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Solid D
01-19-2007, 01:01 AM
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Spurs have many concerns: Defense, shooting, athleticism and bench are in need of a boost

Web Posted: 01/18/2007 10:59 PM CST

Johnny Ludden
Express-News

An afternoon of film and practice — four-on-five drills not included — having convinced them they have more to fix than broken jump shots, the Spurs left work Thursday determined to at least correct their mindset.
The Spurs have lost their past two games, five of nine this month and 13 for the season, four more than they had on this date last year. Not even tonight's date with the visiting New Orleans Hornets — sans Chris Paul, David West and Peja Stojakovic — looks as appealing as it did three weeks ago.

"We're not playing very well right now," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said, stating the obvious. "We're playing in spurts. You guys can say, 'Why is that?' Well, I don't know. If I knew, we'd be winning every game.

"Teams go through that. We're working hard to improve on the things we do poorly."

And that's not a short list these days. The Spurs' defense looked formidable in the final six minutes of Wednesday's 100-96 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers, forcing eight turnovers to erase a 10-point deficit, but was equally spotty for the rest of the evening.

"We didn't play with that ferocity the first three quarters," Popovich said. "We have to figure out how to do that."

The Spurs hope to regain Francisco Elson, who could provide some energy, even if, as expected, he's available only on a limited basis.

Elson went through his first contact practice in almost a month Thursday. His right shoulder was a little sore after the workout, but Popovich is optimistic he's be cleared for tonight's game.

"He's a big part of our plans for down the road and he has to get used to the system and people have to get used to him," Popovich said. "He was making real good strides, so we're real anxious to get him back in there."

But even with Elson returns to full health, the Spurs know he's not the answer to all their problems. After leading the league in 3-point accuracy for much of the season, the Spurs have gone 12 for 45 the past two games, raising questions about whether they have become too reliant on the shot.

Popovich said he hasn't been too concerned with the shot selection as much as the misses.

Ball movement also has become a problem at times, namely because it sometimes hasn't moved from the hands of Tony Parker and Tim Duncan. Manu Ginobili didn't attempt his first shot Wednesday until 11 minutes into the game. The Spurs' three stars accounted for 15 of the team's 19 turnovers.

Bruce Bowen even seemed overly determined Wednesday to initiate the offense, a skill that probably doesn't merit an entry on his career résumé.

"It's just little things," Bowen said. "It's not necessarily that because you lost focus, you took a bad shot at that moment. It might be shortcutting a play. Where if you didn't shortcut a play, we might get a layup instead of a jump shot."

The Spurs also continue to hurt for production from their bench. Even as his minutes fluctuate, Brent Barry has been the only thing close to a consistent scorer — which might explain why he's also one of the few role players with any trade value. Beno Udrih put together a pair of solid performances only to slip back Wednesday.

As they have for much of the past six weeks, the Spurs lacked an edge to their game Wednesday. They continue to drift for stretches while trying to force the action during others.

To improve, Ginobili said, the Spurs must regain their focus and play with a greater sense of urgency.

"When we play good 'D,' when we play aggressive, shots are going to fall," Ginobili said. "The same way they were falling 10 games ago. I don't think it has anything to do with the X's and O's or shots. It's just inside of us.

"I believe this team has it. I believe we're going to come back and be who we really are."

That could be good or bad, considering the Spurs still seem to lack an identity.

Last season, the Spurs didn't lose their 13th game until March 7. The Spurs already have seven losses at home, the same number they totaled for all of last season.

Yet with a month until the trade deadline and nearly three months left before the playoffs, the Spurs still think they have time to fix what needs fixing. At least, that's what they're telling themselves.

"I think if you just want to look at the record we're usually a little bit better than we are this year," Popovich said. "It makes you think, are we taking some things for granted?

"But I'm sure everyone's noticed Dallas, Phoenix and Houston are very good basketball teams and, at this point, better than we are. So we have a ways to go."

