Wolves plan to unload Griffin

[ducks]

Minneapolis Star Tribune: "Owner Glen Taylor indicated after the Wolves' double-overtime loss to Detroit Friday night that Griffin had played his last game with the team. He said the 6-10 player's status would be resolved in the coming week, suggesting the Wolves would release or arrange a buyout with Griffin."

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs won't give this guy the time of day.

[SenorSpur]

Nor should they.

[leemajors]

wasted talent. dude can block shots.

[mavsfan1000]

The potential is there. The spurs might be the wake up call for Griffin.

[Slinkyman]

Isn't he the dude the crashed into some parked cars while jerkin' and drivin' going home after a game?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Weren't some people saying we should pursue this guy at one time??

[Slinkyman]

(CBS) MINNEAPOLIS On March 30, Minnesota Timberwolves center Eddie Griffin was drunk and masturbating when he crashed his luxury SUV into a parked Suburban outside a store in Minneapolis, according to a lawsuit filed Thursday by the man whose Suburban was hit in the crash.

WCCO-TV obtained copies of 911 calls and store surveillance video of the incident, along with an accident report the police submitted to the state, reports WCCO-TV's Caroline Lowe.

Several of the 911 callers that night said Griffin was drunk. One witness said Griffin told him he was watching pornography in a DVD player mounted on the dashboard of his Cadillac Escalade SUV when he struck a Chevy Suburban parked on University Avenue Southeast.

The location where Griffin crashed is located a couple miles from the Target Center where Griffin had played with his team several hours earlier.

Abed Hassuneh, who is the brother of the victim, said Griffin told him, "That he was masturbating himself going down that street. That's how the accident happened because he was not paying attention. He's paying attention to that video and all of a sudden he's shoveled somebody's car on the top of the sidewalk."

Interim Minneapolis Police Chief Tim Dolan ordered an internal affairs investigation of the conduct of the two officers who responded to the scene, after WCCO-TV made Dolan aware of allegations about the incident.

Key questions are why Griffin wasn't tested for alcohol and why the officers drove him out of the city to his home in St. Paul. Griffin also received tickets for not having a license and inattentive driving.

Griffin's damaged SUV was towed to the Minneapolis impound lot.

Dolan told WCCO-TV he expects impartial policing. Dolan also said officers must get permission to leave the city.

"Obviously, if somebody is drunk and they are driving we want that dealt with by the police officers of Minneapolis," Dolan said.

In the video, Griffin can be heard pleading with witnesses to not call police saying, "I can't go to jail."

The video also shows Griffin admitting he is drunk and doesn't have a driver's license.

The video shows him struggling for minutes to put on his sweatshirt and offering to buy a car for the man who's SUV he crashed into in front of Santana Foods.

Griffin was not available for comment. When he was interviewed by reporters after the crash happened, he said he had dropped his cell phone as he drove.

The two officers involved in the incident, Daniel Anderson and Matthew Lindquist, have been with the Minneapolis Police Department since October 2001. The officers remain on duty pending the outcome of the internal investigation.link (http://cbs13.com/topstories/topstories_story_180174619.html)

[wildbill2u]

Does anyone know what he did this week to make the owner react like that.? I think I remember when he was in Houston he had some marital problems with domestic violence involved and maybe a marijuana bust.

Other than that he was OK. :dizzy

Everyone always want the Spurs to pick up these players with problems because the Spurs 'can reform them."

Maybe he just needs the firm hand of Pop on his...er...career.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Does anyone know what he did this week to make the owner react like that.?

Maybe he shook hands with the owner after cruising around in his Cadillac.

[JMarkJohns]

Go SUNS Go!!!

This guy fits, excusing his life gaffs.

[MannyIsGod]

He's about to finish a suspension for violating the NBA's drug policy.

[spursreport]

We ought to sign this guy. People are being too damn picky about his past and his current issues. Sign him for the minimum and if he doesnt work then cut his ass. I would take him over almost every shitty old ass wing that we have and he can be had for very fucking cheap.

[mavsfan1000]

That and I'd like to see him succeed in the nba. He's been on subpar teams that have no chance of winning a title.

[baseline bum]

I still remember the day Vescey went on TNT and said the Spurs were going to trade David Robinson to the Wizards to get the #1 pick in the 2001 draft to select Eddie Griffen. :lmao

[spursreport]

Hell I would take Griffin over Oberto in a fucking heartbeat!

