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[Nbadan]

Damn, how many Indians can USAA displace American workers with?


WASHINGTON: President Bush on Wednesday invoked the young Indian scientist to call for a hike in the H1-B visa programme which allows skilled foreign workers to come to the United States.

In a speech on energy issues before workers and executives at a Dupont facility in Delaware, Bush pressed for both free trade and freer movement of skilled professionals, saying they could help meet America’s energy challenges, and summoned the Indian example in both cases.

"We've got to expand what's called H1B visas...I feel strongly about what I'm telling you. It makes no sense to say to a young scientist from India, you can't come to America to help this company develop technologies that help us deal with our problems," Bush told the Dupont gathering.

The H1-B visa program is currently capped at 65,000 and efforts are on to expand it to 115,000 to meet what high-tech industry executives say is a worrisome shortage of high skilled people. A bill to this effect was rejected in the last Congress but it is expected to be introduced again in the 110th Congress.

Times Of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Bush_wants_more_young_Indian_minds_in_United_State s/articleshow/1461553.cms)

Opponents of the program say there is no shortage of high-tech workers and inviting more foreign workers just displaces American workers and drives down salaries in a vital industry that already lacks enough American workers because of low salaries brought about by programs like H1-b. A cycle that spins downward.

[Extra Stout]

Damn, how many Indians can USAA displace American workers with?



Times Of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Bush_wants_more_young_Indian_minds_in_United_State s/articleshow/1461553.cms)

Opponents of the program say there is no shortage of high-tech workers and inviting more foreign workers just displaces American workers and drives down salaries in a vital industry that already lacks enough American workers because of low salaries brought about by programs like H1-b. A cycle that spins downward.
Oh, good golly yes, there is a shortage of high-tech American workers.

And getting the Indians over here gets tougher and tougher, because with the Asian economy growing, talented Indian professionals can find good-paying jobs without moving halfway around the world.

The United States does not produce anywhere near the technical professionals it needs to compete long-term. Eventually, it just means our economic growth will be stunted.

[Nbadan]

Oh, good golly yes, there is a shortage of high-tech American workers.

And getting the Indians over here gets tougher and tougher, because with the Asian economy growing, talented Indian professionals can find good-paying jobs without moving halfway around the world.

The United States does not produce anywhere near the technical professionals it needs to compete long-term. Eventually, it just means our economic growth will be stunted.

there's a shortage of american high-tech workers because everyone has moved onto other things. You can't compete with someone who is willing to work for less than $10 an hour. You just can't make it. And if your thinking that it can't happen in other industries think again. It would have already happened had it not been for unions.

[Nbadan]

I'm not against companies hiring foreign workers, but pay them a competitive salary so that you don't destroy American workers.

[Nbadan]

Meanwhile...


Bangalore, Jan 25: Microsoft Corporation India Pvt Ltd said it will open offices in six more cities as part of efforts to strengthen presence in India.

This would take its presence to 13 cities. The expansion plan will include setting up a direct sales infrastructure, broadening partner eco system and market education initiatives and programmes, a company statement said.

"With an enhanced presence Microsoft will enable the small and mid-market organisations to easily access a comprehensive portfolio of its products and services, faster deployment of customised solutions and increased support from both Microsoft and its partners," it said.

The cities where offices are in the process of being opened are Ahmedabad, Indore, Nagpur, Chandigarh, Kochi and Coimbatore

Zee News (http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=349965&ssid=54&sid=BUS)

The New MS center slated for westover hills is supposed to hire less than 100 workers, many of which probably won't be hired locally. Mainly it's a property tax generator for the state, county, city, and schools districts that will drive utility costs up for CPS customers.

[Extra Stout]

there's a shortage of american high-tech workers because everyone has moved onto other things. You can't compete with someone who is willing to work for less than $10 an hour. You just can't make it. And if your thinking that it can't happen in other industries think again. It would have already happened had it not been for unions.
In my particular technical field, salaries are skyrocketing, because the people just aren't out there.

[Extra Stout]

In India, MIT is a fallback school for students who can't get into a "real" university.

There is a huge talent gap.

[1369]

Funny, I read an article a few months ago (can't remember where though) about the large influx of young US technical type expats in India.

[Nbadan]

In my particular technical field, salaries are skyrocketing, because the people just aren't out there.

You must have high barriers to entry.

[boutons_]

This is not dubya being for foreign engineers to "deal with our problems".

