3 of you go fuck yourselves, esp. the 2 chickenshits who piled on.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

willbill, esssay, MIG.

"You should have used all my sentence if you were going to quote in context:"

Since when does quoting mean disagreeing?

I was agreeing with your post, just using your quote as a starting point, adding my "small town" angle.

All 3 of you go fuck yourselves, esp. the 2 chickenshits who piled on.

That's the boutons we all know and hate. :tu

[Solid D]

Have you visited boutons' website yet?

http://www.lemonysnicket.com/

http://www.lemonysnicket.com/images/jackets/small/0060872357.gif

[Amuseddaysleeper]

What's wrong with boutons? Ok, he's pessimistic as a lot of posters are, but am I missing something here?

[boutons_]

Aggie is another chickenshit who piles on more than he posts substance.

[Rubberducky]

What's wrong with boutons? Ok, he's pessimistic as a lot of posters are, but am I missing something here?

Are you blind?

Formal synopsis: He purposefully changed the intended message of a poster by including only a portion of the quote, thereby creating a misconception that he could use for his own benefit, since he couldn't find a post more aligned with his viewpoint.

Layman's synopsis: The "chicken shit" tried to get over, hoping nobody would notice.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Am i the only forum member who thoroughly enjoys boutons: the multimedia spur's slapstick flavor of comedy?

[Solid D]

We love boutons. boutons is our Forum brother. Some people see the glass half full. Some people see the glass half empty. Then there is boutons...who thinks that the glass should have been full all along without losing a single drop.

[SequSpur]

Are we still talking about this guy? I am willing to go out on a limb and state that Bonner's absence will have no effect on the regular season.

[ducks]

this sucks
only good thing is spurs still have time to make a trade

[BERSERK]

Everytime there's talks of the spurs making a trade, i'm sure some fans will always give the sign of disapproval.



http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7839/batistathumbsdown13sy.gif

[Amarelooms]

Spurs fans worried about losing Matt F'n Bonner...oh my how the mighty have fallen lol. What's next gonna give up if Beno gets hurt lol

[Solid D]

Spurs fans worried about losing Matt F'n Bonner...oh my how the mighty have fallen lol. What's next gonna give up if Beno gets hurt lol

We always pay attention to the details, at every slot, every year.

[ChumpDumper]

Good to see mavfan religiously following our team.

[Amarelooms]

We always pay attention to the details, at every slot, every year.

Really...pay attention to details? Well how about not fouling when you're up 3...seems like a kinda important detail there lol

[Solid D]

Elevate from Troll please.

[ChumpDumper]

Incapable.

[Marcus Bryant]

:lol

Mark Cuban has a daily count of Devin Harris' pubic hairs and Mavs fan wants to talk?

[LEONARD]

Kori = Timvp? :dizzy

[Solid D]

Kori = Timvp? :dizzy

"and the two shall become one flesh..." - Mark 10:8

[Bruno]

Get well soon, white Grand Prix.