[MannyIsGod]

No thanks.

[T-Pain]

doesnt this guy have had a history of legal problems?

[Bob Lanier]

Beggars can't be choosers.

(And Eddie Griffin is a pretty good player. Certainly better than Fabfrisco Bonner, maybe better than Horry.)

[Kori Ellis]

What ever happened with that case with the person being shot at his girlfriend's house and all that?

[exstatic]

What ever happened with that case with the person being shot at his girlfriend's house and all that?
Yeah, I knew it was more than just herbal refreshments, and that weapons were involved. I think he has some mental instability issues. That, combined with money and weapons, is a BAD mix.

Eddie Griffin is just one in a long line of talented players that litter the shoulder of the NBA superhighway.

[wildbill2u]

Yeah, I knew it was more than just herbal refreshments, and that weapons were involved. I think he has some mental instability issues. That, combined with money and weapons, is a BAD mix.

Eddie Griffin is just one in a long line of talented players that litter the shoulder of the NBA superhighway.
Griffin was a lottery pick and has played brilliantly at times, capable (at one time) of piling up stats like 27 points, 10 rebounds and 5 blocks, but at the end he was the third PF off the bench of the Timberwolves.

Griffin was originally arrested in Houston for a domestic altercation including drug use. He pled it down to a misdeameanor with probation and agreed to counseling. Later he served 15 days in jail for a probation violation when he went to a strip club 'to pick up a friend" and the friend was involved in an altercation.

Sound familiar?

I expected Jax to get the same celebrity treatment for the gun deal in Indiana, but after being traded away, the DA and a jury might not have as much room in their hearts to protect "one of our Pacers." In fact, they might be out to get him. He might well be advised to take a voluntary seat in the slammer for a couple of weeks if he's offered that deal by the DA. That's what Griffin did to escape the ire of a judge and jury.

Griffin was a much better talent than Jax and he is on his way out of the league for a reason--multiple foul ups that show a pattern of anti-social behavior. I don't understand those threads about 'we can cure Jax of his antisocial behavior" and want him back.

[biba]

Posted on Wed, Nov. 29, 2006
Eddie Griffin mired in messes
His most recent brush with notoriety has further derailed an NBA career already torn and tattered.
By Pat Borzi For The Inquirer
MINNEAPOLIS - On a night of so many mistakes for Eddie Griffin, this was apparently one of the biggest. In the long run, it proved as damaging to Griffin's already questionable reputation as anything he has done in a basketball career dotted with off-the-court incidents and arrests.

It happened in the early morning of March 30, minutes after Griffin, the Roman Catholic High product and a reserve forward for the NBA's Minnesota Timberwolves, crashed his 2002 Cadillac Escalade into a parked car outside Santana Foods, a grocery store near the University of Minnesota campus.

Griffin persuaded a store patron named Nick Schlossmacher to cancel a 911 call to Minneapolis police. Griffin apparently didn't realize a Santana Foods employee also had called 911, though it took more than half an hour for a police cruiser to reach the scene.

During the time of the delay, the store's surveillance cameras recorded Griffin, a recovering alcoholic, saying he was drunk. The 6-foot-10 Griffin stood over Jamal Hassuneh, the owner of the damaged 2006 Chevy Suburban, and repeatedly offered to buy him a replacement vehicle in exchange for not involving police.

"Any car you want, except a Bentley," Griffin said at one point. "I'll buy it for you tomorrow. Whatever car you want, man. You can get a Hummer, Navigator, Escalade." Moments later, after again indicating he was impaired, Griffin said, "I can't go to jail."

Griffin didn't. And neither the NBA nor the Timberwolves took action against Griffin, who has twice been jailed before.

Invisible on the Timberwolves

But clearly the Timberwolves are out of patience with Griffin, especially after coach Dwane Casey fined him for reporting several hours late the first day of training camp. Griffin said he missed a flight from Houston, where his two children live and where many of his legal entanglements occurred.

Though Griffin came to camp 20 pounds lighter than last season and played well in the preseason - he grabbed 17 rebounds in one game and blocked five shots in another - Casey gave much of his playing time to veteran banger Mark Madsen and energetic rookie Craig Smith after the second game of the regular season.

In Minnesota's last 12 games Griffin has played 40 minutes total, with six Did Not Play-Coach's Decisions. He is averaging 2.3 points and 2.6 rebounds.