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CHARTING THE SPURS

After the Spurs suffered a 100-96 loss to the Lakers on Wednesday, coach Gregg Popovich expressed frustration with the team's shooting. Here's a look at their shooting and scoring in wins and in losses this season:

FG% 3PT% PPG
Wins 49.6 43.2 102.9
Losses 42.5 32.0 90.2

Here's a look at how the Spurs' big three players have fared in wins this season:
Player FG% FT% PPG
Duncan 56.8 63.0 19.3
Ginobili 47.2 87.0 16.0
Parker 54.2 76.0 18.9

... and in losses:

Player FG% FT% PPG
Duncan 51.2 60.5 21.8
Ginobili 41.3 87.5 17.5
Parker 50.5 79.6 20.1

Russ
01-19-2007, 01:11 AM
This is all music to a Spurs fan's ears. Appropriate fear, no pain no gain -- in the long run, adversity is such a good and neccessary thing.

remingtonbo2001
01-19-2007, 01:17 AM
Look at the scoring...The Big 3 score have lower scoring averages in wins than in losses. Interesting.... This pretty much eludes to the fact that our bench production needs to step it up a notch. Another point to make from these numbers....We should be running more of our offense through Tim.

Tek_XX
01-19-2007, 01:27 AM
Our bench ain't getting it done and probably won't. The big three need relief off the bench. We're more effective when we don't have to rely on them for every basket.

Kori Ellis
01-19-2007, 01:28 AM
Look at the scoring...The Big 3 score have lower scoring averages in wins than in losses. Interesting.... This pretty much eludes to the fact that our bench production needs to step it up a notch. Another point to make from these numbers....We should be running more of our offense through Tim.

They probably play less minutes too.

gospursgooo
01-19-2007, 01:29 AM
I was surprised there's no mention about Finley in that article!

Kori Ellis
01-19-2007, 01:32 AM
The article doesn't really say much. I was hoping they would throw out some other names for trade possibilities.

remingtonbo2001
01-19-2007, 01:36 AM
They probably play less minutes too.
True, but that would conclude that the Spurs have built a sizable lead. From that we could assume that our bench was playing well.

MannyIsGod
01-19-2007, 01:42 AM
The sad thing is that you're going to get 60-70 pts from the big 3 each night. That means that the other 5-7 players in the roation need only score about 30 between themselves and they can't manage to do it. Thats really fucking sad.

SpursWillOwn
01-19-2007, 01:49 AM
from the numbers posted it definitely points the blame to the consistency of the bench players

ShoogarBear
01-19-2007, 02:03 AM
The sad thing is that you're going to get 60-70 pts from the big 3 each night. That means that the other 5-7 players in the roation need only score about 30 between themselves and they can't manage to do it. Thats really fucking sad.Of course, if they played better defense, this would be less of an issue.

MannyIsGod
01-19-2007, 02:06 AM
Well, the defense has picked up recently, but the offense has fallen way off. In LJs offense thread (the one where you said what you said about the Hornets) I mentioned that the main reason the offense was doing so well was Brent Barry. After the fall off of Barry's stats, we started completely sucking ass as we currently are.

Their defense has steadily improved as of late, but thats being overshadowed because their offense has taken a complete nose dive. Right now the problems are mainly due to piss poor offense and rebounding.

Dalamar_the_Dark
01-19-2007, 02:10 AM
Look at the scoring...The Big 3 score have lower scoring averages in wins than in losses. Interesting.... This pretty much eludes to the fact that our bench production needs to step it up a notch. Another point to make from these numbers....We should be running more of our offense through Tim.

Thats cause they are sitting out 4th quarters in those blowout wins and averaging just 25 mins

Solid D
01-19-2007, 02:37 AM
Thats cause they are sitting out 4th quarters in those blowout wins and averaging just 25 mins

Not quite but but close:*

in the 13 Losses
Duncan 35.8 Minutes
Parker 36.4 Minutes
Ginobili 30.8 Minutes

in the 27 Wins
Duncan 32.3 Minutes
Parker 31.5 Minutes
Ginobili 26.6 Minutes

*NOTE: Minutes in each game rounded up or down to nearest minute

Buddy Holly
01-19-2007, 02:38 AM
We need to trade for a scorer and rebounder (Maggette, or someone else) and start him putting Manu on the bench.

