This looks all too familiar

[Fillmoe]

You guys might not agree with me because I was the same way back then, but y'all remind me of the Kings from 2 years ago before Webber was traded. A good team with a good record that just doesn't have what they used to. That fire that intensity that sparked fear into other teams. Before, y'all could get away with your weaknesses because you guys were that damn good. Now you guys can't because you have an aging star that just isn't what he used to be. There still some pieces to compete and make a strong playoff run but not enough pieces to actually beat the stronger teams like Phoenix, Dallas etc etc. I think the best thing for you guys to do would be to add a 4th option, preferably a SF, that can rebound and play D and doesn't demand the ball on offense too much. With all that said I think San Antonio has enough veteran players to go deep into the playoffs if they play to their full potential and their role players actually show up.

[Kori Ellis]

Now you guys can't because you have an aging star that just isn't what he used to be.

Probably not a good day to bring this take, seeing as he just went for 37.

[Leetonidas]

Probably not a good day to bring this take, seeing as he just went for 37.
I agree. Tim just went for 37, 10, and 4. He has plenty in the tank.

[Fillmoe]

Probably not a good day to bring this take, seeing as he just went for 37.


He might have just went for 37 but what I speak is the truth..... He just ain't what he used to be..... And if you will let one game blind you than so be it......

[SequNets]

Duncan was awesome tonight... WTF?

[Marcus Bryant]

The problem isn't the star, it's the supporting cast. Stick to the blow, 'moe.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Duncan cannot make a bank shot to save his life and it used to be automatic

[1Parker1]

Probably not a good day to bring this take, seeing as he just went for 37.


:lol Not to mention he even hit his FT's above his season average.

[Leetonidas]

Duncan cannot make a bank shot to save his life and it used to be automatic
I believe he missed 2 and made 2.

[Fillmoe]

Can you guys as fans honestly say Tim Duncan is the same Tim Duncan from the early 2000s?

[Extra Stout]

He might have just went for 37 but what I speak is the truth..... He just ain't what he used to be..... And if you will let one game blind you than so be it......
Tim Duncan is not the problem with the Spurs. The problem is that outside of Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili, their team consists of:

Brent Barry: aging and running on fumes
Bruce Bowen: over the hill and ineffective
Robert Horry: over the hill and ineffective
Michael Finley: over the hill and useless
Fabricio Oberto: the 12th man on most NBA teams
Francisco Elson: the 12th man on most NBA teams
Beno Udrih: NBDL fodder
Jacque Vaughn: NBDL fodder
Matt Bonner: former bench scrub for the deep-lottery Raptors
Eric Williams: effectively already all-but-retired

[Extra Stout]

Can you guys as fans honestly say Tim Duncan is the same Tim Duncan from the early 2000s?
He is not at his peak, but he is still in his prime.

Two years ago, the Spurs won the title with Duncan playing on two sprained ankles.

He is not the problem.

[Marcus Bryant]

He is not at his peak, but he is still in his prime.

Two years ago, the Spurs won the title with Duncan playing on two sprained ankles.

He is not the problem.


Shit, did Red buy the team back?

[E20]

Tim Duncan is not the problem with the Spurs. The problem is that outside of Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili, their team consists of:

Brent Barry: aging and running on fumes
Bruce Bowen: over the hill and ineffective
Robert Horry: over the hill and ineffective
Michael Finley: over the hill and useless
Fabricio Oberto: the 12th man on most NBA teams
Francisco Elson: the 12th man on most NBA teams
Beno Udrih: NBDL fodder
Jacque Vaughn: NBDL fodder
Matt Bonner: former bench scrub for the deep-lottery Raptors
Eric Williams: effectively already all-but-retired
:tu

[SsKSpurs21]

three words can solve our problems: consistent scoring threat!

what kills us are the 4-5 minute scoring droughts...after that we have to fight our way back, or we create a huge lead, then hit that scoring drought and back comes the opponent.

[Fillmoe]

True the supporting cast is bad but you guys can no longer go to Tim Duncan down on the block at the end of games to keep leads or regain leads. I remember he used to work the glass like a crack fiend back then. Don't get me wrong hes still a good player but hes lost a step and doesn't demand that double team that he once did in his career. If he had a better supporting cast he could get away with some of that and you are true in that form but regardless hes lost a step and it shows.

[Extra Stout]

True the supporting cast is bad but you guys can no longer go to Tim Duncan down on the block at the end of games to keep leads or regain leads. I remember he used to work the glass like a crack fiend back then. Don't get me wrong hes still a good player but hes lost a step and doesn't demand that double team that he once did in his career. If he had a better supporting cast he could get away with some of that and you are true in that form but regardless hes lost a step and it shows.
You are right that Duncan is not the player he was in the 2001-02 and 2002-03 seasons.

He has not been that guy for a while now.

Parker is a significantly better player than he was two or three years ago. Ginobili is about the same.

The sum of the Spurs' stars is close to a wash.

The difference is that their fourth-best player is teetering on the brink, and players 5-12 are utter garbage.