Even more telling, on Nov. 13 the Timberwolves released veteran Vin Baker, like Griffin an alcoholic attempting to stay sober.

Both trained last summer under the tutelage of John Lucas, the former NBA player and coach who works with players fighting drug and alcohol problems. Baker signed with Minnesota in part to be an unofficial counselor and sponsor for Griffin. Now, Griffin - whose team faces the Sixers at the Wachovia Center on Sunday - is on his own.

"All his free passes are up," Timberwolves vice president Kevin McHale said of Griffin. "I could give you names of people in our league who still have all their free passes in their pocket waiting to use them, and I could also give you a list of guys who don't have any more free passes. Eddie is one of those guys."

Excerpts from the surveillance tape made the rounds on the Internet almost from the moment Hassuneh's civil suit against Griffin was filed in late June. But the tape does not show two even more damaging comments Griffin is alleged to have made.

According to the suit, Hassuneh's brother Abed, who owns Santana Foods and helped Griffin from the wreck, said Griffin told him he was masturbating to a pornographic DVD when the crash occurred. In court documents, police confirmed they found DVD jackets in the front seat area for pornographic films and that the DVD player was running at the time of the crash.

The suit also claims Abed Hassuneh heard Griffin offer to pay off the two responding police officers if they would let him go.

In addition, transcripts and audio of 911 tapes made available to The Inquirer indicate at least two callers from the scene, Abed Hassuneh, and store employee Jeremy Wessing, told dispatchers Griffin was drunk.

"We've let the squads know that, too," one dispatcher told Wessing, according to the transcript.

Police misconduct?

Yet the accident report filed by officers Daniel S. Anderson and Matthew Lindquist does not indicate Griffin was given a Breathalyzer or field-sobriety test.

They ticketed Griffin only for inattentive driving and driving without a license, and drove him to his apartment in St. Paul. The tape shows one officer twice telling witnesses, "He's not getting a DWI." Both policemen remain under internal investigation for their actions that night, according to Minneapolis police spokesman Lt. Greg Reinhardt.

Complicating the investigation, which police said would be concluded within 30 days, is an incident that occurred Sept. 8. According to police, Anderson, while off-duty, ran his car into a chain-link fence at a suburban Minneapolis police station. Police said they found an open bottle of vodka near the driver's seat. Anderson blew a 0.20 on a Breathalyzer, more than twice the legal limit in Minnesota. On Sept. 20, he was charged with drunken driving.

Michael B. Padden, the attorney for Jamal Hassuneh, would not allow the Hassunehs to be interviewed for this article. Two other witnesses did not respond to interview requests from The Inquirer.

In a recent interview, Griffin would not comment about the suit or his conduct the night of the crash. Many alcoholics who have gone through recovery programs can pinpoint when they took their last drink. But when that question was put to Griffin, he avoided specifics.

"It was a while ago," he said with a laugh. "A long time ago."

This troubles John Lucas to a degree. In a telephone interview from Houston, the former 76ers coach said he does not know what happened with Griffin that night in March. But they talk frequently, and Lucas feels Griffin, whom he calls "one of my favorite children," has made progress in his recovery.

"I think he's admitted he cannot take a drink," Lucas said. "He's come a long way to get to that acceptance. I've been sober 20 years, and I don't know if I'm there. I'm sober today, but it is what it is."

As for what lies ahead for Griffin, Lucas said, "It's all up to Eddie and God."

Mixed success at Seton Hall

Griffin is one of those players who entices teams with his potential. A lanky forward with kangaroo-like legs and a knack for shot-blocking, Griffin was a lottery pick as a 19-year-old in 2001, despite a checkered past that included punching a Seton Hall teammate in the locker room after a game.

One of his Seton Hall teammates was 76ers center Samuel Dalembert.

"We would talk to each other and crack jokes, but he's always been a guy who liked to be by himself," Dalembert said of Griffin. "He is his own man. Andre Barrett and [Marcus] Toney-El were his friends. They were kind of close. But me, I always tried to keep him light in spirit and stuff like that, cracking jokes and making him laugh."

Dalembert hasn't talked with Griffin lately. "We lost contact. I never had a chance really to talk with him."

The Nets drafted Griffin and traded him that night to Houston, where he made more news off the court than on. He was convicted for marijuana possession and deadly conduct, the latter after punching a woman and firing a gun at her in 2003. He spent time at the Betty Ford Clinic for alcohol abuse, and at a Baylor University clinic for clinical depression.