A move like that will balance the starter and bench scoring. Then in the fourth you can have him and the new start in together with Bowen on the bench.

Honestly, the Spurs are fooling themselves if they think they can win a title with the current cast of characters and the current lineups. I know it doesn't help that Elson has been injured but really, even with him it would be a tough task. A trade is needed.

fred33
01-19-2007, 02:49 AM
watch the number of gino on the loss 41 fg

AFE7FATMAN
01-19-2007, 03:14 AM
Maybe they wouldn't have so many concerns if one or more of these guys were on the bench?

JAVTOKAS
Will Conroy
Sanikidze
Alex Garcia
Noel
and God forbid
Sprewell

ace3g
01-19-2007, 03:20 AM
The article doesn't really say much. I was hoping they would throw out some other names for trade possibilities.


yeah I thought the article was going to mention trade possibilities as well

T Park
01-19-2007, 03:29 AM
Different day, similar article.


Too bad we dont have very very deep archives, and see how desperate it was in 02 03, or before then.

Phenomanul
01-19-2007, 09:13 AM
Maybe they wouldn't have so many concerns if one or more of these guys were on the bench?

JAVTOKAS
Will Conroy
Sanikidze
Alex Garcia
Noel
and God forbid
Sprewell

Where is that bum???

RogerIsEatingASandwich
01-19-2007, 09:17 AM
Where is that bum???

Probably working several different jobs so he can feed his family :downspin:

VaSpursFan
01-19-2007, 09:25 AM
nothing new in this article that we haven't discussed ad nauseum on the board. i like the fact that they realize that may be too reliant on the 3. maybe the team will now cut to the basket when timmy gets doubled and get the defense moving to create open shots. i really hate 4 down where everyone clears out and camps out by the 3 pt line to watch duncan take 15 seconds to make a move.

Aggie Hoopsfan
01-19-2007, 09:34 AM
Pretty worthless article. Same sound bites as after the Laker game, same apparent lack of motivation to fix things with a deal.

wildbill2u
01-19-2007, 03:20 PM
Look at the scoring...The Big 3 score have lower scoring averages in wins than in losses. Interesting.... This pretty much eludes to the fact that our bench production needs to step it up a notch. Another point to make from these numbers....We should be running more of our offense through Tim.
So the answer is: We're not scoring as much or as high a percentage in losses and that's why we're losing. Duh! :rolleyes
Ludden is good at picking up on the obvious.

Actually, against the Lakers the Big Three had very decent % and point production. If only Gino got more than a few shots, (sigh), but the rest of the team (including Bowen) was horrible except for Barry.

wildbill2u
01-19-2007, 03:24 PM
One thing the article missed was the extremely high number of turn-overs by the Big Three. Something like 15 of 19. That doesn't take into account the number of times our Big Fundament gets stuffed with a block from a less than Top 50 Players of All Time player. And nobody seems to roast them for it.

You can't win if you can't take care of the ball.

1Parker1
01-19-2007, 06:34 PM
Whatever happened to those "changes" Ludden mentioned after the Spurs last 3 game losing streak?

1) Play Parker more, Beno less. Or have Barry run the point. So far haven't seen it.

2) Decide between Barry or Finley, give one more consistent minutes to get in a groove. Sit the other one down. So far haven't seen it.

3) Trade. So far haven't seen it.

td4mvp21
01-19-2007, 07:02 PM
Whatever happened to those "changes" Ludden mentioned after the Spurs last 3 game losing streak?

1) Play Parker more, Beno less. Or have Barry run the point. So far haven't seen it.

2) Decide between Barry or Finley, give one more consistent minutes to get in a groove. Sit the other one down. So far haven't seen it.

3) Trade. So far haven't seen it.

You haven't figured it out yet? The Spurs are all talk. They know exactly what to say but have no fucking clue how to do what they say they are gonna do, apparently.