[cheguevara]

He might have just went for 37 but what I speak is the truth..... He just ain't what he used to be..... And if you will let one game blind you than so be it......

you idiot. watch a fucking game. DUncan is playing great, it's the fucking rest of the team especially our bench + Pop that fuck things up.

[Fillmoe]

well than answer this..... whats the difference between this spurs squad and the 2005 spurs championship squad? are you telling me that devin brown and nazr mohammed are that damn good?

[Fillmoe]

you idiot. watch a fucking game. DUncan is playing great, it's the fucking rest of the team especially our bench + Pop that fuck things up.


oh the same pop that won you guys 3 championships? yah, im sure thats the problem..... did the spurs even know what a championship was before pop arrived?

[Marcus Bryant]

Devin Brown beat out Brent Barry in the rotation that year before his back was f'ed up.

[Extra Stout]

well than answer this..... whats the difference between this spurs squad and the 2005 spurs championship squad? are you telling me that devin brown and nazr mohammed are that damn good?
The difference between the 2004-05 Spurs and the current team is that players like Robert Horry and Bruce Bowen still had something left in the tank back then.

Do you remember how Robert Horry won Game 5 against Detroit essentially by himself in the fourth quarter and overtime?

Those days are over.

[cheguevara]

oh the same pop that won you guys 3 championships? yah, im sure thats the problem..... did the spurs even know what a championship was before pop arrived?

The first time we had Dave + Tim = easy for Pop
the second we just were a great team, deepest in the NBA, + Tim = easy for Pop
the third time, we still had decent bench + Manu was Jordan + Tim = easy for Pop

now we just have Tim, and Pop sucks

[Fillmoe]

nothing is easy...... ask rick adelman when gerald wallace was our 12th man.... never take shit for granted........

[Extra Stout]

The first time we had Dave + Tim = easy for Pop
the second we just were a great team, deepest in the NBA, + Tim = easy for Pop
the third time, we still had decent bench + Manu was Jordan + Tim = easy for Pop

now we just have Tim, and Pop sucks
You are going to have to sedate yourself heavily the day Pop gets inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame.

[ShoogarBear]

Tim Duncan is not the problem with the Spurs. The problem is that outside of Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili, their team consists of:

Brent Barry: aging and running on fumes
Bruce Bowen: over the hill and ineffective
Robert Horry: over the hill and ineffective
Michael Finley: over the hill and useless
Fabricio Oberto: the 12th man on most NBA teams
Francisco Elson: the 12th man on most NBA teams
Beno Udrih: NBDL fodder
Jacque Vaughn: NBDL fodder
Matt Bonner: former bench scrub for the deep-lottery Raptors
Eric Williams: effectively already all-but-retiredA bit harsh. I would modify the following:

Barry: occasionally effective but unreliable in the playoffs
Bowen: aging but always limited (he wasn't the problem tonight)
Horry: over the hill and rolling the dice that he's got a big playoff series left in him

But 2008 is going to be :greedy :greedy :greedy!!

[Marcus Bryant]

A bit harsh. I would modify the following:

Barry: occasionally effective but unreliable in the playoffs
Bowen: aging but always limited (he wasn't the problem tonight)
Horry: over the hill and rolling the dice that he's got a big playoff series left in him

Spurs need a better rebounding bigman with a J and then the athletic 3 with a decent scoring touch and some rebounding as well. What Troy Murphy and Jack could do for this team...

[ShoogarBear]

What Troy Murphy and Jack could do for this team...They would really inflate that 2008 payroll, that's what they would do! :madrun

[phyzik]

Does anyone else besides me find it Funny that a kings fan is trying to grab at something to try and compare the Spurs to the Kings, most likely to make himself feel better about his "over-used toilet-paper" team?

I will have no problem admiting the Spurs are done when they are done.... Third in the leage? go jack off to Mike Bibby retard.

[johnpaulwall21]

whats da deal in 08 how much money would we have to spend

[Marcus Bryant]

whats da deal in 08 how much money would we have to spend

Probably about $30 mil after TD leaves. Unless Holt decides to go Marlin style.

[Extra Stout]

whats da deal in 08 how much money would we have to spend
With payroll minimized, upon selling the team in 2008, Peter Holt will have about $280 million to $300 million in profits to spend.

[Fillmoe]

Does anyone else besides me find it Funny that a kings fan is trying to grab at something to try and compare the Spurs to the Kings, most likely to make himself feel better about his "over-used toilet-paper" team?


truth hurts..... and i should use this quote as evidence of your shattered feelings but that ain't me........


my team sucks.... THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS! and if i wanted to make myself feel better i wouldnt compare the kings to the spurs..... next time stick to the topic or dont post.....















THANK YOU COME AGAIN!

[phyzik]

truth hurts..... and i should use this quote as evidence of your shattered feelings but that ain't me........


my team sucks.... THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS! and if i wanted to make myself feel better i wouldnt compare the kings to the spurs..... next time stick to the topic or dont post..... THANK YOU COME AGAIN!



Ummm... CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!!!

Since when does THIRD IN THE FUCKING LEAGE, NOT THE WEST OR EAST, THE FUCKING LEAGE equate to sucking?

please fucking enlighten me because Im in the need for some jokes. I dare someone to say Phoenix is NOT oever-achieving, hell even Dallas at this point...