It's just dubya being corp-friendly. The corps want cheap labor so dubya wants what his owners the corps want.

The corps know these single Indian/Asian engineers (many already trained at US universities) work like dogs, work for low pay, are grateful for the job, easy to manage, live 3 or 4 to an appt or house, and are not distracted by family, hobbies, and other human stuff than US engineers want.

The corps are just following the logic of capitalism, replacing expensive inputs with cheaper inputs to increase their profits. The corps have NO allegiance to anything but profits and to enriching their top management.

The tech site CNET covers the H-1B visa issue, which is comples, pretty thoroughly, eg:

http://news.com.com/Survey+Software+companies+increasing+offshoring+wo rk/2100-1022_3-6149703.html

http://news.com.com/High-tech+jobs+recovery+Dont+believe+the+hype/2010-1022_3-6096730.html

http://news.com.com/Some+H-1B+workers+underpaid%2C+federal+auditors+say/2100-1022_3-6087367.html

http://news.com.com/H-1B+visas+hit+roadblock+in+Congress/2100-1022_3-6056167.html

[Extra Stout]

You must have high barriers to entry.
The barriers to entry are our pitiful anti-intellectual entitlement culture, and our education system which has sucked for about 40 years.

[01Snake]

So companies should continue to overpay someone just because they are American? If a more qulaified person from India is available at a lower price, why not hire him?

[Nbadan]

In India, MIT is a fallback school for students who can't get into a "real" university.

There is a huge talent gap.

I'm all for hiring the best qualified worker, but pay them competitive salaries, not table scrapes.

What if all these high-tech workers someday decide that the then worth-less dollar is no longer worth chasing? Then where will we be? This is an industry that needs to be protected, not completely out-sourced.

[Extra Stout]

I'm all for hiring the best qualified worker, but pay them competitive salaries, not table scrapes.

What if all these high-tech workers someday decide that the then worth-less dollar is no longer worth chasing? Then where will we be? This is an industry that needs to be protected, not completely out-sourced.
Once the dollar is devalued, the United States will not be able to import professionals, and will have to depend upon the home-grown talent.

[Nbadan]

The barriers to entry are our pitiful anti-intellectual entitlement culture, and our education system which has sucked for about 40 years.

We have the best upper-level education system in the world.

[Nbadan]

Once the dollar is devalued, the United States will not be able to import professionals, and will have to depend upon the home-grown talent.

It maybe too late.

[Extra Stout]

We have the best upper-level education system in the world.
Our primary education system sucks.

[Extra Stout]

It maybe too late.
At this point, the crash cannot be averted.

[Nbadan]

Our primary education system sucks.

No, our elementary schools do a remarkable job, as good or better than the best private schools, it's the secondary and High school systems that suck. So, let's change them.

[01Snake]

No, our elementary schools do a remarkable job, as good or better than the best private schools, it's the secondary and High school systems that suck. So, let's change them.

It's not just the schools, some of the kids today are simply idiots.
:lol

[Nbadan]

At this point, the crash cannot be averted.

You know, the U.S. is the world's largest economic generator, without that continued in-flow of capital, and profits, it's unlikely that even Indian sweat-shops can make it, much less prosper. What then? Indentured servents?

[Fillmoe]

Indian people are just smarter than you racist ass crackers. Just face it. :lol

[Nbadan]

It's not just the schools, some of the kids today are simply idiots.
:lol

Life is about choices. These kids have chosen their own path.

Maybe, being beaten down by 'the man' will eventually encourage them to educate.

[Nbadan]

Indian people are just smarter than you racist ass crackers. Just face it. :lol

who's a racist?

[Bob Lanier]

So companies should continue to overpay someone just because they are American? If a more qulaified person from India is available at a lower price, why not hire him?
:tu

[Extra Stout]

You know, the U.S. is the world's largest economic generator, without that continued in-flow of capital, and profits, it's unlikely that even Indian sweat-shops can make it, much less prosper. What then? Indentured servents?
As mentioned in one of these other threads, the U.S. economy largely is a credit bubble. Eventually, economies like India will have other options besides feeding the bubble to prop up their export markets.

It is at that point that the bubble will pop.

[Extra Stout]

Life is about choices. These kids have chosen their own path.

Maybe, being beaten down by 'the man' will eventually encourage them to educate.
That gets back to the cultural problem. Yes, we have freedom. With that freedom comes the cold accountability of reality.