Released by the Rockets and later the Nets, Griffin has seen his scoring average drop every year he has been in the NBA, from 8.8 points per game as a rookie to 4.6 last year. The knock on Griffin as a pro has been his maddening inconsistency. Griffin, 24, is in the second year of a three-year deal worth $8.1 million, and his youth is probably the biggest reason he is still around.

Minnesota's enigma

"Eddie's always had the potential to be something special," said Kevin Garnett, the former league MVP who calls Griffin a friend. "Eddie was the only person that ever stopped Eddie."

So Padden, the attorney, wonders if the Timberwolves are protecting Griffin.

"Our goal is not to kick the kid off the team," Padden said. "What's shocking is an NBA team treating it as if it didn't happen, as if it was fiction."

Timberwolves officials will not comment about the suit. But Griffin and the team appear to be acting as if Griffin needed help. Over the summer, Griffin returned to Lucas' training center in Houston.

"He helps me with a lot of stuff," Griffin said. "He's been like a father figure to me. We stay in touch, we talk at least two-three times a week, he makes sure I'm fine. With the drinking, he helped me get that under control. We had 6:30 in the morning workouts, stuff like that. He got me mentally and physically prepared to play."

For the first time, Griffin joined Garnett and other teammates for preseason workouts at the Target Center. Before training camp the Wolves signed Baker, a former all-star and Olympic gold medalist. Baker had his contract voided by the Celtics in February 2004 when he relapsed and violated his after-care program. The contract settlement reportedly cost Baker about $20 million of the $35 million he was due.

"I told Eddie when I came here, I was going to make myself available to him every single day if he wanted to call me," Baker said before his release. "Sometimes I'll call him. And it's not me checking for the team or checking for Coach Lucas. It's because I really care. I've been there. No one has walked those shoes like I walked those shoes. I don't want to see him go though what I had to go through in order to learn what recovery is all about."

Because Griffin is quiet and a loner, Baker said he usually approached Griffin. Though this is Griffin's third season with the Timberwolves, even the teammates closest to him say they don't know him very well.

"I think the reason he's a little distant is because he never really wanted to invest any time with anybody, and then he was moving on," said Garnett, whose locker is next to Griffin.

"His character is laid back. I'm not going to try and change him. When I need him to respond to something, I pull him to the side, get in his grille a little bit... . When we're laid back, we're laid back, and we're joking and I get him to talk a little bit. But he's the kind of guy that you have to initiate the conversation."

Stuck in a legal mess

Griffin was alone in his Escalade when it crashed into Hassuneh's Suburban about 2:20 a.m., after the Timberwolves played Orlando at the Target Center.

Jamal Hassuneh is suing Griffin for at least $50,000 in compensatory damages, as well as the officers and Minneapolis Police Chief Tom Dolan for violating his constitutional rights by not testing Griffin for impairment. In Griffin's last public comment about the case, he told the Minneapolis Star Tribune that Hassuneh asked for up to $250,000 to settle. Padden denies this, and accused Griffin of violating a confidentiality agreement about settlement negotiations.

McHale said he and Griffin spoke about the incident, and the need for Griffin to avoid any further trouble.

"Eddie's been through a lot of different stuff," McHale said. "I think from the outside looking in, a lot of people say: Look at Eddie Griffin, why is that trouble following him? But he's a really good-hearted person. He had some demons he had to overcome. And he's working really hard at trying to become a professional basketball player. I've seen a lot of positives and a lot of growth on Eddie.

"He just needs to get on one of these tracks where, for the next 10 years, all you hear about from Eddie Griffin is positive stuff. If you go two years, and all of a sudden have an episode that's negative, everything else gets brought up. He just needs to go the rest of his career without having his name associated with anything besides rebounds, points, blocked shots, team wins, defense, all those things he can bring to a team. That's what his name needs to be associated with."

Griffin has had several so-called last chances. He has acknowledged this actually may be the final one.

"I want to be a premier player in this league," Griffin said. "I want to be a starter. Everybody wants to be a starter. It's going to be tough because we've got Mark Blount," referring to the team's starting center.

"I know my time will come. I've just got to keep working on it."

To see some of the convenience store videotape, go to go.philly.

com/eddie_griffin.
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Just to read this story about Griffin is scary .
Great talent + Anti social behavior (too much of it).
It doesn't make a fit to the Spurs.