All it takes is a look back to last seasons Pistons... what happened to their regular season ownage?

[Fillmoe]

mr 3rd in the "leage"..... holla at me when you hit that first round exit so i can remind you who let you know first!

[phyzik]

mr 3rd in the "leage"..... holla at me when you hit that first round exit so i can remind you who let you know first!

You do that, I'll be here when that huge major fucking "IF" happens. What happens if Dallas and Phoenix get bounced in the first?

[Fillmoe]

You do that, I'll be here when that huge major fucking "IF" happens. What happens if Dallas and Phoenix get bounced in the first?

what happens if your father wore a condom?

[phyzik]

what happens if your father wore a condom?

Nevermind, your obviously here to start shit (perfect timing after a Spurs loss not to be), no point to further the discussion. Time to let this sorry post drop off the first page.

[Fillmoe]

you killed the thread when you took aim at me instead of what i said..... and i was never here to start shit until you started spouting off

[phyzik]

you killed the thread when you took aim at me instead of what i said..... and i was never here to start shit until you started spouting off


Honestly, your right, I read pretty much the first line and assumed things... I've been drinking and Im sorry if I got a little heated. I have no problem admitting when I fucked up, and I did... quite badly. :oops

Let me try again...

Duncan is not done by any means... especially after tonights performance. You cannot honestly claim Duncan isnt what he was after his performance tonight... the Loss was from the others on the court.

I dont know if another SF is the answer, I believe its more about complacency with this team at this point... hopefully its just "playing possum" but thats probably just wishful thinking. Sure there are some age problems with Finley, Horry and Bowen and a sorry backup with Beno but I think things can and will turn around.

Everyone historically questions this team before the rodeo road trip, I will wait to see how that goes, and go even further to when the playoffs start, before I start to judge them as a 1 or 2 and done team in the playoffs.

[Fillmoe]

Honestly, your right, I read pretty much the first line and assumed things... I've been drinking and Im sorry if I got a little heated. I have no problem admitting when I fucked up, and I did... quite badly. :oops

Let me try again...

Duncan is not done by any means... especially after tonights performance. You cannot honestly claim Duncan isnt what he was after his performance tonight... the Loss was from the others on the court.

I dont know if another SF is the answer, I believe its more about complacency with this team at this point... hopefully its just "playing possum" but thats probably just wishful thinking. Sure there are some age problems with Finley, Horry and Bowen and a sorry backup with Beno but I think things can and will turn around.

Everyone historically questions this team before the rodeo road trip, I will wait to see how that goes, and go even further to when the playoffs start, before I start to judge them as a 1 or 2 and done team in the playoffs.

its all good fam.... no hard feelings. but i never said duncan was "done". i said he was aging and not what he used to be. to me it shows clearly.... no doubt he came to play tonight though. with a couple more pieces the spurs will be back in it.... until that gets done i dont see them doing to much in the playoffs

[phxspurfan]

compare us to the kings and you show you know nothing about this team..


what we have done is overcorrected from the .3 year where we had no shooters and no offense at all. now we have all offense/shooters and no defense whatsoever. id take the former in a heartbeat

[Fillmoe]

compare us to the kings and you show you know nothing about this team..


what we have done is overcorrected from the .3 year where we had no shooters and no offense at all. now we have all offense/shooters and no defense whatsoever. id take the former in a heartbeat


did you even read anything at all?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Barry: occasionally effective but unreliable in the playoffs

Barry saved your series against the Kings last year. I hate the man.

[SoCal Lakeshow]

As much as I hate to agree with Fillmoe he is right. Duncan is not the same player and it is obvious. He can still dominate as he showed tonight, but those games are not as often. He is not the threat that he once was. You can still win a championship with him, but he needs help bad. Oberto and Elson won't cut it.

[MmP]

Most of Spurs fans are so pissed at his players that they say shit to one humble King's Fan who came with good intentions and willing to have a nice talk.

Calm down people!

[Manu_The _Best]

Tim Duncan is not the problem with the Spurs.


The problem is that outside of Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili, their team consists of:

Brent Barry: aging and running on fumes

Disagree - Barry is still GREAT!!!

Bruce Bowen: over the hill and ineffective
Agree
Robert Horry: over the hill and ineffective
Agree
Michael Finley: over the hill and useless
Agree GET HIM OUT!!!
Fabricio Oberto: the 12th man on most NBA teams
YES
Francisco Elson: the 12th man on most NBA teams
YES
Beno Udrih: NBDL fodder
YES
Jacque Vaughn: NBDL fodder
YES
Matt Bonner: former bench scrub for the deep-lottery Raptors
Agree, too sluggish -LOST his 3-pt shot as well since he got here
Eric Williams: effectively already all-but-retired
Agree - get him OUT as well...

So, the Spurs HAVE NO ROSTER as it appears!!! OLD DONKEYS :donkey :donkey :donkey :donkey :donkey :donkey :donkey :donkey :donkey :donkey :donkey :donkey :donkey