[Fillmoe]

eddie griffin for potato

[wildbill2u]

They keep getting passes on their conduct that ordinary folks wouldn't get. Finally the free passes and 'get out of jail free' cards add up to a ruined life and career.

[AFBlue]

NBAdraft.net profile has this kid's comparison as Tim Duncan and goes into detail about his "calm" demeanor on the court. How does this kid go from "Tim Duncan" to being almost out of the league in 4 or 5 years???

IMO he needs to get his personal life on track, then pursue basketball again....too bad someone will avoid his problems and pay him money once he's cut.

[ShoogarBear]

I still remember the day Vescey went on TNT and said the Spurs were going to trade David Robinson to the Wizards to get the #1 pick in the 2001 draft to select Eddie Griffen. :lmaoSounds like Vescey had been partying with Eddie.

[ChumpDumper]

Beggars can't be choosers. Eddie is the kind of player we need. I'd give him a chance.

One chance.

[exstatic]

Beggars can't be choosers. Eddie is the kind of player we need. I'd give him a chance.

One chance.
He's had three already. Houston, NJ for a cup of coffee, and Minnesota. Someone will foolishly give him a chance, but it won't be SA. His skillset is a fit, but he has a hornets nest of drug and personality problems.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey, if we're never going to use Eric Williams, what would it hurt?

Sign him for the minimum. If he screws up, he's gone. It would be worth the risk. I don't mind head cases much if we aren't paying them tens of millions of dollars.

[exstatic]

Hey, if we're never going to use Eric Williams, what would it hurt?

Sign him for the minimum. If he screws up, he's gone. It would be worth the risk. I don't mind head cases much if we aren't paying them tens of millions of dollars.
I think the worst thing that could happen to Eddie Griffin is playoff success. I think he needs to get his shit together by sitting out the rest of the year, and start fresh next year in someone's training camp. His situation seriously has the smell of Roy Tarpley.

[T Park]

Beggars can't be choosers. Eddie is the kind of player we need. I'd give him a chance.

One chance.




We need peanuthead cancers?

[ChumpDumper]

We need youth and athleticism in our frontcourt. If there is any chance of resurrecting a talented 24-year old's career, I would prefer the Spurs be the team to do it.

[Bob Lanier]

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/9868/peanuthead4jk.jpg
:lol

[exstatic]

We need youth and athleticism in our frontcourt. If there is any chance of resurrecting a talented 24-year old's career, I would prefer the Spurs be the team to do it.
Pop's not going to bring some majorly troubled kid in and plug him into a large role in the rotation, which would be the only way he could help. Shit, James White has NO troubles, and can't get into uniform.

[exstatic]

It is funny, isn't it, Lanier?
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

James White isn't that good, that's why he doesn't play.

I'm sure Pop doesnn't want to take on Eddie; I'm talking about what I would do. Obviously it's not up to me, but if you sign Eddie to a deal with a second-year option and he works out, all the sudden you're a fucking genius with a productive 25-year old athletic PF who can shoot the three and block shots. If he doesn't, it's going to be his fault and it only cost you a guy you weren't going to play anyway -- what's the downside?

[MannyIsGod]

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/9868/peanuthead4jk.jpg
:lol:lmao

[T Park]

I'm sure Pop doesnn't want to take on Eddie; I'm talking about what I would do. Obviously it's not up to me, but if you sign Eddie to a deal with a second-year option and he works out, all the sudden you're a fucking genius with a productive 25-year old athletic PF who can shoot the three and block shots. If he doesn't, it's going to be his fault and it only cost you a guy you weren't going to play anyway -- what's the downside?

Agreed, but the guy has serious problems and I don't think bringing him in, fixes right away, or even in time.

[T Park]

Stephen Jackson is easily controlled. Hes influenced by his surroundings.

Playing under Jermaine O'Neal and Ron Artest were his big downfalls.


Bring him back under the guidance of Pop and Duncan, and he flourishes like he did in 03.

[leemajors]

Stephen Jackson is easily controlled. Hes influenced by his surroundings.

Playing under Jermaine O'Neal and Ron Artest were his big downfalls.


Bring him back under the guidance of Pop and Duncan, and he flourishes like he did in 03.

anyone who went into the stands flailing and swinging like that is not easily controlled. he was the worst of the bunch, and i don't think it had anything to do with artest, and i don't know why you pulled j. o'neal into that. neither one of them was around when he started shooting into the air outside a strip club.

[ChumpDumper]

It's just odd to say it will definitely happen with Jack and that's worth a $30 million gamble over three and a half seasons and definitely won't with Griffin and that's not worth a $300,000 gamble over half a season.

[T Park]

Because Jackson is a proven playoff performer.

NOT Griffin.

[T Park]

he was the worst of the bunch, and i don't think it had anything to do with artest, and i don't know why you pulled j. o'neal into that

Because he was the captain of the team, ala a Tim Duncan.

His behaviour in Indy had alot to do with artest, O'Neal, and the horrible lack of discipline by Carlisle.

[BeerIsGood!]

It's just odd to say it will definitely happen with Jack and that's worth a $30 million gamble over three and a half seasons and definitely won't with Griffin and that's not worth a $300,000 gamble over half a season.

Exactly the way I see it. The Spurs are veteran to the point that a young kid coming in and messing up won't cause the team to split and fall apart. If the kid screws up, cut him. If he fills a role and succeeds, you have made a damn good decision. I don't see the downside here.

[BeerIsGood!]

Because Jackson is a proven playoff performer.

NOT Griffin.

When was Griffin on a winning team in the playoffs?

[exstatic]

It's just odd to say it will definitely happen with Jack and that's worth a $30 million gamble over three and a half seasons and definitely won't with Griffin and that's not worth a $300,000 gamble over half a season.
I highly doubt SA trades for Jack and takes on that salary. The only way I see him ever coming back is if he is bought out, and completely free from legal troubles after his Wild West escapade shoot'em'up.

[BeerIsGood!]

I highly doubt SA trades for Jack and takes on that salary. The only way I see him ever coming back is if he is bought out, and completely free from legal troubles after his Wild West escapade shoot'em'up.

I think he's using that argument to show why taking a chance on Griffin is a much better investment than taking a chance on SJax. That's the way I see it.

[ChumpDumper]

There just aren't alot of players with his skill set available for nothing in return

Buy low.

[exstatic]

I think he's using that argument to show why taking a chance on Griffin is a much better investment than taking a chance on SJax. That's the way I see it.
Yeah, except they're NEVER taking on that $30M, EVER, so the argument is a straw man. Jack would have to be bought out to come back here, and that would put the cost to the Spurs on par with the cost for Griffin.

[ChumpDumper]

Why is everyone thinking that Jack would be bought out?

Buyout candidates usually don't play 48 minutes in a game.

[BeerIsGood!]

Yeah, except they're NEVER taking on that $30M, EVER, so the argument is fallacious. He would have to be bought out to come back here, and that would put the cost to the Spurs on par with the cost for Griffin.

I agree. TPark is advocating bringing back SJax while at the same time scoffing at bringing in Griffin for next to nothing.

I say bring in Griffin and let him know this is his chance to play for a contender and contribute. If he does - he more than likely scores something in free agency. If he doesn't - he's done. I'd say - you're 25 and more than likely blowing money like Mike Tyson. Do you want to feed your kids playing basketball or busting your ass working construction on a highway somewhere?

[exstatic]

Why is everyone thinking that Jack would be bought out?

Buyout candidates usually don't play 48 minutes in a game.
There was some early word that he might be, to lighten their logjam at the wing spots. If he isn't, any talk of him here is moot.

[ChumpDumper]

They have two wings that make the minimum and one on a ten-day contract. Cutting one of them makes more sense than paying Jack $30 million to not play for them.

[MannyIsGod]

The Jack buyout talk is nothing more than a pipedream. Everything the Warriors have done and said so far indicates they want to keep him. Some analyst on TV or Radio said they might buy him out, but these are the same people that said Pop had lots of confidence in Beno.

I don't like Griffin one bit. Not one little bit. But if the Spurs want to gamble with a minimum contract, then I can't blame them. I just doubt they will.

[ChumpDumper]

The Jack buyout talk is nothing more than a pipedream. Everything the Warriors have done and said so far indicates they want to keep him. Some analyst on TV or Radio said they might buy him out, but these are the same people that said Pop had lots of confidence in Beno.Right. Remember who coaches this team. Does anyone think Nellie is going to start giving big minutes to Adonal Foyle or Patrick O'Bryant because they have a C by their names on the roster?

Small ball lives again.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Heh, first time I've heard this guys name in months. Which reminds me, what ever happend with that whole car accident while whacking it to a adult video on his in-dash dvd player thing?